:eek2:

http://techfocus.org/files/news/targetpot.jpg

:lol:

oh my God, is that real? :lol: wait that can't be real. Impossible. :rofl:

That's pretty steep, what a huge mark up. ;)

Runs for my credit card.
:seeya:

Kidding, I hate pot. Makes me paranoid. Tried it in my teens and never once since then.

and all this time I've been getting it off the street...

Originally posted by Janice
Runs for my credit card.
:seeya:

Kidding, I hate pot. Makes me paranoid. Tried it in my teens and never once since then.

The first time usually sucks though so you really should try again. Most people don't get anything off their first try. I did only becuase we were pulling from a poland spring bottle(homeade bong, its cheap). I love weed. I don't smoke often so I don't see what the big deal is.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
The first time usually sucks though so you really should try again. Most people don't get anything off their first try. I did only becuase we were pulling from a poland spring bottle(homeade bong, its cheap). I love weed. I don't smoke often so I don't see what the big deal is.

:lol:

Doesn't it give you wicked munchies? My cousin smoked it a lot in his first year of college, and he gained like 20 pounds.

Originally posted by Dutabi84
:lol:

Doesn't it give you wicked munchies?

Yes it does. You must have willpower!

When I smoked pot, I'd get cravings for the weirdest stuff. Like Hamburger Helper.

Then I'd laugh about nothing for like 20 minutes while eating said Hamburger Helper. Fun times, I tell you.

Originally posted by AKA
When I smoked pot, I'd get cravings for the weirdest stuff. Like Hamburger Helper.

I had a craving, the other day, for a pizza sandwich...

How does one go about making a pizza sandwich?

Originally posted by Dutabi84
:lol:

Doesn't it give you wicked munchies? My cousin smoked it a lot in his first year of college, and he gained like 20 pounds.

Sweet lord yes. thank god white castle is open 24/7.

Originally posted by AKA
How does one go about making a pizza sandwich?

Alright. You have a slice of pizza, preferably a square slice, two slices of french bread, lettuce, and the kicker... italian dressing.

You put them together and there you have it, a pizza sandwich.

Originally posted by Ian
Alright. You have a slice of pizza, preferably a square slice, two slices of french bread, lettuce, and the kicker... italian dressing.

You put them together and there you have it, a pizza sandwich. That actually doesn't sound bad. You're a genius.

"Just say NO."

Originally posted by Fleet
"Just say NO."


http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread14829.shtml

Probably the smartest thing I did in my life was staying as far away from that junk as I could.

The dumbest thing I did was not seeing a dentist for 7 years. Big mistake!

Originally posted by Ian
http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread14829.shtml
Intersting how that site you listed neglated to list a few facts... like the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.

I like these sites better:

http://www.antidrugs.8k.com

http://www.ctpta.org/parenting/role-play.htm

Last I heard, 72% of Americans disapprove of legalizing marijuana.

Originally posted by Fleet
Probably the smartest thing I did in my life was staying as far away from that junk as I could.

:clap

Originally posted by Janice
Runs for my credit card.
:seeya:

Kidding, I hate pot. Makes me paranoid. Tried it in my teens and never once since then.

Janice, I never expected to hear that from you. Tsk tsk...;)

I've never tried it. It's not because I'm "afraid" of it or anything, but I just don't see the big deal. Cigarettes, now that's another story. :o

I'm 19 and I don't drink or do illegal drugs at all. I've never understood why people would want to do it. All I know is that it can mess your life up.

Originally posted by Fleet
Intersting how that site you listed neglated to list a few facts... like the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than for those who have never tried it.

I like these sites better:

http://www.antidrugs.8k.com

http://www.ctpta.org/parenting/role-play.htm

Last I heard, 72% of Americans disapprove of legalizing marijuana.

Pulling the ole' gateway drug card, eh?

Well, did you know that 100% of cocaine users also eat food. As well as... *gasp* sleep!

You're gonna have to come up with something better than that, Fleet.

Originally posted by Desperate_Fan03
I'm 19 and I don't drink or do illegal drugs at all. I've never understood why people would want to do it. All I know is that it can mess your life up. I said that when I was 19, too. A year later, I got drunk for the first time and a year after that, I was smoking pot on a regular basis.

It didn't ruin my life, nor did it lead to hard drugs.

Originally posted by AKA
I said that when I was 19, too. A year later, I got drunk for the first time and a year after that, I was smoking pot on a regular basis.

It didn't ruin my life, nor did it lead to hard drugs.

I'm one of those people that doesn't even like the taste of wine coolers. Also I really hate the idea of losing control. Like I said it's just me.

Originally posted by Desperate_Fan03
I'm one of those people that doesn't even like the taste of wine coolers. Also I really hate the idea of losing control. Like I said it's just me. Cool. I rarely drink anymore, and I haven't smoked pot in almost two years. So I guess I'm the same way.

Originally posted by Ian
Pulling the ole' gateway drug card, eh?

Well, did you know that 100% of cocaine users also eat food. As well as... *gasp* sleep!

You're gonna have to come up with something better than that, Fleet.

Use cocaine and you may go to sleep permanently.

Harold and Kumar Go to Target :lol:

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
Sweet lord yes. thank god white castle is open 24/7. :lol:

I just find it funny how marijuana is always put in the same sentence with drugs such as Heroin and cocaine. There are still no documented cases of death caused by smoking weed.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :crazy:

Originally posted by Ian
I just find it funny how marijuana is always put in the same sentence with drugs such as Heroin and cocaine. There are still no documented cases of death caused by smoking weed.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. :crazy:

Yes, that smoke buildup in your lungs is just great for you. :rolleyes:

We know cigarettes cause cancer, and we also know that smoking marijuana causes cancer...perhaps thats not the immediate death your looking for, but it definitely is a negative consequence of smoking the drug.

You really want to spend your last days gasping for air in a hospital bed with tubes shoved down your throat?

Originally posted by cheers_rules
We know cigarettes cause cancer, and we also know that smoking marijuana causes cancer...perhaps thats not the immediate death your looking for, but it definitely is a negative consequence of. . .

The same argument can be made for alcohol, and it's perfectly legal. What's your point?

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Yes, that smoke buildup in your lungs is just great for you. :rolleyes:

We know cigarettes cause cancer, and we also know that smoking marijuana causes cancer...perhaps thats not the immediate death your looking for, but it definitely is a negative consequence of smoking the drug.

You really want to spend your last days gasping for air in a hospital bed with tubes shoved down your throat?

Actually, it has never been proven that smoking marijuana causes cancer. There have been no reports of anyone having lung cancer solely from marijuana use. Nice try, though.

Originally posted by AKA
The same argument can be made for alcohol, and it's perfectly legal. What's your point?

Ian said nobody has proven Marijuana to be deadly. We know that is false.

Yes, alcohol is legal, but we did outlaw it for a time. It was only because we wanted the revenue from the alcohol tax that we once again allowed alcohol to be sold.

The point is, why should the gov't make it easier for people to attain a substance that we know is harmful? They have far more important things to do. We shouldn't base today on past mistakes.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Ian said nobody has proven Marijuana to be deadly. We know that is false.I'd say that marijuana isn't nearly as bad for you as tobacco. Marijuana isn't laced with thousands of man-made chemicals, like tobacco.Originally posted by cheers_rules
Yes, alcohol is legal, but we did outlaw it for a time. It was only because we wanted the revenue from the alcohol tax that we once again allowed alcohol to be sold.Thanks for the history lesson, but I went through eighth grade U.S. history, too.Originally posted by cheers_rules
The point is, why should the gov't make it easier for people to attain a substance that we know is harmful? They have far more important things to do. We shouldn't base today on past mistakes. Marijuana grows naturally upon the planet. It's absurd to regulate nature.

Trees are harmful. People die running into them every year. Should we outlaw them?

Originally posted by AKA
I'd say that marijuana isn't nearly as bad for you as tobacco. Marijuana isn't laced with thousands of man-made chemicals, like tobacco.

Nevertheless, do humans breathe smoke? No, you breathe air, a mixture of gases; introduce a foreign substance and you're asking for trouble. Smoke...the byproduct of combustion ...tobacco or marijuana...is a known carcinogen.

Originally posted by AKA
Thanks for the history lesson, but I went through eighth grade U.S. history, too.

Thanks for the smartass reply.

Originally posted by AKA
Marijuana grows naturally upon the planet. It's absurd to regulate nature.

So does Oleander. So does Ephedra. We regulate Herbs... not as much as we should but we do regulate them. Just because it is a plant, just because it is natural, doesn't mean it is good for you.

Originally posted by AKA
Trees are harmful. People die running into them every year. Should we outlaw them?

75% of the people who die running into trees are intoxicated. Should we outlaw alcohol? I think so, but many people would disagree. Out of the remaining 25%, the majority are not paying attention to the road...ie, cellphones, food, talking, ect... the trees don't just reach out and grab you, you have to navigate the vehicle into the object.

Originally posted by AKA
The same argument can be made for alcohol, and it's perfectly legal. What's your point?

I'd Rather they make all that crap illegal.

If People REALLY Want A Good "High" Or a "Thrill" They should try going through the car wash....Without a car! :D

Oh boy.

Smoking pot doesn't kill you... but the decisions under the influence of it definitely can. I've almost died several times from acting like an arrogant ******* while high and making some of the worst decisions in my life. Past two years, I smoked almost everyday, sometimes several times a day. Then I got into other drugs. I'm not sure it was the pot use as a gateway drug, or just my stupidity, but I've literally smoked/drugged/drank myself stupid. It does have long term memory effects.

I slip now and then, but going to rehab was the best thing I could have done. If you're going to smoke pot, it's your choice... but please.. don't drive while your high. It would be advised that you are in the presence of someone sober. Often, I find myself being the designated one. One dumb move can kill you.

Originally posted by Chad Lawrence Doody
I'd Rather they make all that crap illegal.

:clap

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
If you're going to smoke pot, it's your choice... but please.. don't drive while your high. It would be advised that you are in the presence of someone sober. Often, I find myself being the designated one. One dumb move can kill you.

I definitely don't think anyone should drive while under ANY influence. Hell, I don't even think people should drive after taking cold medicine.

Weed should be regulated much like alcohol. Have a legal smoking age, no driving while under the influence, ect. Since there'd be much more room in prisons, there should be harsher punishments for people who break these laws.

I believe marijuana is far less dangerous than either alcohol or tobacco. Also imagine the tax revenue that could be generated if it was legally produced and sold.

I don't think that in countries like The Netherlands where it (and much more potent drugs) are legal, there are any higher accident rates or other problems!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I definitely don't think anyone should drive while under ANY influence. Hell, I don't even think people should drive after taking cold medicine.

Weed should be regulated much like alcohol. Have a legal smoking age, no driving while under the influence, ect. Since there'd be much more room in prisons, there should be harsher punishments for people who break these laws.

We ban herbs that have harmful side effects, why legalize a harmful drug? Would you go up to a holly tree and start eating its berries?

Originally posted by Ian
Pulling the ole' gateway drug card, eh?

Because it's true.
In one study, it took until the 40th person who was using cocaine who didn't start by using marijuana.

Do you realize how many lives have been ruined (or ended) by people who started out using marijuana?

Originally posted by cheers_rules
We ban herbs that have harmful side effects, why legalize a harmful drug? Would you go up to a holly tree and start eating its berries?

No, I wouldn't eat holly berries because they're poisonous. It's common sense.

Explain to me, exactly how has the marijuana drug itself been PROVEN to be more harmful than something like coffee? I proved you wrong once before (which you conveniently ignored), I'm sure I can do it once again.

Originally posted by Tonyd
I believe marijuana is far less dangerous than either alcohol or tobacco. Also imagine the tax revenue that could be generated if it was legally produced and sold.

I don't think that in countries like The Netherlands where it (and much more potent drugs) are legal, there are any higher accident rates or other problems!
It could be put this way...
there are many disadvantages using marijuana.
there is not one advantage when using it.

Originally posted by Fleet
Because it's true.
In one study, it took until the 40th person who was using cocaine who didn't start by using marijuana.

Do you realize how many lives have been ruined (or ended) by people who started out using marijuana?

The same thing can be said for cigarettes or alcohol, but that doesn't make them illegal. Coffee is also technically a drug, and I'm sure most harder drug users have drank that. Should coffee now be considered a gateway drug? The logic that "oh this can lead to that and that so this is bad" is flawed, and you know it.

Originally posted by Fleet
there is not one advantage when using it.

Sure there is.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
The same thing can be said for cigarettes or alcohol, but that doesn't make them illegal. Coffee is also technically a drug, and I'm sure most harder drug users have drank that. Should coffee now be considered a gateway drug? The logic that "oh this can lead to that and that so this is bad" is flawed, and you know it.
Why have another problem? Because people can become addicted ot cigarettes and alcohol, we should allow another harmful substance? I don't think so.

Asking if coffee should be considered a gateway drug just shows me that you've gone completely away from the orignal subject- the in many, many cases, marijuana is indeed a gateway drug. As shown, the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than those who haven't. Now, tell me again that marijuana is not a gateway drug!

Again, just because there are some substances out there that can cause harm is no reason to allow yet another.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Sure there is.

:clap

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Sure there is.
What?

Originally posted by Tonyd
:clap
Try the thrill of real life, not some drug which gives you an artificial "high."

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
No, I wouldn't eat holly berries because they're poisonous. It's common sense.

Explain to me, exactly how has the marijuana drug itself been PROVEN to be more harmful than something like coffee? I proved you wrong once before (which you conveniently ignored), I'm sure I can do it once again.

Comparing Marijuana to Coffee? :rolleyes:

Well, hmm, for starters, we KNOW from the most recent studies that caffeine causes no harmful side effects in healthy people. If you drink it in excess you may experience jitters, nervousnesss, ect... but this is temporary...and does not stick with you for the REST OF YOUR LIFE. Recent studies have also gone back on the long-held notion that caffeineted beverages do not count towards daily water intake.

There is nothing wrong with coffee. The more people drink, the more tolerance the heart and brain builds to it, until the effects are near none.

Smoked marijuana on the other hand....causes detrimental lung damage....bronchitis can develop...use can lead to cancer. Intoxicated users can kill themselves or drive vehicles off of bridges or into walls.

As someone posted earlier...there are many detriments to using "weed"...there are NO positives... and there is NO reason to legalize it.

Originally posted by Fleet
Why have another problem? Because people can become addicted ot cigarettes and alcohol, we should allow another harmful substance? I don't think so.

Asking if coffee should be considered a gateway drug just shows me that you've gone completely away from the orignal subject- the in many, many cases, marijuana is indeed a gateway drug. As shown, the risk of using cocaine is 104 times greater for those who have tried marijuana than those who haven't. Now, tell me again that marijuana is not a gateway drug!

Again, just because there are some substances out there that can cause harm is no reason to allow yet another.

Ok, I'll tell you again, marijuana is not a gateway drug any more than anything else.

Secondly, tell me how marijuana itself is harmful.

Originally posted by Fleet
Try the thrill of real life, not some drug which gives you an artificial "high."

I have a real life. Also I think it should be up to the individual whether or not they want to use it, like alcohol or tobacco. Why don't we have the same privileges they have to make these choices like people in countries where it is legal?

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Sure there is.

Name it. Ruining your health to experience a few hours of a drunken-like stupor doesn't sound very good to me.

Originally posted by Tonyd
I have a real life. Also I think it should be up to the individual whether or not they want to use it, like alcohol or tobacco. Why don't we have the same privileges they have to make these choices like people in countries where it is legal?

You have alcohol... If you want to get "high", go get drunk. Get a hangover. Perhaps it will teach you a lesson before you kill your liver or your lungs.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Smoked marijuana on the other hand....causes detrimental lung damage....bronchitis can develop...use can lead to cancer. Intoxicated users can kill themselves or drive vehicles off of bridges or into walls.

As someone posted earlier...there are many detriments to using "weed"...there are NO positives... and there is NO reason to legalize it.

There are many positives, which I'm about to post in response to Fleet.

Again, I don't think anyone should drive under ANY influence.

And we've already went over that there are no facts backing up your claim that smoking marijuana causes cancer. Nice of you to try to ignore where I proved you wrong, though.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
The logic that "oh this can lead to that and that so this is bad" is flawed, and you know it.
Oh, are you saying that there have been no cases in which someone who is addicted to a hard drug started with marijuana? Not true; quite the opposite, in fact. Do some research.

I'm drinking coffee right now, and I'm here to tell you that it is, indeed a gateway drug, dammit! And it's ruined my life.
:evil snicker:

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
I'm drinking coffee right now, and I'm here to tell you that it is, indeed a gateway drug, dammit! And it's ruined my life.
:evil snicker:

:lol:

Originally posted by Fleet
Oh, are you saying that there have been no cases in which someone who is addicted to a hard drug started with marijuana? Not true; quite the opposite, in fact. Do some research.

No, that's not what I said at all. Read it again.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
You have alcohol... If you want to get "high", go get drunk. Get a hangover. Perhaps it will teach you a lesson before you kill your liver or your lungs.

Well I can't legally use alcohol either. But I think you prove my point by mentioning the liver and lung damage caused by alcohol or tobacco. Marijuana causes none of those!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
There are many positives, which I'm about to post in response to Fleet.

Again, I don't think anyone should drive under ANY influence.

And we've already went over that there are no facts backing up your claim that smoking marijuana causes cancer. Nice of you to try to ignore where I proved you wrong, though.

Since when does SMOKING MARIJUANA not cause cancer? Perhaps the actual chemical properties of the marijuana do not cause cancer...Perhaps..and lets assume so... but there are other byproducts produced in combustion...which we know ARE CARCINOGENS....thus CANCER! Don't forget the Carbon Monoxide you are inhaling.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Name it. Ruining your health to experience a few hours of a drunken-like stupor doesn't sound very good to me.

I'm going to name them. Rather than some people, I choose to not believe speculation and propaganda but rather post facts.

Originally posted by Fleet
What?

"MYTH: MARIJUANA HAS NO MEDICINAL VALUE. Safer, more effective drugs are available. They include a synthetic version of THC, marijuana's primary active ingredient, which is marketed in the United States under the name Marinol.

FACT: Marijuana has been shown to be effective in reducing the nausea induced by cancer chemotherapy, stimulating appetite in AIDS patients, and reducing intraocular pressure in people with glaucoma. There is also appreciable evidence that marijuana reduces muscle spasticity in patients with neurological disorders. A synthetic capsule is available by prescription, but it is not as effective as smoked marijuana for many patients."

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


Secondly, tell me how marijuana itself is harmful.

Exactly. The only real thing I can think of is memory issues... but that's if you smoke 3 dimes a day and use other drugs. 95% of users do not smoke that much pot.

Marijuana itself is not harmful at all. It's what you DO under the influence. I find myself able to focus better while high, infact. It depends on the person.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Since when does SMOKING MARIJUANA not cause cancer? Perhaps the actual chemical properties of the marijuana do not cause cancer...Perhaps..and lets assume so... but there are other byproducts produced in combustion...which we know ARE CARCINOGENS....thus CANCER! Don't forget the Carbon Monoxide you are inhaling.

Since when does it not cause cancer? Since.. always. Find one case in which it has.

Originally posted by Tonyd
Well I can't legally use alcohol either. But I think you prove my point by mentioning the liver and lung damage caused by alcohol or tobacco. Marijuana causes none of those!

:clap

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
:clap

I have never smoked cigarettes, and the few times I have been drunk I have gotten sick. This has never happened with weed.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Ok, I'll tell you again, marijuana is not a gateway drug any more than anything else.

Secondly, tell me how marijuana itself is harmful.
As for your first sentence, you've got to be kidding!

Smoking (anything) can cause lung cancer.
-Marijuana is not a benign drug- it's use impairs learning and judgment and may lead to the development of mental health problems (American Medical Association)

- Smoking marijuana can injure or destroy lung tissue. Marijuana contains 50-70% more of some cancer-causing chemicals than does tobacco smoke (American Lung Association)

- Teens who are high on marijuana are less able to make safe, smart decisions about sex, including saying "no." Teens who have used marijuana are four times more likely to have been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant than teens who haven't.
(The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy)

- Marijuana use may trigger panic attacks, paranoia, even psychosis, especially if you are suffering from anxiety, depression or having thinking problems (The American Psychiatric Association)

- Marijuana can impair concentration and the ability to retain information during a teen's peak learning years (National Education Association)

- Recent research has indicated that for some people there is a correlation between frequent marijuana use and aggressive or violent behavor. This should be a concern to parents, community and all Americans (The National Crime Prevention Council)

Originally posted by AKA
I'd say that marijuana isn't nearly as bad for you as tobacco. Marijuana isn't laced with thousands of man-made chemicals, like tobacco.

Bingo.

5. Marijuana is much more dangerous than tobacco

Smoked marijuana contains about the same amount of carcinogens as does an equivalent amount of tobacco. It should be remembered, however, that a heavy tobacco smoker consumes much more tobacco than a heavy marijuana smoker consumes marijuana. This is because smoked tobacco, with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs while marijuana is less addictive than caffeine. Two other factors are important. The first is that paraphernalia laws directed against marijuana users make it difficult to smoke safely.
These laws make water pipes and bongs, which filter some of the
carcinogens out of the smoke, illegal and, hence, unavailable. The
second is that, if marijuana were legal, it would be more
economical to have cannabis drinks like bhang (a traditional drink
in the Middle East) or tea which are totally non-carcinogenic.
This is in stark contrast with "smokeless" tobacco products like
snuff which can cause cancer of the mouth and throat. When all of these facts are taken together, it can be clearly seen that the
reverse is true: marijuana is much SAFER than tobacco.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info14.shtml

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
"MYTH: MARIJUANA HAS NO MEDICINAL VALUE. Safer, more effective drugs are available. They include a synthetic version of THC, marijuana's primary active ingredient, which is marketed in the United States under the name Marinol.

FACT: Marijuana has been shown to be effective in reducing the nausea induced by cancer chemotherapy, stimulating appetite in AIDS patients, and reducing intraocular pressure in people with glaucoma. There is also appreciable evidence that marijuana reduces muscle spasticity in patients with neurological disorders. A synthetic capsule is available by prescription, but it is not as effective as smoked marijuana for many patients."

http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
I was referring to marijuana as a "casual" drug, not "medicinal."
It's no reason for people to become drug (marijuana) addicts.

Oh lord.. here we go...

Originally posted by Fleet
As for your first sentence, you've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding.

Smoking (anything) can cause lung cancer.

Again, name ONE person (just ONE, it wouldn't be diffucult if it were true) who has or has had cancer simply from smoking marijuana alone.

-Marijuana is not a benign drug- it's use impairs learning and judgment and may lead to the development of mental health problems (American Medical Association)

Yes, it impairs learning WHILE you're high. That I won't deny. Don't forget to leave that part out next time, though.

- Smoking marijuana can injure or destroy lung tissue. Marijuana contains 50-70% more of some cancer-causing chemicals than does tobacco smoke (American Lung Association)

Yet again, see above about cancer.

- Teens who are high on marijuana are less able to make safe, smart decisions about sex, including saying "no." Teens who have used marijuana are four times more likely to have been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant than teens who haven't. (The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy)

This one is just a lie. Anyone who's ever been high would know that it doesn't make you hump anything and everything. This is just government propaganda from the '30s.

- Marijuana use may trigger panic attacks, paranoia, even psychosis, especially if you are suffering from anxiety, depression or having thinking problems (The American Psychiatric Association)

I can't say whether this is true or not with some people. I can speak from personal experience, however. It's really none of your business as to why I smoke, but let's just say, it's helped to immensely suppress some of those things.

- Marijuana can impair concentration and the ability to retain information during a teen's peak learning years (National Education Association)

Again, maybe WHILE you're high.

- Recent research has indicated that for some people there is a correlation between frequent marijuana use and aggressive or violent behavor. This should be a concern to parents, community and all Americans (The National Crime Prevention Council)

This one's just silly. Somebody's been watching too much "Reefer Madness."

Originally posted by Fleet
I was referring to marijuana as a "casual" drug, not "medicinal."
It's no reason for people to become drug (marijuana) addicts.

You didn't say casual or medicinal. If I remember correctly, you were being very general.

You should have also read this part:

"MYTH: MARIJUANA IS HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. Long term marijuana users experience physical dependence and withdrawal, and often need professional drug treatment to break their marijuana habits.

FACT: Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans - less than 1 percent - smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild."

Originally posted by Fleet


- Recent research has indicated that for some people there is a correlation between frequent marijuana use and aggressive or violent behavor. This should be a concern to parents, community and all Americans (The National Crime Prevention Council)

I honestly don't believe that people who turn out to be the next Ted Bundy have contributions made by marijuana use whatsoever. I only speak from experience, but the people who smoke pot that I know seem more mellow if anything.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Oh lord.. here we go...

No, I'm not kidding.

Again, name ONE person (just ONE, it wouldn't be diffucult if it were true) who has or has had cancer simply from smoking marijuana alone.

Yes, it impairs learning WHILE you're high. That I won't deny. Don't forget to leave that part out next time, though.



Yet again, see above about cancer.

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This one is just a lie. Anyone who's ever been high would know that it doesn't make you hump anything and everything. This is just government propaganda from the '30s.

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I can't say whether this is true or not with some people. I can speak from personal experience, however. It's really none of your business as to why I smoke, but let's just say, it's helped to immensely suppress some of those things.

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Again, maybe WHILE you're high.


This one's just silly. Somebody's been watching too much "Reefer Madness." [/B]
Oh, I get it... what you post is 100% ironclad true; what I post is propaganda! :lol:

As for the learning impairment, it doesn't just happen when someone is "high" because the drug marijuana collects in the fatty stem of the brain, where it stays there for months. Alcohol doesn't do this.

As I said, do some research (and I don't mean on some pothead's website!).

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I honestly don't believe that people who turn out to be the next Ted Bundy have contributions made by marijuana use whatsoever. I only speak from experience, but the people who smoke pot that I know seem more mellow if anything.

Exactly.

In my experience alcohol is far more like to make people more violence prone or aggressive!

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I honestly don't believe that people who turn out to be the next Ted Bundy have contributions made by marijuana use whatsoever. I only speak from experience, but the people who smoke pot that I know seem more mellow if anything.
Maybe you would believe it if you did some experiments and/or research, like those who reported did.

Originally posted by Tonyd
In my experience alcohol is far more like to make people more violence prone or aggressive!


Exactly. Alcohol is a depressant, marijuana a hallucinogen. Major difference.

:lol:!!!!!

Originally posted by Fleet
Maybe you would believe it if you did some experiments and/or research, like those who reported did.

Chill out! I said "I don't believe". My beliefs, not yours. My experinces, not yours.

Imagine the deaths caused by alcohol use (drunk drivers, etc.) compared to marijuana! And all the lung cancer cases caused by tobacco!

Originally posted by Fleet
Oh, I get it... what you post is 100% ironclad true; what I post is propaganda! :lol:

As for the learning impairment, it does just happen when someone is "high" because the drug marijuana collects in the fatty stem of the brain, where it stays there for months. Alcohol doesn't do this.

As I said, do some research (and I don't mean on some pothead's website!).

I only said one thing was propaganda, which is true. Others are just half-truths or just plain bull****.

Hey, I've obviously done more research than you. I haven't had to resort to calling the sites where you got your information "some pot-hating nincompoop's website!" And if you'd actually check where I got my information, you'd see it wasn't just from "some pothead's website."

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
You didn't say casual or medicinal. If I remember correctly, you were being very general.

Again, name one advantage to smoking marijuana as a "recreational" drug. For "recreational" (not "medicinal") uses.

Originally posted by Fleet
Again, name one advantage to smoking marijuana as a "recreational" drug. For "recreational" (not "medicinal") uses.

Just one? Ok, off the top of my head: It's fun!

Originally posted by Fleet
Maybe you would believe it if you did some experiments and/or research, like those who reported did.

You want facts? Here they are... unless you'd like to argue with the director of the FBN.

7 Q. Does Marijuana Make People Violent?

A. No. In fact, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger once told Congress just the opposite - that it leads to non-violence and pacifism. Re-legalizing marijuana should be considered as one way to curb violence in our cities. The simple fact is that marijuana does not change your basic personality. The government says that over 20 million Americans still smoke it, probably including some of the nicest people you know.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Just one? Ok, off the top of my head: It's fun!

Right on!

Originally posted by Fleet
Again, name one advantage to smoking marijuana as a "recreational" drug. For "recreational" (not "medicinal") uses.

It's a get away for some people. An escape. Most people choose to deal with things through therapy, but many choose marijuana. Everyone has different ways to deal with things.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I only said one thing was propaganda, which is true. Others are just half-truths or just plain bull****.

I suppose you have evidence which can disprove what the American Medical Association, American Lung Association, The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, The American Psychiatric Association, The National Education Association and The National Crime Prevention Council reported?
Somehow, I think there are more qualified about this than you or something you can find on a website.

Also, how would you explain the fact that more teens are in treatment with a primary diagnoses of marijuana dependence than for all other illicit drugs combined? (The National Institute on Drug Abuse)

Originally posted by Fleet
Again, name one advantage to smoking marijuana as a "recreational" drug. For "recreational" (not "medicinal") uses.

Ok, it's your turn to just name one person who had or has cancer from smoking marijuana alone.

I think that there are some parents who are "gateway drugs" actually.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Just one? Ok, off the top of my head: It's fun!


:lol: true.

Originally posted by Fleet
I suppose you have evidence which can disprove what the American Medical Association, American Lung Association, The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, The American Psychiatric Association, The National Education Association and The National Crime Prevention Council reported?
Somehow, I think there are more qualified about this than you or something you can find on a website.

Well they obviously don't have any evidence to support their claims. Last I checked, phrases like "it MAY do this" and "it MAY cause that" are just speculation, not proof.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
It's a get away for some people. An escape. Most people choose to deal with things through therapy, but many choose marijuana. Everyone has different ways to deal with things.
Don't you realize that it's an artificial, false escape? I can get a better feeling going for a bike ride, or playing a game of soccer or volleyball. And, what I do benefits my body instead of harming it.

Originally posted by Fleet
Don't you realize that it's an artificial, false escape?

Of course. We're not as stupid as you think we are. But it works for some people. People have different ways of dealing with things.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Well they obviously don't have any evidence to support their claims. Last I checked, phrases like "it MAY do this" and "it MAY cause that" are just speculation, not proof.
You know, I get the feeling that you believe only what you want to believe.

Do you realize how many people are dead because they started using marijuana and went onto something else. If they just stayed away from it, they probably would be alive today.

Originally posted by Fleet
Don't you realize that it's an artificial, false escape? I can get a better feeling going for a bike ride, or playing a game of soccer or volleyball. And, what I do benefits my body instead of harming it.

Have you ever even tried it? If you have, you'd know it's a lot better than riding a bike. Maybe I'd feel better if I had just learned how to ride a bike, then I'd feel accomplished.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Of course. We're not as stupid as you think we are. But it works for some people. People have different ways of dealing with things.
Better to deal with things without drugs.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Have you ever even tried it? If you have, you'd know it's a lot better than riding a bike. Maybe I'd feel better if I had just learned how to ride a bike, then I'd feel accomplished.
Riding a bike improves your circulatory system. Biking (and most other forms of exercise) also lowers cholesterol and improves respiration Smoking marijuana sure doesn't. Somehow, I don't think inhaling smoke is better than riding a bike!

No, I have never tried it. As I said, one of the smartest things I have ever done!

Originally posted by Fleet
You know, I get the feeling that you believe only what you want to believe.

Do you realize how many people are dead because they started using marijuana and went onto something else. If they just stayed away from it, they probably would be alive today.

But you're a Christian, remember? Everything happens for a reason.

It takes a certain kind of personality to become addicted to drugs. If these people hadn't started with marijuana, they would just start with something else such as cocaine.

Again, if you look at your "facts," you'll see they're not fact, just speculation:

"Smoking (anything) can cause lung cancer.
-Marijuana is not a benign drug- it's use impairs learning and judgment and may lead to the development of mental health problems (American Medical Association)

- Smoking marijuana can injure or destroy lung tissue. Marijuana contains 50-70% more of some cancer-causing chemicals than does tobacco smoke (American Lung Association)

- Teens who are high on marijuana are less able to make safe, smart decisions about sex, including saying "no." Teens who have used marijuana are four times more likely to have been pregnant or gotten someone pregnant than teens who haven't.
(The National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy) This one was the propaganda.

- Marijuana use may trigger panic attacks, paranoia, even psychosis, especially if you are suffering from anxiety, depression or having thinking problems (The American Psychiatric Association)

- Marijuana can impair concentration and the ability to retain information during a teen's peak learning years (National Education Association)

- Recent research has indicated that for some people there is a correlation between frequent marijuana use and aggressive or violent behavor. This should be a concern to parents, community and all Americans (The National Crime Prevention Council)"

Originally posted by Fleet
Better to deal with things without drugs.

PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. Are you honestly THAT narrow minded?

Originally posted by Fleet
Riding a bike improves your circulatory system. Smoking marijuana sure doesn't. Somehow, I don't think inhaling smoke is better than riding a bike!

No, I have never tried it. As I said, one of the smartest things I have ever done!

Of course riding a bike improves your health, I didn't deny that. Just because I happen to smoke marijuana and enjoy doing so, doesn't mean I don't do things that are good for my health. And believe me, it is much better than riding a bike.

Originally posted by Fleet
Better to deal with things without drugs.

So you've never even taken a tylenol or aspirin?

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. Are you honestly THAT narrow minded?
Do you mean that for some people, they are better off dealing with things with drugs?

Originally posted by Fleet
Do you mean that for some people, they are better off dealing with things with drugs?

I'll go ahead and answer for her and say "yes."

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Of course riding a bike improves your health, I didn't deny that. Just because I happen to smoke marijuana and enjoy doing so, doesn't mean I don't do things that are good for my health. And believe me, it is much better than riding a bike.

I don't think smoking pot interferes with working out and doing many other healthy trhings!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I'll go ahead and answer for her and say "yes."

*cough* Rush Limbaugh

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
So you've never even taken a tylenol or aspirin?
Now, you're getting ridiculous. I'm talking about *illegal* drugs.
Trying to change the subject will not erase the fact that marijuana has caused- directly and indirectly- many premature deaths.

Originally posted by Fleet
Do you mean that for some people, they are better off dealing with things with drugs?

Sure. Depends on the person. I happen to know people who would much rather curl up in bed high a few hours than slit their wrists open.

Originally posted by Fleet
Now, you're getting ridiculous. I'm talking about *illegal* drugs.
Trying to change the subject will not erase the fact that marijuana has caused- directly and indirectly- many premature deaths.

Speaking of changing the subject:

Ok, it's your turn to just name one person who had or has cancer from smoking marijuana alone.

Find one yet?

Originally posted by Fleet
Now, you're getting ridiculous. I'm talking about *illegal* drugs.
Trying to change the subject will not erase the fact that marijuana has caused- directly and indirectly- many premature deaths. Marijuana has never caused an over dose. You cannot overdose and die on marijuana.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I'll go ahead and answer for her and say "yes."

:lol: thank you.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Sure. Depends on the person. I happen to know people who would much rather curl up in bed high a few hours than slit their wrists open. While that's great and all, what happens when they come down from their high and life's problems are still there?

Originally posted by Fleet
Now, you're getting ridiculous. I'm talking about *illegal* drugs.
Trying to change the subject will not erase the fact that marijuana has caused- directly and indirectly- many premature deaths.

You haven't proven where marijuana itself has caused many deaths, but regardless, there are many things that really are unhealthy and cause premature deaths, such as things we eat.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
*cough* Rush Limbaugh
He became addicted to a legal (prescribed) drug.
A drug in which thousands of people of all types (lawyers, doctors, farmers, industrial workers, policemen/women, accountants, dentists, warehouse workers, etc) have also become addicted to.
Also, Limbaugh had an unsuccessful back surgery and was in severe pain... he took a prescribed medication. He didn't take it for kicks; he took it because he was in pain and got addicted, just like many other people.

If he didn't have any back problems, he, of course, would not have taken it in the first place. A BIG difference.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
:lol: thank you.

No problem. :)

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
Marijuana has never caused an over dose. You cannot overdose and die on marijuana.

I think he's talking about cancer from marijuana... but on a side note, you are 110% correct-o.

Originally posted by Fleet
He became addicted to a legal (prescribed) drug.
A drug in which thousands of people of all types (lawyers, doctors, farmers, industrial workers, policemen/women, accountants, dentists, warehouse workers, etc) have also become addicted to.
Also, Limbaugh had an unsuccessful back surgery and was in severe pain... he took a prescribed medication. He didn't take it for kicks; he took it because he was in pain and got addicted, just like many other people.

If he didn't have any back problems, he, of course, would not have taken it in the first place. A BIG difference.

It was a joke. Calm down. I honestly don't care what he's addicted to.

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
While that's great and all, what happens when they come down from their high and life's problems are still there?

Don't know, ask them. I'd rather smoke pot for the rest of my life than die by suicide.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I think he's talking about cancer from marijuana... but on a side note, you are 110% correct-o. I had to make sure. :lol:

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
You haven't proven where marijuana itself has caused many deaths, but regardless, there are many things that really are unhealthy and cause premature deaths, such as things we eat.
What about the thousands who started with marijuana, went on to a harder drug, and died?

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Don't know, ask them. I'd rather smoke pot for the rest of my life than die by suicide.
I'd rather do neither!

Christ on a cracker.

If there was a choice and I was almighty, I would rather see prescription narcotics become more regulated than have marijuana be so taboo. But I won't get into the drug company bull**** because I don't want to be told that it's "propaganda."

Originally posted by Fleet
I'd rather do neither!

A lot of us don't have perfect lives. A lot of us have problems, whether they be family or psychological.

Originally posted by Fleet
What about the thousands who started with marijuana, went on to a harder drug, and died?


Oh come on, Fleet! What killed them? Marijuana or the harder drug? I keep asking for someone who's died from marijuana use ALONE. If you'll look back, you'd see I keep writing that, and I'm doing it on purpose.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
Christ on a cracker.

honestly, it's quite amusing.

Originally posted by Fleet
Don't you realize that it's an artificial, false escape? I can get a better feeling going for a bike ride, or playing a game of soccer or volleyball. And, what I do benefits my body instead of harming it.
im not really involved and i've never smoked pot, but you shouldnt be talking. you've never done it, you can't determine what kind of a feeling it gives you.

that's all

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
honestly, it's quite amusing.

I can't even read half of it because i'd get too angry at the stupidity.

Originally posted by Fleet
What about the thousands who started with marijuana, went on to a harder drug, and died? From my experience from working at a drug and alcohol treatment center, I think there are many factors involved. Such as predispositions, mind set, etc., that are different on an individual basis. There are a lot of pot smokers that are completely content with just doing pot.
There are also those that don't do pot, but everything else. It's not black and white.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
I can't even read half of it because i'd get too angry at the stupidity.

Exactly.

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
From my experience from working at a drug and alcohol treatment center, I think there are many factors involved. Such as predispositions, mind set, etc., that are different on an individual basis. There are a lot of pot smokers that are completely content with just doing pot.
There are also those that don't do pot, but everything else. It's not black and white.

Thank you.

I just gotta say I've done way more stupid things when I've been drunk than when i've been stoned. A drunk is way worse than someone who is toked. You're much more coherent when you're stoned.

that is all.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Oh come on, Fleet! What killed them? Marijuana or the harder drug?
But what drug did they start with?

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
I just gotta say I've done way more stupid things when I've been drunk than when i've been stoned. A drunk is way worse than someone who is toked. You're much more coherent when you're stoned.

that is all.

I have no sense of what I'm doing when I'm drunk. I haven't gotten extremely drunk since the summer. Sure, it's fun while you're drunk, but you wake up in the morning and puke everywhere. I have no use for being extremely smashed anymore.

Originally posted by Fleet
But what drug did they start with? It could've very well been the hard drug they started with. Or it could've been alcohol.

Originally posted by Fleet
But what drug did they start with?

probably prescription pain killers or alcohol.

Originally posted by Fleet
But what drug did they start with?

Hmm.. drug? Probably baby cough medicine.

I know you're talking about illegal drugs, but seriously, marijuana does not force anyone to take any other drugs. Sorry to burst your flawed bubble, but it isn't like that.

Like I said before, certain personality types are susceptible to drug addiction. It's that susceptibility that causes them to be more prone to addiction, not marijuana.

Try again.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
I just gotta say I've done way more stupid things when I've been drunk than when i've been stoned. A drunk is way worse than someone who is toked. You're much more coherent when you're stoned.

that is all.

I agree 100%!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky


I know you're talking about illegal drugs, but seriously, marijuana does not force anyone to take any other drugs. Sorry to burst your flawed bubble, but it isn't like that.

Like I said before, certain personality types are susceptible to drug addiction. It's that susceptibility that causes them to be more prone to addiction, not marijuana.

Try again.

Thank you. I was addicted to a particular amphetamine for 4 1/2 months last year. My marijuana use certainly did not have anything to do with me starting to use it. I've also had major alcohol issues. I just have an addictive personality, passed down by genes. That's all there is to it.

From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:

Q. How does marijuana affect the lungs?
A. Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer.

Q. Can marijuana cause cancer?
A. Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that has been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory tests, the tars from marijuana smoke ahve produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

Originally posted by Fleet
From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:

Q. How does marijuana affect the lungs?
A. Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer.

Q. Can marijuana cause cancer?
A. Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that has been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory tests, the tars from marijuana smoke ahve produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

everything in life has it's risks.

Originally posted by Fleet
From the National Institute on Drug Abuse:

Q. How does marijuana affect the lungs?
A. Scientists believe that marijuana can epecially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer.

Q. Can marijuana cause cancer?
A. Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that has been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory tests, the tars from marijuana smoke ahve produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

Again, the first one is speculation. If the second is true, find one person who has or has had cancer from marijuana alone, like I've asked 2384726348264 times before.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I know you're talking about illegal drugs, but seriously, marijuana does not force anyone to take any other drugs.
The facts say different.
They are not "forced" to take any other drug. They get addicted, then crave a more powerful drug. This has been known for many years.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Again, the first one is speculation.
As I said, it appears that you believe what you choose to believe.
It cannot be denied that marijuana smoke does contain some cancer-causing substances, just like cigarettes do. Obviously, just like cigarettes, smoking marijuana may, over time, cause cancer.

Originally posted by Fleet
The facts say different.
They are not "forced" to take any other drug. They get addicted, then crave a more powerful drug. This has been known for many years.

What you basically just did, was disprove your own argument that "marijuana is a gateway drug."

Exactly, marijuana doesn't force people to take any other drug. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
everything in life has it's risks.
But there are some things people can do to reduce those risks- like not smoking (marijuana and tobacco).

Originally posted by Fleet
The facts say different.
They are not "forced" to take any other drug. They get addicted, then crave a more powerful drug. This has been known for many years. Well ****, it's usually alcohol primarily then, if you want to go by the "gateway drug" theory.

Originally posted by Fleet
But there are some things people can do to reduce those risks- like not smoking (marijuana and tobacco).


screw that. with my luck i'd get into a car accident and die anyways.

Originally posted by Fleet
As I said, it appears that you believe what you choose to believe.
It cannot be denied that marijuana smoke does contain some cancer-causing substances, just like cigarettes do. Obviously, just like cigarettes, smoking marijuana may, over time, cause cancer.

It "may" cause cancer, but has it ever really? Perhaps you have to smoke it for periods longer than our lifespan for cancer to progress.

If it really does cause cancer, out of all of the people who have smoked it and all the people who smoke it regularly, if it were really THAT easy to get cancer from it, wouldn't there be at least ONE case of it ever?

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
It could've very well been the hard drug they started with. Or it could've been alcohol.

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani

probably prescription pain killers or alcohol.


No, unfortunately, many started with marijuana. (The "harmless" drug.)

Originally posted by Mr. Stefani
screw that. with my luck i'd get into a car accident and die anyways.
A real logical outlook. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
If the second is true, find one person who has or has had cancer from marijuana alone, like I've asked 2384726348264 times before.
Do you really think that no one has died from cancer caused by smoking marijuana? C'mon.

Originally posted by Fleet
No, unfortunately, many started with marijuana. (The "harmless" drug.)

No, unfortunately, many started with alcohol.

P.S.-marijuana is a relatively harmless drug.

Originally posted by Fleet
I real logical outlook. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Fleet
No, unfortunately, many started with marijuana. (The "harmless" drug.) I choose to believe that alcohol leads to many other things over marijuana any day.

Originally posted by Fleet
Do you really think that no one has died from cancer caused by smoking marijuana? C'mon.

Yes, in fact, I do. If you want to disprove that and prove yourself right, name one person who HAS or HAS HAD cancer from ONLY smoking marijuana.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
No, unfortunately, many started with alcohol.

Because there is one vice, we shoud allow another?

Just say "NO" to the rolleyes smiley. :p :D

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
Just say "NO" to the rolleyes smiley. :p :D

:lol:

Originally posted by Fleet
Because there is one vice, we shoud allow another?

Why allow one and not the other much less harmful one?

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Yes, in fact, I do. If you want to disprove that and prove yourself right, name one person who HAS or HAS HAD cancer from ONLY smoking marijuana.
If I did offer proof would you believe it?

Originally posted by Fleet
If I did offer proof would you believe it?

If you have actual proof and not just speculation, then yes, be my guest. But remember, from smoking marijuana alone, which doesn't include tobacco.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Why allow one and not the other much less harmful one?
You are much more likely to get lung cancer from smoking (marijuana or tobacco) than from drinking.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
If you have actual proof and not just speculation, then yes, be my guest. But remember, from smoking marijuana alone, which doesn't include tobacco.
Would you believe sources like The American Lung Association or American Medical Association?

Originally posted by Fleet
You are much more likely to get lung cancer from smoking (marijuana or tobacco) than from drinking.

Mmm hm, true. But drinking destroys your liver. Whether you have cancer or a failing liver, you're screwed either way.

Originally posted by Fleet
You are much more likely to get lung cancer from smoking (marijuana or tobacco) than from drinking.

More likely to get lung cancer from tobacco, not marijuana. Try again.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
P.S.-marijuana is a relatively harmless drug.
Not using it is even more harmless!

Originally posted by Fleet
Would you believe sources like The American Lung Association or American Medical Association?

If they can name someone who's died because of lung cancer caused by ONLY smoking marijuana, sure.

Even if it is conceded that it can cause health problems (which I don't) they certainly wouldn't be any worse than with alcohol or tobacco. And what about the point I raised earlier about the tremendous tax dollars that would be collected if it was produced and sold legally? Imagine the constructive things that could be done with that money!

Originally posted by Fleet
Not using it is even more harmless!

Then don't use it. Junk food's harmful, too. If you don't want to eat junk food, good for you.

Originally posted by Fleet
You are much more likely to get lung cancer from smoking (marijuana or tobacco) than from drinking. I cannot believe my eyes. You are giving alcohol WAY too much credit for being harmless health-wise.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
More likely to get lung cancer from tobacco, not marijuana. Try again.
Not according to the report I posted. Do you know what a "carcinogen" is?

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
I cannot believe my eyes. You are giving alcohol WAY too much credit.
Even though I don't drink, I'm sure you've read that drinking in moderation has some benefits. The same can't be said about marijuana.

Originally posted by Fleet
Even though I don't drink, I'm sure you've read that drinking in moderation has some benefits. The same can't be said for marijuana. True, but alcoholics don't drink in moderation.

Marijuana for medicinal purposes has many benefits.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Then don't use it. Junk food's harmful, too. If you don't want to eat junk food, good for you.
Again, pointing out other vices does not validate marijuana use.

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
True, but alcoholics don't drink in moderation.
Neither do drug addicts.

Originally posted by Fleet
Not according to the report I posted. Do you know what a "carcinogen" is?

If it does cause cancer, name one person who has it, like I've asked COUNTLESS TIMES!!!!

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
Marijuana for medicinal purposes has many benefits.
That's just a sly way to try to get it leagalized.

Originally posted by Fleet
Again, pointing out other vices does not validate marijuana use.

Are people not allowed to use examples?

Originally posted by Fleet
Neither do drug addicts. Hey, I added to that post.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
If it does cause cancer, name one person who has it, like I've asked COUNTLESS TIMES!!!!

Poor Lacey. You sound like a broken record.

Originally posted by Fleet
That's just a sly way to try to get it leagalized.

What!?!?! Tell that to Montel Williams. To deny that it has no medical benefits is to deny fact, which is something you obviously like to do.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
But drinking destroys your liver.
If done in moderation, the liver should be just fine.
Cirrhosis of the liver is almost always found in heavy drinkers.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Poor Lacey. You sound like a broken record.

:(

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
What!?!?! Tell that to Montel Williams. To deny that it has no medical benefits is to deny fact, which is something you obviously like to do.
There are many who use the medicinal thing as an excuse to leaglize it.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Are people not allowed to use examples?
Does one vice mean another is okay?

Originally posted by Fleet
There are many who use the medicinal thing as an excuse to leaglize it.

I don't know about "leaglizing" it, but maybe legalizing.

It's not just an excuse, but even if it were, it sure as hell is a damn good one.

Originally posted by Fleet
If done in moderation, the liver should be just fine.
Cirrhosis of the liver is almost always found in heavy drinkers.

If the smoking of cigarettes is done in moderation, there's no saying that you will acquire lung cancer. My grandfather is 91, smoked 2 cigarettes each day since he was my age, and is still going strong, cancer free.

Originally posted by Fleet
Does one vice mean another is okay?

I didn't say vices are ok, but doesn't it make sense that if one vice is legal, and another much less harmful one is illegal, that less harmful one would be legal before the other? It's just logic. Use some if you have any.

Originally posted by Fleet
If done in moderation, the liver should be just fine.
Cirrhosis of the liver is almost always found in heavy drinkers. But the alcoholics in my family take those studies and twist them around to justify their drinking problems. There's not just the liver, there's kidneys. Then there's cancers of the throat and stomach.

For the love of God Fleet, give us some proof of one person who has died from cancer, from smoking marijuana only, and we'll shut up about the cancer. All we want is some proof. You keep stating over and over about how cancer can be caused by marijuana use, well fine. Maybe it can be. We'll never know if you don't prove it.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
For the love of God Fleet, give us some proof of one person who has died from cancer, from smoking marijuana only, and we'll shut up about the cancer. All we want is some proof. You keep stating over and over about how cancer can be caused by marijuana use, well fine. Maybe it can be. We'll never know if you don't prove it.

Thank you!!!

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I didn't say vices are ok, but doesn't it make sense that if one vice is legal, and another much less harmful one is illegal, that less harmful one would be legal before the other? It's just logic. Use some if you have any.
Alcohol does not lead to hard drug use. Again, many people who end up as drug addicts (cocaine especially) started with marijuana. You can try to deny it all you want, but it has been known for over 25 years.

*taps foot* I'm waiting...

Originally posted by Fleet
Alcohol does not lead to hard drug use. Again, many people who end up as drug addicts (cocaine especially) started with marijuana. You can try to deny it all you want, but it has been known for over 25 years.

I never denied that people who use harder drugs started with marijuana. (Quote me where I did, I dare you.) But I can bet that the people who have used marijuana started with alcohol. I'm only playing off your argument that if B (marijuana) causes C (harder drugs), B is bad. If that were true, then if A (alcohol) causes B, therefore A causes C.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
*taps foot* I'm waiting...

I say we all ignore his future posts until he answers ours.

Originally posted by Fleet
Alcohol does not lead to hard drug use. Again, many people who end up as drug addicts (cocaine especially) started with marijuana. You can try to deny it all you want, but it has been known for over 25 years. Oh, but alcohol does! Last time I checked, alcohol is a pretty addictive drug.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
I say we all ignore his future posts until he answers ours.

I have school tomorrow, but I will sit here all night if I must. Maybe I'll smoke a bowl while I'm at it.




:lol:

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I have school tomorrow, but I will sit here all night if I must. Maybe I'll smoke a bowl while I'm at it.


:lol:

Haha.. I probably need to right about now.

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I have school tomorrow, but I will sit here all night if I must. Maybe I'll smoke a bowl while I'm at it.


:lol: Laugh. My. Ass. Off.!!!!

*yawns*

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
For the love of God Fleet, give us some proof of one person who has died from cancer, from smoking marijuana only, and we'll shut up about the cancer. All we want is some proof. You keep stating over and over about how cancer can be caused by marijuana use, well fine. Maybe it can be. We'll never know if you don't prove it.
I'm pretty sure you and lacey won't accept it, but it's worth a try. Especially considering that there are some young kids reading this and it's important for the truth to be known.

http://www.iprc.indiana.edu/publications/iprc/misc/smokescreen.html

Look under myth #3.

Also:

http://www.scuba-doc.com/marij.html

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
Oh, but alcohol does! Last time I checked, alcohol is a pretty addictive drug.
Not as dangerous as cocaine/crack cocaine.

Originally posted by Fleet
I'm pretty sure you and lacey won't accept it, but it's worth a try. Especially considering that there are some young kids reading this and it's important for the truth to be known.

http://www.iprc.indiana.edu/publications/iprc/misc/smokescreen.html

Look under myth #3.

Also:

http://www.scuba-doc.com/marij.html

Nice try, but there's no proof that anybody died from lung cancer on EITHER of those links. Try again!

Originally posted by Fleet
Not as dangerous as cocaine/crack cocaine. Uh but i'm saying people usually start out with alcohol primarily, according to this theory.

I smoked marijuana every day for about two years. It didn't lead to any hard drugs whatsoever. The same can be said for everyone I know who smoked/smokes pot - they didn't progress to any hard drugs, either.

It didn't ruin my life. I didn't go on some murderous rampage, nor did I impregnate a teenage girl. I can also say with certainty that marijuana didn't negatively affect any of my faculties.

In fact, I made tons of posts at Sitcoms Online whilst under the influence of marijuana. I defy you to find one.

Originally posted by Fleet
I'm pretty sure you and lacey won't accept it, but it's worth a try. Especially considering that there are some young kids reading this and it's important for the truth to be known.

http://www.iprc.indiana.edu/publications/iprc/misc/smokescreen.html

Look under myth #3.

Also:

http://www.scuba-doc.com/marij.html

I want a specific case and/or name that clearly states death by lung cancer from use of marijuana.

Go directly to jail, do not pass go, and try again.

Originally posted by AKA
I smoked marijuana every day for about two years. It didn't lead to any hard drugs whatsoever. The same can be said for everyone I know who smoked/smokes pot - they didn't progress to any hard drugs, either.

It didn't ruin my life. I didn't go on some murderous rampage, nor did I impregnate a teenage girl. I can also say with certainty that marijuana didn't negatively affect any of my faculties.

In fact, I made tons of posts at Sitcoms Online whilst under the influence of marijuana. I defy you to find one.


:bighug:

My god, that's brilliant.

Fleet's favorite movie (http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html) :)

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I want a specific case and/or name that clearly states death by lung cancer from use of marijuana.

Go directly to jail, do not pass go, and try again.

And do not collect $200.

What she said. :)

Originally posted by AKA
Fleet's favorite movie (http://www.crrh.org/hemptv/misc_reefer.html) :)

hahaha :lol:

Originally posted by AKA


In fact, I made tons of posts at Sitcoms Online whilst under the influence of marijuana. I defy you to find one.

I've made a few. You couldn't even tell the difference.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
hahaha :lol:

I have seen "Reefer Madness" a couple times and it is amazing they could make propaganda that corny! :lol:

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I've made a few. You couldn't even tell the difference.

Likewise.


In fact, who says I'm not now? ;)

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
And do not collect $200.


$200 sounds mighty nice right about now.

Infact, that's the only disadvantage. It can get expensive if you don't watch it.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Likewise.


In fact, who says I'm not now? ;)

Exactly :lol:

Originally posted by AKA
I smoked marijuana every day for about two years. It didn't lead to any hard drugs whatsoever. The same can be said for everyone I know who smoked/smokes pot - they didn't progress to any hard drugs, either.

It didn't ruin my life. I didn't go on some murderous rampage, nor did I impregnate a teenage girl. I can also say with certainty that marijuana didn't negatively affect any of my faculties.

You are lucky. There are many in graveyards who started out believing that marijuana was "harmless."

There are people who were in high school in the late '60s and early '70s who said that a large percentage of their classmates are dead because of drug use which they started in school. Since marijuana was the easiest drug available, that's what they started with.

Again, you are lucky you did not become one of them. Congratulations! :wave:

Originally posted by Tonyd
I have seen "Reefer Madness" a couple times and it is amazing they could make propaganda that corny! :lol: Here's a much more factual documentary about marijuana (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000633SE/qid=1101876295/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-8870327-6277535?v=glance&s=dvd). I recommend it.

Originally posted by Fleet
You are lucky. There are many in graveyards who started out believing that marijuana was "harmless."

There are people who were in high school in the late '60s and early '70s who said that a large percentage of their classmates are dead because of drug use which they started in school. Since marijuana was the easiest drug available, that's what they started with.

Again, you are lucky you did not become one of them. Congratulations! :wave: I'd say alcohol is even easier to obtain.

Heh. So marijuana may cause cancer. What's the difference? We're all gonna die from it anyways. Well, 1/4 of us anyway.

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Heh. So marijuana may cause cancer. What's the difference? We're all gonna die from it anyways. Well, 1/4 of us anyway.

True that.

Originally posted by Fleet
You are lucky. There are many in graveyards who started out believing that marijuana was "harmless."

There are people who were in high school in the late '60s and early '70s who said that a large percentage of their classmates are dead because of drug use which they started in school. Since marijuana was the easiest drug available, that's what they started with.

Again, you are lucky you did not become one of them. Congratulations! :wave:
do you work for D.A.R.E. or something.

Marijuana Ingredient Causes Mice Tumors to Grow Faster
Ingredient in Marijuana Causes Mice Tumors to Grow Faster
Injections of THC, marijuana’s active ingredient, caused transplanted tumors in mice to grow faster, according to a study published recently in The Journal of Immunology (Vol. 165, No. 1). Researchers say they are concerned these results might apply to cancer patients using marijuana or THC to fight nausea from cancer-treatment drugs.

"A potential disadvantage of the medicinal use of THC or cannibis [the marijuana plant] in patients with established cancer is the possible enhancement of tumor growth…," the study authors write.

The researchers, led by Steven M. Dubinett, M.D., of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Medicine, gave injections of THC diluted in salt water to one group of mice with normal immune systems. Other such mice were injected with a solution containing salt water and no THC.

The mice were then injected with lung cancer cells. The tumors then grew faster in mice injected with THC, compared to those injected only with salt water.

Lowers Ability to Fight Cancer Cells

Further tests showed the THC had increased the production of two cell hormones that suppress the immune system’s ability to fight cancer cells and lowered the production of another kind of hormone that helps fight cancer cells.

Although the study authors conclude that THC promotes tumor growth by impairing the immune system, a cancer research expert suggests caution in interpreting the study results.

Dawn Willis, Ph.D., MPH, director of research promotion and communication for the American Cancer Society (ACS),says the study provides useful information but questions whether data from mice can be directly applied to cancer patients.

"In the mouse model, the animals were pre-treated with THC before being injected with tumor cells. That's not the way it happens with patients," she says.

"Most cancer patients already have a compromised immune system because of their disease and because of the immunosuppressive nature of the drugs with which they are treated," Dr. Willis says. "I'm not sure it is possible to extrapolate from the mouse experimental design into the clinical situation."

Researchers Should Take a Closer Look

However, Dr. Willis says the study does suggest that researchers should take a closer look at what happens to the immune system in cancer patients who smoke marijuana or take oral THC to treat nausea. "Researchers must continue to search for new and better methods of relief from the nausea and wasting away from lack of appetite that often accompanies cancer and its treatment."

Dr Willis also agrees with the researchers on another point: that smoking marijuana is risky. "ACS has always been adamant against smoking anything, and tars in marijuana smoke are unquestionably carcinogenic," she says. Previous studies have found that, compared with tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains four times as much tar and higher concentrations of many carcinogens.

The ACS funds about $100 million in cancer research each year, including research on new methods for controlling nausea and eating problems in cancer patients.

Originally posted by AKA
Here's a much more factual documentary about marijuana (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000633SE/qid=1101876295/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-8870327-6277535?v=glance&s=dvd). I recommend it.

I haven't seen that one...thanks!

Originally posted by Fleet
You are lucky. There are many in graveyards who started out believing that marijuana was "harmless."

I still believe marijuana is harmless. I've always known it to be.

I've also always been able to tell the difference between marijuana and drugs that are harmful. That's why I stayed away from them. The same can be said for millions of other marijuana smokers.

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Heh. So marijuana may cause cancer. What's the difference? We're all gonna die from it anyways. Well, 1/4 of us anyway.

Exactly. If I'm going to die, I want to die happy hitting some 'dro, for Christ's sake.

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
I'd say alcohol is even easier to obtain.

Yes, it is a crying shame that alcohol is as easy as obtain as it is. Add to it all the glorifying beer & wine adds on tv...

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
I'd say alcohol is even easier to obtain. Word. :)

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Yes, it is a crying shame that alcohol is as easy as obtain as it is. Add to it all the glorifying beer & wine adds on tv... Alcohol has always been glorified. This isn't just a "TV age" thing. It's been going on for centuries.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Marijuana Ingredient Causes Mice Tumors to Grow Faster
Ingredient in Marijuana Causes Mice Tumors to Grow Faster
Injections of THC, marijuana’s active ingredient, caused transplanted tumors in mice to grow faster, according to a study published recently in The Journal of Immunology (Vol. 165, No. 1). Researchers say they are concerned these results might apply to cancer patients using marijuana or THC to fight nausea from cancer-treatment drugs.

"A potential disadvantage of the medicinal use of THC or cannibis [the marijuana plant] in patients with established cancer is the possible enhancement of tumor growth…," the study authors write.

The researchers, led by Steven M. Dubinett, M.D., of the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Medicine, gave injections of THC diluted in salt water to one group of mice with normal immune systems. Other such mice were injected with a solution containing salt water and no THC.

The mice were then injected with lung cancer cells. The tumors then grew faster in mice injected with THC, compared to those injected only with salt water.

Lowers Ability to Fight Cancer Cells

Further tests showed the THC had increased the production of two cell hormones that suppress the immune system’s ability to fight cancer cells and lowered the production of another kind of hormone that helps fight cancer cells.

Although the study authors conclude that THC promotes tumor growth by impairing the immune system, a cancer research expert suggests caution in interpreting the study results.

Dawn Willis, Ph.D., MPH, director of research promotion and communication for the American Cancer Society (ACS),says the study provides useful information but questions whether data from mice can be directly applied to cancer patients.

"In the mouse model, the animals were pre-treated with THC before being injected with tumor cells. That's not the way it happens with patients," she says.

"Most cancer patients already have a compromised immune system because of their disease and because of the immunosuppressive nature of the drugs with which they are treated," Dr. Willis says. "I'm not sure it is possible to extrapolate from the mouse experimental design into the clinical situation."

Researchers Should Take a Closer Look

However, Dr. Willis says the study does suggest that researchers should take a closer look at what happens to the immune system in cancer patients who smoke marijuana or take oral THC to treat nausea. "Researchers must continue to search for new and better methods of relief from the nausea and wasting away from lack of appetite that often accompanies cancer and its treatment."

Dr Willis also agrees with the researchers on another point: that smoking marijuana is risky. "ACS has always been adamant against smoking anything, and tars in marijuana smoke are unquestionably carcinogenic," she says. Previous studies have found that, compared with tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains four times as much tar and higher concentrations of many carcinogens.

The ACS funds about $100 million in cancer research each year, including research on new methods for controlling nausea and eating problems in cancer patients.

It would be nice if you could tell us where you got that.

My rebuttal: http://www.alternet.org/story/9257

Originally posted by AKA
I still believe marijuana is harmless. I've always known it to be.

I've also always been able to tell the difference between marijuana and drugs that are harmful. That's why I stayed away from them. The same can be said for millions of other marijuana smokers.

I've never believed that marijuana is a "gateway" drug to other harder drugs, but I do believe once a person tries any narcotic, marijuana or other, the tendency is there for them to try something else.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
It would be nice if you could tell us where you got that.

My rebuttal: http://www.alternet.org/story/9257

From the American Cancer Society

cancer.org

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
Exactly. If I'm going to die, I want to die happy hitting some 'dro, for Christ's sake. OMG! :rofl: That deserves a brent smiley!

The real problem isn't the drug or the alcohol. It's the person. Some people will screw up their lives anyway (drugs or no drugs). The majority of people know how to handle their intake and have no problems at all.

Originally posted by MaryElizabeth
OMG! :rofl: That deserves a brent smiley!

Why thank you :D

Originally posted by cheers_rules
I've never believed that marijuana is a "gateway" drug to other harder drugs, but I do believe once a person tries any narcotic, marijuana or other, the tendency is there for them to try something else.

Only if the person already has problems. If drugs weren't available to them, they could start mutilating themselves. Now that doesn't mean we should ban all sharp objects, does it?

It's not the drug. It's the person. Everybody else who takes recreational drugs responsibly shouldn't be punished for it.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
From the American Cancer Society

cancer.org

Since it's very hard for American scientists to obtain marijuana to do studies on it, I'd come nearer to believing the study done in Spain.

Well I've never tried marijuana before. My friends that use it, tell me to not even try it. It probably doesn't directly give you health problems, but obviously it can give you a healthy waste-line with the cravings tied into it.

Not to mention how dumb they look all passing around the bowl among each other. :lol: But then again, maybe they just don't want to share it with me. ;)

I'm sure it's fun, but if I don't feel pressured into trying it, and knowing there aren't any positive effects of its casual use, I'm gonna stay away.

Originally posted by Dutabi84
Well I've never tried marijuana before. My friends that use it, tell me to not even try it. It probably doesn't directly give you health problems, but obviously it can give you a healthy waste-line with the cravings tied into it.

Not to mention how dumb they look all passing around the bowl among each other. :lol: But then again, maybe they just don't want to share it with me. ;)

I'm sure it's fun, but if I don't feel pressured into trying it, and knowing there aren't any positive effects of its casual use, I'm gonna stay away.

The way to use it and avoid the waist line is to run 6 miles every other day like I do! :D

Originally posted by Dutabi84
I'm sure it's fun, but if I don't feel pressured into trying it, and knowing there aren't any positive effects of its casual use, I'm gonna stay away.
It's not "fun," and you are very wise to stay away from it.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
From the American Cancer Society

cancer.org
cheers_rules,

lacey is not going to accept any source you post, so don't bother.

Besides, even though marijuana contains four times as much "tar" as tobacco (which means four times more "tar" is deposited in the lungs) you're dealing with people who think it's a "safe" drug. Completely ignoring the thousands who have had their lives ruined (i.e. in jail or dead) by this "safe" drug.

Originally posted by laceyinthesky
Since it's very hard for American scientists to obtain marijuana to do studies on it, I'd come nearer to believing the study done in Spain.

Over the American Cancer Society?

When I googled it BTW, I did see alot of conflicting data, there haven't been that many tests done, but I have a feeling that Spain, who seems to want to do the tests, will get back some negative results soon. That seems to be the trend from what I found. The UK's first set of tests were ok & then they came back negative.

Originally posted by Tonyd
The way to use it and avoid the waist line is to run 6 miles every other day like I do! :D :lol:

I'm tired as all hell, so I'm going to bed... on a final note, people can believe what they want. Non users can state it causes cancer, smokers can contradict that belief with theirs, I honestly don't care. I know that there is a small risk of smoking pot, but ****, there's a risk crossing the street. Just leave me be with my mary jane and I'm a happy camper.

Originally posted by Tonyd
The way to use it and avoid the waist line is to run 6 miles every other day like I do! :D

I'd rather stick to the 3.3 mile run myself. ;)

Originally posted by Fleet
It's not "fun," and you are very wise to stay away from it.

If you haven't tried it, as I believe you said earlier, how do you know it isn't fun??

Originally posted by Dutabi84
I'd rather stick to the 3.3 mile run myself. ;)

:lol:

Originally posted by Kay Scarpetta
I'm tired as all hell, so I'm going to bed... on a final note, people can believe what they want. Non users can state it causes cancer, smokers can contradict that belief with theirs, I honestly don't care. I know that there is a small risk of smoking pot, but ****, there's a risk crossing the street. Just leave me be with my mary jane and I'm a happy camper. Nite. :bye:

Originally posted by Tonyd
If you haven't tried it, as I believe you said earlier, how do you know it isn't fun??
I don't see being "stoned" as being "fun."