folks, i really am seeing a lot of negativity from many folks here about so many aspects of the last few episodes of the last season.
some folks are upset about dave being angry enough to crash maddie's car. then the fuss about them disliking each other so much at the end. hating the david had his fling with annie, .......
it just seems that you guys want the characters to end up the way you wanted them to. think about the relations you have been in or have been close to. things went haywire and people get so angered they do lose it. they do dislike each other, or more. and as for one having a fling, it happens, and it happens with people close to the other to "get back" at the other person, just as dave did with annie. the writers gave them our problems and actions of real life situations here.
about annie, people seems to hate her. yes, she and dave did wrong, but she did go back to her husband. maddie did hate dave and annie both for what they did. NOT ONLY because she loved them both and felt betrayed by both, but what they were doing was morally wrong in her eyes.
i feel this is good storytelling and deserves applause instead of what it gets.
i don't know what the plans were for the characters had the show continued, but i feel (and could be way off here) that given time, they could have worked back to each other and then everybody would be happy. we would have seen the complete cycle of their relationship, instead of a rushed finish. but when the canelation ax falls, it falls quickly. maybe that could have happened, i don't know.
there are plenty of episodes i didn't care for. but the whole subplot, that became the main plot about their love is what made this story so excellent for the pilot of charcter introductions all through the entire series to the last episode. again, i call that great storytelling.

I'm not sure I can agree with you Bry! I agree that you can't expect David and Maddie to just be the same as they were before they had gone through the loss of their baby and all that. However, the late 4th season and early 5th season episodes still show some kind of closeness between them. It's different, but they do seem close and seem to be heading for something. Even if its friendship or being pals... Then suddenly, the Annie story arrives (I don't hate the Annie character, honestly!) - and David inexplicably becomes bitter towards Maddie, and even worse, incredibly uncaring, they aren't even pals anymore.

So, ok, I didn't like that storyline, but the worst thing to me is that Lunar Eclipse is just obviously rushed and badly put together. There is no sense of closure whatsoever, and I can see why people felt completely cheated. The writers often seem to forget whole bits of story which they never pick up on (like David & Maddie going to Paris, which is never mentioned again - did they go?). I guess it lacks Glenn Gordon Caron's overseeing eye which ensured more consistency before then...

Just my thoughts!

Mul

Maddie was torn between David and Sam. She knew what she thought was best for her but in her heart, she wanted David. We felt her pain.

David showed none of the same feelings. He wasn't torn at all between Annie and Maddie. That was the most hurtful of all to me. It was as if Maddie had never existed. I hated the character of David throughout most of the last episodes. The bedroom scene was the most crappiest-hurtful-out of character scene in Moonlighting IMO.

I did like the dance between David and Maddie in WGC.
In Eine Kleine, I liked the Chinese food scene, especially when Maddie lands on David and he shakes his body back and forth with her on top of him. I also like the scene when Maddie is in her blue jammies -- there was a real feeling of closeness between them -- the kiss on the cheek was sweet, and they exchanged the "look" that gave me the good kind of chills.
I liked nothing in Lunar Eclipse except the montage. The wedding scenes were ridiculous and painful to watch.

BUT on this site, we can agree or disagree. It's all good. That's why I like this site so much.

I think our disappointment is with how a once brilliant and clever show centered around a romance between two people that were fully developed characters that we cared a great deal about swerved off course in the fifth season and become very different from what we knew to be the characters and the show. This seems to be directly related to Glenn Caron leaving the series...which makes sense since he was the creator.

Yep, when you're right, your right, Kismet, that's the beauty of this place - we can disagree or agree, it's all good! :wave:

I have little bits of season 5 that I love as well, it just wasn't the same after GGC left.

I think Cindy sums it up really well to be honest. :)

Mul

I prefer the earlier episodes before things got so deep and meaningful anyway. I found some of the end episodes almost stressful to watch! I agree with Mul - the worst thing about Lunar Eclipse was how rushed it was. I'm sure that the writers' intention was to bring Maddie and David back together again, eventually, but the cancellation of the series resulted in some swift wrapping up. It's just an unfortunate shame. I'm sure it was no body's first choice.

What we need now, is a Moonlighting movie, to tie up all those loose ends properly! Could you imagine how amazing that would be?!

Love Gem

OK, let´s see... I think we've already talked about this some other time... I'll let you know what I think about all this...

First of all, bry, it just seems that you guys want the characters to end up the way you wanted them to mmmm absolutely yes! Of course I do! It happens the same with Rhett and Scarlet! I wanted them to end up together and it drives me mad every time I see the da*n movie and they just walk away from each other! I ABSOLUTELY wanted Dave and Maddie together, I loved them when they were yelling at each other or when they were angry, but because I knew that sooner or later they were going to be together, it just couldn't be in any other way, because you feel the just LOVE each other, you know they totally do... So... It's very sad not seeing them together in the end... the writers gave them our problems and actions of real life situations here. And, of course that en real life that stuff you mention happens everyday, but hey! This was a TV show, meant for entertaining us... And why wouldn't it be more romantic? I already have real life to see relationships broken... I just wanted to see THEM together! And remember al those chases? Were they "real"? I mean, they were extremely funny! You could be laughing for so long... But then, they were'nt "real", so, if they were trying to write a comedy based in real situations of real life... mmmm I dont't think they managed it quite well :rolleyes:

i don't know what the plans were for the characters had the show continued, but i feel (and could be way off here) that given time, they could have worked back to each other and then everybody would be happywe would have seen the complete cycle of their relationship, instead of a rushed finish I'm with you on this one! With time... I'm sure they would have come back together! Because... they just can't live without each other... They ended up together, at least in my way of looking at things... It was just a period, but later on... they sure are together! At least in my imagination :D

About the last ep... Mmmm... I think Caron would have prefer a "happy ending" to... Maybe the new writers were trying to say "hey, we can be as original as Glenn was... Let's show them what we can do and give them an incredulous and surprising ending"??? LOL just a thought :lol:

Agree that we can all agree or disagree here! :D :D :D

Love,
Carina.

i just thought it was a good episode. i'm just surprised no one else seems to think so.
a movie??? maybe then we will see what happened with the ensalmo (? spelling) case. :lol:

A Moonlighting reunion movie would be so GREAT, but we shall see if the two stars would be even interested. Well, at least Bruce, because I've heard that Cybill is. It's just a shame when stars forget their roots, because we all know that Moonlighting is where Bruce got his start. Without that, who knows where he would be now.

much as I love all the fan fiction I still say no to a movie. Could they recapture the magic? Would enough people want to watch to make it a worthwhile project? Would a studio be brave enough to cast Bruce with an "older" woman than usual? And many more questions that I am too tired to type.

It was a horrible edning but I am still happy with the thought of the DVDs, my imagination, fan finction and this board :D

About the older woman part.

Moonlighting was a show that experimented with a lot of different things, why not continue?
I loved "Something's Gotta Give" with Jack Nickolson and Diane Keaton. Also an older woman (okay, Jack is a bit older than Diane), but anyway...ehm, forgot what I was heading to...maybe you can guess because I'm tired and I can't think straight.

blah blah blah...this post really doesn't say a thing, does it? lol

much as I love all the fan fiction I still say no to a movie. Could they recapture the magic? Would enough people want to watch to make it a worthwhile project? Would a studio be brave enough to cast Bruce with an "older" woman than usual? And many more questions that I am too tired to type.

It was a horrible edning but I am still happy with the thought of the DVDs, my imagination, fan finction and this board :D

I see your point(s) Tamm. It could so easily go horribly wrong. And then we'd all be even more upset! I'm not sure about the public response and how well it would go down. It would be unlikely to be a big hit, I imagine. I'm not sure people would be worried about the age difference. People didn't seem to be concerned about it back in the day, I doubt they would be now. To be honest, I doubt people would realise she was older. But I can see that there would be a lot to take into consideration, and it would be a bit of a risk for people investing money in it. I still wouldn't say no to a movie!

Love Gem

About the older woman part.

Moonlighting was a show that experimented with a lot of different things, why not continue?
I loved "Something's Gotta Give" with Jack Nickolson and Diane Keaton. Also an older woman (okay, Jack is a bit older than Diane), but anyway...ehm, forgot what I was heading to...maybe you can guess because I'm tired and I can't think straight.

blah blah blah...this post really doesn't say a thing, does it? lol

Not entirely sure of what your point is here Steph, but I LOVE that film! Diane and Jack are excellent in it. I have it on DVD and have watched it loads of times. It's great.

Love Gem

Don't worry Gem, I'll explain it to you tomorrow when I'm awake ;)

I always thought producers lost out in the early 90's by not having Bruce and Cybill star together in something other than Moonlighting.

Even though I want BW and CY together, I don't see a Moonlighting movie coming out on the big screen unless they produced it themselves. In today's Hollyweird, since BW is around 50, his women co-stars are usually in the 25 to 30 year old range, maybe even younger. I remember cringing when I saw Harrison Ford and Ann Heche in some movie, thinking THIS looks ridiculous, but realizing that this is what Hollywood thinks WE want to see. I remember being delighted when I heard that Bruce was going to do Me Again with an actress relatively close to his age - but alas that movie was thwarted.

Cybill should have done some things in the 90's with Gregory Harrison, or Don Johnson, or Jeff Bridges, Timothy Bottoms etc.

Since Jack Nicholson has been mentioned, I always thought that Cybill and Jack would make a great pairing on the big screen. Now THAT movie is one that I would stand in line to see. Cybill really hasn't shown her sexuality in quite awhile on the big or small screen, so I'd really like to see her spar with Jack Nicholson. :D

Cybill and Jack would be awesome! I'm sure she mentioned him in her book at some point, but I can't remember in what context.

Speaking of Bruce - he did a movie with Michelle Pffeifer a couple of years ago didn't he? She's got to be close to his age?

Love Gem

You are correct, Gem. She's probably in her mid 40's now; but I can't think of a movie she has been in lately.

That movie was The Story of Us. I never made it through the entire movie because it was about divorce, and I thought the movie was kind of depressing. Divorce kind of hits me in the gut. :(

There are exceptions to the rule in Hollywood -- it just seems that the majority of the time, the older a leading man gets, the younger his female co-star seems to be.

Speaking of Harrison Ford, he and Cybill would make quite a pair! I remember reading that she finds him attractive.

There are exceptions to the rule in Hollywood -- it just seems that the majority of the time, the older a leading man gets, the younger his female co-star seems to be.

Speaking of Harrison Ford, he and Cybill would make quite a pair! I remember reading that she finds him attractive.

She seems to find a lot of met attractive! ;) I laughed out loud at what she said in her book about Bill Clinton. I may have already mentioned that somewhere.

I never saw the film with Michelle Pffeifer. I always thought it looked like a romantic film, didn't realise it was about divorce!

Wow, we are busy on here tonight! I was meant to be marking this evening. Now it's nearly 11.30 and I've marked 2 out of 30 books! Ooops.

Love Gem

BW recently said that he doesn't like Bill but that he has been told that he is very charismatic (or something to that effect). Sounds like something Cybill has said.

Ohhh my mom bought the movie with Diane and Jack on DVD! She said it was wonderful... I still have to watch it! And... I don't mind AT ALL aged people doing romantic films... But you know how cruel society is nowadays, so...

Anyway, I agree that there are a lot of things to consider in a ML movie, but like Gem, I would still go for it!

I remember a little bit about the thing I wanted to tell you. (Something's Gotta Give)

It doesn't really matter to me if people are older than the people you usually see in movies. Moonlighting did a lot of new things (black & white, breaking the 4th wall etc.), why not break the Hollyweird rules a little and make a movie with an older woman and a yonger man. I don't think people will watch a Moonlighting Movie if either Cybill or Bruce is missing. We even liked the episodes with both of them in it better than with one of them missing (missing Maddie was the worst thing that could happen to me :p ) Look at Demi and Ashton! It happens in real life! Why is it so hard to put it in a movie?? Cybill and Bruce fit perfectly together, we saw it before and I hope there exists a little chance that we can see it again.

I'm with you, Steph! ;)

You see! I write understandable-er when I'm awake ;) :p

The funny thing is, I don't remember anyone ever mentioning that Bruce was younger than Cybill when the show was on! They just looked great together and I think they still would at any age!!!

I was thinking the same thing CyBr. No one seemed bothered by the age gap when it was on, I don't see why they should be now.

And Steph - yes, that made plenty of sense and I agreed with everything you said!

Love Gem

ops, my post obviously wasn't very clear either. By older woman I didn't mean the Cybill is older than Bruce, just older than his usual co-stars, which I think Kismet picked up, thanks Kismet!

Oooooh, I see! I totally misunderstood that - sorry. But she is older than him, isn't she?

However, I do think that a prejudice still exists towards stories that center around 'older' people falling in love these days. It's sad, but the movies that are going to be the box office hits always seem to be the new Brad Pitt movie, or something. It's such a shame, because there are so many classic middle aged actors still around, but the main parts always seem to be written for the youngsters.

Love Gem

I like Cybill Shepherd, Julie Andrews, Sean Connery, Sissy Spacek, Goldy Hawn etc. etc.

I guess I'm born in the wrong time LOL :D

Yeah, me too. My favourite film ever is The War of the Roses. It's a black comedy and it's really funny - I love Kathleen Turner and Michael Douglas together. They have a great chemistry, which is kind of reminiscent of that of Bruce and Cybill.

Love Gem

I liked The War of the Roses, but I really loved them in Romancing The Stone. They did have a chemistry that reminded me of Cybill and Bruce, BUT Bruce and Cybill had more chemistry IMO.

Kathleen Turner seems to be struggling. She supposedly was in rehab last year located somewhere near me. I believe she also has had some physical problems (rheumatoid arthritis?). I hope everything works out for her. I can still feel the steam from Bodyheat and that was 25 or so years ago.

Yes, I loved Romancing the Stone and The Jewel of the Nile too. They are great together, but you're right, Cybill and Bruce are great great.

I didn't know about Kathleen Turner being in rehab. That's a shame, I think she's a really good actress. She was apparently really good starring in the West End in The Graduate. Wasn't she at that rally with Cybill and Whoopie a while back, about abortion and womens rights or something?

Love Gem

Ooh!! I love Romancing the Stone!!! I've seen it twice now.

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I can always see a little resemblance between Cybill and Kathleen, I don't know what it is exactly but they have some qualities that are alike (and I don't mean the blonde hair :p ). :)

Taz, I totally see what you mean. After talking about Romancing the Stone over here the other day, I went and watched it again and was thinking exactly the same thing. Uncanny.

I guess it's that both Cyb and Kathleen can be very glamorous women and at at the same time be like your neighbour who put out the trash.....
;)

Glamour? Maybe

BUT I think there was also an underlying sexual thingy going on. Both Cybill and Kathleen seemed to be women with sex on their minds. :happyface I don't think Kathleen has it now, but Cybill still does. You just KNOW something is going on (or will be going on)! :wave:

I think they are both very sensual women who really show their womanhood...
If you put them in jeans and mountainboots you see a whole different side, a little male but with still that sensual, sexy glow that they just can't get rid off.
Now I don't know how Kathleen looks these days but I hope she hasn't lost that.(at least she will never loose her voice!)

Taz, Kathleen has had a rough decade. Her face looks quite swollen (although I haven't seen a pic of her in the past few months). She did come out with the info that she had been suffering from rheumatoid arthritis and the medication made her look different. Steroids make your face swell, don't they? There have also been the rumors of alcohol abuse swirling about for quite some time. I don't know if any of these things are true. There was a report that she was in rehab in the Poconos last year (I think).

Her voice is the same but her appearance had such a dramatic change that people noticed. Maybe she has everything worked out now. I just don't know.

What a shame, such a beautiful woman.
Diseases are nobody's fault but alcohol......mmmm
No excuses there.
Anyways I'm glad Cyb is still Cyb!!

How sad! I had no idea about any of that. Well if it's true, I hope she is on the mend. I had thought she looked fine in the pictures of The Graduate, and that was a couple of years ago.

Love Gem

I didn't like Maddie much after Sam came to town and I liked neither Dave or Maddie in the last season. The seemed like strangers to one another - not people who once shared a great passion. Anyway, before Annie came to town I thing Maddie was to sure of herself and smug about David. Who did she really think she was? Was she afraid of getting hurt or did she think she was too good for David? I hated certain segments of episodes when I felt that David was begging for Maddie's affection. Pleeease - a guy like that shouldn't have to plead with anyone. Does anyone share my opinion about Maddie. I am a newbie here and happy to discover other moonaholics!!!

Sue

you know, i do agree with you, and i haven't seen any episodes after 'to heiress human'!
i did like maddie during the sam episodes and threw 'to heiress human'--but 15 minutes into the episode after that, i got antsy. david and maddie both had been confident and strong people who really didn't have a mean bone in either of their bodies. and i didn't want to see mean.
i'm not mad at maddie, but i'm unbelievably disappointed in the direction the writers took with the show.
i thought of this show, that i haven't seen, but it's called '24 hours' and the entire season takes place in 24 hours. i thought that the writers in moonlighting could have done something like that. maybe, have maddie go back home for a week for some family thing, and have a season of the show be a week at the detective agency, with david solving silly cases, and david and maddie talking on the phone (loving and sexy phone calls!)-and then when maddie got back-just continue. i think the writers dropped the ball.

I remember that even back then during the original run I hated the last episodes of this show...it pretty much died for me after David and Maddie had hit the sheets...it was good to see them together, finally, yes, I also wanted to see them do it but it was too early - had they ended the show right there it would have been a good end but since it continued with all this 'pain' that was it for me...I watched all episodes but I truly didn't like the last season...to me, S1-3 was best...I wish Caron could have stayed...

Oooooh, I see! I totally misunderstood that - sorry. But she is older than him, isn't she?

However, I do think that a prejudice still exists towards stories that center around 'older' people falling in love these days. It's sad, but the movies that are going to be the box office hits always seem to be the new Brad Pitt movie, or something. It's such a shame, because there are so many classic middle aged actors still around, but the main parts always seem to be written for the youngsters.

Love Gem

You are so right. Why is it that nowadays, if a reunion movie gets made or let's say they just consider making a reunion movie, it's the youngsters doing the part and not the original actors, they may be *older* but they've got a lot of experience and it's just not the same with someone else in the role..sure it may be what Hollywood wants but it is really what WE want..I don't know...I know that I would rather want to see some older actors play a part in a movie than some 20 yr old girls and boys that are pretty and that's all that's to it...