.....but he still loved his son. He treated Michael and Thelma good. I should guess. When the oldest child is always goofy and saying dumb things out of his mouth, I can understand why you would yell at him. However, he loved him just as much.

A nice moment was after JJ had gotten shot. They returned from the hospital. James got down on one knee and kissed JJ, thanking him for saving his life. Or how about the time when JJ stood up for Thelma because she wanted to marry Larry. He hugged his dad at the end, or when the bank manager didn't want to pay up. James was right in the middle to straighten thangs out.

How many other times did James treat JJ "nice"?

Originally posted by nerrad
.....but he still loved his son. He treated Michael and Thelma good. I should guess. When the oldest child is always goofy and saying dumb things out of his mouth, I can understand why you would yell at him. However, he loved him just as much.

A nice moment was after JJ had gotten shot. They returned from the hospital. James got down on one knee and kissed JJ, thanking him for saving his life. Or how about the time when JJ stood up for Thelma because she wanted to marry Larry. He hugged his dad at the end, or when the bank manager didn't want to pay up. James was right in the middle to straighten thangs out.

How many other times did James treat JJ "nice"?


True, in many ways, James was more emotionally abusive than he was physically abusive (although he was certainly that as well). He seemed to go easiest on Thelma, perhaps because she was a girl.

Originally posted by GeeBee
True, in many ways, James was more emotionally abusive than he was physically abusive (although he was certainly that as well). He seemed to go easiest on Thelma, perhaps because she was a girl.


He was harder on J.J because he was the oldest and was not setting a good example for his younger sister and brother by being a CLOWN.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
He was harder on J.J because he was the oldest and was not setting a good example for his younger sister and brother by being a CLOWN.

Like father, like son.

Originally posted by GeeBee
Like father, like son.


Now you know James was no where near being a CLOWN

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Now you know James was no where near being a CLOWN

The only difference is that James was a sad clown instead of a happy one.

i really liked the episode when he stood up to the girl's family that didn't want JJ to take their daughter to the debutante.

James: Weeeelllll, welcome to the ghetto!

And then when JJ tried to leave the room,

James: Uh un, JJ. Get back here! This your home and this is the one place you don't run from nobody.

OR
what about how hurt he was when the bank rejected his credit and he couldn't get JJ the fancy art supplies. he was really torn and upset about it.

JJ was the most immature of all the kids, so I think maybe that's why he was harder on him than the others. He half wanted to go to school and was girl crazy. He seemed to only be serious about his painting and there was so much more he needed to be worried about and focused on. His solution to every problem was "I'm an Ar-teest" It was obvious James cared from them all though in different ways. But just watching JJ was annoying someimtes, can you imagine living with him?

Originally posted by knl9674
i really liked the episode when he stood up to the girl's family that didn't want JJ to take their daughter to the debutante.

James: Weeeelllll, welcome to the ghetto!

And then when JJ tried to leave the room,

James: Uh un, JJ. Get back here! This your home and this is the one place you don't run from nobody.

OR
what about how hurt he was when the bank rejected his credit and he couldn't get JJ the fancy art supplies. he was really torn and upset about it.

JJ was the most immature of all the kids, so I think maybe that's why he was harder on him than the others. He half wanted to go to school and was girl crazy. He seemed to only be serious about his painting and there was so much more he needed to be worried about and focused on. His solution to every problem was "I'm an Ar-teest" It was obvious James cared from them all though in different ways. But just watching JJ was annoying someimtes, can you imagine living with him?

I could not imagine living with J.J. He would annoy the hell out of me, daily with his ego.

I think a kid like JJ would annoy even the most patient parent!:D

I have a good sense of humor, so I could probably stand him, for a while. Believe it or not, I kinda look like him (WHOA, let me change that. I'm tall and slim like him):lol: :lol: But, I do like my space sometimes and I will cuss him out a few times. Particularly his blabbing out things.

Anyway, another episode was the Black Jesus when Thelma was cutting him pretty bad. "He'snot an artist he's a amateur.

Florida- "THELMA, that's enough of you putting your brother down". After JJ made the speech about himnot being good enough to compete with the others, James came to the rescue.

James WAS being kinda selfish about the painting: "I need him here Junior, he's been working wonders for me".

You took that episode right out of my mouth, nerrad. I was going to mention that one.:wave:

Here is a good example of James treating J.J different than the other kids


Nichael:What's a rush party Daddy?

James:Don't ask stupid questions

J.J:But what is a Rush Party Dad?

James: Didn't i just say don't ask stupid questions Stupid?


LOL

J.J. probably used a mask of humor to hide his anguish over his father's rejection, which likely started at an early age.

Originally posted by GeeBee
J.J. probably used a mask of humor to hide his anguish over his father's rejection, which likely started at an early age.


James did admit he thought something was wrong with J.J at a early age. He said that it seemed like J.J. had oatmeal in his HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!-LOL

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
James did admit he thought something was wrong with J.J at a early age. He said that it seemed like J.J. had oatmeal in his HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!-LOL

If there really was something developmentally wrong with J.J., it was particularly shameful for James to be so critical of him. Then again, James was too ignorant to know the difference between cognitive development and bad behavior.

How about 'The Windfall' when JJ was out in the hall talking to his so called "buddies" from school and they got to pushing him around. James came out and pushed them off of JJ and scared them off. Now that's love.

James: Was that about the money?

JJ: Yeah, Dad.

(James puts his hand on his shoulder)

James: Come on, son.

James seems to forget that JJ took a bullet in season 1.

james treated him like he did because he was too silly to be the oldest child. He wanted J.J to set an example for Michael and Thelma so they could look up to him but the J.J character didn't show that type of maturity until after James died. It would have to see a MATURE J.J while James was still on the show.

True, in many ways, James was more emotionally abusive than he was physically abusive (although he was certainly that as well). He seemed to go easiest on Thelma, perhaps because she was a girl.


There were many times that James treated JJ nice and in fact spoke of JJ with a sense of pride.

James was neither emotionally nor physically abusive. When you have more than one child, each child is dealt with differently. I'm from a family of 5 and some of us got whippings more often than the other. For good reason, some of us could be told not to do something and some of us would do it anyway. Some of us would talk back and some of us wouldn't.

There is a difference between discipline and abuse. The problem with many parents today is that they do not know the difference. The children are just as confused as the parents. The apple never falls far from the tree. Many of the problems today are a result of the lack of discipline.

The episode, "THE MURAL" could be another example of James treating J.J nice

Oh that scene last night when James told JJ how proud he was for stepping up for his sister and her wanting to be engaged. That was so touching. I have seen that scene soooo many times and it still gets to me. It is so heartwarming. The way JJ hugged him. I know the very first time I seen that episode (back in the 70's LOL) I totally expected JJ to say something funny or dumb. The scene was played out so perfect. No words. Just a big hug between father and son.

The face that James gave after being hugged by JJ was heartwarming. It showed just how much he loved his son.

James did keep JJ from going too far. We learned that once he died, and JJ hustled a little.