Whcih Network Do you Think has made the Best family Sitcoms?

I have to go with ABC , for HOME IMPROVEMENT , 8 SIMPLE RULES , and I suppose BOY MEETS WORLD.

ABC: Who's the Boss?, Growing Pains, Hanging with Mr. Cooper, Boy Meets World, the Wonder Years.

ABC had alot of great family sitcoms, the last great one they had was BMW :D

I would have to say ABC. They gave us The Brady Bunch, Home Improvement, Leave It To Beaver, and The Wonder Years.

ABC I guess

Over the years, it has definitely been ABC by far.

FOX gave us the best family sitcom- THE SIMPSONS! :D

Originally posted by Sideshow Kristen
FOX gave us the best family sitcom- THE SIMPSONS! :D Is The Simpsons really a family sitcom?

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
ABC: Who's the Boss?, Growing Pains, Hanging with Mr. Cooper, Boy Meets World, the Wonder Years.

ABC had alot of great family sitcoms, the last great one they had was BMW :D Dont forget Full House

Originally posted by RurryMicelli
Is The Simpsons really a family sitcom?

it's a show about a family, so technically it is :) I actually prefer shows about families that don't rely on sap and cuteness factors

Originally posted by barwars
BMW was after Full House, not to mention 10 times better because it knew its audience wasn't a bunch of idiots.

:nod: :D

Originally posted by barwars
True, but then again -- is All in the Family considered a family sitcom??

Or Frasier??

sure why not? As is Arrested Development. I like sitcoms revolving around families, but not so much sitcoms that dumb down so a 7 year old can watch it and the parents won't be worried (ala Full House and most of the current batch of Disney shows)

I think The Simpsons would have to count as a family sitcom (unlike All in the Family and AD) because it really can be enjoyed by people of all ages, people of all IQ levels.

Originally posted by barwars
Because, unless you're a genius, a 4 year old could never appreciate something like All in the Family, Frasier and ESPECIALLY Arrested Development.

I'm sure Stewie Griffin can and he's only a year old :D

Originally posted by barwars
Very true.
Although the smarter the viewer -- the funnier the show. (in The Simpsons case of course)

Exactly.

Originally posted by barwars
Im probably the only FG fan that thinks so.... but Stewie was the bad seed of the Griffin family.
I didnt really like him.

I don't love FG, but I'd like it a lot more if there were no Stewie.

Originally posted by barwars
I never found his "ohh lets take over the world" thing funny.

One of the only characters who could pull that off was the Brain, from Pinky and the Brain. Stewie is an amateur.

Originally posted by RurryMicelli
Dont forget Full House

Me too. ABC used to have the best family sitcoms around during the TGIF lineup. I also chose NBC because back in the old days of radio, NBC used to have shows that it was on the radio at the time before TV came along. One of the best radio sitcoms of the 40's during the golden years of NBC was "The Great Gildersleeve", "The Aldrich Family" and "The Life of Riley".

ABC, you've named all the family sitcoms basicly lol

but i have to say "Reba" on the WB is great

saying "The Simpsons" is a family series is like saying "Married With Children" is, sorry but they arn't, they might be sitcoms based on families, but family sitcoms are ones a family can watch together IMO Simpsons is not one of them.

Originally posted by barwars
BMW was after Full House, not to mention 10 times better because it knew its audience wasn't a bunch of idiots. :eek: Im not an idiot :crying:
Actully I do like BMW a little better than Full House

Originally posted by barwars
I like FH too, but if someone were to honestly tell me its a smart show, they're either naive, biased, or just plain stupid.
And about liking BMW over FH, you're a wise man RurryMicelli. Wise man. I sure am ;) :p :lol:

Originally posted by gOoSe
saying "The Simpsons" is a family series is like saying "Married With Children" is, sorry but they arn't, they might be sitcoms based on families, but family sitcoms are ones a family can watch together IMO Simpsons is not one of them.

I used to watch episodes of The Simpsons with my parents when I was about 10-11.

Originally posted by gOoSe
saying "The Simpsons" is a family series is like saying "Married With Children" is, sorry but they arn't, they might be sitcoms based on families, but family sitcoms are ones a family can watch together IMO Simpsons is not one of them.

:rock: :yourock: :nod: props:

Originally posted by James
:rock: :yourock: :nod: props:

out of curiousity, why do you hate The Simpsons so badly? The show started a whole invasion on tv, perhaps some of the only shows on television that are currently fresh or interesting AT ALL in this era of reality tv. If it wasn't for The Simpsons, when it comes to comedy, we'd be stuck with garbage like Full House.

Most of us who were kids when the show started watched it, so I don't see how it's NOT a family show. When the Simpsons started, it was geared to kids... and then it got more and more adult.

in what world was it geared to kids? lol

in what world was it geared to kids? lol

The reason I hate the simpsons so much , although I have been no part of this argument , is because It is getting worse , you gotta know when to stop. 16 Series is it now? Bart Simpson has been in the same grade for 15 Seasons , Each episode must represent 1 day!

Originally posted by gOoSe
in what world was it geared to kids? lol

If you're talking about the Simpsons, it was def. a kids show when it first came out :)

out of curiousity, why do you hate The Simpsons so badly?
The show started a whole invasion on tv, perhaps some of the only shows on television that are currently fresh or interesting AT ALL in this era of reality tv.

I used to watch it when it came out (I guess I was a bandwagoner myself back in the day), but today I do not like the glorification of violence--the Itchy and Scratchyland episode in October 1994 was the first thing that gave me the desire to stop watching. I'll take Tom and Jerry--a REAL cartoon--any day (granted, it had some violence). Also, the X-Files (a show I never liked, BTW) spoof in January 1997 with Burns singing Oliver's "Good Morning Starshine" was pretty much the nail in the coffin. I don't understand why the media still praise this long worn out show.

One thing I read recently is that the Simpsons in one episode traveled to Dayton, Ohio (where I live!), but the local newspaper made no mention of it whatsoever. Just goes to show you ...

If it wasn't for The Simpsons, when it comes to comedy, we'd be stuck with garbage like Full House.

Full House is better IMHO. Not as good as Leave It To Beaver or Green Acres, mind you! Call me nostalgic!

James, if you think there's glorification of violence on The Simpsons, then you don't get it. It makes fun of the glorification of violence in a way that'll actually make the audience think.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
If you're talking about the Simpsons, it was def. a kids show when it first came out :)

very true, I was in the fourth grade when Simpsons premiered in the 1989-1990 tv season. Everyone in my class loved the show. Some parents thought Bart was a bad role model for children, but still that first year (and maybe even the second) The Simpsons was mostly popular with kids... and then parents and other adults started watching the show, and as the balance in it's fanbase shifted, the show became more and more adult. But when the series originally started, it's following was mostly kids. There was the "Do The Bartman" music video and everything.

Bart items were everywhere and the items were basically ones for kids... whereas now a lot of the Simpson merchandice are ones adults can enjoy as well. I think the show shifted around season 3 when Homer replaced Bart as the true breakout character of the show.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
If you're talking about the Simpsons, it was def. a kids show when it first came out :)

no it wasnt i remember very well. it was always ment for an older crowd but kids tuned it. that doesnt make it one.. I remember one episode Bart went to a bar and bent over smacking his butt. yeah that's a great kids show,

anyways, EW refers to Simpsons as an "all age" cartoon, where as they don't FOTP, please.. That's bull. There is NO way FOTP is any worse with sexual jokes and whatnot

Originally posted by gOoSe
no it wasnt i remember very well. it was always ment for an older crowd but kids tuned it. that doesnt make it one.. I remember one episode Bart went to a bar and bent over smacking his butt. yeah that's a great kids show,

anyways, EW refers to Simpsons as an "all age" cartoon, where as they don't FOTP, please.. That's bull. There is NO way FOTP is any worse with sexual jokes and whatnot

well, I think when they say "All Age", they mean it's a cartoon that ADULTS can also enjoy. Something like Pokemon really doesn't have a hardcore adult fanbase... while you'll see plenty of people in their 20's and 30's who have no children that are huge Simpsons fans.

Sorry, I'm lost. What's EW and FOTP?

Originally posted by gOoSe
no it wasnt i remember very well. it was always ment for an older crowd but kids tuned it. that doesnt make it one.. I remember one episode Bart went to a bar and bent over smacking his butt. yeah that's a great kids show,

anyways, EW refers to Simpsons as an "all age" cartoon, where as they don't FOTP, please.. That's bull. There is NO way FOTP is any worse with sexual jokes and whatnot

Sorry but I remember it well too, I was going into high school when the Simpsons came out, almost everyone I knew was watching, that includes their young siblings. It was very much targeted at young kids.

Originally posted by barwars
Im fairly sure "Entertainment Weekly" and "Father of the Pride"
Ive very good with acronyms you SOB.

Thanks. But...what does SOB mean??????????

( :mad: )

Originally posted by barwars
Anything animated will attract kids.
But thanks to The Simpsons, it was the first animated series that both adults and children could enjoy equally since The Flinstones nearly 30 years early.

:nod: very true, I remember that ALOT of very young kids adored the Simpsons when they first came out, that included my young nieces and nephews. :)

Originally posted by Chambers
Thanks. But...what does SOB mean??????????

( :mad: )

:lol:

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Sorry but I remember it well too, I was going into high school when the Simpsons came out, almost everyone I knew was watching, that includes their young siblings. It was very much targeted at young kids.

that still doesnt make it one, *whistles*

because if it does then Beavis & Butthead was kids/family toon wasnt it? Kid shows like BMW might of referenced it (along with kids watching) but it's another case of a cartoon not ment for kids

it's kinda like X-Rated Material, it's not ment for kids but yet they watch or view it. obviously simpsons isnt that bad lol but i think you get what i mean

In my mind, A Family Sitcom is one a family can watch TOGETHER and was MADE for the the family.

Originally posted by gOoSe
that still doesnt make it one, *whistles*

because if it does then Beavis & Butthead was kids/family toon wasnt it? Kid shows like BMW might of referenced it (along with kids watching) but it's another case of a cartoon not ment for kids

it's kinda like X-Rated Material, it's not ment for kids but yet they watch or view it. obviously simpsons isnt that bad lol but i think you get what i mean

In my mind, A Family Sitcom is one a family can watch TOGETHER and was MADE for the the family.

You can't compare Beavis & Butthead to The Simpsons. B&B was made for the MTV generation - it may be fun, but it's hardly a "good" show that attracts people of all ages.

The Simpsons is great family viewing. It has several layers of humor. The kids like its cartoonish humor, its physical comedy, etc. The adults appreciate the depth of the show and its sophisticated humor. In just one scene, Homer gets his head stuck in the banister while Lisa quotes Pablo Nerruda (well, I don't quite remember what the scene was like, but it was something like that). There's something for everybody in that show. Even if you don't get all of it, you'll still be able to enjoy it. That's why it's perfect for families.

uh yeah i can.. Because NEITHER WERE MENT FOR KIDS!! The MTV Generation weren't exactly 11 year olds
shesh

B&B was made for the MTV generation - that is, teenagers and young adults.

The Simpsons was NOT made just for the MTV generation.


Matt Groening's thoughts:
"There's plenty of great, very funny stuff being done for immature adults, but there's nothing smart and funny for kids out there."


He created a show that could appeal to kids and adults. For me, that's what a family sitcom is. Not just a show that appeals to kids - but one that also appeals to adults.

young adults are OLDER than 11 year olds. and im talking about the MTV generation back then, in the early 90's.

Family shows are created for the family and if its a true family show most families won't get offended. PERIOD!

Now show me something in the simpsons besides the creator's thughts that can prove it has plenty of kid and adult material. Not just adult material. Then maybe i'll agree.

Originally posted by gOoSe
Now show me something in the simpsons besides the creator's thughts that can prove it has plenty of kid and adult material. Not just adult material. Then maybe i'll agree.

watch most of the first 2 seasons... there's a lot of episodes from the first two seasons that families could enjoy. Bart going into the "gifted school", the first Christmas episode, the Call Of The Wild Simpsons episode, Bart The General is a good show about kids standing up to bullies, several others. Kids and Parents can enjoy those episodes, but on different levels.

I actually wrote an analytical essay in high school about how The Simpsons was a better family show than Full House. How I wish I still had that file.

First Two Seasons huh? Maybe..
I suppose it's kinda like 7th Heaven - a family show that grew into a show about who's sleeping with who for a season. But now it's coming around..

Unfortuantly i have seen more jokes in "Simpsons" that are not exactly fun for the whole family. I just do not see the Simpsons as a family show at all.

But we all have different views on what a family sitcom really is don't we?

Originally posted by gOoSe
First Two Seasons huh? Maybe..
I suppose it's kinda like 7th Heaven - a family show that grew into a show about who's sleeping with who for a season. But now it's coming around..

Unfortuantly i have seen more jokes in "Simpsons" that are not exactly fun for the whole family. I just do not see the Simpsons as a family show at all.

But we all have different views on what a family sitcom really is don't we?

just out of curiousity, do you dislike The Simpsons, or do you just think it's not a show for kids? I mean, I love a lot of shows but I also agree children have no place watching something like Sex And The City or Buffy.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
just out of curiousity, do you dislike The Simpsons, or do you just think it's not a show for kids? I mean, I love a lot of shows but I also agree children have no place watching something like Sex And The City or Buffy.

it depends with me and the simpsons, on certain episodes i like it and others i dont. but im not a true hater (or at least don't mean to be lol) and im not a lover/follower of it either.

I just don't think it's something for kids, or at least not anymore.

Originally posted by barwars
You can hate The Simpsons, and you can think its the coming of the devil.
But PLEASE, PLEASE, don't compare it to 7th Heaven.
Now THERES a show that a family can enjoy.... if they have bad taste.

:mad: Hey now I love 7th Heaven and I don't have bad taste. You should give it a second try, it's really not that bad :p :p

Too late i already compared, Because frankly, they did go off the beaten path in a negative way IMO


now i thought you liked BMW?

Originally posted by barwars
Ohh no, it is.
And as for your taste, ha.
BMW, WTB?, Cheers, Wings.... how about something funny for a change?!

:p :p

What do you suggest for funny Frasier? :rolleyes:

;)

Originally posted by barwars
that was low.















ohh, and gOoSe, I like all of those series.

But about 7th Heaven, :barf: Its Full House without the ever so rare comedy. Bad acting and even worse writing, plenty of my friends like/liked it, as does my younger brother and mother, but still.... its trash IMO.



:( I'm sorry I was only teasing :(

Originally posted by barwars
But about 7th Heaven, :barf: Its Full House without the ever so rare comedy. Bad acting and even worse writing, plenty of my friends like/liked it, as does my younger brother and mother, but still.... its trash IMO.

I agree 100%. Plus, I think the show is preachy

It's not trash but if you feel everyone is always targeting you with a message than i can see why you don't like it.

Originally posted by barwars
Well I Wasnt!




damn, Im so f*cking sick of the damn sarcasm on these boards.

my apologies, I won't say any more :(

Originally posted by barwars
damn, Im so f*cking sick of the damn sarcasm on these boards.

said the King of Sarcasm.

The day barwars actually does get mad at me...I'll just interpret it as sarcasm.

Originally posted by barwars
Then you've been interpreting plenty of sarcasm.

And so have you.

Originally posted by barwars
damn, bested again. (that IS a word, right?)


Another point for Chambers.
And yes, it is.

Originally posted by barwars
barwars -- 485943674396
Chambers -- 4, maybe 5, I lost count.

tsk tsk tsk...tampering with the scores...
Classic sign of insecurity.

Originally posted by barwars
My mistake, the 8 key has been stuck, it should read....

barwars -- 488594367439

Is that number supposed to denote your score...or the size of the EGO?

Originally posted by barwars
If I wasn't too lazy to check, I can prove it.

Ok ok, we've already taken up a whole page of this thread...let's just end this and declare Chambers the winner.

This is a whole new round.

Chambers: 1
barwars: ZERO.

Originally posted by barwars
Angela, Angela, Angela.... you have so much to learn. Im the last person to complain about sarcasm.
Im kind of ashamed in a way.

these darn boards, sometimes it's hard to tell when someone's being sarcastic or not :crazy: :lol:

Originally posted by Chambers
said the King of Sarcasm.

:lol:

:eek: You two and your avatars, I keep thinking he's you and you're him :lol:

Originally posted by barwars
haha, I could never hate you. (well.... maybe)
After all, if I did.... Id want the name back. :p

:eek: Not the name, it's mine for keeps :p

I could never hate you either(well on second thought ;) :p )

Originally posted by barwars
haha, I wont say mines any better -- because she made them both, so I loose either way, but still.... I get a kickass avatar.

I actually like yours better. But I have the generous soul of an artist and believe in sharing my art with "the people." That or I'm a complete moron.

Originally posted by Chambers
I actually like yours better. But I have the generous soul of an artist and believe in sharing my art with "the people." That or I'm a complete moron.

They're both awesome, I just have to look at the name to make sure I'm responding to the right person :lol:

Originally posted by barwars
Ive had the same problem with you and RurryMicelli.... and your names are almost alike too.
(this was back when you both had Cory and Topanga pics, in fact -- I think he had one exactly like one you had)

:lol: I know, he wanted to use the avatar I had, and I was kinda confusing myself, cause I thought it was me :crazy:

Yeah the names are similar confusing

Originally posted by barwars
But about 7th Heaven, :barf: Its Full House without the ever so rare comedy. Bad acting and even worse writing, plenty of my friends like/liked it, as does my younger brother and mother, but still.... its trash IMO.

I Used to think it was crappy too.....Then i finally gave it a chance and now its my favorite show. :lol:

the reason I dislike 7th Heaven is because it is very preachy. The same people who champion it are usually the ones who complain to WB for airing Charmed, and these are the same people who refuse to watch Will And Grace because they're "morally offended" by the fact a tv show depicts gay characters as something other than background hairstylists.

The show is way too goody-goody, and it preaches a message that offends just as many people as who might be offended by Charmed's message or Will And Grace's (even tho IMO, W&G has no message... it's Friends with the men being gay). Plus, the times I've watched it, I felt like I was watching Full House minus the laugh-track and minus the Olsen twins.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
the reason I dislike 7th Heaven is because it is very preachy. The same people who champion it are usually the ones who complain to WB for airing Charmed, and these are the same people who refuse to watch Will And Grace because they're "morally offended" by the fact a tv show depicts gay characters as something other than background hairstylists.

The show is way too goody-goody, and it preaches a message that offends just as many people as who might be offended by Charmed's message or Will And Grace's (even tho IMO, W&G has no message... it's Friends with the men being gay). Plus, the times I've watched it, I felt like I was watching Full House minus the laugh-track and minus the Olsen twins.

Most shows tend to be preachy at times, and personally I'm sick of people saying it's like Full House, they are NOTHING alike.

Sounds like some just don't want to give a chance period. Have any of you that hate it actually sat down and watched more than one episode? :confused:

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Most shows tend to be preachy at times, and personally I'm sick of people saying it's like Full House, they are NOTHING alike.

Sounds like some just don't want to give a chance period. Have any of you that hate it actually sat down and watched more than one episode? :confused:

I disagree, Seinfeld was NEVER preachy.
Guaranteed.

I HAVE sat down and watched it, on many occassions.
I can recall many episodes I have seen before.

It just doesnt work for me. Its neither funny nor suspenseful.... so Im left waiting to figure out why to watch.

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
Sounds like some just don't want to give a chance period. Have any of you that hate it actually sat down and watched more than one episode? :confused:

I've never watched an episode from start to finish, but I've probably seen at least 10-20 minutes of 7 or 8 episodes, it used to come on before Buffy back ages ago, and I saw pieces of a few episodes then too. It's just not a show I like

Originally posted by barwars
I disagree, Seinfeld was NEVER preachy.
Guaranteed.

I HAVE sat down and watched it, on many occassions.
I can recall many episodes I have seen before.

It just doesnt work for me. Its neither funny nor suspenseful.... so Im left waiting to figure out why to watch.

;) a show about nothing def. isn't gonna be preachy :lol:

but almost all shows at one time, tend to try to teach us lessons, even BMW has done it :)

To each their own, I have always liked 7th Heaven, to me it's like the Little House on the Prarie for the present day :)

Originally posted by Angela Micelli
;) a show about nothing def. isn't gonna be preachy :lol:

but almost all shows at one time, tend to try to teach us lessons, even BMW has done it :)

To each their own, I have always liked 7th Heaven, to me it's like the Little House on the Prarie for the present day :) I used to like 7th Heaven until Lucy married that Dufass. That made me stop watching. :lol:

Originally posted by mr roper
I used to like 7th Heaven until Lucy married that Dufass. That made me stop watching. :lol:

:rotflmao: I don't like him much either :mad: :lol:

Originally posted by Angela Micelli

but almost all shows at one time, tend to try to teach us lessons, even BMW has done it :)

To each their own, I have always liked 7th Heaven, to me it's like the Little House on the Prarie for the present day :)

BMW did teach lessons, but it wasn't force-fed like on 7th Heaven and Full House. But Full House redeems itself with a slight amount of comedy.

As for LHOTP.... I never liked that either.
If its not funny or suspenseful, its not for me.

Originally posted by barwars
BMW did teach lessons, but it wasn't force-fed like on 7th Heaven and Full House. But Full House redeems itself with a slight amount of comedy.

As for LHOTP.... I never liked that either.
If its not funny or suspenseful, its not for me.

that's cool, I can respect that :)

Shows tend to try to teach you a lesson because the Lesson you are being taught is likely to be something you can relate to.

Originally posted by Raisingdad2004
Shows tend to try to teach you a lesson because the Lesson you are being taught is likely to be something you can relate to.

TV is NOT your mommy.

Originally posted by barwars
It just doesnt work for me. Its neither funny nor suspenseful.... so Im left waiting to figure out why to watch.

Actually, I Find alot of stuff on 7th Heaven to be quite funny. But since its a Drama its just harder for some to see the comedy in it.

Originally posted by mr roper
I used to like 7th Heaven until Lucy married that Dufass. That made me stop watching. :lol:

Hes Cool. Its his partner Roxanne that annoys me.

ABC, I think at one point in the '90s they were known for their family comedies; it's no wonder why they launched ABC Family.

ABC, by far, gave us the best "family-oriented" shows like The Brady Bunch, The Wonder Years, Happy Days, Full House, Step by Step, Family Matters, among many others. No doubt about it, it's ABC.