Actors or Actreses who protrays Gays or Lesbians in films,tv, etc. Personaly I don't care what they want it's there business. But Just wondering how do you feel about it. Just like TV Showtime 'Queer As Folk' Or ' The L Word' or movies like 'Birdcage' which was a harious movie and the movie about three dragqueens who got stranded in a small town. Thanke for Everything Juilee Newmar,(I think)

Um...I really don't think it matters too much.

I dont mind it,but i hate Queer As Folk.It'll be interesting to see Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal portray 2 gay cowboys in an upcoming film.

I dont mind it,but i hate Queer As Folk.It'll be interesting to see Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal portray 2 gay cowboys in an upcoming film.
Did u hear that Jake got hurt during a love scene when they were making the film?

I don't mind it at all. Occasionally stereotypes can be a little tiresome, but I saw In and Out yesterday and thought it was great! Priscilla Queen of the Desert is a good film too (better than To Wong Foo imo).

It doesn't matter to me. It's just acting. Same as if someone portrays a rapist, thief or serial killer.

Did u hear that Jake got hurt during a love scene when they were making the film?

Oh Gosh,No,i didn't hear that.All i heard was that Heath Ledger wasn't keen on certain love scenes. ;)

Did u hear that Jake got hurt during a love scene when they were making the film?
Is the3 movie called Brokeback Mountain?

Oh Gosh,No,i didn't hear that.All i heard was that Heath Ledger wasn't keen on certain love scenes. ;)

I guess Jake wasn't, either. I heard he used a body double for some scenes.

Is the3 movie called Brokeback Mountain?
Yeah

Oh Gosh,No,i didn't hear that.All i heard was that Heath Ledger wasn't keen on certain love scenes. ;)
LOL, I read somewhere that he suffered a minor injury a love scene :lol:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/2/prweb206438.htm

New Study Reveals: Out vs. Outrageous, Gay TV Viewers Weigh In- Almost 50% of Viewers Pick "Ellen" as their Favorite Performer

New Study of Gay/Lesbian TV viewership behavior and pretences released from GLCensus Partners - Syracuse University & OpusComm Group.

-Nearly 70% of lesbians watch "The L Word"
-Almost 50% of viewers pick "Ellen" as their favorite performer
-Over 95% find "Six Feet Under" as the most accurate gay portrayal

Syracuse, NY (PRWEB) February 8, 2005 -- Gay men are from Mars and lesbians are from Venus when it comes to picking their favorite TV. Men gravitate toward shows featuring guys: Queer as Folk and Will & Grace; women go for "chick" shows: The L Word and The Ellen Show.

While 32% of women say The L Word is their favorite show, .5% of men do. And Queer as Folk was the favorite of 26% of the men, but 10.2% of the women. Overall, 69.9% of women watch The L Word, compared to 22.4% of men, according to a new online study conducted Dec. 10-15 by GLCensus Partners, a research partnership between OpusComm Group and S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.

No matter what show they did pick, many of the 2,149 GLBT respondents are ambivalent about their image in the medium.

Case in point: Jack McFarland. The flamboyant, over-the-top character from Will & Grace was the No. 1 pick for both "most favorite" and "negative portrayal." The show was a top five favorite for both men and women, but with reservations.

"I enjoy Will & Grace despite the fact that it is one long series of gay jokes," said one respondent. "If Jack were a monogamous homebody like me, there would be no ratings and no show," said another. One respondent summed it up: "Although Jack on Will & Grace portrays the worst of the stereotype of gay men, he is still the funniest of all the gay TV characters. Though I despise the stereotype, I love his comedic talents. Go figure."

Those mixed emotions also are manifested in the fact that 47% of respondents couldn’t pick their least favorite show that featured either a GLBT character or GLBT participant in a leading role.

"This leads me to believe that the GLBT respondents are partial to GLBT shows in general, but that they also are concerned with how they are being portrayed," said Jeff Garber, president of OpusComm Group. "Early on, they were just happy to be included. Now they want what they believe to be a fair representation."

Glennda Testone media director of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) agrees. "It's clear that gay and lesbian viewers are expecting a more sophisticated approach to media images of our lives – and this research bears that out," said Testone. "We need to see more stories where our experiences with relationships, family and sexuality combine to create three-dimensional characters that reflect the everyday reality of who we are."

Respondents echoed that feeling: "It would be great to see gay characters in the leading roles on prime time channels ... Something where the relationship of the main characters is treated just like any other normal relationship." Also: "Television has come along way with its portrayal of gays and lesbians in our culture but still has a long way to go … we are still the ‘funny character’ on shows."

The level of consciousness is not the same across the board. Said one respondent: "I'm just so happy that mainstream TV is finally starting to depict real gay characters. I have struggled for years with feeling like I can't relate to characters, like I don't belong. This new trend has gotten me interested in TV again."

Full text version of release can be found on:
http://www.glcensus.org/press/2005-02-07.html

The GLCensus Partners is a partnership between the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University, and advertising and public relations firm OpusComm Group, Inc., which specializes in consultation of sensitivity issues and market plan development for all types of advertisers to target the GLBT community.

For further information and to review a full summary of the "Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census", contact Jeffrey Garber, president of OpusComm Group at e-mail protected from spam bots (315) 637-2018 or visit www.glcensus.org (http://www.glcensus.org/).

that is a pretty good poll. I can see why Ellen would be voted favorite gay entertainer. She is neither offensive to straight people, or viewed as "straightwashed" by the gay community.

I agree with Jack being a negative portrayal. Sean Hayes is funny, but it can make straight people who don't know better think all gay men are like that.

Queer As Folk scored so low with both sexes is because it's just not that good of a tv show. It was meant to be an "in your face" depiction of gay life, but in many ways, it is more shallow than realistic. How many actors on the show aren't anorexic looking and white? You'll never see a "cub" hanging out with the gang, much less someone who is African-American, Hispanic or Asian. Most people I know are over the show, and those who still watch it hang onto it with a sense of pride. But, I think the show in many ways is more damning than helpful. I can see organizations who are against gay rights tuning into an episode and going "see, this is why these people need to be stopped" :rolleyes:

Six Feet Under probably does it best of any series. David and Keith are treated as any other couple on the show, but they just happen to be gay. Too bad the show is ending because the entire cast is great and I think it has plenty of stories left to tell.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/2/prweb206438.htm

New Study Reveals: Out vs. Outrageous, Gay TV Viewers Weigh In- Almost 50% of Viewers Pick "Ellen" as their Favorite Performer

New Study of Gay/Lesbian TV viewership behavior and pretences released from GLCensus Partners - Syracuse University & OpusComm Group.

-Nearly 70% of lesbians watch "The L Word"
-Almost 50% of viewers pick "Ellen" as their favorite performer
-Over 95% find "Six Feet Under" as the most accurate gay portrayal

Syracuse, NY (PRWEB) February 8, 2005 -- Gay men are from Mars and lesbians are from Venus when it comes to picking their favorite TV. Men gravitate toward shows featuring guys: Queer as Folk and Will & Grace; women go for "chick" shows: The L Word and The Ellen Show.

While 32% of women say The L Word is their favorite show, .5% of men do. And Queer as Folk was the favorite of 26% of the men, but 10.2% of the women. Overall, 69.9% of women watch The L Word, compared to 22.4% of men, according to a new online study conducted Dec. 10-15 by GLCensus Partners, a research partnership between OpusComm Group and S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.

No matter what show they did pick, many of the 2,149 GLBT respondents are ambivalent about their image in the medium.

Case in point: Jack McFarland. The flamboyant, over-the-top character from Will & Grace was the No. 1 pick for both "most favorite" and "negative portrayal." The show was a top five favorite for both men and women, but with reservations.

"I enjoy Will & Grace despite the fact that it is one long series of gay jokes," said one respondent. "If Jack were a monogamous homebody like me, there would be no ratings and no show," said another. One respondent summed it up: "Although Jack on Will & Grace portrays the worst of the stereotype of gay men, he is still the funniest of all the gay TV characters. Though I despise the stereotype, I love his comedic talents. Go figure."

Those mixed emotions also are manifested in the fact that 47% of respondents couldn’t pick their least favorite show that featured either a GLBT character or GLBT participant in a leading role.

"This leads me to believe that the GLBT respondents are partial to GLBT shows in general, but that they also are concerned with how they are being portrayed," said Jeff Garber, president of OpusComm Group. "Early on, they were just happy to be included. Now they want what they believe to be a fair representation."

Glennda Testone media director of the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) agrees. "It's clear that gay and lesbian viewers are expecting a more sophisticated approach to media images of our lives – and this research bears that out," said Testone. "We need to see more stories where our experiences with relationships, family and sexuality combine to create three-dimensional characters that reflect the everyday reality of who we are."

Respondents echoed that feeling: "It would be great to see gay characters in the leading roles on prime time channels ... Something where the relationship of the main characters is treated just like any other normal relationship." Also: "Television has come along way with its portrayal of gays and lesbians in our culture but still has a long way to go … we are still the ‘funny character’ on shows."

The level of consciousness is not the same across the board. Said one respondent: "I'm just so happy that mainstream TV is finally starting to depict real gay characters. I have struggled for years with feeling like I can't relate to characters, like I don't belong. This new trend has gotten me interested in TV again."

Full text version of release can be found on:
http://www.glcensus.org/press/2005-02-07.html

The GLCensus Partners is a partnership between the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University, and advertising and public relations firm OpusComm Group, Inc., which specializes in consultation of sensitivity issues and market plan development for all types of advertisers to target the GLBT community.

For further information and to review a full summary of the "Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census", contact Jeffrey Garber, president of OpusComm Group at e-mail protected from spam bots (315) 637-2018 or visit www.glcensus.org (http://www.glcensus.org/).
that is the most ******** thing i have ever seen in my life. im not even going to start...

that is the most ******** thing i have ever seen in my life. im not even going to start...
It's not an opinion article. It's a study that was conducted.

It's not an opinion article. It's a study that was conducted.
I'm quite aware, that's what makes it moronic.

"Men gravitate toward shows featuring guys:"

no ****, thats why theyre GAY men.

It's not an opinion article. It's a study that was conducted.
That's all you got? That's your gripe? Go you. :lol:

That's all you got? That's your gripe? Go you. :lol:
actually no, thats the one that takes the least amount of thought to point out though. i have been in class all morning so excuse me if i dont feel like going on a tangent at the moment, im a bit knackered. and if you are going to direct a comment towards me, please quote me directly, thanks

actually no, thats the one that takes the least amount of thought to point out though. i have been in class all morning so excuse me if i dont feel like going on a tangent at the moment, im a bit knackered. and if you are going to direct a comment towards me, please quote me directly, thanks
EDIT: Ooops, you're right. I quoted myself by accident. I'll fix it so you'll understand.

There's a show dubbed the "Black Queer As Folk" coming this summer called "Noah's Arc" supposedly on LOGO, the gay-themed channel that'll be hitting the air. It's supposed to be not so in your face with sex as QAF, though there will be sex. It's been described as a mix of QAF, Soul Food and Sex In The City.

"Men gravitate toward shows featuring guys:"

no ****, thats why theyre GAY men.
That's all you got? That's your gripe? Go you. :lol:

That's all you got? That's your gripe? Go you. :lol:
see my previous reply to you.

EDIT: Ooops, you're right. I quoted myself by accident. I'll fix it so you'll understand.
It's not that I didn't understand, I just like when things are said directly to me, rather than a general statement being made that could have alternative interpertations by an independent source regarding this matter.

"Men gravitate toward shows featuring guys:"

no ****, thats why theyre GAY men.

actually, quite a huge number of gay men, and I include myself in this, actually are probably into a larger amount of "chick shows" than "dude shows". You would be surprised at how large a gay male following shows such as The Golden Girls, Designing Women, The Facts Of Life, Desperate Housewives and Sex And The City attract. As well as "strong powerful" female programs such as Buffy, Charmed and Wonder Woman.

It's not that I didn't understand, I just like when things are said directly to me, rather than a general statement being made that could have alternative interpertations by an independent source regarding this matter.
That statement sounds like it came from a technical manual. You talk that way in real life? :lol:

I think you knew I made an honest mistake. We were the only ones replying to each other.

Okay, you don't like the study. I get it. Not a big deal. Not worth getting worked up over. I thought the study was informative myself.

actually, quite a huge number of gay men, and I include myself in this, actually are probably into a larger amount of "chick shows" than "dude shows". You would be surprised at how large a gay male following shows such as The Golden Girls, Designing Women, The Facts Of Life, Desperate Housewives and Sex And The City attract. As well as "strong powerful" female programs such as Buffy, Charmed and Wonder Woman.
My brother is the same Buffy. He's gay and tends to like "chick shows" too. He does LOVE Six Feet Under though. Do you watch that show? My brother says it's a very accurate portrayal of a gay couple.

I love SFU too, and my favorite characters are David and Keith. When David was almost killed last season, I cried like a fool.

that is the most ******** thing i have ever seen in my life. im not even going to start...

You know what? I hate people throwing around the word "********" like it's ok. It's not.

How about if someone here throws around the word, "f-ggot" like that? Of course I never would or would never condone that, but you see my point.

You don't like something, find another way to express yourself.

actually, quite a huge number of gay men, and I include myself in this, actually are probably into a larger amount of "chick shows" than "dude shows". You would be surprised at how large a gay male following shows such as The Golden Girls, Designing Women, The Facts Of Life, Desperate Housewives and Sex And The City attract. As well as "strong powerful" female programs such as Buffy, Charmed and Wonder Woman.

Then either way the survey is wrong on this account.

Then either way the survey is wrong on this account.
Not exactly. It didn't say all men.

I read another article online recently saying that gay stereotypes (such as Jack in Will and Grace) aren't that offensive anyway, because for one many people know somebody like that, or the character is genuinely funny and entertaining. It just happens to be that Jack is gay- few would accept a man behaving like that as straight because the stereotypes have dominated for a long time.

I think things are good though. There are stereotypes (usually only seen in those crappy one-season and they're cancelled sitcoms), but at the same time there are films such as 'The Hours' and Angels in America.

I read another article online recently saying that gay stereotypes (such as Jack in Will and Grace) aren't that offensive anyway, because for one many people know somebody like that, or the character is genuinely funny and entertaining. It just happens to be that Jack is gay- few would accept a man behaving like that as straight because the stereotypes have dominated for a long time.

I think things are good though. There are stereotypes (usually only seen in those crappy one-season and they're cancelled sitcoms), but at the same time there are films such as 'The Hours' and Angels in America.
I don't know if my brother, who is gay, and his gay friends represent the majority, but they all have the best sense of humor when it comes to the whole gay thing. They make fun of themselves. My brother calls his roommate a fussy housewife, to his face no less. My brother does the silly walk sometimes, with the wiggle and the limp wrist. He leaves messages on my answering machine telling me that "It's your sister Peter".

I don't even know where I'm going with all this, but just jotting down some thoughts. He doesn't overdo it, but he and his friends just laugh it all off. On the other hand, most of them are activists for gay rights, AIDS, etc. He's always hitting me up for a check. :lol:

Not exactly. It didn't say all men.
It generalized with the terms used.

That statement sounds like it came from a technical manual. You talk that way in real life? :lol:

I think you knew I made an honest mistake. We were the only ones replying to each other.

Okay, you don't like the study. I get it. Not a big deal. Not worth getting worked up over. I thought the study was informative myself.
Actually yes I do when it's regarding intelligent conversation (apparently this message board is the wrong place for that.) especially when its about something I know a great deal about. I guess I should do what I have been reduced to do in class and keep my mouth shut so I don't unintentionally sound condescending.

You know what? I hate people throwing around the word "********" like it's ok. It's not.

How about if someone here throws around the word, "f-ggot" like that? Of course I never would or would never condone that, but you see my point.

You don't like something, find another way to express yourself.

Actually I used that term purpously as a joke to make a point about generalizations.

Actually yes I do when it's regarding intelligent conversation (apparently this message board is the wrong place for that.) especially when its about something I know a great deal about. I guess I should do what I have been reduced to do in class and keep my mouth shut so I don't unintentionally sound condescending.
Yeah, dummy it down for us simple folk who can't hold an intelligent conversation.

Yeah, dummy it down for us simple folk who can't hold an intelligent conversation.
I never said that.

My brother is the same Buffy. He's gay and tends to like "chick shows" too. He does LOVE Six Feet Under though. Do you watch that show? My brother says it's a very accurate portrayal of a gay couple.

I love SFU too, and my favorite characters are David and Keith. When David was almost killed last season, I cried like a fool.

yep, Six Feet Under is great. Except it sucks the show is ending after this season, I think the show has a lot of storylines left to go, 65 (or something like that) episodes is way too short to go out on.

Actually I used that term purpously as a joke to make a point about generalizations.

I'm not Mr. PC or anything, but I hardly believe that.

There is nothing even close to imply that you used it to illustrate a point.
Just admit you made a mistake.

Whatever, it's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't want to fight about it.

I just wish people would elminate talking like that.

I'm not Mr. PC or anything, but I hardly believe that.

There is nothing even close to imply that you used it to illustrate a point.
Just admit you made a mistake.

Whatever, it's not that big a deal, and I certainly don't want to fight about it.

I just wish people would elminate talking like that.

No, I won't admit it because it isn't true. I would gladly admit if I made an error and try to correct myself, but it was a generalization to point out the absent mindedness that was used in that 'poll'. I honestly don't care if you believe me or not, because to be quite frank I really don't care what your opinion is about me.

No, I won't admit it because it isn't true. I would gladly admit if I made an error and try to correct myself, but it was a generalization to point out the absent mindedness that was used in that 'poll'. I honestly don't care if you believe me or not, because to be quite frank I really don't care what your opinion is about me.

Well la di freaking da, I don't give a crap about you either.

Try showing me how you used that term to back up "generalizations".
Did I see a quote around "********"- no.

I don't see the correlation of how the depiction gays on Tv relates to calling things ********- try being specific and making a real point.

Nice try, I don't believe you.
And I don't care what you think either.

Well la di freaking da, I don't give a crap about you either.

Try showing me how you used that term to back up "generalizations".
Did I see a quote around "********"- no.

I don't see the correlation of how the depiction gays on Tv relates to calling things ********- try being specific and making a real point.

Nice try, I don't believe you.
And I don't care what you think either.
Now you are drawing false conclusions. I never said I don't care about you, I said I don't care what your opinion is about me, because I know I am right and that's all that amtters.
I inferred the point I was making and did not clearly state it, for THAT and that alone will I apoligize. I am sorry I did not CLEARLY state the point I was making with what I had said.

Now you are drawing false conclusions. I never said I don't care about you, I said I don't care what your opinion is about me, because I know I am right and that's all that amtters.
I inferred the point I was making and did not clearly state it, for THAT and that alone will I apoligize. I am sorry I did not CLEARLY state the point I was making with what I had said.

OK. I'm sorry about being so brusk.

I am making too much about this and this does not have much to do with the thread so I apologize for taking up all this space.