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Janice
10-19-2004, 05:00 PM
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041019/D85QNO3G0.html

NBC Seeks Footing Without 'Friends'

NEW YORK (AP) - Minus "Friends" or any big breakout hits, NBC has stumbled out of the starting gate this TV season. The once proud peacock lost again last week in the only ratings battle it cares about, among the 18-to-49-year-old demographic that advertisers seek, Nielsen Media Research said Tuesday.

That makes four losses in four weeks of the new TV season. It's an unaccustomed spot for NBC, which dominated this demo for the last four seasons, and eight out of the last nine, and has taken in the most advertising revenue as a result.

It's still early, but NBC ranks third this fall behind CBS and a resurgent ABC among all viewers and among the youthful demographic.

"They've lost some of their core properties and now they have to struggle the way everyone has to struggle when they lose their core properties," said Stacey Lynn Koerner, a television analyst for Initiative Media. The last episodes of "Friends" and "Frasier" aired in May.

Matt LeBlanc's new "Joey" is the classic good news-bad news case for NBC.

With its 13.4 million viewers last week, it was television's third most popular sitcom behind "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "Two and a Half Men." It's the top-rated new sitcom.

Yet the "Joey" ratings are 34 percent off what "Friends" was doing at the same point last year. Combine that with a 14 percent drop for "The Apprentice" and longtime hit "ER" now losing its time slot to CBS's "Without a Trace," and you've got some problems on Thursday, traditionally television's most profitable night.

Other networks' hits have also taken their toll on NBC. The network shelved its new drama "Hawaii" after it tanked in the same time slot as ABC's hit "Lost." NBC is moving another new show, "LAX," into that slot.

Meanwhile, "Law & Order" is down 21 percent in the ratings now that it is competing against CBS's "CSI: NY." ABC's "Desperate Housewives," the season's biggest freshman hit with 20.9 million viewers Sunday, has caused the ratings to fade for NBC's "Law & Order: Criminal Intent."

NBC is down 8 percent from last year among all viewers, and 10 percent among viewers aged 18 to 49, while ABC and CBS is up in both categories, Nielsen Media Research said.

NBC is "not doing any worse than we expected them to be," said Steve Sternberg, television analyst for ad buyers Magna Global. "We expected them to be down. The surprise is how well ABC is doing."

It's ABC that has the water-cooler shows, even though NBC had three weeks of Olympics to promote its new programming. With the exception of "The Apprentice" earlier this year, the buzz hasn't been following NBC often enough.

"It's been a slowly building situation," Koerner said, "and there's a lot of pressure on them to come up with something that will work."

On the bright side, the pilot episode for "The Office" - expected in midseason - is hilarious, she said. NBC also has high hopes for some of its reality programming, like "The $25 Million Hoax," which has a woman lying to her family about winning a lottery.

In a week where baseball's postseason boosted Fox, CBS averaged 12.9 million viewers (8.5 rating, 14 share), Fox had 11.8 million (7.7, 12), NBC 10.2 million (6.7, 11), ABC 10 million (6.5, 11), the WB 4 million (2.6, 4), UPN 3.7 million (2.5, 4) and Pax TV 490,000 (0.3, 1).

NBC's "Nightly News" won the evening news ratings race, averaging 10 million viewers (7.6, 14). ABC's "World News Tonight" had 8.9 million viewers (6.9, 13) and the "CBS Evening News" had 6.9 million (4.9, 10).

A ratings point represents 1,096,000 households, or 1 percent of the nation's estimated 109.6 million TV homes. The share is the percentage of in-use televisions tuned to a given show.

For the week of Oct. 11-17. the top 10 shows, their networks and viewerships: "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation," CBS, 28.9 million; "CSI: Miami," CBS, 21.9 million; "Desperate Housewives," ABC, 20.9 million; "Without a Trace," CBS, 19.4 million; "Survivor: Vanuatu," CBS, 19.2 million; "Lost," ABC, 18.2 million; "Everybody Loves Raymond," CBS, 18 million; "Two and a Half Men," CBS, 17.2 million; "ER," NBC, 16.8 million; "60 Minutes," CBS, 16.5 million.

slackermonkey
10-19-2004, 05:28 PM
So NBC expects to regain viewership with Americanized British sitcoms and reality shows?

No wonder they're losing viewers.

barwars
10-19-2004, 06:17 PM
Keep Saturday Night Live, Joey and Scrubs.... and I'll be happy.

TJL
10-19-2004, 07:16 PM
NBC should have been preparing for the departure of "Friends" and "Frasier" a few seasons ago, rather than relying on reality shows and "supersized" episodes to plug the holes in thier lineup.

Oh yeah, and I still am laughing my ass off over the faliure of "Coupling" last season.

;)

Dean Winchester
10-19-2004, 08:03 PM
why does NBC wanna keep doing reality?

we're finally gettng rid of Reality TV, NBC needs to get over it. Reality is a cancer on the face of television

snl75
10-19-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by barwars
Keep Saturday Night Live, Joey and Scrubs.... and I'll be happy. me too

snl75
10-19-2004, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by TJL
NBC should have been preparing for the departure of "Friends" and "Frasier" a few seasons ago, rather than relying on reality shows and "supersized" episodes to plug the holes in thier lineup.

Oh yeah, and I still am laughing my ass off over the faliure of "Coupling" last season.

;) i agree with you 100 percent and about the coupling mess im laughing right along with you thats what jeff zucker gets for thinking we who watched his network were stupid morons you know what they say about payback.

barwars
10-19-2004, 08:37 PM
I still can't get over the fact that they have only 4 sitcoms.... one of which will most likely be finishing off this May.

I think all of the Big 3 networks should have at least 8 sitcoms....

4 on CBS Mondays
4 on NBC Tuesdays
4 on ABC Tuesdays
4 on CBS Wednesdays
4 on NBC Thursdays
4 on ABC Fridays

barwars
10-19-2004, 08:47 PM
Another thing I don't understand is why NBC wouldn't go for the proposed Frasier spinoff.

And if they kept Watching Ellie in its original format, I think it would have been a hit.

AtlantaBravesFan29
10-19-2004, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
why does NBC wanna keep doing reality?

we're finally gettng rid of Reality TV, NBC needs to get over it. Reality is a cancer on the face of television I agree with you 100%.

In fact,why does any other network wants to keep showing reality shows?? There are too many of them.

spunkygirl
10-19-2004, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by BravesFan2004
I agree with you 100%.

In fact,why does any other network wants to keep showing reality shows?? There are too many of them.

I have to say that too many reality shows might make people sick of them faster. It's like being force fed something poisonous. ;)

spunkygirl
10-19-2004, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by slackermonkey
So NBC expects to regain viewership with Americanized British sitcoms and reality shows?

No wonder they're losing viewers.

:nod: Yep, they don't seem to understand that they're pushing viewers away, instead of drawing them in. Honestly how many new reality shows have lasted? Hardly any.

slackermonkey
10-19-2004, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by barwars
I still can't get over the fact that they have only 4 sitcoms.... one of which will most likely be finishing off this May.

Which one? "Will & Grace" or "Father of the Pride?" I know it's not "Scrubs" or "Joey."

barwars
10-19-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by slackermonkey
Which one? "Will & Grace" or "Father of the Pride?" I know it's not "Scrubs" or "Joey."

I've heard that this may be the final season for W&G.
I hope not, I've just begun to like the show.

slackermonkey
10-19-2004, 09:49 PM
So have I, thanks to the DVDs.

I thought it was "W&G" you were talking about, but some people have been saying that "Father of the Pride" will be gone by the end of the year. It's an awful show, but not doing badly enough to get canceled.

barwars
10-19-2004, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by slackermonkey
So have I, thanks to the DVDs.

I thought it was "W&G" you were talking about, but some people have been saying that "Father of the Pride" will be gone by the end of the year. It's an awful show, but not doing badly enough to get canceled.

The DVDs are what got me into the show too, actually. I got Season 3 for free, now I want Season 1 and Season 2.


About FOTP, I think it may be cancelled because it costs too much to make. If it were a cheaper to produce, then maybe it would stay it.

slackermonkey
10-19-2004, 10:02 PM
Didn't I hear that NBC renewed "Pride" for a second season of 22 more episodes, or is my subconscious making that up?

I personally don't think it will be around longer than three seasons.

db108108
10-19-2004, 11:36 PM
FOTH hasn't even been renewed for this season yet. A few additional scripts have been ordered, but given the cost and that it's not drawing that big, I doubt it'll be on next year. Even "Scrubs" is outdrawing it.

As for Watching Ellie, NBC really screwed that one up. I was actually excited at the thought of a second season until it premiered and NBC made it just like very other sitcom on the air, only with fewer, dumber laughs. NBC really deserves everything it has coming to it.

barwars
10-20-2004, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by Riff
NBC needs it more than it needs NBC.

One of the creators (who admittedly is on poor terms with Mother Zucker thanks to the lawsuit) said he wanted it to run until 2007, and given that NBC owns it and reaps most of the syndication profits, I see no reason why it won't.

That's good news.

slackermonkey
10-20-2004, 07:55 PM
If it can maintain quality up to that point.

Chambers
10-20-2004, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by slackermonkey
If it can maintain quality up to that point.

I'm already upset with how the writing on W&G has declined. The first three seasons were good, but after that the show seemed like a parody of itself.

slackermonkey
10-20-2004, 08:26 PM
I thought it was fine until the fourth. People think it's just the overuse of guest stars that's making it suck, but I'll bet the producers have used so many guest stars to cover up how terrible the show has become.

CliffClavin
10-21-2004, 11:44 AM
TV AUDIENCES DECIDE REALITY BITES

By HOLLY M. SANDERS

October 15, 2004 -- Tired of swapping wives, eating cockroaches and getting fired? So, apparently, is the rest of America.
A fall season with a glut of reality shows has led to several cancellations, weak entrants and — more disturbing for network executives — declines for established programs, according to Steve Sternberg, executive vice president and director of audience analysis at Magna Global USA.

NBC's "The Apprentice," the megahit featuring real-estate magnate Donald Trump, has witnessed a decline in ratings in its second season, along with returning shows "The Bachelor" and "Fear Factor."

"The danger in relying too much on reality shows, unlike scripted series, is you never know when it's going to suddenly decline," Sternberg wrote in a new report.

The fall prime-time season is packed with more reality shows than ever, with 10 more hours of un- scripted programming compared with last year, according to Sternberg's analysis.

And, for the first time, the major broadcast networks devoted fewer hours to comedies, dramas and other scripted programs.

At the same time, though, several new scripted shows are actually among the most-watched shows on TV for the first time in years.

Newcomers to the reality genre including the "The Benefactor," "The Complex: Malibu," and "Renovate My Family" have failed to catch on with audiences.

Meanwhile, ABC has two bona fide scripted hits on its hands with campy melodrama "Desperate Housewives" and "Lost," about a group of airline travelers stranded on a desert island.

And CBS has continued to build on its successful CSI franchise with the debut of "CSI: NY."
Courtesy of NY Post Online



I wish we could go back about 10 or 11 years when the networks weren't full of this reality crap. Now TBS is going to be full of reality shows.... :mad:!!!

barwars
10-21-2004, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by CliffClavin
I wish we could go back about 10 or 11 years when the networks weren't full of this reality crap. Now TBS is going to be full of reality shows.... :mad:!!!

that has practically nothing to do with this topic.

CliffClavin
10-21-2004, 02:55 PM
Well Sor---ry ! :lol: :rolleyes:



























:lol:

ClassicComedyFan2
10-21-2004, 09:32 PM
One thing that NBC did right was the Olympics--spreading it out across multiple network with hundreds of hours of coverage was sheer brilliance and should be done for every Olympics!!

Now, onto NBC's other stuff...er...um...nothing of interest. Seriously, NBC needs a show with a little creativity. Reality TV is dying, and crude fodder like Father of the Pride and weak CSI ripoffs like Hawaii and Medical Investigation aren't going to cut it.

Mr. Television
10-21-2004, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by ClassicComedyFan2
One thing that NBC did right was the Olympics--spreading it out across multiple network with hundreds of hours of coverage was sheer brilliance and should be done for every Olympics!!

Now, onto NBC's other stuff...er...um...nothing of interest. Seriously, NBC needs a show with a little creativity. Reality TV is dying, and crude fodder like Father of the Pride and weak CSI ripoffs like Hawaii and Medical Investigation aren't going to cut it. And now they're going to rip off Desperate Housewives. I don't think anyone at NBC has an original idea.

TJL
10-22-2004, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by mr roper
And now they're going to rip off Desperate Housewives. I don't think anyone at NBC has an original idea.

Good call. I woudn't be surprised if we see a clone of that breakout hit sometime this spring.

slackermonkey
10-22-2004, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Riff
That's an unreasonable unexpectation. It hasn't maintained quality up to this point.

Or any point.

That's the same point I was trying to make. It hasn't been able to maintain quality for the past three or four seasons (I thought at least the first three were fine, nowhere near classic, but a nice way to waste 30 mins), so it would only be good news for me if it were able to get back to its roots and stop sucking.

db108108
10-22-2004, 10:11 PM
NBC's decline is sad, because they used to one of the only networks with imagination. They created shows like Friends, Seinfeld and ER- shows which were widely copied with no success for years.

dawsongirl
10-23-2004, 01:12 AM
:lol: Nice to see NBC fall of its egotistical pedistal.

dawsongirl
10-23-2004, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by mr roper
And now they're going to rip off Desperate Housewives. I don't think anyone at NBC has an original idea.

They are? LAME. NBC has never heard of plagurism apparently.

db108108
10-23-2004, 03:43 AM
They certainly knew what it was when the sued Fox over "The next Great Champ."

To be fair to NBC, apparently, the script is 7 years old and is similar in premise to DH, so it's not really plagarism, just trying to cash in.