Bill had a problem with the negative stereotype that was promoted on Good Times and never cared for the show. He actually felt the same way about the Jeffersons and Sanford and Son. I just found the show to be funny and enjoyed it. I can understand at the time how Bill could have been saying why they have to show that all black families are poor? Why can't a black family be doing financially well on TV? So i can see his point but to me the only negative stereotype was the J.J. character. It was said since Bill Cosby Lived in a similar area that's shown in the opening credits while growing up in philadelphia so that's why he had no interest in this show when it debuted in 1974. That also explains why the Cosby Show never made reference to This show, Jeffersons, and Sanford and Son in any of their episodes.

I like Bill but I tend to feel sometimes, especially concerning black entertainment, that he is trying to forget where he came from.:cool:

Originally posted by laneyday
I like Bill but I tend to feel sometimes, especially concerning black entertainment, that he is trying to forget where he came from.:cool:


I know, Bill has his nose so high in the air that he can't smell own mouth wash-lol

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
I know, Bill has his nose so high in the air that he can't smell own mouth wash-lol

Let's be grateful he uses mouth wash at all, after many years of doing those awful Jello and Pudding commercials...

Eeewwww...


;)


Ed

Originally posted by Edster2973
Let's be grateful he uses mouth wash at all, after many years of doing those awful Jello and Pudding commercials...

Eeewwww...


;)


Ed


I think that's what Bill was known for in the 1970's since all his shows were a FLOP.

I know, Bill has his nose so high in the air that he can't smell own mouth wash-lol
Bill himself grew up poor. He makes a joke and says they weren't poor, they were broke.

I'm starting to wonder if there were any sitcoms that Bill liked, aside from his own? I'd like to ask him, as Mushmouth: "Hey-ba, what-ba do-ba you-ba enjoy-ba?"

Gotta say though that Bill was impressive in his day -- I think he played tennis to stay in shape. I just watched him in a '70s (?) movie with Richard Pryor and Bill was the man.

i don't know why Bill would say/feel that way about the Jeffersons - George wasn't poor, he was a hard working self-made man. He certainly had more self respect than Cliff Huxtable ever did.

For what it's worth, Bill Cosby may not have said anything about the show, or, if he did, he might have made similar gripes about it that stars John Amos and Esther Rolle made. We simply don't know for sure...

Just sayin'...

Ed

I'm starting to wonder if there were any sitcoms that Bill liked, aside from his own?

I know that he was a fan of the 1993 sitcom, Where I Live.

I'm starting to wonder if there were any sitcoms that Bill liked, aside from his own? I'd like to ask him, as Mushmouth: "Hey-ba, what-ba do-ba you-ba enjoy-ba?"

Gotta say though that Bill was impressive in his day -- I think he played tennis to stay in shape. I just watched him in a '70s (?) movie with Richard Pryor and Bill was the man.
who is mushmouth????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

who is mushmouth????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

A character from Fat Albert

i don't know why Bill would say/feel that way about the Jeffersons - George wasn't poor, he was a hard working self-made man. He certainly had more self respect than Cliff Huxtable ever did.


Because there were negative stereotypes on the show

Use of the N-word
Angry Black Man
Use of the word whitey
Looking down on poor people



All the things that were never seen on the Cosby show

Use of the word whitey

If I remember right after all these years, I think I learned the word "honky" from The Jeffersons.

I liked Good Times, The Jeffersons, and Sanford & Son. I used to watch Fat Albert as well, but I think a lot of Bill's messages went over my head. People tend to forget how many African-American series ran concurrently in the '70s. I should mention too that Flip Wilson was extremely popular in the early '70s, and my family always loved it when he did Geraldine.

Some thoughts about Good Times after all these years, watching again now:

The acting on this series is better than I remembered, and I can see it was well-cast. I was surprised to hear the "n" word after watching less than a half-dozen eps on Antenna TV. JJ's dyn-o-mite is just as funny as ever, and in my opinion one of the all-time great catchphrases in sitcom history. I recalled that JJ was an artist, but his talents played into more storylines than I had remembered. Walker's enthusiasm is welcome. I had totally forgotten things like his red-velour tuxedo and how his character became combative when his father was protective of a threat.

Just watching the ep where the neighbor lady brings over her meatloaf, and the scene is really funny when the family suspects it was made with pet food. Very entertaining.

Bill had a problem with the negative stereotype that was promoted on Good Times and never cared for the show. He actually felt the same way about the Jeffersons and Sanford and Son. I just found the show to be funny and enjoyed it. I can understand at the time how Bill could have been saying why they have to show that all black families are poor? Why can't a black family be doing financially well on TV? So i can see his point but to me the only negative stereotype was the J.J. character. It was said since Bill Cosby Lived in a similar area that's shown in the opening credits while growing up in philadelphia so that's why he had no interest in this show when it debuted in 1974. That also explains why the Cosby Show never made reference to This show, Jeffersons, and Sanford and Son in any of their episodes.


Bill is a great comic, did great with the shows, but with the stuff coming out with the drugging, and womanizing, that he's done, he needs to shut up.

who is mushmouth????:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMADJcimnds

I wasn't born when Good Times made it's debut on CBS but I can see how some blacks were bothered that the first black family on Network TV was

Living in the projects
the mother had no job
The oldest son was a clown

I wasn't born when Good Times made it's debut on CBS but I can see how some blacks were bothered that the first black family on Network TV was

Living in the projects
the mother had no job
The oldest son was a clown

Exactly. I have no gripe with the show, and I still say someone should prove that Bill Cosby said these things (I still think he didn't), but even if he did, I don't see how any of you could dislike him for it since stars John Amos & Esther Rolle said basically the same thing. Anyone down on them? Methinks there was much sensitivity since the show, whether intentional or not (and whether good or not), was kind of depicting a black family according to a stereotype that white people envisioned black families to be. John Amos & Esther Rolle clearly wanted the show to be more than that and there was much uproar about it behind the scenes. If Bill Cosby had a similar beef, why is he the bad guy while John Amos & Esther Rolle are heroes championing the good fight? Seems a bit selective to me.

And again, I still say it's yet to be proven that he even had an opinion about it. While he was far from being an unknown, he wasn't nearly the household name then as he was in the 80s so I doubt anyone rushed to get his viewpoint. Seems kind of fishy to me...

Ed

Cosby always expressed his dislike for the Norman Lear shows. But personally, I thought Sanford & Son, The Jeffersons and Good Times were great shows....and yes, I will say it, they were much better than "The Cosby Show".

Cosby always expressed his dislike for the Norman Lear shows. But personally, I thought Sanford & Son, The Jeffersons and Good Times were great shows....and yes, I will say it, they were much better than "The Cosby Show".


Yeah because all those shows had Shocking moments unlike the Cosby show which had none lol

And again, I still say it's yet to be proven that he even had an opinion about it. While he was far from being an unknown, he wasn't nearly the household name then as he was in the 80s so I doubt anyone rushed to get his viewpoint. Seems kind of fishy to me...

Ed

I have to disagree that Bill Cosby wasn't a household name in the '70s. EVERYBODY knew Bill Cosby back then. I was just a kid in the '70s, and I was very familiar with Cosby. I watched him every week on Fat Albert. And he was frequently seen in syndicated reruns of I Spy. And his comedy records were very popular. I can remember a teacher playing some of his routines at school. Then there were those Jello commercials. The Cosby Show didn't make Bill Cosby, it merely extended and enhanced his legacy. And I'm sure it made it on the air in 1984 because of the clout Cosby already had. My point is, he was extremely popular and well known in the '70s, so I can easily see that people at that time might have been interested in (and sought out) his opinion about Good Times.

I have to disagree that Bill Cosby wasn't a household name in the '70s. EVERYBODY knew Bill Cosby back then. I was just a kid in the '70s, and I was very familiar with Cosby. I watched him every week on Fat Albert. And he was frequently seen in syndicated reruns of I Spy. And his comedy records were very popular. I can remember a teacher playing some of his routines at school. Then there were those Jello commercials. The Cosby Show didn't make Bill Cosby, it merely extended and enhanced his legacy. And I'm sure it made it on the air in 1984 because of the clout Cosby already had. My point is, he was extremely popular and well known in the '70s, so I can easily see that people at that time might have been interested in (and sought out) his opinion about Good Times.



He had two cancelled shows in the 70's that didn't have negative stereotypes so to see a black show with so many negative stereotypes succeed on a network he tried to have a show on, I can see how he was bothered by it.

i prefer the jeffersons and good times over the cosby show. and the evans family for me, i could relate to more than the huxtables. i know there are more cosby show fans than good times fans, but i just felt that the norman lear shows had more to offer.

many black viewers say the cosby show was one of the greats because unlike say good times they had positive representations of black characters on tv that weren't always arguing, fighting. but as a show, good times was more real and dealt with issues that other black sitcoms never tackled.

which is why i enjoy it much more.