Turn on your TV, open US Weekly or log on to the Internet, and brace yourself for a barrage of tween stars.
They’re taking over the world with cute dimples, white teeth and trendy bangs.

Someone please kill me.

These “tween queens” - Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen - aren’t even tweens anymore.

A “tween” denotes a person between the ages of 9 and 13 - like in between the stages of playing with Barbies and attending high school. Tweens are not quite teens, but they’re starting to get into boys (and boy bands), the mall and frosted lip gloss.

To lure these consumers, we have tween stars. And since the stars themselves are no longer tweens, they have to maintain a squeaky-clean image that appeals to youngsters and keeps them from losing their Disney contracts.

It’s about time the tween queens grew up and stopped being Disney puppets. After all, aren’t teen years the magical time when you don’t let “the man” get you down?

The Olsen twins and Lohan are now 18, and Duff will join the newly legal gals in September. Now that they’re 18, these ladies should do an indie flick or something to shake their prepackaged-for-Disney reputations.

It used to be the bubble-gum pop singers - Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera and Jessica Simpson - who ruled the tween market.

But the new tween stars are one-upping the pop princesses’ singing and feuding that were their specialties.

These divas have TV shows and movies and clothing and makeup lines. They’re modeling, doing commercials and making records - and feuding in their spare time.

Sadly enough, some of them have true talent that's wasted on teenybopper fluff.

Lohan has starred in several teen blockbusters, including "Freaky Friday," "The Parent Trap," "Mean Girls" and "Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen." She's funny, clever and seems to be the most intellectual of the tween stars. Time will tell if she can sing, too - in true tween fashion, she's coming out with an album in the near future.

Amanda Bynes, a well-known comedian on the Nickelodeon circuit, has true comedic talent. She salvaged the unoriginal "What a Girl Wants" by creating several laugh-out-loud moments from a tired script.

Raven-Symone of the Disney Channel's "That's So Raven" can sing and is capable of decent physical comedy; she consistently plays accident-prone characters onscreen.

Mandy Moore is the tween grandmother at the ripe old age of 20. She has quite a bit of talent as a singer and actress.

Even those who might lack talent have some sort of star appeal.

For instance, the Olsens don't need talent. They're in the media more (and probably have more money) than the president.

But instead of breaking new ground, many of these tween stars stifle themselves with cheesy projects.

They may be popular, and even talented, but they lack credibility as actresses.

DIANA BENANTI
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what you posted hit the nail on the head perfectly. Today's teen crap SUCKS. I feel sorry that todays youth will never have a movie for their generation like my generation had Scream, Clueless and Dazed And Confused. Because all of todays teen flicks are way too watered-down and Disney-fied (I like Disney, but only when they make animated and CGI films) to really have a long-lasted appeal to it.

I'm not against it because it's "family friendly", but because the stuff is as sugary as Full House

Yea, but there's a difference between being teeny-bopperish and family friendly. I myself am only 18 but I'm tired of seeing the same movies, and I also agree that the talented ones are being brought down by this sugary sweet Disney image.

Overdone, unpopular girl likes popular boy crap is getting aggravating, and the blonde haired preppy popular girl who picks on everybody is another pet-peeve! I can't wait to see Raven in All American Girl.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
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what you posted hit the nail on the head perfectly. Today's teen crap SUCKS. I feel sorry that todays youth will never have a movie for their generation like my generation had Scream, Clueless and Dazed And Confused. Because all of todays teen flicks are way too watered-down and Disney-fied (I like Disney, but only when they make animated and CGI films) to really have a long-lasted appeal to it.

I'm not against it because it's "family friendly", but because the stuff is as sugary as Full House Oh, oh...DITTO DITTO DITTO :notworthy

Originally posted by Nikki_luv
Yea, but there's a difference between being teeny-bopperish and family friendly. I myself am only 18 but I'm tired of seeing the same movies, and I also agree that the talented ones are being brought down by this sugary sweet Disney image.

Overdone, unpopular girl likes popular boy crap is getting aggravating, and the blonde haired preppy popular girl who picks on everybody is another pet-peeve! I can't wait to see Raven in All American Girl.


ditto

the thing that really irked me was a few months ago, an R-rated teen movie called THE GIRL NEXT DOOR came out... it got good reviews and people were expecting it to be for this era what Risky Business was in the 1980's and American Pie was in the 1990's. However, the movie resounded with a thud at the box office. Why? Because it wasn't a safe Hilary Duff PG-rated family film produced by Disney.

That sucks, are todays youth that brainwashed? When I was a teen, we could tell the difference between American Pie and Freddie Prinze Jr. fluffy family teen flicks, and yet opted for AP instead (ok, I was 19 when AP came out... but I was still a teen technically, lol)

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
I'm not against it because it's "family friendly", but because the stuff is as sugary as Full House

Today's teen movies are so sugary, they make "Full House" look like "South Park".

Actually, "Mean Girls" was kinda good but only kinda....

I agree, like that new girl Jojo has alot of talent and she is wasting it on crap like "Get Out Leave" I mean I know she is 13 but can;t she wait until she is at least 16? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by skyhigh25789
I agree, like that new girl Jojo has alot of talent and she is wasting it on crap like "Get Out Leave" I mean I know she is 13 but can;t she wait until she is at least 16? :rolleyes:

You think that's crap?! Why does she have to wait until she's 16, omg1 Crap is songs like "Come Clean" and "Pieces of Me", JoJo's out singing 16 year olds. Life is short and to wait until she's 16 and all sexed up, would be a waste. That is a great song, and she actually productive at what she's been signed for, unlike some people, even Raven can out sing today's singing "teen queens".

Originally posted by skyhigh25789
I agree, like that new girl Jojo has alot of talent and she is wasting it on crap like "Get Out Leave" I mean I know she is 13 but can;t she wait until she is at least 16? :rolleyes:

JoJo is great as well as her music, she reps for the under eighteen crowd like myself

that article said Hilary was turning 18...she just turned 16 so I don't call it accuate.

The times of different back from the 70s, 80s & 90s. Back in the 70s you had the brady bunch and danny osmond. In the 80s you had the Brat Pack. In the 90s you had Clueless,and other teen comedies along with the spice girls & Saved By the Bell era.
Its all different. I personally think that teen comedies are getting sexier but at the same time also cleaner. I mean, in the 80s you had Madonna and now we have Britney Spears but we also have people like Mandy Moore.

I think you can blame Disney for these tween people. They're the ones producting all this because lets face it, all those 10 year olds are looking up more to older people than ever. I personally don't understand the attack on Hilary Duff. She's just doing her job. I think people should respect her for being a decent role model. I don't see you doing what shes doing. Okay, but people to slam her as an singer, fine, shes not original and shes all marketed but when Britney was 17 she was singing in her school girl outfit. Give Hilary credit, shes not selling herself with sex appeal. As for slamming her as an actress, I wouldn't call it fair considering look at the roles shes been in. Not something I would call an oscar winning role. She hasn't proven herself as a bad actress or a good actress. Give her some time.

Lindsay Lohan is way over marketed. Shes more of the bad girl verison of Hilary Duff. I do think Lindsay is a good actress, she has proven herself but shes got 2 years on Duff.

Everything could be alot worse so I think people should stop complaining. You like what you like. I'm old enough not to worship the teen era but respect it. Everybody thinks their a critic. You know whats bested for the teens out there. Okay, you market something then.

Also I personally think The Girl Next Door is the most underrated movie of the year

Originally posted by LucyCompanyPhan


I think you can blame Disney for these tween people. They're the ones producting all this because lets face it, all those 10 year olds are looking up more to older people than ever. I personally don't understand the attack on Hilary Duff. She's just doing her job. I think people should respect her for being a decent role model. I don't see you doing what shes doing. Okay, but people to slam her as an singer, fine, shes not original and shes all marketed but when Britney was 17 she was singing in her school girl outfit. Give Hilary credit, shes not selling herself with sex appeal. As for slamming her as an actress, I wouldn't call it fair considering look at the roles shes been in. Not something I would call an oscar winning role. She hasn't proven herself as a bad actress or a good actress. Give her some time.

Lindsay Lohan is way over marketed. Shes more of the bad girl verison of Hilary Duff. I do think Lindsay is a good actress, she has proven herself but shes got 2 years on Duff.



I agree, even though I'm not a Hilary fan, she is just doing her job, she must be doing something right since she's not on stage almost nude.

Lindsay is a bad role model in my opinion. Even though I think she's a great actress and I have all her movies, she smokes, drinks and is always partying. At least Hilary Duff isn't doing that or at least she's hiding it

I think Lindsay Lohan should take a break, or act in a drama or something- she has been in far too many films this year!

I think Jena Malone's a better actress out of all of them- she has a less mainstream look and style I think- more realistic than Hilary Duff's fake smiles and little catchphrases.

I thought The Girl Next Door was good as well- not quite in league with teen comedies from the 80's, but as close that Hollywood has got in a long time.

Tween queens do seem to have a bit too much influence- it's as though Disney manufactured them entirely along with the animatronic Abe Lincoln. Also, about doing indy flicks- I thought that's what the Olsen's would be doing by now- you sort of think when they hit 18 they would want to stop playing the same characters over and over again. They should both do films separately- playing 2 very different characters to distance themselves- maybe take smaller roles in films as well.

Originally posted by webuster
I think Lindsay Lohan should take a break, or act in a drama or something- she has been in far too many films this year!

I think Jena Malone's a better actress out of all of them- she has a less mainstream look and style I think- more realistic than Hilary Duff's fake smiles and little catchphrases.

I thought The Girl Next Door was good as well- not quite in league with teen comedies from the 80's, but as close that Hollywood has got in a long time.

Tween queens do seem to have a bit too much influence- it's as though Disney manufactured them entirely along with the animatronic Abe Lincoln. Also, about doing indy flicks- I thought that's what the Olsen's would be doing by now- you sort of think when they hit 18 they would want to stop playing the same characters over and over again. They should both do films separately- playing 2 very different characters to distance themselves- maybe take smaller roles in films as well.

Lindsay says she wants to establish herself as an actress before she goes to college ....but she's signing on for at least 6 new movies.

Your right about the Olsens, they have played the same kind of character since they were 12. Who wants to watch 30 year old twins going to some foreign country and getting a boyfriend?

Originally posted by Superstar
I agree, even though I'm not a Hilary fan, she is just doing her job, she must be doing something right since she's not on stage almost nude.

lol, doing something right? actually, that is probably why she doesn't have adult male fans the way Britney did when she first came out or Lindsey has right now.

Originally posted by webuster
I think Lindsay Lohan should take a break, or act in a drama or something- she has been in far too many films this year!

yes because TWO movies is alot. She only did Confessions of a teenage drama queen & mean girls. Mean Girls was quite good. I just think it seems like she did more movies because shes been in the public eye alot and she hosted the mtv movie awards.

But I think if anything the Olsens are in the eye of the press but hopefully that will blow over once their in college. I don't think the Olsens' are asking for this press though. They can't help what happened.

And I don't think Lindsay Lohan is going to college. and why should she? Shes doing what she wants to do, shes good at it and shes set for life. I don't blame her at all. I wouldn't go to college. College is for better education in the field you want to work in, but if you're already at the top of your game in that field why desert it now?

Originally posted by Superstar
Your right about the Olsens, they have played the same kind of character since they were 12. Who wants to watch 30 year old twins going to some foreign country and getting a boyfriend?

I personally think it's sad that the Olsens have maintained any career since the ending of Full House. They were cute when they were little, but even when FH was coming to a close, the "cuteness" was wearing thin. And it's not like they have any acting chops (otoh, Raven is a good comedic actress).

It's a shame that by the time Gary Coleman was 18, he was going broke, while he was a limited actor, he was by far funnier than the Olsen twins ever could be.... whereas the Olsens are 18 and are richer and more famous than the President of the United States.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
whereas the Olsens are 18 and are richer and more famous than the President of the United States.

If we're talking about the current president, that's a good thing. Wait, that's political. Forget I said that.

Originally posted by LucyCompanyPhan
And I don't think Lindsay Lohan is going to college. and why should she?

just because you're rich and famous doesn't mean you shouldn't better yourself.

The Olsen Twins will never have to work a day again for the rest of their lives, they're set for 5 lifetimes. But they're still going to college, why? They wanna be educated, something someone like Britney or Jessica Simpson is NOT. Maybe if Jessica Simpson took some college courses, maybe she'd gain an IQ of some sort

In the UK, i think Lindsay had 3 films this year- Freaky Friday at the very start of the year, Mean Girls and Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen. Not only that, but she does appear to be in the public eye far too much- and Mean Girls got nowhere near as many good reviews in the UK as it did in the US.

I think Lohan's other problem is that she appears to have started playing the same character over and over again! I guess there isn't a range of characters for teen comedies, but looking at the titles of her next films, they all sound pretty much the same; Lady Luck, Dramarama, Gossip Girl, Fashionistas.

I think it's great the Olsen's are going to college- Lohan should too, because though she has money now it could easily all run out- and who knows how much longer she'll be popular in hollywood.

Originally posted by webuster
I think it's great the Olsen's are going to college- Lohan should too, because though she has money now it could easily all run out- and who knows how much longer she'll be popular in hollywood.

exactly, I find it appalling to go "well, she's rich... why go to college?". If you like your teen idols ditzy and stupid like Britney, Jessica, Avril and Hilary, be my guest... but some people out there actually want an IQ over 70.

There are plenty of people who went to school even after becoming famous. Brooke Sheilds comes to mind. Rivers Cuomo from Weezer used the earnings from their first album to go to Harvard... and he's going back and finishing a few classes as well. There's others. Some people value education and would rather be rich and have a degree, than be rich and have a reality show that showcases the fact you're borderline ******** and have people laugh at you so much they buy your album.

BuffySlayer79, maybe the reason why R-rated teen movies like "Girl Next Door," and "Harold an Kumar Go to White Castle" have been flops (despite good reviews) is because theaters and the MPAA have become more stricter with their rating system since the 90's. I remember that as a 14 year old I easily got into all the Scream movies and American Pie, nowadays my sister is 14 (and looks much older than I did at that age,) wasn't even allowed to finish saying "Passion of the..." before she was given a straightforward "no," they didn't even let her see "Troy" either.

This is why we see all these PG-13, and PG teen movies doing better than expected. "Mean Girls" was actually good though. Loved the movie, LOL.

I despise MPAA ratings- some of my friends couldn't get into Monster, so none of us got to see it. At least it's out on dvd now.

It depends on the cinema, and who's working at the ticket booth too. In our cinema some people aren't as strict.

I think MPAA ratings cheapen movie making too- you have directors butchering their films in order to get a PG-13 rating to get a wider audience.

SBTB geek- you're right, that's probably while Girl Next Door Failed- it's rating only allowed adults in, while it's target audience was teenagers.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
lol, doing something right? actually, that is probably why she doesn't have adult male fans the way Britney did when she first came out or Lindsey has right now.

well Britney has to be half naked on stage for people to buy tickets but Hilary has people that like her singing, not her body:lol:

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
I personally think it's sad that the Olsens have maintained any career since the ending of Full House. They were cute when they were little, but even when FH was coming to a close, the "cuteness" was wearing thin. And it's not like they have any acting chops (otoh, Raven is a good comedic actress).

It's a shame that by the time Gary Coleman was 18, he was going broke, while he was a limited actor, he was by far funnier than the Olsen twins ever could be.... whereas the Olsens are 18 and are richer and more famous than the President of the United States.

Yeah, the Olsens just milked it for all it was worth, all though I'd consider myself a fan, I'm sick of them. Mary-Kate especially is a poor actress, she does this thinga t the end of sentences where she lets out a little laugh. Its annoying.

Yeah, its a shame really. He could really deliever funny lines and he made "Whatchoo talkin bou Willis?" funny in every episode, I always laughed at it.

I do admire M-K+A for going to college, at least they seem to want to further their education. Lindsay Lohan has said she will go to college but wants to establish herself....I don't blame her though. I think Raven is planning to go to college in a year or two as well but I'm not sure

Its a little early to tell if Hilary is going to college though, she's still in school

If Lindsay goes to college-great for her. I'm not saying she shouldn't go to college because shes rich, I'm saying if I were an actress (and a well established one) and thats what I always wanted to do for the rest of my life, I'd be doing it rather than studying it. Its very important to go to college and believe me I plan on going to college but to me, I wouldn't blame her for not going. Although maybe I would feel differently about it if I was Lindsay Lohan and I wanted to get away from that scene and try to be normal, but maybe I would be 'hey I'm freakin Lindsay Lohan I'm going to party it up and do my job because I LOVE IT" Whatever she does, good for her.

Originally posted by LucyCompanyPhan
If Lindsay goes to college-great for her. I'm not saying she shouldn't go to college because shes rich, I'm saying if I were an actress (and a well established one) and thats what I always wanted to do for the rest of my life, I'd be doing it rather than studying it.

It doesn't matter how good you become at it, there's always something more about it you can learn.

Lindsay, Hilary and the Olsens are all overrated, whenever someone mentions teen stars or former child stars, these are the only ones that come out of their mouth now. Mention another more talented teen star, everyone's like "Bleh!".

I don't care how old or dumb they are, they could still do better with the material they're given. Hollywood needs to switch up their teenaged front women, or put em all in a movie together.:D

I think that Lindsay Lohan would be regarded as a much better actress if she began to take more serious, adult roles. I see her going much farther then Hilary Duff.

Originally posted by dukey
I think that Lindsay Lohan would be regarded as a much better actress if she began to take more serious, adult roles. I see her going much farther then Hilary Duff.

That's funny, because alot of people see Hilary Duff going futhur than her, they think Lindsay's controversy will bring her down.

They all will soon do adult-like movies, and then all over again parents will be covering their kid's eyes saying they ought to be ashamed. Then Lindsay, Hilary, Raven etc. will become the next generation of Britney, Christina and Beyonce. You can't win for loosing!

I don't care how old or dumb they are, they could still do better with the material they're given. Hollywood needs to switch up their teenaged front women, or put em all in a movie together.

With a Thelma and Louise ending...;)

It's ok for young girls to be acting- the problem is all the movies they are put in are really dumb. Child actors are usually better in smaller roles or in anything other than comedy. Now, the tween queens have to be the lead roles in their movies, playing stereotypes who have sleepovers, do each others hair and say "whatever" and roll their eyes at everything!

Out of all of them, the Olsens are the most annoying.

I hate Lindsey Lohan and Hiliary Duff! Although I loved Mean Girls, that's like the only good movie Lindsey's ever done.

Whenever I watch Hilary, I start losing brain cells. And that's very dangerous for me cause I have only like, 2 left. So therefore, I can never see Hilary Duff again...

Originally posted by Nikki_luv
That's funny, because alot of people see Hilary Duff going futhur than her, they think Lindsay's controversy will bring her down.


I've been reading the book Prozac Nation by Elizabeth Wurtzel and if this book were ever to be made into a film, I can really see Lohan playing the lead character. She's the right age and looks the part perfectly.

Originally posted by dukey
I've been reading the book Prozac Nation by Elizabeth Wurtzel and if this book were ever to be made into a film, I can really see Lohan playing the lead character. She's the right age and looks the part perfectly.

The book was made into a film. I believe Christina Ricci played the main character.

Oh. Well, that goes to show what I know. But don't you think that of all the very young stars today, that Lindsay Lohan would really have fit that part well?

If the tween queens just keep on doing kiddy roles, thinking there fame will never run out, then it's unlikely they'll cross over into good adult roles. Lindsay looks like the sort of actress who could handle more mature teen roles- she should try them, as long as she doesn't go on tv afterwards trying to bag attention for being so controversial and screaming about how down to earth she is (or thinks she is).

Originally posted by folfreak25


Whenever I watch Hilary, I start losing brain cells. And that's very dangerous for me cause I have only like, 2 left. So therefore, I can never see Hilary Duff again...


That is a stupidest line, i never read in my own life, your brain hurt you see Hilary Duff stupid. My brain don't hurt i see Hilary, You might be hater then.

Originally posted by Lizzie McGuire
That is a stupidest line, i never read in my own life, your brain hurt you see Hilary Duff stupid. My brain don't hurt i see Hilary, You might be hater then.

no offense, but does it dawn on you that most of us over 16 don't give two craps about her one way or the other? It's just that media shoves her down our throat like she's some sort of superstar. I have proudly never seen anything with her, and as long as she continues doing the type of films she does, I don't plan to start. I don't like or hate her, but you gotta understand why older people do look down on her and the roles she takes... because we've lived through the likes of Melissa Joan Hart and Mayim Bialik who, 10 years ago, were what Hilary is now.

I still love Melissa Joan Hart....God I miss her! LOL

I wld consider myself a Lindsay fan but to tell the truth I'm getting very sick of her. She signs onto a new movie almost every week and all the Lindsay news and controversy is annoying.....but I still do consider myself a fan.LOL

Originally posted by Lizzie McGuire
That is a stupidest line, i never read in my own life, your brain hurt you see Hilary Duff stupid. My brain don't hurt i see Hilary, You might be hater then. K, wuteva hateR.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
no offense, but does it dawn on you that most of us over 16 don't give two craps about her one way or the other? It's just that media shoves her down our throat like she's some sort of superstar. I have proudly never seen anything with her, and as long as she continues doing the type of films she does, I don't plan to start. I don't like or hate her, but you gotta understand why older people do look down on her and the roles she takes... because we've lived through the likes of Melissa Joan Hart and Mayim Bialik who, 10 years ago, were what Hilary is now.

No offense to you but I don't think thats really fair to say. I'm 16 and its not like I don't give two craps about her. Just because you consider yourself old enough to be out of your teen days doesn't mean that you can't enjoy a good movie or something. Okay, sure they are way over marketed but its not any more than other actresses. I don't see you going on about how other people are over marketed. What makes you think that you can just set yourself apart? I think J. Lo, Ben Affleck, Britney Spears etc are WAY more over marketed than them so why don't you pick them apart? Congrats to you that you lived through the 90s, I think everyone else here today too but that doesnt mean that you can look down upon the upcoming rising stars.

I agree that Hilary Duff, the Olsens, Lindsay Lohan and company aren't giving us high class entertainment but what makes you think that you're better than them. Because you're not exactly their genre? I'm not a fan of Hilary, I don't really care for her movies, because I don't think any of them have been decent enough but I'm willing to give her a chance at something and prove herself as an actress. You should be big enough to respect that shes doing something that SHE enjoys. For being over 16 you would think you would be smart enough to give somebody a little credit and respect them.

In my opinion I just feel that Lindsay Lohan has the ability to play more mature roles. I really can't see Hilary doing the same. However, if I'm wrong and Hilary Duff contunes to act for the next 20 years I wish her the best of luck. I have nothing against her personaly. And as far as living through the 1990's, well, that's nothing special. The 90's had to be the most unintersting and worthless decade of the 20th century.

Originally posted by Lizzie McGuire
That is a stupidest line, i never read in my own life, your brain hurt you see Hilary Duff stupid. My brain don't hurt i see Hilary, You might be hater then.

Ok, I lied. It's just an excuse never to look/hear/anything having to do with Hilary again. But then again, i don't give a crap if your brain doesn't shrivle up when you see her, mine does.

Originally posted by HuntingtonM15
The book was made into a film. I believe Christina Ricci played the main character.

Most people who have seen the leaked copies of the film feel that Christina's performance is unforgetable. It's a shame that it's going to be already 4 years since the film was completed and it hasn't seen the light of day yet.

Originally posted by dukey
I've been reading the book Prozac Nation by Elizabeth Wurtzel and if this book were ever to be made into a film, I can really see Lohan playing the lead character. She's the right age and looks the part perfectly. No way. That book is too good for her to destroy. Shes good at the gay teen movies. Thats about it.

Originally posted by LucyCompanyPhan
I think J. Lo, Ben Affleck, Britney Spears etc are WAY more over marketed than them so why don't you pick them apart?

WOW, I never realized I was a Jennifer Lopez fan. I have said many times I despise her


Originally posted by LucyCompanyPhan
For being over 16 you would think you would be smart enough to give somebody a little credit and respect them.

apparently you've never heard of Drew Barrymore or Heather Matarazzo, they were doing movies 10 times the quality of the "Duff-fests" when they were the same age, compare Drew's 'bad girl all grown up' performance in Poison Ivy which she was 16 when she made to that what Hilary Duff is making now. Heather at the age of 13 gave a better performance in Welcome To The Dollhouse than Hilary or the Olsens will probably ever give. Hell, Keisha Castle-Hughes is only about 13-14 years old, and she gave one hell of a performance in Whale Rider that even got her nominated for an Oscar.

Today's teen crap sucks, face it. I knew people who were way out of their teens who enjoyed Clueless. I knew people who were way out of their teens who enjoyed American Pie. I can't think of any of todays teen movies that anyone out of their teens will enjoy except for perverted reasons. After a 90's where teen movies and series were playing UP to the audience (which also attractive a post-teen market.. many of the biggest Dawson's Creek and Buffy [YES IT WAS A TEEN SHOW FROM SEASONS 1-3] fans I've met were in their mid-20's when those shows began), now they're playing DOWN to them, and instead of being cool with teens and grown-ups... now it's cool to tweens and 9 year olds.

I have friends 10 years older than me who were into shows like Dawson, Roswell and Buffy in the late 90's, and even own them on DVD despite being older than the casts... they still loved those shows because they were teen programs that played up, not down to the audience, and because of that, even people in their thirties were engrossed in those programs. Yet nobody even in their 20's likes today's "teen stuff".

You get older, not younger, as life progresses.

Clarissa Explains it All was probably the only half-decent teen show made in the nineties in my oppinion. I think Melissa Joan Hart went downhill with Sabrina.

If I'd to put money on any of the tween queens working well as adults, it would be Lindsay Lohan because she her look isn't as squeaky clean and wholesome as Hilary Duff's or the Olsens. By the way- does anyone know why she was replaced on Bette Midler's (very very funny) sitcom?

Why hasn't Prozac Nation got a proper release yet?

Buffy The Vampire Slayer was an intelligent, well written and well acted series. Though I think that Sarah Michelle Geller is an actress of limited ability, she was always great on that series.
It was only in the last two seasons that the series saw a drop in quality. My Dad also thought the show was really good. I think Buffy appealed to people out of high school because it was so imaginative and I think appealed ro anyone that had gone to high school and could remember the horrors of high school. Concering Dawson's Creek, I have to disagree with you BuffySlayer, I found that show to be little more then a primetime soap opera. I don't think the writers respected their audiance at all. The very few episodes I saw were all rip-offs of famous movies. Their was an episode early on that was a total rip-off of The Breakfast Club. I am surprised that John Hughes didn't sue the producers of Dawson's Creek for ripping off his film. Also, I didn't know anyone besides teenage girls that watched that show. I think that Dawson's Creek and movies like American Pie (which was total exercise in stupidity) are the reason that we have the teenybopper movies that we have today.

Originally posted by webuster
Clarissa Explains it All was probably the only half-decent teen show made in the nineties in my oppinion. I think Melissa Joan Hart went downhill with Sabrina.

If I'd to put money on any of the tween queens working well as adults, it would be Lindsay Lohan because she her look isn't as squeaky clean and wholesome as Hilary Duff's or the Olsens. By the way- does anyone know why she was replaced on Bette Midler's (very very funny) sitcom?



I have to disagree, I find CEIA it be pretty bad show, I think Sabrina was 100 times better!

I think she dropped out but I'm not sure

I have hardly heard anyone mention Amnda Bynes and Raven, I don't think Amanda Bynes is funny, but at one point she was a movie front-woman. Mandy Moore is a good actress, but a better host, she's getting a little old to be mentioned in this group. All of the girls have talent one way or another, it's just what people choose to market them as!

Raven IMO, is gonna be the one to do the better movies, because I believe she's more talented than the whole group put in one. She's the smarter one, going strong with about 16 years in the buisness, she's never been involved in a cheesy tabloid story, she's earned her success. Nobody can explain how Raven appeals to some people so well. She hasn't starred in her OWN movie yet, but she's still mentioned among the teen movie stars.

Lindsay Lohan is gonna become the tabloid freak and do all the raunchy movies. I just don't care for her, because she's beggining to seem a little 'made-up'. Although she seems like a sweet girl, she seems too swayed to be somebody wild.

Hilary Duff is gonna be around for a little while longer, but I see her welcome wearing off already! Her music might carry her a little further, and her looks.

The Olsens are like the Hilton sisters to me, only good for photo opts, and they're rich and popular enough to sit out of the spotlight. Besides nothing will be the same with them anymore, since Mary-Kate's little accident(lol)!

I think Amanda Bynes is one of the funniest actresses around. And she still is a movie front-woman, besides starring in Big Fat Liar (2001) and What a Girl Wants (2003), her project "Lovewrecked" recently wrapped in the Dominican Republic, shes also set to star in another upcoming movie

I do agree with you about Raven, but we're her fans, its kind of our job to agree:lol: I'm not sure any1 else will

Originally posted by dukey
Concering Dawson's Creek, I have to disagree with you BuffySlayer, I found that show to be little more then a primetime soap opera. I don't think the writers respected their audiance at all. The very few episodes I saw were all rip-offs of famous movies. Their was an episode early on that was a total rip-off of The Breakfast Club.

well, I mostly used DC as an example because of the way the characters were written. The dialogue between the characters just didn't happen between real 15-year-olds... the writers wanted to make them as articulate as you could make a teen on television... yet compare it to how "Full House cheese" the Disney shows on currently are. DC was nothing groundbreaking, but the writers really went out of their way to make the characters be as intelligent as humanly possible, and I think that helped a post-teen market usually hesitent to watch teen soaps to embrace it.

I thought DC was an alright show, not something I'd buy on DVD, but it did have a nice run. And I do remember people in their 30's who really liked the show. The only adults I know who watch One Tree Hill (which basically is a remake of DC, even made in the same town and uses some of the same sets) are gay men who think Chad Michael Murray is hot, not for the actual plots.

Another teen show that is on, although most likely nearing the end of it's run (as it's nowhere as popular as it once was and Frankie Muniz seemed to lose a lot of popularity after the infamous Punk'd episode), that has had the ability to appeal to an older market, is Malcolm In The Middle

Originally posted by dukey
movies like American Pie (which was total exercise in stupidity) are the reason that we have the teenybopper movies that we have today.

AP was stupid, but it was funny and kinda was to the late 90's what Porkys and Revenge Of The Nerds were in the 80's. Definately not Oscar-worthy, but a lot of people thought it was hysterical... and it was R-rated, so older people thought it was funny, not younger.

Originally posted by Superstar
I do agree with you about Raven, but we're her fans, its kind of our job to agree:lol: I'm not sure any1 else will

No, I can seperate myself from 'fan', I didn't always like Raven, honestly. I used to think she was full of herself, until I realized I was just jealous cause she had more ambition than me:lol:. I became a fan because I realized how good a person she was overall, and that she just has a really proper disposition.

I also see now how, whenever Raven is put up against one of these girls, there's always something about her that they lack. So I was speaking from a broad point, not just as a fan.

Anyway the raunchy movies that some of you think were good, cannot be seen by little kids, who are propelling the teen and tween market right now. If you exclude kid comsumers from the buisness, you hardly have anything. Kids and teens go to the movies more than anybody, and no matter how cheesy the movies are they always go over 1,000,000 in the box office.

Originally posted by Nikki_luv
No, I can seperate myself from 'fan', I didn't always like Raven, honestly. I used to think she was full of herself, until I realized I was just jealous cause she had more ambition than me:lol:. I became a fan because I realized how good a person she was overall, and that she just has a really proper disposition.

I also see now how, whenever Raven is put up against one of these girls, there's always something about her that they lack. So I was speaking from a broad point, not just as a fan.

Anyway the raunchy movies that some of you think were good, cannot be seen by little kids, who are propelling the teen and tween market right now. If you exclude kid comsumers from the buisness, you hardly have anything. Kids and teens go to the movies more than anybody, and no matter how cheesy the movies are they always go over 1,000,000 in the box office.

but the difference is...

it's better if you can watch a movie now and then go "I bet I'll like it when I can see it in 5 years" than being too old and going "maybe I would've liked it... 5 years ago". The "adult" teen romps have longer shelf lives than the ones that kids outgrow when they turn 12. That is the deal with Full House, most of us who grew up with the show can't stand it now... even tho we still love Roseanne and the sort. Most FH fans I encounter on here were too young to have watched it when on ABC... so they are the perfect age for it, while those of us who did watch it then have long outgrown it. Whereas at the same time, shows from that era like Seinfeld and Roseanne are STILL "watchable" for us, even if we might've been slightly a little too young to completely "get" Seinfeld in 1991.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
apparently you've never heard of Drew Barrymore or Heather Matarazzo, they were doing movies 10 times the quality of the "Duff-fests" when they were the same age, compare Drew's 'bad girl all grown up' performance in Poison Ivy which she was 16 when she made to that what Hilary Duff is making now. Heather at the age of 13 gave a better performance in Welcome To The Dollhouse than Hilary or the Olsens will probably ever give. Hell, Keisha Castle-Hughes is only about 13-14 years old, and she gave one hell of a performance in Whale Rider that even got her nominated for an Oscar.

Today's teen crap sucks, face it. I knew people who were way out of their teens who enjoyed Clueless. I knew people who were way out of their teens who enjoyed American Pie. I can't think of any of todays teen movies that anyone out of their teens will enjoy except for perverted reasons. After a 90's where teen movies and series were playing UP to the audience (which also attractive a post-teen market.. many of the biggest Dawson's Creek and Buffy [YES IT WAS A TEEN SHOW FROM SEASONS 1-3] fans I've met were in their mid-20's when those shows began), now they're playing DOWN to them, and instead of being cool with teens and grown-ups... now it's cool to tweens and 9 year olds.

I have friends 10 years older than me who were into shows like Dawson, Roswell and Buffy in the late 90's, and even own them on DVD despite being older than the casts... they still loved those shows because they were teen programs that played up, not down to the audience, and because of that, even people in their thirties were engrossed in those programs. Yet nobody even in their 20's likes today's "teen stuff".

You get older, not younger, as life progresses.

Opinions are opinions but I wouldn't call it all bad. Freaky Friday had two great performances from Jamie Lee Curtis (who was nominated for a golden globe for her role) and Lindsay Lohan. Even this year had some decent teen movies such as Mean Girls and The Girl Next Door. There are you're really bad teen movies this year like Chasing Liberty, but I wouldn't call it the actors fault.

I would blame the writers and producers if you're angry with the way teen comedies are being handled. Actors are not the people to blame. If Hilary Duff didn't take the roles she took, believe me somebody else would be happy to play those parts. Its really awful the way you blame actors for the problems in the lack of decent original films.

Yes there are those teen roles in which actors have picked the best part to play but there are alot of things an actor must consider. Look at the Olsen twins, they have been basically playing the same role for the last 18 years of their life, yet they are so popular, rich and famous. People keep seeing their movies and buying their products. Did you ever think that maybe those are the parts their advised to play? Maybe an agent wants them to keep the same audience while their young. It is possible if they played in a part such as a serial killer than they would lose that audience and innocent look they've always had. Or maybe those are the only type of roles they are being offered. You don't know for sure. Maybe now that their 18 there is more roles to be considered. You also have to add in their certain 'look.' I wouldn't of expected to see Ashley Olsen in Whale Rider, would you? Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean you shouldn't respect them. I agree with you that television and movies are not the same that it was in the 90s, but I'm sure you can find the bad teen flicks and actors of the 90s. Remember the Freddie Prinze Jr. days? And just because teen actors haven't been giving the performance of a life time; does not mean that they can't ever become that type of actor. Rachel McAdams started out in The Hot Chick and Mean Girls, but did you see The Notebook? She had an amazing performance.

Originally posted by Nikki_luv
Anyway the raunchy movies that some of you think were good, cannot be seen by little kids, who are propelling the teen and tween market right now. If you exclude kid comsumers from the buisness, you hardly have anything. Kids and teens go to the movies more than anybody, and no matter how cheesy the movies are they always go over 1,000,000 in the box office.

not totally true. Tho it seems the case now because teens are so caught up in Radio Disney.

All three American Pie movies, R-rated teen flicks, grossed over $100 million. As did 2 of the 3 Scream films (and the third still made around $85-90 million). Why were those movies popular? teens over 16, and the fact that the movies actually lured in adults (the only adults you see at Hilary's movie are parents).

I don't get the "you have to lure in kids to do well" aspect. Why were shows like Sopranos and Sex And The City so damn popular on HBO, when they were TV-MA shows... meaning they were meant for adults only. I don't think those shows were hits because of the 9-12 market.

Same with a lot of other movies and tv shows... There are lots of things inappropriate for a 9 year olds eye that have made a lot of money.

I've never seen 'That's so Raven'- Raven's not as well known in the UK, I have however seen 'Hangin' with Mr Cooper'- but I'm pretty sure she's changed as an actress now, otherwise :mad:

Nikki_luv, the comment you made about Lohan being made up reminded me of something I read in Empire (i think it was empire) where the reviewer of New York Minute said The Olsens were all the one person, and that they were just the product of great special effects!

Originally posted by webuster
Nikki_luv, the comment you made about Lohan being made up reminded me of something I read in Empire (i think it was empire) where the reviewer of New York Minute said The Olsens were all the one person, and that they were just the product of great special effects!

LOL, thats true, they are! Lindsay Lohan is becoming a little like Paris Hilton right now....both seem to be partying all the time or involved in newstories.

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
not totally true. Tho it seems the case now because teens are so caught up in Radio Disney.
What's wrong with that? It's actually a pretty good station for people under 14, that's the target listeners.

All three American Pie movies, R-rated teen flicks, grossed over $100 million. As did 2 of the 3 Scream films (and the third still made around $85-90 million). Why were those movies popular? teens over 16, and the fact that the movies actually lured in adults (the only adults you see at Hilary's movie are parents).
But, every movie you mention has strong sexual content, I'm talking about including children in our viewing. One reason why they make so much money, I honestly thought Scream was good, after that I couldn't take it. American Pie is not really funny, I definitly won't think it's something memorable. I sure don't want any of my younger siblings and relatives watching things like that.

I don't get the "you have to lure in kids to do well" aspect. Why were shows like Sopranos and Sex And The City so damn popular on HBO, when they were TV-MA shows... meaning they were meant for adults only. I don't think those shows were hits because of the 9-12 market.
All I'm saying is, you can't leave little kids out of things because we as adults and teens are selfish thinking everything has to be to our liking. Seems what you're implying is that. a TV show or movie has to have explicit adults situations for grown-ups to enjoy? I mean, that's what Sopranos and SATC contain.

Same with a lot of other movies and tv shows... There are lots of things inappropriate for a 9 year olds eye that have made a lot of money.

Inappropriate is the word. I wasn't exactly agreeing with the article I posted, I only agreed to the part of which teens they're overusing, and how they're misusing the talented ones. If they do, poppy bubblegum movies there's complaining, if they do raunchy inappropriate things and movies, they're selling out on their audiences but making teens and adults happy.

Just let em hang in for a minute, and when they reach 21 and are doing the same movies over and over, bring on the criticism.

Originally posted by webuster
I've never seen 'That's so Raven'- Raven's not as well known in the UK, I have however seen 'Hangin' with Mr Cooper'- but I'm pretty sure she's changed as an actress now, otherwise :mad:


From what I heard, the show is pretty popular in the U.k., and doing really well in ratings. As for Raven, I don't know.

Originally posted by Nikki_luv
From what I heard, the show is pretty popular in the U.k., and doing really well in ratings. As for Raven, I don't know.


Ok well That's so Raven is popular in the US to.

Originally posted by Lizzie McGuire
Ok well That's so Raven is popular in the US to.


Yea it is