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*Pleasant Tomorrow*
11-08-2004, 07:26 PM
Target cuts the cord on Salvation Army kettles

By BENITA D. NEWTON , The Virginian-Pilot
© October 20, 2004 | Last updated 1:59 PM Oct. 20

The familiar holiday tune of jingling bells and clinking change dropping into Salvation Army kettles won’t be heard this year outside local Target Stores, forcing area commands to look for ways to make up potential lost revenue.

The Minneapolis-based retail giant will no longer allow the Christian charity’s bellringers to collect donations outside its 1,300 stores across the country, citing a need for fairness in its policy that restricts solicitations. Based on last year’s figures, the Target shutout could leave local Salvation Army groups with a $85,000 hole.

About 13 percent of the more than $661,000 in donations that Hampton Roads and Williamsburg Red Kettle bellringers collected in 2003 was received at area Target stores. The Tidewater Area Command, which represents Chesapeake, Norfolk and Virginia Beach, raised $49,000 with its Target kettles last year, nearly a quarter of its $221,000 total, said its spokeswoman Grace Ramos.

The Army uses the money that shoppers deposit in its trademark red kettles to buy Christmas meals and gifts for children, the elderly and the incarcerated, and to fund its food, clothing, shelter, and financial assistance programs throughout the winter months. The Red Kettle program has been in place in Norfolk since 1905.

Ramos said the group hopes that one day Target will allow its bellringers to return to its stores.

“We understand Target’s policy, and we’re happy we were able to do bell ringing there for so many years,” Ramos said. “...We continue to be grateful to Target and its patrons in our community for making a difference in countless lives over the years.”

Target officials said the corporation could no longer continue to make an exception for the Salvation Army and deny other organizations the opportunity.

“We receive an increasing number of solicitation inquiries from nonprofit organizations each year and determined that if we allow the Salvation Army to solicit, then it opens the door to other groups that wish to solicit our guests,” a Target spokesperson said in a written statement. “This decision does not diminish Target Corp.’s commitment to its communities. Target has one of the largest corporate philanthropy programs in America, donating more than $2 million per week and hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours each year.”

The Army will begin its Red Kettle campaign by Nov. 12, and already has more than 120 area malls, grocery stores and retailers signed up.

Popular holiday shopping destinations such as Farm Fresh, Big Lots, ABC Stores and Sam’s Club are still onboard to keep the bells ringing.

Wal-Mart spokesman Dan Fogleman said the big-box retailer’s solicitation policy limits the number of hours and days per year that nonprofits can ask for donations outside its stores, which allows it to give a variety of groups a chance to participate.

“The Salvation Army takes in somewhere around $12 million in front of our stores every year,” Fogleman said. “They’ve become a holiday fixture outside our stores, and we’re very pleased with our partnership with them.”

The commands plan to offset the potential shortfall by increasing its locations and focusing on getting 100 percent volunteer participation, rather than paying people to ring the bells. Ramos said throughout Hampton Roads the commands will need more than 1,450 volunteers this year, almost 500 more than in 2003.

While the situation is challenging, Ramos is confident the community’s support will help the Salvation Army continue to meet it goals.
“The Red Kettle program is a timeless program,” Ramos said, “a tradition that will continue for years to come.”

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=76970&ran=131915

Penny Lane
11-09-2004, 10:07 AM
It's a shame, I know but at my local Meijer store it was getting impossible to even approach the store without being "accosted" on the way in or out by fund raisers.(Some were illigitimate) It was ridiculous! So after many complaints the store banned all fund raisers. And it had to include everybody or there would be lawsuits.
The stores aren't just picking on The Salvation Army. It includes all of them!

It's really too bad , isn't it? :(

Sterling Holobyte
11-09-2004, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Penny Lane
It's a shame, I know but at my local Meijer store it was getting impossible to even approach the store without being "accosted" on the way in or out by fund raisers.(Some were illigitimate) It was ridiculous! So after many complaints the store banned all fund raisers. And it had to include everybody or there would be lawsuits.
The stores aren't just picking on The Salvation Army. It includes all of them!


Yeah, that's Target's "official" explanation, but it also could be just about money. They know that some people don't like the bell-ringers(because they make some people feel a little guilty) and don't want to go past them to go into a store.
They don't bother me. If I don't have the money on hand or just don't feel like contributing at the time, I don't. And I've never been accosted by a Salvation Army bell-ringer to contribute.
Target could have a policy limiting solicitors to one per store, and the other groups couldn't do anything about it! It's only natural to not want to clutter up your front step with solicitors; it wouldn't be good for business, but Target has taken it a step too far I think.
Nice to see Target knows the "true" meaning of Christmas.:thumbsdow

Penny Lane
11-09-2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Sterling Holobyte
Yeah, that's Target's "official" explanation, but it also could be just about money. They know that some people don't like the bell-ringers(because they make some people feel a little guilty) and don't want to go past them to go into a store.
They don't bother me. If I don't have the money on hand or just don't feel like contributing at the time, I don't. And I've never been accosted by a Salvation Army bell-ringer to contribute.
Target could have a policy limiting solicitors to one per store, and the other groups couldn't do anything about it! It's only natural to not want to clutter up your front step with solicitors; it wouldn't be good for business, but Target has taken it a step too far I think.
Nice to see Target knows the "true" meaning of Christmas.:thumbsdow

Um............. The true meaning of Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. My, how that has been perverted!
But I do know where you are coming from. And I know from first hand experience of being bothered by soliciter's in parking lots. You are correct. The Salvation Army never chased after contibutions and I always gave willingly to them. They did it right.

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
11-09-2004, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by Sterling Holobyte

Nice to see Target knows the "true" meaning of Christmas.:thumbsdow Mmhmm. People shouldn't be feeling bad seeing those bell ringers because they should be giving money and helping. I'm not all too religious, so the meaning of Christmas to me is to help others and be with family. Kind of a closeness holiday. If more fortunate people can't help those who arnt, then I hope some alien destroys our planet.

Sterling Holobyte
11-09-2004, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Penny Lane
Um............. The true meaning of Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ.
I know, I was being sarcastic. :wave:

Rebel Queen 1980
11-09-2004, 11:18 PM
I give to the Salvation Army sometimes,I like their motto
'' Need Knows No Season.'',that's true.Target should still
allow them to do the bell ringing.Everyone deserves a
good Christmas, Even the less fortunate

Penny Lane
11-10-2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Sterling Holobyte
I know, I was being sarcastic. :wave:

:lol: :wave:

Moonlight Lady
11-10-2004, 02:07 PM
I could understand Target not wanting them outside their store if the Salvation Army were hounding people for money. They don't do that.

It's always nice if you can or want to donate some change, maybe a dollar or two and i'm sure it's greatly appreciated. However, you're not required to give them money.

Liza
11-10-2004, 06:58 PM
I used to ring the bell outside a Kmart store for the Salvation Army. We never hounded anybody - of course not. We'd just say "Thank you" or "Merry Christmas" when somebody gave, that's it. It's not a fun job - standing out in the cold for hours ringing a stupid bell - but it was for a good cause.

I have my own issues with the Salvation Army right now, but I don't need to go into that.

Moonlight Lady
11-10-2004, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by Liza
I used to ring the bell outside a Kmart store for the Salvation Army. We never hounded anybody - of course not. We'd just say "Thank you" or "Merry Christmas" when somebody gave, that's it. It's not a fun job - standing out in the cold for hours ringing a stupid bell - but it was for a good cause.

I have my own issues with the Salvation Army right now, but I don't need to go into that.

I sent an email to target saying how disappointed I was in them for doing this. I doubt they'll respond, but, I made myself heard.

Kitt
11-10-2004, 07:31 PM
I haven't followed all of this thread so please excuse me if I missed the jist.

The Salvation Army charms us with their bell ringing outside of the post office in my town. That's fine, I suppose, but it does get old when you check your mail everyday or so. The constant turnover of bell ringers can't know that you've all ready given blood. I generally dread passing by them. The poor souls are usually freezing and bored and wouldn't have taken this "job" if they didn't need it really, really badly. It's not an uplifting thing to witness.

None of that has much to do with Targets crap though. Screw Target. They make billions off of all of us. They should not only be able to put up with, but they should appreciate the few weeks that the Salvation Army honors them by adorning their front doors and asking us to contribute to someone other than TARGET.

Liza
11-10-2004, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Kitt
The poor souls are usually freezing and bored and wouldn't have taken this "job" if they didn't need it really, really badly. It's not an uplifting thing to witness.

It's usually a volunteer job - I always did it for free.

Kitt
11-10-2004, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Liza
It's usually a volunteer job - I always did it for free. Very commendable Em.:) I'll bet you charmed folks out of their shoes AND their socks.;) SA was lucky to have you helpin' out.!

Penny Lane
11-10-2004, 08:27 PM
Kind of off topic................. My grandma stipulated in her will that a portion of her money was to be donated to the local "Soup Kitchen " every Thanksgiving because she remembered what it was like to be poor during the Depression. She couldn't live(or die) with the vision of people going hungry. Especially on Thanksgiving Day. So my Mom(who inherited what little that she had) always sends a donation to them every year in her name. I think that it is great tribute to my Grandma. Oh, how I miss her!:(

Kitt
11-10-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Penny Lane
I think that it is great tribute to my Grandma. Oh, how I miss her!:( I think so too, Marlene.:)

Penny Lane
11-10-2004, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by Kitt
I think so too, Marlene.:)

Thanks Kitt!:wave:

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
11-10-2004, 09:54 PM
Originally posted by Penny Lane
Kind of off topic................. My grandma stipulated in her will that a portion of her money was to be donated to the local "Soup Kitchen " every Thanksgiving because she remembered what it was like to be poor during the Depression. She couldn't live(or die) with the vision of people going hungry. Especially on Thanksgiving Day. So my Mom(who inherited what little that she had) always sends a donation to them every year in her name. I think that it is great tribute to my Grandma. Oh, how I miss her!:( I'm sorry :(

And that's a really nice thing to do. :)

Moonlight Lady
11-11-2004, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by ~*Twist Of Kate*~
I sent an email to target saying how disappointed I was in them for doing this. I doubt they'll respond, but, I made myself heard.

This is email I got from them.
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Dear Katie,

Thank you for contacting us about the Salvation Army.

Target Corporation has decided that the Salvation Army will no longer be
able to solicit guests for contributions at our stores. Like most national
retailers, we have a long-standing 'no solicitation' policy in place at our
stores. We did not reach this decision easily and carefully evaluated all
options before coming to this conclusion. Target communicated the decision
to the national Salvation Army in January 2004 in hopes that it would be
early enough for them to find alternative sources for the upcoming holiday
season.

One of our goals has always been to provide our guests with a
distraction-free shopping environment in which to shop. Each year we
receive an increasing number of solicitation inquiries from non-profit
organizations. We determined that if we continue to allow the Salvation
Army to solicit, then it opens the door to other groups that wish to
solicit our guests.

This "no solicitation" policy does not diminish our commitment to our
communities. Target donates more than $2 million each week to neighborhoods
we serve across the country. Target respects and admires the work and the
mission of the Salvation Army and we have encouraged Salvation Army
chapters to apply for grants at local Target Stores. We thank you for your
interest in this issue and will make your comments available to our
executives.

Sincerely,

Jennifer Hanson
Target Executive Offices
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Well that would be great if what she said is true. I'm skeptical though.