Okay, I've looked at a few forums, and after an alarming rate of Bad traders, i've compiled this list, with all avilable data present. I highly advise that you bookmark this list, and check it out when attempting a new trade.

If anyone has any additional detials, respond to this thread.

I hope this helps many traders,

protecting the trade,

KU7UK

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Web page: http://www.geocities.com/ku7uk/bad.html

BAD TRADERS:

These people are pure scum. They steal sets and your money. Do not trust them.

To Report Mail Fraud, Click Here:
https://www.usps.com/postalinspecto...udComplaint.htm

For internet Fraud, Click here:
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

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Hard©Heavy dvds/dvdr

<hardheavydvds@hotmail.com>

Previous list (For comparison):

http://b26.ezboard.com/fwhatevermania43901frm13.showMessage?topicID=864.topic

Known Addresses:

ADRIANO NUNES SOUTO
RUA PADRE EUSTAQUIO 2798
BH-MG 30720-100
BRAZIL

ALBERTO NUNES
RUA PE. EUSTÁQUIO 2798
BH - MINAS GERAIS
30720-100
BRASIL

TvBlast DVD
Rua Pe. Eustaquio 2798
Belo Horizonte - MG
30720-100
Brazil

Names Used in the past:

1. Al Emrerley
2. ALBERTO NUNES
3. ADRIANO NUNES SOUTO
4. CAROL
5. Carolina Lacerda

Phone# 51-31 99811763

Known Alias:

“gLamShoCk" <glamshock@hollywoodkids.com>

"MARRIED... WITH CHILDREN" Rachel Bowman (East Rutherford, New Jersey) <mwctv@yahoo.com>

"jesse clink" Jeff V. (Cairns, Australia) <taz@perthwesternaustralia.net>

"Classic Tv Trade" <classictvtrade@yahoo.com>

Robbie Wickens (Norwich, England) r_wickens97@postmaster.co.uk

Carolina Lacerda <tvblastdvd@hotmail.com>

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RENOZACK

Known Addresses:

Zack Martens
2242 Sycamore Glen Dr.
Sparks, NV 89434

Zack Martens
PO Box 51913
Sparks, NV 89435

known e-mail addresses:

renozack@h...
tazzmission@j...
Chono_4_Life@b...
SmackdownHotel316@w...
Timbaland15@w...
ZapatStudios@h...
zapstudios2003@y...

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James' website: http://www.freewebs.com/cheesetrades/

cheeseman2265@aol.com
jamesmccollum12@aol.com
Silver@comic.com
acetrading2001@yahoo.com
acetrading2001@yahoo.com

J mcclum
1358 bordeaux dr
lexington kentucky
40504

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Pamela Beaty

Alias:

P. Maples
Paul Maples
Pam Maples
Pam Beaty
William Beaty
William Maples
tv homeland

capeside_93@hotmail.com
beatyp@bellsouth.net
loudonslim@hotmail.com
tvland7@hotmail.com

Pamela Beaty
2931 Bradhsaw Rd.
Loudon, TN. 37774-5150
865) 458-7973

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www.freewebs.com/videopages/

RAGSTORICHESFAN@aol.com
gothamaster@aol.com

Patricia Shackett
PO Box 102
Fair Haven,
VT 05743

Other Alias:
Richard Johnson
Joe Geary
Pam Maples
Video Guy
Gothamaster
RagstoRichesFan
NotanAngel
Bad karma

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Justin Richards = disneychannel

journeytoavonlea@hotmail.com
uhohbgmc@wmconnect.com

Justin Richards
**** E. Bellerive Pl.
Chandler, AZ 85249

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Marcie Bower. from Belleville, Michigan.

Alias:

BrandyBrown25
Marcie Bower
Adrienne Charles
Jewel48192
Ivy Miller
Mary Little
Brandi
mmcnum1fan
mmcchic23
tvshowluver25
fastlanechick1980
TruDushku
Lucy

And emails:

honest_trades_only@yahoo.com
huronchick53@yahoo.com
marcie_21@webtv.net
muzicfan23@netzero.com
mmcnum1fan@yahoo.com
mmcchic23@yahoo.com
tvshowluver@yahoo.com
ADMABOCH@WEBTV.NET

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ABEL

Abel Modero - lives in Bayonne, NJ.

Alias:

leprincelestat
daprincelestat
abel modero
davampyrlestat@yahoo.com
davampyrlestat
leprincelestat@aol.com

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Mike Carroll (cigar99999)

farmerboy_9999@yahoo.com

Mike Carroll
58 Meredith Ridge Road
Leitchfield, KY 42754

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anydvdmovie@hotmail.com
creationistruth@hotmail.com
slikkbradd@yahoo.com
anydvd4u@yahoo.com

612-483-0602

Garret Zenanko
45** Douglas Dr
Crystal MN 55422

OR

FULL MOON VIDEO
22** S PLYMOUTH RD suite 115
MINNETONKA MN 55305

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TV_Shows_Freak (Dewayne Danford)

This is his website http://www.geocities.com/sitcoms_galore/

also has the e-mail

sitcoms_galore@yahoo.com
bluntman@bellsouth.net

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Alex Rodriguez (aka moustacherock)

2911 Park Meadows Dr. #255
Bakersfield,
CA, 93308

moustacherockrecords@hotmail.com

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TCHANTI@COMCAST.NET

Karma Elchanti
8237 Honey Lane
Carlton MI 48187

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ebay name: dmsuck
e-mail name: george hamilton
e-mail: dms@dickmysuck.com

Rakesh Nirmal
24 Homeview AV
Toronto, ON
M6N 1S8
Canada

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Other Bad Traders:

*Michael (Kevin), KERRYR1@msn.com, DailyplanetDvds, Gioia(uses other aliases)
Tons2offeryou@yahoo.com,Vcdvhstrader (Lisa Smith)
Kazooie
Warlock Lod
Kawaii Puu
Loudinslim@hotmail.com/ Pamela839@hotmail.com
RBStebbin@aol.com or ICopy2DVD@aol.com
artike80@cyberus.ca
Shipmaten@yahoo.com
James Mcullum aka silvercomic, cheeseman
Robert, aka Eddiemunster, Version01/version76 etc
Mpgmpg123@aol.com
Mike_and_Beth (Miguel)
mansonx@comcast.net
mastergundam/allen/mike jay" (Syracuse, NY)
Zenmodern@yahoo.com
smackdown53@excite.com
Fullhousefever: real name: Jeremy Augst (barrywilliamsfan03@yahoo.com)
acidburnz1107@aol.com
ANTHONY PECARO : lived in San Jose, California
leeroy = Tina Ledbetter = joafan@webtv.net
Remigio Rozzga from Poland - wdsm42@yahoo.com
"DuhamelHottie" (angelzchik@hotmail.com)
folkersdy@aol.com
Swinngerr@aol.com
Joe Raposa, beware oeraposa@earthlink.net

This is the BEST List! I see Pam Maples and TruDusku in ther as well. Jennifer had problems with both of them... Maybe Agent 13 Can Make this a Sticky Topic, and Keep It Up On Top of the forums, or at least "Cut and Paste" this post and addit to the Good/Bad Traders Thread.. :eek:

Great List! Traders Beware!
:mad:

ku7uk,

Thank you for all of the work you've gone through to compile this listing! Don't be surprised if some of these people retaliate and list you as a bad trader, which is a typical response in such cases. :(

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Beavis, alias Tony,

I'd happily put up a bad trader sticky post; however, I've asked TJ on many occasions, and he doesn't want one because of the legalities involved with it.

Besides that, this tape trading board is a miniscule section of tvlinksonline, and since TJ is not a regular trader himself, he has little interest in such a thing.

I'll ask TJ if I might add it as a link on the good traders sticky post.

Jen

Originally posted by Agent 13
ku7uk,

Thank you for all of the work you've gone through to compile this listing!

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Beavis, alias Tony,

I'd happily put up a bad trader sticky post; however, I've asked TJ on many occasions, and he doesn't want one because of the legalities involved with it.

Besides that, this tape trading board is a miniscule section of tvlinksonline, and since TJ is not a regular trader himself, he has little interest in such a thing.

I'll ask TJ if I might add it as a link on the good traders sticky post.

Jen


Agent13 alias Jennifer, Thanks for the heads up, this makes sense, I had no idea... :wave:

Good news! TJ gave permission to link this bad traders compilation under
Good Trader Posts Only (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98617) sticky post.

Hopefully this will help keep trading safer for everybody. Thanks for the great idea, Beavis!

Jen :wave:

:wave:

I like to know what gives you the right to post me as a bad trader. I haven't dealt with you, and you have no damn right posting me as a bad trader. Give me one example.

I've posted on numerous boards for over a year now, and I've never gotten the first complaint.

And I think it's funny that you post this obvious bull***** here, (on a two bit ezboard) and not on a better known message board. I had to be told by a friend about your "lovely" slander. Did you think of contacting me before you posted this garbage. I ask you to either, a) provide proof of your "bad" experience or b) remove my name from your list.

Farmerboy 99999,

I noticed you just recently registered on this board today, and are remaining anonymous. Why? Who are you on that list?

1. This list is not necessarily traders the topic starter has dealt with personally, rather it is a KNOWN compilation through intense research throughout the internet and various, various message board communities and trader forums, where ALL these "bad traders" have scammed, ripped off many folks, either once, or several times, etc.. and therefore, are fair game

If you do NOT wish to be listed as a bad trader (first of all no one here knows who you are since you didn't state where you are on THIS list of BAD TRADERS...so why worry? Enough said. Tell us who you are on this list. Since you registered anonymously... :lol:

If you have an issue with YOUR name being on THIS list, you need to perform your OWN research and hit all the message board communities and tape trading websites, and you'll find YOUR name posted throughout the community (whoever you are and whose identity you're hiding from here) and clear your name, since you won't say who you are on THIS LIST OF BAD TRADERS...Correct?

I don't know who you are, but am GLAD this list is POSTED here for ALL people to be aware of, ESPECIALLY the mailing addresses and zipcodes of the BAD TRADERS since that would be a SURE give-away, when setting up trades...if you're on this list, either via identified with username or e-mail address, or full mailing address, etc.. then it is there for a reason and YOU need to go find out why there's so much caution when dealing with you, if you're on this list... Please tell us who you are on this list. Would you offer that to us? You probably won't so as not to give yourself away... No one knows here who you are, just you and others that have dealt with you, right? I don't know who you are. But I'm NOT trading with those on that list, REGARDLESS of what anyone says... they're scammers, and verified and is most accurate. :lol:

But rest assured, whoever you are on this list, you're being watched closely, and monitored, and folks will have to stay away from EVERYONE on this list... I don't ever deal with these BAD TRADERS... just the good ones![B] :wave:

Look on the bright side, you would surely want others to warn [B]you of crappy, bad traders and scam artists, wouldn't you? Well then? The topic thread starter is WARNING this Message Board Community of SCAM ARTISTS and BAD TRADERS such as those on that list This list is the perfect vehicle to PREVENT bad traders from scamming and encourage fourm members to keep a more watchful eye on emails, aliases, websites, zipcodes, trading lists, changing of e-mails, etc...

just my two cents.
Oh, and Welcome! :wave:
Enjoy! :wave: :lol: :lol:

N/A

tvobscurities,

Of course a list like this is subjective, but for the most part, if you've frequented tape trading boards much at all, you will have recognized most of the names listed here, either from this board or others. Some of these have ripped off many many people netting thousands of dollars while others only one person, and others have been banned from this board for fighting and using multiple IDs.

It is important to note that bad traders often post undeserved negative feedback on their victims. In a situation like that, it may take time for the truth to come out. :(

Awhile back, one of these bad traders contacted me for a trade, and I just told her that since her reputation preceded her, she needed to send first. I never heard from her again.

A common thread among most of those on the list, is a less than pristine level of honesty, a necessary ingredient in the tape trading world.

Incidentally, this list is by no means complete. In this world, I think this list would more aptly be called The Almost Complete Bad Traders List. :(

Jen

N/A

Originally posted by tvobscurities
Perhaps because I don't trade I'm not really concerned and therefore I'm less worried about being ripped off myself and more worried about someone being blacklisted (shades of 1950s Hollywood, anyone?).
I understand your point completely. Once a rip-off artist posted me as the bad trader, in retaliation. I had to send first for months, no matter who initiated the trade, but I was just thankful that I was trading. Eventually my name was cleared, praise the Lord. :D

Jen :wave:

Hey,

I really like the idea of this list. It will come in handy in the future. I have been burned a few times. Once by someone on this list. tvobscurities I don't think we should black list these people on this list. But take it as a warning. If I get contacted by anyone on this list, I would require them to send first and tell them if all goes great I'll post a positive trade report on this board. Then everyone who knows me will know that I was done right by that trader. See, with this list a person could be able to repair their reputation. Agent 13 did exactly what I do and she was kept from a bad trade by asking them to send 1st. I love trading. :)
But hate being used!:(

Well, thats my 2 cents:wave:

Okay,

i'm not going to get in a debating war over this list. It was ment to
help people. Off course people are going to complain about it, but then those people are either rippers, or havent experienced being ripped yet. All those who had been ripped before have told me that this list is extremly useful.

This list was compiled by bad-trader reports obtained over the 8 most used trading forums. (There are 33 that I know off).

Anyone on that list has at least 2 reports made against them. One
report was not enough to make it onto the list, as the parcel could
simply have been lost in the post. Each name required verification to be put on it.

There are some traders who filed bad reports saying that they ordered the complete set of a show, and only recieved half of it. These people were also not put on the list, as something was recieved, and so they do not warrant a bad trader rep at the moment.

Complete refrences for all on the list, including all posts about
them can be found in either the cartoon presevation, google_groups, sitcom or yahoo forums. As they all had active search engines, and they can be used to locate their details. I did not list the active link as that would give access to other bad traders to new forums.

I have listed all details regarding them, as many have ripped people off, and then taken up an alias to continue ripping people. This way, we can eliminate the problem.

This list has already saved three people today from being ripped off. Which has made the work worthwhile.

As for my reputation, I have been trading for 6 years now. And grow tired of it anyway. Just type in ku7uk into any search engine to see how big I am. I have been using this forum for a while, but I don't post here often because nobody has any shows That I don't already have. Is that a crime now?
Anyone who knows me, knows I am a respecatable trader, and just trying to help. I have been ripped off 6 times myself, and understand the grief it causes.

Please use this list as a guide. Save it for refrence. Obviously bad traders will have multiple idenities to back each other up. And they will try to destroy the list. I do not care. It is to be expected. Use this list as an aid in trading. Its the best form off help I can offer to new traders. You don't have to listen to it, but I strongly advise that you do.

In hope that we can make trading a better experience,

ku7uk

p.s: there are many, many good traders as well. so please keep
trading!

N/A

Originally posted by tvobscurities
And now we know first hand the problem with bad traders lists. How does one define a bad trader? Is it someone who messes up a trade once, and tries to rectify it? Is a bad trader someone who does everything right but the other person involved isn't happy and tries to blacklist the other trader?



How is this list verified? How do we know everyone on the list is a scammer?

For all we know, half the people on that list could have done nothing wrong yet someone was in a pissy mood and decided to lie about a trade. And for what its worth, the "bad traders list" is ku7uk's first post...

And Beavis, with all due respect, that post is wacked out!


oh please :rolleyes:

Originally posted by tvobscurities
And now we know first hand the problem with bad traders lists. How does one define a bad trader? Is it someone who messes up a trade once, and tries to rectify it? Is a bad trader someone who does everything right but the other person involved isn't happy and tries to blacklist the other trader?



How is this list verified? How do we know everyone on the list is a scammer?

For all we know, half the people on that list could have done nothing wrong yet someone was in a pissy mood and decided to lie about a trade. And for what its worth, the "bad traders list" is ku7uk's first post...

And Beavis, with all due respect, that post is wacked out!


in all fairness i believe that tv obscurities has some valid points
i first read this list on tv tape trade and someone comlplaine d that they were on it ku7uk then replied saying that he had made a mistake and that the trader didn't have enough ticks against her name so to speak to warrant being on the list .but he couldn't edit the post
here is the trader they are classed as good until something changes

Marcie Bower. from Belleville, Michigan.

Alias:

BrandyBrown25
Marcie Bower
Adrienne Charles
Jewel48192
Ivy Miller
Mary Little
Brandi
mmcnum1fan
mmcchic23
tvshowluver25
fastlanechick1980
TruDushku
Lucy

And emails:

honest_trades_only@yahoo.com
huronchick53@yahoo.com
marcie_21@webtv.net
muzicfan23@netzero.com
mmcnum1fan@yahoo.com
mmcchic23@yahoo.com
tvshowluver@yahoo.com
ADMABOCH@WEBTV.NET


although this person is classed as good i find it interesting that if she is genuine why does she have eleven aliases multiple emails , and a few usernames that have been banned by this forum

just my thoughts which could be wrong ,it is getting late :sleep2:

Jason,

While I wouldn't necessarily label a banned member a bad trader, I would think of her more as a trading risk.

By the way, TJ and pavandal are the only ones that can ban people and delete posts, and they only do that with much provocation.

"la caveat emptor."

N/A

Fullhousefever: real name: Jeremy Augst (barrywilliamsfan03@yahoo.com)
acidburnz1107@aol.com

I am AcidBurnz1107! I am not barrywilliamsfan,fullhousefever or jeremy august! Please update your info! i am a female he is a male! i am 23! i have 2 kids! my point is i am not him and do not wish to be linked with him

Originally posted by AcidBurnz1107
Fullhousefever: real name: Jeremy Augst (barrywilliamsfan03@yahoo.com)
acidburnz1107@aol.com

I am AcidBurnz1107! I am not barrywilliamsfan,fullhousefever or jeremy august! Please update your info! i am a female he is a male! i am 23! i have 2 kids! my point is i am not him and do not wish to be linked with him

don't panic just yet!!:D

if you look carefully at how the list is done you will notice that

Fullhousefever: real name: Jeremy Augst (barrywilliamsfan03@yahoo.com)

are all the same person and then you are listed spearately below

acidburnz1107@aol.com

ku7uk doesn't put the email address of a trader on a different line . have another look from the top of that section and you will know what i mean


:wave:

Ohh ok. Every1 that is listing us as bad traders are putting me after him so you could see why i thought that. Really i didnt even know i was on a bad traders list til some1 told me.

Any more bad traders? I love this thread and it should be kept up here on top for all to see... :lol: :happyface :wave:

Beavis,

Take s'more chances and maybe you'll be able to add to the bad traders hall of fame. :D :lol: ;)

Agent 13

:confused: :confused: :confused:
:( :(

:wave:

I was speaking tongue in cheek... No insult intended. :)

In other words, don't do trader checks and automatically send first, no matter who asks. Then when you get burned, you'll have another name to add to the list. :crazy:

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Bad trader posts come and go. Here are some links to those discussed above plus more that have may have been mentioned only a couple of times. The list is by no means complete nor is it infallible. Note: I'm not putting the sitcomsonline's stamp of approval on any of these. You be the judge:

Tonia Bibby, Windsor, Maine (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108989&highlight=bibby)
Lisa Mailman - Canada (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=127080)
roxiemillion: Tonya Lachell (Trinity, NC or Sophia, NC), (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115277)
Elizabeth Buckman (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122807) Elizabeth Buckman (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&postid=2142280#post2142280)
Pamela Beaty/Maples/etc. - Loudon, TN (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98170&highlight=bad+trader)
momofhayley/Sue Nicole/Pamela Beaty/Maples/etc. - Port Charlotte, FL (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&postid=2091494#post2091494)
Patricia Shackett - Fair Haven, VT (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107901&highlight=bad+trader)
Patricia Shackett/Richard Johnson - Fair Haven/Rutland, VT (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100238&highlight=bad+trader)
Richard Johnson - Rutland, VT (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85280&highlight=bad)
Remigio Rozzga - Poland (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=102925&highlight=bad+trader)
Abel Modero - Bayonne, NJ (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99451&highlight=bad+trader)
James McCollum - A.k.a Cheeseman (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=99419&highlight=bad)
Joe Warren - 'Texasman' (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118742&highlight=bad+trader)
Carl Honomichl - Salina, Kansas (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115591&highlight=bad+trader)
Duhamel Hottie (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95062&highlight=bad+trader)
Jess Overton (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109811&highlight=bad)
Joe Carroll (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109811&highlight=bad)
Chris Persia (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119267)
Dave Stevenson (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?threadid=122729)

Hi,

Just wanted to post info about a bad trader. His info:

Columboondvd@aol.com
Jay Joyl
4110 Clark St
Montreal, Quebec
Canada, H2W 1W9
514-261-0094

Back in early August, we agreed on a trade for 8 dvds of Addams Family for 8 dvds of Get Smart. Well, mine went to him and arrived no problem, as this reply from Mr. Joyl notes:

"Hi Kevin,

I got the Addams Family on Friday, thank you so much, however I completely forgot to send you your set, and frankly I don;t even remember what you wanted, can you send me what you wanted again and I will get it to you ASAP.

Sorry about that"

Seemed innocent enough. Well, that was a month ago. He hasn't answered a single email and that phone number is bogus - rings and rings with no answer.

So, what we have here is a bad trader. Beware!

Kevin

Personally, I can't understand what motivates a "bad trader". These people end up ripping off other people for a few tapes. The tapes and postage have little value when you consider other scams that are occurring on the internet. To go through the effort of setting up an email address and then providing a real mailing address just to steal a few tapes doesn't make sense. What would they do if one of us went nuts and physically went after them?

What's the point?

Are they so desperate to see a teevee show they haven't seen for awhile that they are willing to damage their reputation and risk a personal visit from an irate trader?

Are they making money by ripping us off for the tapes then making/selling copies to others? With so much stuff coming out on commerical DVD these days, their market must bw dwindling.

Are they simply bored brats who have nothing better to do with Mom's PC (like the pretend bidders on eBay)?

Or are they just so disorganized that they "forget" about sending their part of the trade?

Can we hear from some of these bad traders please :-)

tvobscurities wrote:

And ML21, while I appreciate the fact that you may disagree with me, at least I added something constructive to this thread rather than a childish retort. I had some concerns, I raised them, they were addressed. No harm, no foul. I see no reason for your "response" to my post. [/B][/QUOTE]



know what? I couldn't care less if you see a reason in my "response" or not. This was my statement - period -

I DEALT WITH HIM...HE IS A BUM AND CAN NOT BE TRUSTED...STOLE MY SETS NEVER ANSWERED E-MAIL


B.U.M.

BOTH ARE BAD TRADERS AND OWE ME !!!

BE WARNED THEY WILL ROB YOU ...OR STICK YOU WITH JUNK

Hi,

I just wanted to Thank everybody who has made a reply in this thread.

Keeping the list up-to-date it very important, I obviously cannot monitor everything, and all the help you provide will help somebody.

As the original author of the list, I thought this would be the best way to help new traders.

You are one of the few forums who have kept this list active. I appreciate that. A lot of time was spent into making it, and knowing that it is still at use makes it worthwhile.

In reflection, many of the bad traders listed have not been around since it was published, so I do believe it has helped. There has been a huge decline in the number of bad-traders posts on all forums over the last four months. So I do believe it has worked.

Due to one of them reporting my account to yahoo, my e-mail address is not active, but if you need to contact me, i'm sure you will be able to find me.

Once again, Many thanks,

ku7uk

This was resolved. Please disregard my post. :)

WHY DON'T YOU CALL 411 ...GIVE NAME AND CITY... ASK FOR PHONE #
YOU MAY GET IT ..... THEN WHEN YOU CALL HER SHE WILL LOOK LIKE THIS :eek: THEN YOU WILL LOOK LIKE :happyface

TAKE CARE...NAIL HER !!!

I've been "taken" for more than 30 tapes by her. I thought she would come through eventually, but - that apparently isn't going to happen. Please search my previous posts for details.

I personally tell any trader with a bad reputation they have to correct their "wrongs with others" before I'll trade with them. Perhaps if everyone approached trades with these people the same way, instead of simply requiring them to "send first," those who were burned in the first place would clear the offenders name once they received what they were promised. Just a thought.....:crazy:

I certainly wouldn't hesitate to clear Liz' name if she ever comes through.....where are you Liz????:cool:

Nannyfan:wave:

I've received my DVD's from Belinda Johnson, so please disregard any of my comments concerning this trade. Once she located me, she sent the DVD's without delay. I would trade with her in the future.... :)

Just wanted add my 1 cent. simply because I dont have 2 cents :lol:



I have traded with steve in the past ( KU7uk) he is a very honest trader . Super fast shipping, extremely patient and understaning person. If he has listed you as bad trader. You must be.

Lord knows I was extremely late on our trade. steve was very very very patient with me.

So if you are listed . You obviously has ripped him off in the past.

farmboy i ve seen you listed as a bad trader from numerous posts. So if ya have a beef . I suggest picking up a fork and eating it.

If none of it its true. dont worry about it. Those who have had successful trades will post accordingly.

just a little side note: Ku7uk has an awesome collection all great quality too.




:wave: :cool:




to reply to nannyfan: Also fantastic person & trader.

I agree with you 100 percent. which is why I have not been trading like I used to. I am still making up for such terrible service to those who has been waiting far too long on their packages.

The difference is I will do it. No matter how long it takes.

If I cant refund I will compensate with free disc to make up for the wait. That equals to what someone had originally paid or traded for etc... So it basicallu ends up being a free set.

Small price to pay for a clear conscience.

I dont know how people sleep at night knowing they ripped someone off.

:wave:

cp32 (love trading with this woman, she's the best!!), I can understand why you don't trade like you used to! Gotta be careful with so many scammers out there! Liz Buckman really threw me for a loop! I was extremely confident she would come through eventually. I do know she has been trying to sell dvds and/or tapes recently - including the ones I "gave" to her. It's real frustrating to see her posting on other boards and offering up the "retail" tapes & dvds I sent to her when she never sent any of the 30+tapes she owes me for them!

:mad:

Nannyfan

Let me add the name Chris Carrion to the bad trader list. He trades game shows. He got my tapes, but I never received his (it's been months).
Now he won't answer emails. Beware. This is the FIRST time I've ever been burned.

Add these two to the bad traders list. Phil got me real good. I sent him his stuff and all I got were a couple of excuses and no response to my emails. Over 2 months and nothing and now he's selling my stuff online as of a week ago. Chad on the other hand actually sent me my discs but 80% of them are unplayable and now he doesn't feel like sending replacements. Both these two have already been banned on another forum so watch out.

Phil Wheat aka P.B.W
Lancashire
England
UK
flimdar@yahoo.com
tvstuff@flimdar.f2s.com


Chad Mckinney
Lebanon,ohio
USA
CHA2006@aol.com

BLOWFISH 74 or aquaxchange@aol.com or bigaqualeo@yahoo.com or JARED HAYNES: all these handles equal lying thief.
He stole my money on the pretense that the would sell me several episodes of a tv series that i later found he didn't even have!

He strung me along for a month and a half with polite apologies and stalling techniques-when I told him no more, he tried to vanish.

Filed a claim against him with PAYPAL, who froze his account and his wife's account as well-I know this because she emailed me and asked me to dismiss my claim against him so she could have access to her own money held by PayPal! Nice guy, eh? So greedy and low that he doesn't mind screwing over his own wife!

I posted notices about him a few weeks back on these boards and figured that would be the end of it, but this joker had the nerve to keep sending me foul, harrassing emails.

Since he has my address, I've invited him to come see me and prove how tough he really is. I don't expect to see him anymore than I'd expect to treat his next "customer" (or VICTIM) any better than he treated me.

It's up to us who are interested in sharing our favorite TV shows in an honest fashion to nail these greedy troublemakers.

also, if you get an offer from twoonia28@aol.com don't answer it-that's his wife's account and TOGETHER they have a rare TV shows for sale site on MSN.com, so I guess they're probably partners in these shady deals.

pscisme,

Thanks for adding Jared Hayes to our bad trader hall of fame. In the following thread, Jared blatantly denies not using a specific email address, but in cross referencing in doing a search on this site, I found Jared to be lying: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=132555&highlight=JARED+HAYNES

One lie usually leads to another. If I found a trader lying about even something as simple as an email address, I'd steer clear of him.

heres my 5 cents worth

i really made me feel bad to see two people who absuse me in the first few people on this original post

i wish there was a resource like this avaible when i first started out last year

much like ebay feedback, whne one person leave sa truthful and 100% acurate opinion about a deal, the person who is totaly incorrect can damage the victims reputation in a minute

when i first started ebay, i actualy did leave negative feedback and was lucky enough to not get any by paybacks. a friend of mine got about 5 for no reason, and it really cost him. i advised him to start all over with a new name and dont do negs.

i feel the same way about this topic, i do like the fact that the info is out there--but of course much too late to help me. but just one payback bad comment, even from a crook, would severly hurt my reputation as a trader that i have worked on so hard

getting hosed in a dvd trade or purchase is just going to happen a ceratin amount of times. i think of it as part of the cost of doing this activity. i have been hosed about 10 times, out of probably 300 dvd trades and purchases. unfortunately two of them were purchases and $ 110 and $ 65. as far as trades only, the cost of getting hosed is quite small, and ill continue to trust most people until i get proven incorrect.

i have dealt with a couple people that have shown up on these bad lists, and have had good results. being a realitive new commer to this board, i saw a few bad reports on people, well after i completed deals with them. as always your mileage will vary.

ill continue to read and use the info i see on poor traders, and thanks to anyone who feels strongly enough to put the truth out there, and face the possibility of being smeared due to their honestly in reporting these problems

Loren,

Over two years ago, when I first heard of tape trading, the first person I dealt with ripped me off (Tina Ledbetter), so I was a bit skiddish about trading in general from the get go. Since that time, I've kept my eyes open for these rip-off artists, moving one of the complaining posts to this thread when there have been at least two complaints.

Bad traders often approach newbies because these innocents don't know the ropes, they're naive, and/or they haven't found a bad trader's list yet. Often a bad trader will actually make good on trades, but I think often that is the case when you still have something the crook wants (money or shows).

Some of the more notorious bad traders try to keep a low profile in order to compile goodies, only doing their dirty deeds when it's convenient for them. (i.e. Pam Maples usually rips people off just before Christmas.)

It is a matter of preference, but once I hear of a trader ripping someone off that I've either personally dealt with or recognize as a reputable trader, I believe the accuser. As moderator of two yahoo groups containing 950+ members, I've seen behind the scenes in many cases, and believe you me, it can be a scary business. :(

My trading days are coming to a close, but while I'm still actively trading, I'm keeping aware of the goings on in trading groups to help newbie and well-seasoned trader alike. The vast majority of this thread is accurate, and if keeping this list alive can help just one person, it's worth it.

There's a major difference between a bad trader (scammer, ripper, etc.) and a profiteer. lordsmurf (co-owner of CPS Omega) gave some really good pointers on analyzing what TRULY makes a bad trader:


Let us analyze what TRULY makes a bad trader, often known as a ripper or a scammer:


Scammers steal your DVD sets. They do it knowingly. They do their best to horde your collection. They never had ANY INTENTION of giving you anything.

Scammers steal your money. They "sell" you products that they usually do not have, or even if they did, they don't plan to send it. They almost ALWAYS want money orders, and infest places like whatevermania, coolcollecting, he-man.org (their show trading is now ENDED), cd-helper, eBay, Yahoo, newsgroups, etc. All those open unmoderated public places are full of scum, and why you NEVER see me interacting there.

Scammers have numerous aliases. They like to hide.

Scammers attack good traders. They verbally abuse them in public, because they pose a threat to fight scammers, and are the people that actually create and provide good content to fellow collectors. This is a hobby of people helping people. People like J. Hadley and CP32 are excellent long-time traders that I am glad to know.

Scammers waste your time. They start things they have NO INTENTION on finishing. Or are too stupid to finish. Asking for trade, arranging it, and then disappearing before anybody does anything. While understandably this can happen from time to time, there is NO EXCUSE for habitual folks.

Scammers have bad quality and DO NOT CARE. We're talking
unwatchable, garbage. Not crazy rating that it is "not 100% studio perfect"
quality that some of the overzealous ridiculous traders of the world have
come to expect in the past couple years. People like TRANSFORMERSCDS are the king of this category, providing almost nothing but butchered trash.

Scammers PRE-TRADE or PRE-SELL stuff they do not even have, have never seen, etc. That is vile. What happens when the "pre" falls through? I'll tell you what happens.. any SUBSEQUENT TRADES based on that "pre" are entirely screwed. Those people are not collectors, they are what we have unfondly come to call "set whores" that ONLY want shows for their perceived "trade value" and eBay selling. Horrid people.

What is NOT a scammer?

A scammer IS NOT a person that charges too much. Those are just profiteers. I personally hate them as much as scammers, and consider them the gutter-trash of the hobby. But they often provide good stuff. "Too much" is also a relative topic. To the average cheapskate, anything is too much. For others, not so much.

A scammer IS NOT a person that takes "too long". This is a hobby. This is spare time fun. Not a job. "Too long" is relative to the amount of work involved. For those that care more about QUALITY AND PRESERVATION, time is second-fiddle. A couple months is super-reasonable when the outcome is excellence.

A scammer IS NOT a person dealing with moron
recipients. The digital version of this hobby has a fairly steep
learning curve, especially for those just starting. People that cannot
figure out DVD-ROMs, DVD players, etc... those are just idiots, they are not
being scammed by the sender. This also includes people that think every
single disc they have is bad, or that DVD is a horrible format, simply
because they use garbage DVD-ROMs and DVD players.



Let us not be so quick to call everybody a scammer.

I've been "taken" for more than 30 tapes by her. I thought she would come through eventually, but - that apparently isn't going to happen. Please search my previous posts for details...I certainly wouldn't hesitate to clear Liz' name if she ever comes through.....where are you Liz????:cool:

Nannyfan:wave:
Elizabeth Buckman posted today two places: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vid-for-trade/message/7571
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DVD-R_trading/message/2153



I wonder if her name's been cleared yet (?) and/or if she made right on her trades (?).

link dont work jen?

Elizabeth Buckman posted today: http://by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg?msg=0DCC4CB3-A38D-41F3-8311-2698D9BF6BEE&start=0&len=4072&imgsafe=n&curmbox=00000000%2d0000%2d0000%2d0000%2d000000000001&a=4cd76d044bc14cb1ce5d66131664fd36

I wonder if her name's been cleared yet (?) and/or if she made right on her trades (?).

They should work now...

After a year+ of waiting for a trade to be completed, I would caution against trading with Liz Buckman. If you do, you should insist she send first. Don't burn dvds to send to her until you have received your side. She is a nice person, but - completely unreliable. She has sent about 8 or 9 tapes out of 30+ (I've forgotten exactly how many)for the 30+ "retail" tapes I sent to her. I've also received 2 or 3 "dollar" dvds that I didn't ask for and don't want. We had completed 2 successful trades before this large one and I was about to move overseas and needed to go ahead and mail all of the tapes to her. "Life" happened to her - but, she has yet to make good on our trade.

I tried to purchase DVD copies from "TotallyClassicTV" aka Andy Turpa. I sent a Western Union to get these copies. He has since not answered e-mails or sent me my DVDs.

I tried to purchase DVD copies from "TotallyClassicTV" aka Andy Turpa. I sent a Western Union to get these copies. He has since not answered e-mails or sent me my DVDs.

He also goes by Urkel_2003. There's always something suspicious about someone using multiple names. From what I understand, he only accepts Western Union. That is a definite red flag for a scammer. He emailed me recently claiming to have something I was looking for, but by this time, he knows I'm on to him and hasn't followed through to try getting my money.

I just sent him a money order via western union and he said he mailed my order but i doubt I will see it after reading some of the other posts about totallyclassictv. aka Andy Turpa

Andrew Turppa (aka Frank), supposedly from San Francisco, CA, has ripped off a lot of folks recently. Here's one of the links discussing him at length: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=139567

drnobelprice@yahoo.com
ftoyz@netzero.net

so many bad traders lists it's hard to keep track. you can serch google with their email address,but sometimes, that's no use. referances never works since with so many free email servers, yiou can make up names. i always go by the saying, never trade or send money that you can't afford to lose. losing tapes or money is not what makes you mad, the point of going back to square one searching for the stuff you've been ripped off is the boiler.

I wanted to warn everyone of this girl. 1st off this was our first
trade between us. She wanted to ship at the same time which she was
aware she was to send 1st since she initiated the trade. Luckily I did
not ship at the same time because she did not send 1 entire complete
series and said she forgot about that one.

I then explained to her since this did not look good on the 1st trade I
would ship out everything except 1 of my complete series to her and
once I received the series she forgot then I would ship out the final
series of mine to her.

In that case she did send me the series and in the meantime I went to
play Gomer Pyle USMC 9 DVDs. I shipped these corrupt DVDs back to her
along with the final series I was to mail her and now she will not
respond to any of my emails and I have given her over a week to respond
or send replacements and she has done neither.

She responded to a posting of mine on DVD-R Yahoo Trade group she was
aware of the corrupt DVDs but nothing from her since so she has had
time to respond to my emails but will not acknowledge them.

There is another trader having this same problem with her but I am waiting on an email from them to let me know if she has responded to his emails yet or replaced his corrupt dvds so I do not want to mention his id.


This girl is from Amarillo, TX.

Anne Nicole
Sue Nicole

She also has an address in Florida, apparently a relative. Still ripping people off.


on another forum,there is a big dispute developing between this person and another lady.

to quote the posting-

" If you have traded with Momofhayley@hotmail.com READ THIS!
If you have please contact me! She has decided to burn me and didn't realize that I am not your typical internet person. Criminal and fraud charges are being filed against her (we have a police cheif in the family) if she dosen't refund my money.

SUE NICOLE if you are reading this you need to refund my money. Otherwise you will be arrested for fraud. I have every email you sent and have already shown your scam to the police.

My email is: *******

Wanted to add that I have spoken to the police this evening and found out she uses these names, some fraud of course.

Sue Maples
Pam Maples
Sue Nicole

And has addresses in TN and FL. I have both of those now and all her names, phone number, addresses etc.

If anyone needs help regarding a bad trade with her feel free to contact me!"


she goes on to say-

"I got a confirmation number that has "no record". Which means their is no package assigned to it!!

She told me she sent mine to the wrong person, that person got mine and hers and she resent mine out. I just want my money back at this point. By Law I can demand my money back after 30 days of when my money order was issued. It was issued June 3rd and today makes a month. I don't even want the DVD's anymore, I'm too sick of the games!

if any of you are filing charges and need to know with who or how, contact me. I have all the info since my charges are pending on her."

END QUOTE


mmmm
the plot thickens.....

The sad part of that is this person is more than likely bluffing. My husband is a former police chief, too, which means little unless the victims ban together. It's unlikely that much will be done when the victims live from one end of the US to the other. :(

It's also very sad that momofhayley was shown to be Pam Maples within a couple of months of Pam assuming that name, close to a year ago. If a decent google check was performed, this could have been prevented.

by law can anything be done if someone rip u off on a dvd trade

It's unlikely that anything will be done. The best thing to do is to learn by your mistakes.

When I was ripped off I contacted the police department in the person's town. They told me that they couldn't help me with an 'internet fraud', and gave me the internet fraud website address. I submitted the proof to them, and absolutely nothing was done, to my knowledge. (I suppose it is possible for something to be done if enough people filled out the necessary forms, but people like Pam Maples vary their names so much that maybe it keeps them harder to pin down.)

I had used a USPS money order because I was led to believe that they were guaranteed by the US government. Not! At least not when you're dealing with a true con-artist that knows the ins and outs, without a conscience.

One of the best things we can all do is to post these people on trading sites. If we work together and share our experiences, we'll help keep trading safer because most of the time the ones doing the ripping off are the same people.

Rip-off artists are fluent liars, which is why it's a good idea in general to watch for subtle hints of dishonesty with traders via email or message boards. Once I find any inkling of a lie, I will squirm out of trading with them, if things have gone that far. One lie is indicative of too many more. Life is too short to deal with liars or twisters-of-truth, either notorious bad traders or otherwise.

I had one successful trade with this guy and then months later he contacts me for another one. I send my end, he disappears, 3 months later nothing. No response to my emails either. Here's another bad one to add to the list.

patrickmcgahern@eircom.net

Patrick Mc Gahern,
Coolcholly,
Ballyshannon,
Co. Donegal,
Ireland.

The thing was we had already had one successful trade. How long am I supposed to distrust a trader? You take your chances sometimes I guess.

I had originally posted a "bad trader" post here- when in fact, I think it was more bad trading circumstances and bad communication.

I try to reserve a bad trader alert for someone who deliberatly scams or is thieving.
Someone who falls into the catagory of those who are decietful by their address or claims of inventory.

I think, under closer analyzing- that the situation that happened between Mele503 and I - was a very bad situation, with so many outside aspects that a lot of judgements and assumptions have been passed, and as well blown out of proportion.

My advice remains in trades, ask, ask, ask. And keep the lines of communication open. Assuming never answers more issues, then a direct question.

I am not above getting overwhelmed, or frustrated. I am not above making mistakes, so for any that were part of this I apologize.
And for the apologies made to me, I accept.

I originally posted savageamusement515 as a bad trader. We both have come to terms that this list should only be used by proven bad traders and scammers. She nor I really belong on this list so both of us have decided to delete our original postings.

We both make mistakes. We are only human. We also both get agrrevated and fustrated which is what happend here.

We have come to peace with each other and we are both big enough people to admit when we went a little overboard with the postings about each other. As everyone can see it is possible to work things out with the other trader even when all seems incapable and doomed.




Mel :wave:

By something being worked out, I meant If I was unable to copy or provide them - due to machine incompatability, time, or even lack of available equipment- at times sometimes I have loaned out masters, or even sent them to a mutual party- they copy it for the trader, and they gain access to the show as well --
A lot of things can be worked. I will never willingly just refuse or remain unhelpful

Hi,

I want to offer my two cents in this conversation. Don't be put off by bad traders. I originally wrote this bad traders list to slow and hopefully stop bad traders from operating, and I am proud to save that for the most part it was worked wonderfully. But still some will hang around.
The fact is, trading is a gamble. But what have you really gambled? a five disc trade is what $1.00!!! The chances are that its going to be a good trade, and you'll get some sets out of it, that you would have paid $50 for if given the chance. For those rare exceptions where we get ripped off, its only a few dollars in discs.
Persoanlly, i don't worry about it. The odds are well in my favour, and its a gamble i'll take any day to get the shows i want.

ku7uk

p.s: to do a decent trader check, across all the forums, go to a search engine (www.google.com) and type in their username or e-mail address. It will check all the forums for you and let you know how active that trader is. its the fastest way to do a proper trader check.

Thanks for the input. Your so very right

I have been trading with savageamusement515 for over a year, and she and I have developed a friendship to where we have lent each other our masters without a blink of an eye.

Over the last months, savageamusement515 has shared with me some of her frustrations with her trade gone awry with mele503. Though I have not traded with mele503, I do feel like a fair enough judge in this matter since I know quite a few of the inside details.

I have made plenty of mistakes both in the trading world and in my personal life. Perhaps it's my age, coupled with having had forgiving traders, but I think that mele503 needs to forgive savageamusement515 and move on. savageamusement515 accidentally recorded on a master tape, and it seems to me that her mistake has been rubbed in her nose long enough.

I have been trading with savageamusement515 for over a year, and she and I have developed a friendship to where we have lent each other our masters without a blink of an eye.

Over the last months, savageamusement515 has shared with me some of her frustrations with her trade gone awry with mele503. Though I have not traded with mele503, I do feel like a fair enough judge in this matter since I know quite a few of the inside details.

I have made plenty of mistakes both in the trading world and in my personal life. Perhaps it's my age, coupled with having had forgiving traders, but I think that mele503 needs to forgive savageamusement515 and move on. savageamusement515 accidentally recorded on a master tape, and it seems to me that her mistake has been rubbed in her nose long enough.


JEN, you know me well enough that i dont pass around praise unless it is really warranted,

i have traded with mel for a while and all is just fine with her, i give her an earned good rate

i didnt have the honor of working with savage as of yet, so i really dont know them at all, but if you say they are good, its fine enough for me

even good traders have a problem at times, this is such a minor thing to get all in a frenzy about, no lives are at stake here

its a couple blanks and a few bucks postage, yes its a matter of principal, and both parties feel they are correct and the other is a dope.

wars have started over principals

hey both youall, how about just pass it off, and put your energies toward another move, no one is out more than about $7 total

after a while even of your 100% correct, you name shows up on these disputes and folks are going to associate you as a problem person

hey mel, lets work on a gunsmoke trade and you put this one behnd you

i have to say that Kim Michalak is an excellent trader very honest person email me alot to let me know what going on i never had a problem with her she very cool and very fair person i would trade with any day in fact i setting up a trade withn her now again..i mean come on can't we all quite picking on really good traders and get the bad one of this site i mean there is more to get mad at now a days like gas prices i think kim is a excellent trader........