Who else likes them equally ?

I do.

I loved Frasier all the way through but in the 11th season, I just don't know.

I love them equally too! But I still think Cheers had a better run. But in terms of entertainment, they're both equally superb.

They're both superb in terms of sheer entertainment & unique writing . Run ? Who cares about that ? They both stayed interesting & entertaining in there 11 year run .

I like both, but Cheers was a much better show.

No way ! They're equally good !

Originally posted by CliffClavin
No way ! They're equally good !

You said so yourself that Cheers had the better run - implying that Cheers is the better show.

I still love both equally - but I believe Cheers is better in terms of quality.

Originally posted by Chambers
You said so yourself that Cheers had the better run - implying that Cheers is the better show.

I still love both equally - but I believe Cheers is better in terms of quality.


Cheers was a better show of what I've seen of it. Frasier is ok.

I like both shows equally.

I love them both! But you had to love Cheers first in order to really LOVE Frasier...http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/dance1.gif


Feen

Yeah, Then we would have never been introduced to Dr.Frasier Crane.

I've come to the conclusion that I like both equally.

Although, I think at their bests.... Frasier surpassed Cheers.

But as for overall run, Cheers stayed consistently better.

Frasier had its on & off moments , huh ?

Frasier had some great writing! - so did Cheers but CHEERS had more players, set in a bar - giving it more elbow room, whereas, FRASIER had radio show and family... does that make any sense?


Feen

Originally posted by Moondance
Frasier had some great writing! - so did Cheers but CHEERS had more players, set in a bar - giving it more elbow room, whereas, FRASIER had radio show and family... does that make any sense?


Feen

I know you'll hate me for this.... but Frasier went downhill (it didnt crash, just a slight slip) when Niles and Daphne got together.
The same could be said for Cheers when Diane left, but I feel of all 22 seasons (between the 2 shows).... the best and worst both come from Frasier.

I think what really matters is that they both have entertained us for years & years .

Ok ?

Originally posted by CliffClavin
I think what really matters is that they both have entertained us for years & years .

Ok ?

Then why have the thread??
Why have the message boards??

If we all agreed on everything.... it would be boring.
Just like if everyone on TV shows agreed on everything.... it would be boring.

Originally posted by barwars
I know you'll hate me for this.... but Frasier went downhill (it didnt crash, just a slight slip) when Niles and Daphne got together.
The same could be said for Cheers when Diane left, but I feel of all 22 seasons (between the 2 shows).... the best and worst both come from Frasier.

I can see that.

*awkward silence*

...I have nothing to add, just wanted to voice my agreement.

Originally posted by barwars
I know you'll hate me for this.... but Frasier went downhill (it didnt crash, just a slight slip) when Niles and Daphne got together.
The same could be said for Cheers when Diane left, but I feel of all 22 seasons (between the 2 shows).... the best and worst both come from Frasier.

Nah, I won't hate you for that. I've read in articles about how some fans didn't want Niles and Daphne to get together because of the sexual tension going away. I love when shows build up to a relationship. I can handle it - I watch soaps, so I know!

Darn that Jump the Shark! :p

I still love Niles and Daphne - and I'm in the percentage that loved Diane and Sam getting together! I love being out of the ordinary!


Feen

I guessing both shows entertained us if they didn't, Why would be here if they didn't ?

Originally posted by CliffClavin
I guessing both shows entertained us if they didn't, Why would be here if they didn't ?

Who is saying they weren't entertaining? We're having a discussion. That's what you should except when you ask a question like that...

Originally posted by barwars
Then why have the thread??
Why have the message boards??

If we all agreed on everything.... it would be boring.
Just like if everyone on TV shows agreed on everything.... it would be boring.

I agree with Barwars on this. Sure we like the same show, but we have our own opinions.


Feen

I was just trying to say something & its getting confused by people so nevermind :rolleyes: .

Yeah I know people have different opinions but I was just trying to say something.

You may be interested in reading this comparative piece, Cliff.

http://pvsunday.blogspot.com/2004_01_11_pvsunday_archive.html


Here's an excerpt:

What I found striking while reviewing these episodes is that I remembered more of the punch lines from Cheers but more plotlines from Frasier. In a way, that summarizes the two shows: Cheers was an exchange of witticisms with more than enough characters to keep it interesting. Frasier, by relying on a smaller cast, was forced to develop the characters it had — sometimes well, sometimes not, but always moving forward. While Cheers rarely used the possibilities its characters offered — such as Sam's alcoholism — the finest episodes of Cheers, in fact, may have come in season 11 when Frasier discovers Lilith has been unfaithful and wants a divorce. In its early years, Frasier retained this emotional core, but it faded over time; in its last season, however, Frasier has improved and refocused on its core three characters, but it still does not possess the strength of the earlier episodes.

Ok. It didn't posess the strength it did in earlier seasons thats ok , but any show that runs 11 years is going have its ups & downs.


Cool article.

LOS ANGELES -- When the blue-collar barroom comedy "Cheers" ended its run in 1993, it managed the neat trick of turning beer into champagne.

"Frasier," the "Cheers" spinoff about psychiatrist Frasier Crane and his dysfunctional family, became its own vintage blend of sparkling wit and dependably funny highbrow neuroses.

The NBC comedy's last episode airs tonight, closing a remarkable 22-year chapter in television history in which it matched the 11-season run of "Cheers" and became one of TV's most successful spinoffs.

It's an accomplishment a demanding sort like Dr. Crane would relish. Series star Kelsey Grammer certainly does. He believes "Frasier," with David Hyde Pierce as Frasier's brother and partner-in-repartee Niles, raised the TV bar.

"I'm proud of it. I have something I can look to, point out and say, 'Well, I did that,'" said Grammer. "There is an audience for these guys. We proved that. Most of America, frankly, is much smarter than television assumes they are."

The series debuted Sept. 16, 1993. Effete, erudite Frasier's style was matched by fellow shrink Niles but clashed with dad Martin (John Mahoney), a down-to-earth, disabled policeman who ended up bunking with Frasier. Others in the ensemble cast included Jane Leeves as Daphne, Martin's caregiver and the object of Niles' yearning and Peri Gilpin as Frasier's sassy producer.

There was a succession of squeezes for Frasier. The latest flame is Charlotte, played by Laura Linney, who features prominently in the two-hour finale, which includes a retrospective at 8 p.m. Now-married Niles and Daphne, awaiting the birth of their baby, and Martin and fiancee Ronee (Wendie Malick) share the spotlight.

There's no expectation that "Frasier" will draw the 80.4 million viewers who tuned in for the last "Cheers," making it the second-most watched TV series finale ever, or even the 50 million-plus who watched last week's finale of "Friends." ("M-A-S-H" was seen by 105 million viewers.)

"I feel the producers have been able to bring the whole series, for 11 years, to a really sterling conclusion," said Pierce.

I like them equally.

I would have to say the feeling is mutual Brian.

I've only been a Frasier fan for roughly a year, but I have to say that it was a fantastic series. Better than Cheers and almost as good as Seinfeld.

The final series was the best by far, not quite Fawlty Towers, but outstanding never the less.

I found Cheers to be a little slow moving and often repetitive at times. Oh, and I HATE that Diane character, she ruined most of the first 3 series.

Anybody got a complete set of cheers in DVD or DivX form?

Originally posted by tota
I've only been a Frasier fan for roughly a year, but I have to say that it was a fantastic series. Better than Cheers and almost as good as Seinfeld.

The final series was the best by far, not quite Fawlty Towers, but outstanding never the less.

I found Cheers to be a little slow moving and often repetitive at times. Oh, and I HATE that Diane character, she ruined most of the first 3 series.

Anybody got a complete set of cheers in DVD or DivX form?

I hope to have all of them on DVD once they're all released.

I myself think Frasier hit it's peak earlier on - season 11 was good, but not the best in my opinion.

And as for Diane...well...maybe she's an acquired taste.

By the way - welcome to the board! :)

Originally posted by Chambers
And as for Diane...well...maybe she's an acquired taste.

By the way - welcome to the board! :) [/B]

Thanks.

An acquired taste? Like cancer or AIDS?

I've bought every DVD box set so far , but how long before every season is released? Two years? Damn it, I want them now!

Diane was hilarious the second she walked into the bar, everything about her is hilarious, from her mannerisms, her thoughts on life, to just her general comments


something is just absolutely hilarious about her trying to bring culture to that bar

Her and Sam's relationship was a bit of a downer though, it is kind of protrayed as him doing bad/stupid things all the time, then later on you realize he was actually trying

Originally posted by tota
Thanks.

An acquired taste? Like cancer or AIDS?

I've bought every DVD box set so far , but how long before every season is released? Two years? Damn it, I want them now!

I think what Chambers meant by acquired taste is... Well, take beer for instance, usually when people first try it they think it's disgusting, but if they keep drinking it, they eventually begin to like it. It's not the same thing as an acquired DISEASE.

I do agree about the box sets though, I'm getting anxious. :)

Originally posted by tota
Thanks.

An acquired taste? Like cancer or AIDS?


First cellphones and now comedy?? Everything causes cancer these days! ;)

Who are your favorite characters?

Originally posted by Chambers
First cellphones and now comedy?? Everything causes cancer these days!


Don't worry Chambers, those liberal scientists also told us that cigarettes caused cancer.
Soon those damn commie bastards are going to have us putting warnings before each sitcom!

edited out

nope

Originally posted by periacta
Don't worry Chambers, those liberal scientists also told us that cigarettes caused cancer.
Soon those damn commie bastards are going to have us putting warnings before each sitcom!

For some, all they'll have to put is "Warning - This show sucks anyways, just change it"


ELR, anyone??

Originally posted by barwars
For some, all they'll have to put is "Warning - This show sucks anyways, just change it"


ELR, anyone??

ELR and almost every other sitcom currently airing (Arrested Development being the exception, of course).

Originally posted by Chambers
ELR and almost every other sitcom currently airing (Arrested Development being the exception, of course).

Of.
Although, I like Scrubs too.
And a few of ABC's sitcoms arent bad.... but they definately arent at the top of my list.

Originally posted by barwars
Of.
Although, I like Scrubs too.
And a few of ABC's sitcoms arent bad.... but they definately arent at the top of my list.

Scrubs is a very funny show. But I kinda missed out on the last season...well, I missed out on a lot of current TV this past year.

I never miss a single tv show. Well, unless iam at a party or at my relatives house, I hate that because I miss my damn shows.I call tv my precious like gollum & my second god.

Originally posted by Chambers
Scrubs is a very funny show. But I kinda missed out on the last season...well, I missed out on a lot of current TV this past year.

A lot of people didnt like this season, but I loved it.
The Turk/Carla wedding was a great season finale.
(and being a Michael J. Fox fan, his appearances were the highlight of the series)

Originally posted by CliffClavin
I never miss a single tv show. Well, unless iam at a party or at my relatives house, I hate that because I miss my damn shows.I call tv my precious like gollum & my second god.

you're a weird kid.

Iam normal.

I love tv.

Thats normal.

Everybody's weird nobody's entirely perfect.

Pretty cool though ,right barwars?

Originally posted by barwars
A lot of people didnt like this season, but I loved it.
The Turk/Carla wedding was a great season finale.
(and being a Michael J. Fox fan, his appearances were the highlight of the series)

I believe I managed to watch one of Michael's appearances - oh, and John Ritter's appearance.

Speaking of John Ritter...there's something I regret to this day...I was in a line at a museum in Italy, and John and his wife were standing behind me. I was too embarrassed to ask them for an autograph...but I should have....damn.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
Pretty cool though ,right barwars?

not really

Originally posted by Chambers
I believe I managed to watch one of Michael's appearances - oh, and John Ritter's appearance.

Speaking of John Ritter...there's something I regret to this day...I was in a line at a museum in Italy, and John and his wife were standing behind me. I was too embarrassed to ask them for an autograph...but I should have....damn.

Im both jealous -- and I pity you at the same time.
is that bad??

I like joking around alot too. Also I love using sarcasm.

I love me some tv though I take it seriously.

Does anyone else hate it when people are doing something else while you think there watching the show with you then later they ask a whole bunch of q's because they really did not pay attention ?

Originally posted by barwars
Im both jealous -- and I pity you at the same time.
is that bad??

I'm an idiot. It also didn't help that I spent 15 minutes trying to figure out if that was realy him (he was wearing a hat, sunglasses and he had his hair dyed blond).

You should have humed the Three's Company theme song & see what he did.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
You should have humed the Three's Company theme song & see what he did.

That's exactly the type of fan behavior I wanted to avoid. Well, at least I still have the memory. You can lose autographs, but memories last forever. Unless you get amnesia.

Oh :( sorry Diane. :D

You should have listened to the way he talked or something like that.

Originally posted by Chambers
That's exactly the type of fan behavior I wanted to avoid. Well, at least I still have the memory. You can lose autographs, but memories last forever. Unless you get amnesia.

Exactly.
Its like people with video cameras, they think so much about capturing stuff on video that they forget to experience it for themselves.

And really, when do people watch home movies??
(unless someone dies, but still -- Id rather have the memories)

Originally posted by CliffClavin
Oh :( sorry Diane. :D

You should have listened to the way he talked or something like that.

her name isnt Diane.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
Oh :( sorry Diane. :D

You should have listened to the way he talked or something like that.

...who are you calling Diane?

And I realized it was him eventually. I just didn't say anything to him.

Originally posted by Chambers
And I realized it was him eventually. I just didn't say anything to him.

You spent 15 minutes in front of someone in a line waiting for something, and didnt say a word to them??
(on top of that.... a celebrity!!)

Originally posted by barwars
You spent 15 minutes in front of someone in a line waiting for something, and didnt say a word to them??
(on top of that.... a celebrity!!)

Yeah I know, pathetic.
I was 11 or so and not too familiar with his work (maybe even more pathetic). So I didn't get what a big deal it was until later.

I might as well call you Diane your screen name is Chambers.Thats stupid huh?

I know more about movies & tv then my parents because I look up information on the net ,watch the E! True Hollywood Stories,Read books on those subjects & I have a memory for useless info.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
I might as well call you Diane your screen name is Chambers.

I might as well call you dumbass your screen name is CliffClavin.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
I might as well call you Diane your screen name is Chambers.

I'd rather you call me Chambers, please.

Originally posted by Chambers
I was 11 or so and not too familiar with his work (maybe even more pathetic).

Ouch, very.
Three's Company is sitcom art.
Maybe they should've shown that at the Italian musuem.

Ok ok Iam sorry . I be nice & someone calls me a name. I will call you Chambers.I was just trying something out.

Originally posted by barwars
Ouch, very.
Three's Company is sitcom art.
Maybe they should've shown that at the Italian musuem.

Haha Would have been a lot more entertaining.

Originally posted by CliffClavin
Ok ok Iam sorry . I be nice & someone calls me a name. I will call you Chambers.I was just trying something out.

No matter how many names you're called in life Cliff Clavin, you'll always be #1 to me!

Cliffie, you're the best!

Britney your feaking me out & don't call me cliffie AAAAAA:mad:

Originally posted by CliffClavin
Britney your feaking me out & don't call me cliffie AAAAAA:mad:

I love your sense of humor. You make me smile:D


How is everyone today? Watch any Cheers??

Iam being serious.You are one weird broad.I mean it.

I get confused sometimes. It might be the medication, I don't know... LOL I'm joking!!!

Cliff, do you not like me? What did I ever do to you? I thought this was a friendly message board!

Bad day today thats all

Well, I hope you're blessed with many good days. I really don't mean to be a pain in your booty.

They were both good, but I liked Cheers a lot better, I never really got into Fraiser

CliffClavin, what I dont understand is whyyou always say "Iam"


And my brother knows Tyler Ritter's roommate. He hasnt met Tyler though, he just found out that was his roommate the day before he was flying home from UPenn for the summer.

He isnt a TC fan, so even if he had met Tyler, he wouldnt have been that excited.

Originally posted by ThirteenInchEscape
CliffClavin, what I dont understand is whyyou always say "Iam"


And my brother knows Tyler Ritter's roommate. He hasnt met Tyler though, he just found out that was his roommate the day before he was flying home from UPenn for the summer.

He isnt a TC fan, so even if he had met Tyler, he wouldnt have been that excited.

Who's Tyler Ritter??

I believe that he is the late John Ritter's son. He stars in one of the new teeny bopper beach shows.


I could be wrong though...

John's son Jason Ritter stars in Joan of Arcadia

Tyler hasnt acted at all, but I still would have thought it was very cool if my brother had actually met him.

He just found out because someone was talking to his roommate, and asked where he live, and the kid said "Doesn't John Ritter's son live in that area?" and they guy said "yeah, he's my roommate"

My brother just told me because he know's I'm a TC fanatic