Cosby Has Harsh Words for Black Community

By Don Babwin
The Associated Press

CHICAGO - Bill Cosby went off on another tirade against the black community Thursday, telling a room full of activists that black children are running around not knowing how to read or write and "going nowhere."

He also had harsh words for struggling black men, telling them: "Stop beating up your women because you can't find a job."

Cosby made headlines in May when he upbraided some poor blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. He shot back Thursday, saying his detractors were trying in vain to hide the black community's "dirty laundry."

"Let me tell you something, your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other n-----s as they're walking up and down the street," Cosby said during an appearance at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition & Citizenship Education Fund's annual conference.

"They think they're hip," the entertainer said. "They can't read; they can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."

In his remarks in May at a commemoration of the anniversary of the Brown v. Board of Education desegregation decision, Cosby denounced some blacks' grammar and said those who commit crimes and wind up behind bars "are not political prisoners."

"I can't even talk the way these people talk, 'Why you ain't,' 'Where you is' ... and I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk," Cosby said then. "And then I heard the father talk ... Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth."

Cosby elaborated Thursday on his previous comments in a talk interrupted several times by applause. He castigated some blacks, saying that they cannot simply blame whites for problems such as teen pregnancy and high school dropout rates.

"For me there is a time ... when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it is almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat, it keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."

Cosby lamented that the racial slurs once used by those who lynched blacks are now a favorite expression of black children. And he blamed parents.

"When you put on a record and that record is yelling `n----- this and n----- that' and you've got your little 6-year-old, 7-year-old sitting in the back seat of the car, those children hear that," he said.

He also condemned black men who missed out on opportunities and are now angry about their lives.

"You've got to stop beating up your women because you can't find a job, because you didn't want to get an education and now you're (earning) minimum wage," Cosby said. "You should have thought more of yourself when you were in high school, when you had an opportunity."

Cosby appeared Thursday with the Rev. Jesse Jackson, founder and president of the education fund, who defended the entertainer's statements.

"Bill is saying let's fight the right fight, let's level the playing field," Jackson said. "Drunk people can't do that. Illiterate people can't do that."

Cosby also said many young people are failing to honor the sacrifices made by those who struggled and died during the civil rights movement.

"Dogs, water hoses that tear the bark off trees, Emmett Till," he said, naming the black youth who was tortured and murdered in Mississippi in 1955, allegedly for whistling at a white woman. "And you're going to tell me you're going to drop out of school? You're going to tell me you're going to steal from a store?"

Cosby also said he wasn't concerned that some whites took his comments and turned them "against our people."

"Let them talk," he said.

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I agree 100% to what Cosby is saying.

"When you put on a record and that record is yelling `n----- this and n----- that' and you've got your little 6-year-old, 7-year-old sitting in the back seat of the car, those children hear that," he said.

That is so true!

"For me there is a time ... when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it is almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat, it keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."

That's a universal truth: blaming other people for your problems gets you nowhere - you end up losing sight of yourself and of what you can do about it.

Preach on Bill, preach on. He's definitely tellin it like it is & blacks are ashamed to hear the truth. It's a shame he's wasting his breath though cause nothin is gonna change with young blacks. The problem with blacks is that we are followers & we don't have minds of our own. It's been that way since day one. Instead of not doing what everybody else is doing, we tend to do what everybody else is doing so we won't get laughed at.

Isn't it funny how it says "Went off on another tirade against the black community"? :lol: These news articles are so biased and word-twisting. The man has a beef with people who blame other people for their troubles, and he's saying it, but it gets called a "Tirade", as if he hates all these people or something, lol. What I want to know is, what was Jesse Jackson talking about when he said "Fight the right fight"? Jesse Jackson is one of the dumbest human beings on this planet; people like him are living in the past. Also, I wanna know why it is when I make a comment similar to Mr. Cosby's, I get berated for "Stereotyping all blacks", but when he says it, people applaud. I'm certainly glad Mr. Cosby is saying what he's saying, though. Maybe it will sink in to some people's heads.

The nice thing about being a senior citizen with money is you can open up your mouth and say what's really on your mind without having to sugarcoat everything.

America's granddad gets ornery.

By Debra Dickerson
Slate

Lately, Bill Cosby has been making a comeback—as Shelby Steele. The 67-year-old comedian—who became America's Dad in the 1980s and America's Granddad more recently—has launched a series of surprising assaults on the pathologies of low-income blacks. "They think they're hip. They can't read; they can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere," he said in Chicago at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and Citizenship Education Fund's annual conference on July 1.

This followed an attack launched at the NAACP's Brown v. Board of Education 50th anniversary gala at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C., in May. No laugh tracks there. The Cos has chastised young black men for "beating up your women because you can't find a job," blasted poor parenting in the ghettoes, heaped scorn on Ebonics, and lambasted aimless blacks for squandering the hard-won gains of the civil rights movement. Symbolically, he made his comments in high-profile "public" (read: where whites could hear) venues.

Many critics expressed shock that the beloved figure of Americana—the genial observational humorist; the wise paterfamilias of the beloved The Cosby Show (1984-1992); the winner of the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2002—should offer such a pointed, and conservative, political message. Yet those who were fooled by Cosby's silliness into surprise at his newfound ferocity were just that—fooled. Cosby has long been a good "race" man on an all-too-serious mission. There was always darkness in the Cos' light.

From humble beginnings in the projects of Philadelphia, raised by a domestic and a laborer, Cosby parlayed his impish nature and keen insights into the transcendent in daily life into a successful comedy career during the early 1960s heyday of stand-up. In 1963, he was chosen as the first black guest host of The Tonight Show and in 1965 as the first black star on a white drama. On I Spy, he and Robert Culp played intelligence agents gone undercover as an international tennis player and coach. Overnight Cosby became the "Jackie Robinson of television," a crucial figure in bringing unapologetic but unconfrontational blackness into the mainstream.

It is almost impossible now to convey the watershed I Spy represented in American life. Those were the days when blacks called each other in wonderment to make sure that no one missed seeing one of their own in America's public square. That Cosby's "Scotty" was an abstemious, multilingual Rhodes Scholar and devoted family man while Culp's "Kelly" was a womanizing boozehound from the wrong side of the tracks was no accident. Cosby himself lobbied to make Scotty the brains of the outfit, the one who traveled the world and tended to national security matters.

Nonradical elements of the black community always embraced strategic racial inroads like this as exactly the type of gains they were trying to make—securing a place at the table instead of dismantling the table. Radicals like the Black Panthers, socialists, and Amiri Baraka, of course, considered Cosby a sell-out—a judgment for which his recent comments merely provide them the final proof.

Once Cosby found the upward path, he worked hard to stay there and to help bring the race along with him. His philosophy was always to play by the rules so as to beat the master at his own game—to be clearly black-identified, but not, you know, militant about it. Like that of Nat King Cole, Flip Wilson, and Diahann Carroll, television's other black pioneers, Cosby's appeal lay in presenting the universality of black life "apolitically," on its own terms (or, if you're Amiri Baraka, in the least discomforting way possible for whites). Their sudden presence in public life was all the rebuke that pre-Civil Rights Act America could face.

But Cosby's critics are wrong to say Cosby is either "incognegro" or an appeaser. The man always had a plan. While his humor is nonconfrontational, his attitude has been anything but; like Oprah Winfrey and Magic Johnson's inner-city focused business empire, Cosby sees the acquisition of power as a civil rights strategy. He's worked to be in the meetings where decisions are made rather than outside picketing them, though he was an ardent supporter of the civil rights movement and used his shows to pay homage to it.

And he succeeded. Once his star took off, Cosby was rarely without either a sitcom, a game show, an animated series, best selling non-fiction, or a comedy album riding the top of the charts. His power allowed him, among many other good deeds, to support black higher education by donating millions to schools, sending deserving, hardscrabble youngsters he'd read about in the newspaper to college, and challenging universities to ambitious fundraising goals by offering generous matching funds of his own—facts he's been advertising in a PR counteroffensive after the harsh reaction his recent comments provoked.

So why now? Why is Bill Cosby suddenly so sour, so publicly? Perhaps it was watching one of his four daughters struggle with a drug habit in the 1980s. Perhaps it was losing his only son, Ennis, to random violence in 1997. (Ghouls click here for a guide to the murder site.) Perhaps it was having to acknowledge having cheated on his wife of 40 years, Camille, who is nearly as beloved by blacks as he is. To make matters worse, the news of this infidelity broke when a young woman tried to extort hush money from him, and he helped the FBI send his (probable) love child to prison. But perhaps the final straw was watching Eddie Murphy reprise his history-making I Spy role on the big screen in 2002, not as a jet-setting, high-minded patriot but as a jive-talking, barely literate boxer who couldn't care less about national security; Cosby has long been vocal in his disgust with what he sees as the minstrelsy, vulgarity, and low artistic value of modern black comedy, film, and television. Don't even get him started on rap music.

"I'm a tired man," he said recently, but he wasn't talking about the energy required to defend himself. He was talking about still fighting battles his generation thought would have been long won by now, and he's talking about how draining it is to watch black complacency with its pockets of stagnation. But true acolytes will recognize the Cos' own personal progression through the stages of life, territory he just about owns. One of Cosby's standards bits was in ribbing his mother for coddling her grandchildren after having been so tough on her children. "That's not the same woman that raised me," he'd claim in mock confusion. Watching our beloved Cos take his people so publicly to the woodshed, it's our turn now to marvel at the evolution of the man we thought we knew so well.

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Cosby Defends Remarks on Parenting, Blacks

The Associated Press

HILTON HEAD ISLAND, S.C. - Bill Cosby defended his controversial comments on blacks, adding that the music industry is "glorifying the wrong things" as he spoke about parenting and children at a college conference.

Cosby, 67, made headlines in May when he criticized some blacks for their grammar and accused them of squandering opportunities the civil rights movement gave them. Then earlier this month, Cosby said blacks should not blame whites for their problems and urged them to re-examine their own lives.

"I'm going to keep on saying what I've been saying," he said Wednesday, speaking to a group representing 118 historically black colleges and universities nationwide, the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education.

On Wednesday, he said the music industry glorifies music that demeans women, praises life in jail and uses profanity.

He said college educators should prepare students to help poor blacks from backgrounds of violence and single-mother households.

Instead of joining the Peace Corps and going to Africa, "go across the street into the projects. These are people who need to see another picture, a brighter picture," he said.

To sum up Bill Cosby's "attacking", all he's saying is, instead of saying I want my 40 acres and my mule back, go out and it them.

I took nothing he said to offense, the only people offended by it, are the ones who it pertains too. Can't speak for the white half, but there are still alot of things minority races can't do that whites can, but I'll find some success somewhere.

Bill i feel wasted his breath on speakin on young black people making a change cause young blacks aren't gonna change especially the ones living in the ghettos across america. Change has to come from within & if a person decides not to change within himself or herself, it's not gonna happen. Young blacks in the ghetto mess it up for young blacks in the suburbs who wanna have a good life & be successful. Blacks are too envious & jealous of one another & we need to stop acting like that. Blacks need to be happy for one another when somebody is successful instead of hating on that person. Blacks also make up too many excuses why they can't succeed. If u live in the ghetto, u can still have a good life. U just have to know what people not to deal with & what not to do such as sellin drugs, hangin on the block all the time, having sex with lots of women & not using protection, robbing, stealing. If other people in the ghetto are doing that, don't associate yourself with people like that & don't get caught up in none of those activities. But see we as a people act like we don't have minds of our own. We gotta do what everybody else is doing to be accepted cause nobody wants to get laughed at for being different. As long as we have that frame of mind as a people, we'll never have anything. Blacks are the only race of people who don't stick together. Other races of people stick together. How come we can't?


I was talkin to my mom this morning about it amazes me how Martin Luther King, black panthers, Malcolm X back in the day were fighting for civil rights for blacks so we could have the same rights as whites. Look at what happened to our leaders. They died for us & how do young blacks today show their appreciation? They don't show any appreciation cause if they did, they wouldn't be acting ignorant all the time & using slang words & doing illegal stuff like sellin drugs. Blacks stuck together back in the slavery days, 50's, 60's but we can't stick together now for nothin cause we too jealous of one another. So if blacks aren't trying to be united & come together as a people, i'm not trying to be united with blacks. We would rather stay divided than come together as a people. I see why Michael Jackson wants to be white cause he's ashamed of being black & i don't blame him. The ignorant stuff that blacks do make all blacks look bad. That's exactly why racist whites will continue to hate blacks cause we keep showing them how ignorant we are everyday. The one thing i will never understand is why do blacks kill each other & why do we sell drugs to our people? That is the most ignorant s**t i've ever encountered. I noticed when i used to go to a mixed high school that i was happier being around different races of people cause they have a different way of learning & they want to learn. It was the total opposite when i went to a all black high school during half of my 9th grade yr. I know ya'll can imagine what going to a all black school is like, nothin but ignorance all day everyday. I was so happy i graduated on time cause i wanted to get out of that school. I ain't never been around so many ignorant black kids in my life. It just seems that ignorance is just always gonna be in us. It'll never leave us. When ghetto people move to the suburbs, they're still gonna act ghetto. I'm not saying u have to act stuck up & think you're better than everybody else but u ain't gotta act ghetto. Blacks who live in the ghetto think that they have to be ghetto to be accepted by their peers & that's the worst mindset to have.

Ignorance is a thing that people have to want to get out of. If they are content they are not going to change or look for a change outside of themselves.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Ignorance is a thing that people have to want to get out of. If they are content they are not going to change or look for a change outside of themselves.

I agree! Plus alot of people commenting on the subject are ignorant, they only see things from the outside looking in, they really don't know what goes on behind the closed doors of an African American family.

I agree with Bill Cosby in so many ways, it's hard to explain, it's not always as easy as they make it seems. Some of us really are stuck in a system that we didn't create for ourselves. Although I do agree that lots of us turn down things that would help us, but some are fixed on this comfortable lifestyle.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
But see we as a people act like we don't have minds of our own. We gotta do what everybody else is doing to be accepted cause nobody wants to get laughed at for being different. As long as we have that frame of mind as a people, we'll never have anything. Blacks are the only race of people who don't stick together. Other races of people stick together. How come we can't?
They usually always show other races of people besides Latinos/Blacks sticking together. The media has it fixed to make the "ghetto life" look so bad, and Blacks and Latinos are always stealing or involved in a crime. Every race of people is a criminal in their own right.

That is the most ignorant s**t i've ever encountered. I noticed when i used to go to a mixed high school that i was happier being around different races of people cause they have a different way of learning & they want to learn. It was the total opposite when i went to a all black high school during half of my 9th grade yr. I know ya'll can imagine what going to a all black school is like, nothin but ignorance all day everyday. I was so happy i graduated on time cause i wanted to get out of that school. I ain't never been around so many ignorant black kids in my life. It just seems that ignorance is just always gonna be in us. It'll never leave us. When ghetto people move to the suburbs, they're still gonna act ghetto. I'm not saying u have to act stuck up & think you're better than everybody else but u ain't gotta act ghetto. Blacks who live in the ghetto think that they have to be ghetto to be accepted by their peers & that's the worst mindset to have.

I also went to a mixed high school, but the caucasian kids did all of the teasing, they kinda made it easy for the other races to get along. The black kids were always the clowns and joking type, and the asians were more friendly. They held study groups along with the black and mid-asian kids. Not to sound racist but out of a high school with over 2,000 students, I only had 2 caucasian friends...they pretty much the sneaky ones.

When I was growing up, my parents told me living a ghetto life was living a life without worry or pressure, and still taking care of buisness, doesn't sound at all bad to me. Like I said everyone has their own stereotypes to add.

I would like to know how come the playgrounds in the black neighborhoods never have any nets on the basketball hoops? I'll tell u why. Black males always got to tear the nets up by hangin on them & then some rims are bent cause black males be hangin on the rim bending it. That is so damn ignorant. When i go to the playgrounds in the white neighborhood, i notice how there's always nets on the basketball hoops & the playgrounds are clean. There used to be some basketball hoops at 2 elementary schools in my neighborhood in Cleveland but the hoops got taken away by the city cause they got tired of black males abusing the rims & tearing up the nets so they taught them a lesson by taking them away. Another thing i notice is that there's always graffiti on the walls in black poor neighborhoods. U go to the white neighborhood, u don't see that. Larry Fishburne made a very good point in Boyz N The Hood movie when he said why is there a liquor store on every corner in the black neighborhood. They want us to kill ourselves, that's why. U go out to Beverly Hills, u don't see that s**t. Another thing i don't like is blacks gettin on welfare & having all these babies. That is so sickening. I hate people that take advantage of the government. Go get a damn job & stop having babies. Bill Cosby was right when he said young blacks are talkin slang & laughin at everything & they're going nowhere fast.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
Another thing i don't like is blacks gettin on welfare & having all these babies. That is so sickening. I hate people that take advantage of the government. Go get a damn job & stop having babies. Bill Cosby was right when he said young blacks are talkin slang & laughin at everything & they're going nowhere fast.

isiahthomas quotes from this thread (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113110):

I don't wanna take any online courses about business. I don't want a business job or a office job cause i don't like to dress up. Dressing up is another reason i don't go to church. I just like wearing baggy jeans & big shirts with black sneakers.

I do wanna work but i'm not good at anything except cleaning. I used to work at a grocery store as a janitor & i got fired before the week was out cause my supervisor told me i was lazy.

I've applied for a job at the post office before & i didn't take the job cause of third shift.

I applied for a job at Burger King before & the guy interviewed me but he never called me like he said he was. I'm glad he didn't call me cause when he told me how much they pay a hour just to wash food trays, i wasn't interested anyway.

I tried applying for that job before & i didn't even wanna finish the application cause i said to myself, i don't like talkin on the phone & trying to sell stuff to people.

I've also thought about being a delivery driver using my car but i think using my car would cause too much wear & tear doing that much driving delivering packages.

I don't know if i would wanna be a actor cause i don't think i would be good at memorizing lines.

I don't think i would like college.


Do you ever look in the mirror? Seriously, get some counseling for your self hatred. While you criticize blacks for all the negative aspects you feel they display, you're not indicating that you're doing anything to affect a positive solution, just bitching and moaning. If getting a decent job isn't easy for you, why would it be any easier for any of the young Blacks you talk about? You don't portray yourself as much different.

Originally posted by vashti1999
isiahthomas quotes from this thread (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113110):

I don't wanna take any online courses about business. I don't want a business job or a office job cause i don't like to dress up. Dressing up is another reason i don't go to church. I just like wearing baggy jeans & big shirts with black sneakers.

I do wanna work but i'm not good at anything except cleaning. I used to work at a grocery store as a janitor & i got fired before the week was out cause my supervisor told me i was lazy.

I've applied for a job at the post office before & i didn't take the job cause of third shift.

I applied for a job at Burger King before & the guy interviewed me but he never called me like he said he was. I'm glad he didn't call me cause when he told me how much they pay a hour just to wash food trays, i wasn't interested anyway.

I tried applying for that job before & i didn't even wanna finish the application cause i said to myself, i don't like talkin on the phone & trying to sell stuff to people.

I've also thought about being a delivery driver using my car but i think using my car would cause too much wear & tear doing that much driving delivering packages.

I don't know if i would wanna be a actor cause i don't think i would be good at memorizing lines.

I don't think i would like college.


Do you ever look in the mirror? Seriously, get some counseling for your self hatred. While you criticize blacks for all the negative aspects you feel they display, you're not indicating that you're doing anything to affect a positive solution, just bitching and moaning. If getting a decent job isn't easy for you, why would it be any easier for any of the young Blacks you talk about? You don't portray yourself as much different.
:clap :thanks:

You hit the nail on the head, and this is exactly what Bill Cosby means.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
I would like to know how come the playgrounds in the black neighborhoods never have any nets on the basketball hoops? I'll tell u why. Black males always got to tear the nets up by hangin on them & then some rims are bent cause black males be hangin on the rim bending it. That is so damn ignorant. When i go to the playgrounds in the white neighborhood, i notice how there's always nets on the basketball hoops & the playgrounds are clean. There used to be some basketball hoops at 2 elementary schools in my neighborhood in Cleveland but the hoops got taken away by the city cause they got tired of black males abusing the rims & tearing up the nets so they taught them a lesson by taking them away. Another thing i notice is that there's always graffiti on the walls in black poor neighborhoods. U go to the white neighborhood, u don't see that. Larry Fishburne made a very good point in Boyz N The Hood movie when he said why is there a liquor store on every corner in the black neighborhood. They want us to kill ourselves, that's why. U go out to Beverly Hills, u don't see that s**t. Another thing i don't like is blacks gettin on welfare & having all these babies. That is so sickening. I hate people that take advantage of the government. Go get a damn job & stop having babies. Bill Cosby was right when he said young blacks are talkin slang & laughin at everything & they're going nowhere fast.

After reading the thread that vashti pulled up I have to say that all of the posters offered good advice to you, isiahthomas. You should consider going to your local community college and taking an html course to become a webmaster since you like to post on the web. BTW, I admire your bravery in being so upfront about your life and your opinions in general, not everyone has that kind of fortitude; now push forward to accomplish great things in life, for some would look at some of your comments as being contradictory and a bit confused. It doesn't have to be that way.

jamesanthony

Vashti1999 you need to shut yo bit*h ass up cause you gotta lot of nerve posting up old statements that i made about the type of jobs i want & why i don't like to wear dress clothes. You have no idea what it's like growing up around a lot of blacks cause you seem like you deal with a lot of white people. You love Prince so what do you know about being around blacks all the time? I remember somebody posted a topic on here about who hates school & i said i hated school cause of a lot of the black kids i went to school with were ignorant. Have you ever been to a all black school? Probably not so keep your mouth shut. I've been to mixed schools before & dealt with kids of different races & i like those type of schools cause you can learn more but if you go to a school with all black kids, you're gonna learn nothin cause you're gonna be dealing with ignorant kids all day. I do admit i have a lot of problems of my own that i need to work on but i ain't ignorant at all. I can understand where Bill Cosby is coming from & to you i may fall in the category he's talkin about but i really don't fall in that category cause i do like reading & trying to educate myself. The reason i can't get a good paying job is because i have a learning disability & that's the reason my employment history is messed up. I ain't like all these other stupid niqqaz that always wanna go to the club, smoke, drink alcohol, make fun of people that are different than the normal black kid that is ignorant, rob & kill people, sell drugs, steal cars, have their music blasting loud, talkin slang words. I dealt with ignorant people like that the whole time i was in high school & i'm still dealing with ignorant niqqaz like that at jobs i've had in the past.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
Vashti1999 you need to shut yo bit*h ass up cause you gotta lot of nerve posting up old statements that i made about the type of jobs i want & why i don't like to wear dress clothes.

How exactly does one go about "shuttiin' yo bit*h ass up"? I don't speak whatever language that's supposed to be, you might need to translate that for me. But instead of getting upset with me, you should read the post again. It was in response to you saying that young blacks should just go get a job, as if it were as simple as you put it. If circumstances aren't easy for you, why do you continue to assume that it'd be easier for anybody else? I posted that to hold the mirror up that you refused to look through. Those were your own posts, your own words, not mine.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
You have no idea what it's like growing up around a lot of blacks cause you seem like you deal with a lot of white people. You love Prince so what do you know about being around blacks all the time?

Man, you found me out. Being a Prince fan means not being around black people. :cuckoo


Originally posted by isiahthomas
I remember somebody posted a topic on here about who hates school & i said i hated school cause of a lot of the black kids i went to school with were ignorant. Have you ever been to a all black school? Probably not so keep your mouth shut. I've been to mixed schools before & dealt with kids of different races & i like those type of schools cause you can learn more but if you go to a school with all black kids, you're gonna learn nothin cause you're gonna be dealing with ignorant kids all day.

I've been to a predominantly black school and had no problem learning. I don't equate going to a school with black students with going to school with ignorant students. It's unfortunate that you see it that way. Despite what you think, it's not blacks only: ignorance runs across the board. At some point, you have to hold yourself accountable for allowing yourself to succumb to a bad situation. Either you'll fight to work through it, or you'll keep saying "I don't like this..." or "I don't want that..." that I pointed out earlier.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
I do admit i have a lot of problems of my own that i need to work on but i ain't ignorant at all. I can understand where Bill Cosby is coming from & to you i may fall in the category he's talkin about but i really don't fall in that category cause i do like reading & trying to educate myself. The reason i can't get a good paying job is because i have a learning disability & that's the reason my employment history is messed up. I ain't like all these other stupid niqqaz that always wanna go to the club, smoke, drink alcohol, make fun of people that are different than the normal black kid that is ignorant, rob & kill people, sell drugs, steal cars, have their music blasting loud, talkin slang words. I dealt with ignorant people like that the whole time i was in high school & i'm still dealing with ignorant niqqaz like that at jobs i've had in the past.

I'm sorry for your learning disability and I hope you're sincere in trying to educate yourself. The way to start, I feel, is stop the constant criticizing and stereotyping you do of races or groups of people. You often knock both blacks and whites for only being a certain way, like only whites listen to rock or black kids typically sell drugs and blast loud music. You have no idea how large this world is. There are some of us who have moved past issues of race. Not everyone unfortunately, but some. You have to let go of all that anger because it's not doing you any good. I'm fortunate enough to live and work around different types of people all the time. Some are ignorant, some inspire me. You learn to accept both the best and worst in people and then move on. Continuing to hold on to anger won't help you get to where you want to go, you'll continue to blame everyone else for the world's negativity but you don't see that you're adding to it also.

One thing that bothers me is that if I don't argue some of your statements, some of the younger members of these boards will read them and believe that's the way it is, when it's not. If you're going to generalize races of people time after time, I've gotta argue. I'm not denying you your experiences, but I don't see most of your statements being helpful either. But just so you know, I don't mean you any harm. I've got no animosity towards you and I truly hope one day your outlook on life is more positive than it currently is. I've posted messages in the past in response to some of the things you've said hoping that maybe you'd take it to heart in a positive way. I sincerely hope you take this positively as well.

I'm sorry i got upset with you. It's just that i'm trying to express my opinion because i see a different world i'm living in than you do. I really hope i can get a good paying job soon cause i'm tired of the way my life is right now. It seems nobody wants to hire me cause of my employment record. I have been fired from a lot of jobs but like i said that's because of a learning disability i have. When i told my father about it, he doesn't believe me but i seriously believe i have that. I've had it most of my life & that's why my grades were just decent throughout my school years. I was never good at studying. What i can't seem to understand is how i can remember rap lyrics & lines that actors say in movies but i can't remember a damn thing when it pertains to school & figuring things out. Like for example if a supervisor was to train me on a job & show me what to do especially if i think the job is hard, i'll end up messing up cause i can't figure things out on my own. I'm the type where i always have to have someone show me what to do before i can do it on my own. I was shown how to tie up boxes in a box compacter when i worked at a factory & i didn't know how to do that on my own after i was shown how to do it. See stuff like that a supervisor doesn't have time for so they'll fire me & get somebody else who can do the job. That's why i need to get a job in showbiz cause i can't see myself having a regular 9 to 5 job doing office work, factory or warehouse work, mechanic, construction worker. Anything that i think is hard, i know i'm gonna fail at it cause i don't have the brains & intelligence to do a hard job.

Originally posted by isiahthomas
I'm sorry i got upset with you. It's just that i'm trying to express my opinion because i see a different world i'm living in than you do. I really hope i can get a good paying job soon cause i'm tired of the way my life is right now. It seems nobody wants to hire me cause of my employment record. I have been fired from a lot of jobs but like i said that's because of a learning disability i have. When i told my father about it, he doesn't believe me but i seriously believe i have that. I've had it most of my life & that's why my grades were just decent throughout my school years. I was never good at studying. What i can't seem to understand is how i can remember rap lyrics & lines that actors say in movies but i can't remember a damn thing when it pertains to school & figuring things out. Like for example if a supervisor was to train me on a job & show me what to do especially if i think the job is hard, i'll end up messing up cause i can't figure things out on my own. I'm the type where i always have to have someone show me what to do before i can do it on my own. I was shown how to tie up boxes in a box compacter when i worked at a factory & i didn't know how to do that on my own after i was shown how to do it. See stuff like that a supervisor doesn't have time for so they'll fire me & get somebody else who can do the job. That's why i need to get a job in showbiz cause i can't see myself having a regular 9 to 5 job doing office work, factory or warehouse work, mechanic, construction worker. Anything that i think is hard, i know i'm gonna fail at it cause i don't have the brains & intelligence to do a hard job.

Knowing what you know about yourself it's up to you to use your interest in things you like towards things you have to do. The same way that you're able to become familiar with song lyrics or movie dialogue, you have to try your best to apply that same familiarity when learning a different skill. It's all patterns and repetition. The same way that you grasp music, movies, sports and other things that are pleasing to you, you have to apply the same exact level of interest when learning a new job. Trust me, we all see the glamourous side of showbiz, but they all probably have issues they have to go through also. Don't make the mistake in thinking that that would be an easy way out. In terms of school or work, the worse thing you can do is doubt yourself. You're already giving up before you started. You must believe you're able and have the capacity to do more than you assume. Trying and then failing is better than failing without trying.

Vashti1999 i wish it was that easy as you make it seem but for me it's not. My learning disability consists of not being able to figure things out on my own & not comprehending what i read. For example if i was to sit down & go over some school problems, i wouldn't be able to figure out the answers right away cause my brain doesn't click that fast as most intelligent people. I've had this problem since middle school & i never seeked out any help for it. My parents told me that i should think about seeing a psychiatrist but i don't wanna do that cause i don't think that would help my problem. I'm just mentally slow & i'm gonna have to deal with that. On top of that my employment record is bad & i got bad credit so those are the 2 things that's keeping me from gettin a good paying job & employers who do the hiring aren't gonna look past my employment record cause they wanna know why haven't i never had a full time job. Plus i've been fired from a lot of jobs which isn't good either.


The lowest point in my life is when i applied for a job at Burger King & i told myself i would never apply for a job at a fast food place. When i was being interviewed, the guy told me he had a position cleaning & washing food trays & cleaning off the tables. So he told me he would call me & he never did. That right there discouraged me cause i said to myself if i can't get a job at a fast food place, i can't get a job anywhere. Plus foreigners have taken all the jobs cause employers figure that you can pay foreigners less money & they'll work hard for it cause employers know most blacks won't work hard & they won't work for a cheap salary. I seriously believe i'm lookin at being homeless because i'm 28 yrs old & it's kinda too late for me at this point in my life to get a good paying job cause i don't have any job skills besides cleaning & i don't have the intelligence & smarts to make real money. Plus my employment history is bad so my future is lookin very bleak. I don't wanna go to community college to take any classes cause i know i'll fail whatever classes i take & i can't afford to go to school cause if i was to get a loan or a grant, i'd be scared to pay it back cause i don't know how i'm gonna pay the money back cause it's so hard for me to get a full time job. I know this sounds like a sad story to ya'll & i don't want anybody to feel sorry for me but being on the streets is where i'm headed cause i don't see my life gettin any better. I really do wanna educate myself & have a good life but it's just so hard for me cause of this learning & comprehending problem i have.

One thing you have going for you is you can articulate yourself in writing very well, with very few grammatical errors. Were I you, I would go to community college and get hooked up with a counselor who is trained to work with people who have learning disabilities (esp dyslogica which from your description seems to be what you have). Community colleges are pulling down all kinds of federal and state monies that mandate that they serve people with disabilities so they can't keep you out.

Remember Theo on Cosby had poor grades and all before he got diagnosed and once he got help he was able to graduate and went on to graduate school. That is not so far fetched, even though it is from a TV series. I know this though, if you say you can't make it, you won't and that's guaranteed.

JamesAnthony i'm gonna look for some info on the internet about a learning disability & see what i come up with. I've been thinkin about seeing somebody about my problem. Do you have any suggestions who i should see? I don't wanna spend any money to see a psychiatrist.

I'm in this thread late. I think Bill Cosby hit the nail on the head. what he is saying just doesn't apply to the black community, but all people.

I agree. i have been saying it and some of my friends look at me like I am the ignorant one. Black people as a whole need to wake the hell up and get their **** together. There are many black people who have theirselves together and are doing right by themselves and their families. But everyone needs to remember this:
Your kids should be able to have a 50 percent better chance than you.At least aim for 50 percent so if they dont hit that they wont fall to far below. How else do you think we will break the cycle of welfare and generations in the projects.

Anyhow, Cosby said what needed to be said and those who found it offensive really needs to get a clue. No more crying about the "white ma"n and all that crap cause he still can care less about you. You come into this world alone, do you and make the best of it. If you have kids do your best to expose them to the many oppurtunities for higher learning and after school programs.

There isn't anything that I can not stand more than hearing a grown person speaking like some kid. I can't stand to hear grown folks speak slang or even speak ghetto for that matter. "I aint know where she be at after school". No damn wonder the kids speak like that is right. Cosby hit it on the head!!~
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Isaaih I hope you listen to James Anthony's advice.

I grew up as a child from the projects and now I made my own life.

Bill Cosby is right. Never sell yourself short. You are a gifted young man. You have so much to offer.

Dzyre i have a problem with blacks always using slang too. Whenever blacks always use slang words, they don't know how to speak properly. Ignorant blacks for some reason think it's cool to be ignorant & dumb. That's why so many blacks are homeless & in prison cause they're uneducated & they don't wanna be educated. They'd rather steal, rob, sell drugs for a living than get a real job. Dr Dre said it best when he said if rap music never existed, you would have a lot of dead niqqas, broke niqqas & niqqas in prison. I definitely agree with that cause rap music has taken a lot of poor uneducated black men off the streets to make money. Rappers could do somethin else if they were educated but they don't wanna do nothin else but rap. If they weren't rappin, they would probably sell drugs again. I have a problem with blacks not buying positive rappers music like KRS One, Public Enemy, Poor Righteous Teachers, Dead Prez, The Coup, Paris, Kam. These rappers always have positive messages in their songs & people don't buy their music cause they feel they preach too much. Black people need to be preached to cause so many of us are ignorant. Ice Cube used to talk about positive stuff in his music until he became a sellout & changed his music. Geto Boys always have positive songs also. 2Pac was a ignorant dude. Some times he could be positive but a lot of times he was very ignorant. He would be alive today if he wouldn't have ran his mouth so much dissin rappers.

Here you go GarfieldKool.

I would like to know how come the playgrounds in the black neighborhoods never have any nets on the basketball hoops? I'll tell u why. Black males always got to tear the nets up by hangin on them & then some rims are bent cause black males be hangin on the rim bending it. That is so damn ignorant. When i go to the playgrounds in the white neighborhood, i notice how there's always nets on the basketball hoops & the playgrounds are clean. There used to be some basketball hoops at 2 elementary schools in my neighborhood in Cleveland but the hoops got taken away by the city cause they got tired of black males abusing the rims & tearing up the nets so they taught them a lesson by taking them away. Another thing i notice is that there's always graffiti on the walls in black poor neighborhoods. U go to the white neighborhood, u don't see that. Larry Fishburne made a very good point in Boyz N The Hood movie when he said why is there a liquor store on every corner in the black neighborhood. They want us to kill ourselves, that's why. U go out to Beverly Hills, u don't see that s**t. Another thing i don't like is blacks gettin on welfare & having all these babies. That is so sickening. I hate people that take advantage of the government. Go get a damn job & stop having babies. Bill Cosby was right when he said young blacks are talkin slang & laughin at everything & they're going nowhere fast.
I would definitely agree with you on a lot of things Isiah, especially the above that I just quoted you. One of my problems with the black youth that I have is they walk around calling each other ni-gg-a in front of other races. I got a problem with that. I always hear a lot of puerto-ricans calling each other that. Why, because they hear blacks calling one another that and they think it's cool. Then, they pass blunts to each other in the open. Another problem I have is that we can't get ahead and own our own business. For example, in the hood where I grew up at, 100% black, there is now a Beauty Supply Warehouse that sells African hair care products and everything from cream, hair grease, hair weave, do-rags, it caters to black people, but you know what, it is owned by Asian people. What the Fu-ck?! what are those people going to say when you ask them about some stay-soft-fro or something?! Blacks are so materialistic it is a damn shame. I am not generalizing black people, but if we as a race don't get it together, we will still have a ways to overcome.

LOL@what can asians say when you ask them about hair care products for blacks hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Foreigners period own a lot of businesses in the hood & it's pathetic that blacks can't own their own businesses in the hood. We would rather support other races businesses before we support our own damn selves. We are really a messed up race of people. We are so backwards it's a shame. I hope Vashti1999's b**ch ass don't come in here & say somethin about me being a hypocrite when he thinks i fall into the same category as ignorant blacks.

LOL@what can asians say when you ask them about hair care products for blacks hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Foreigners period own a lot of businesses in the hood & it's pathetic that blacks can't own their own businesses in the hood. We would rather support other races businesses before we support our own damn selves. We are really a messed up race of people. We are so backwards it's a shame. I hope Vashti1999's b**ch ass don't come in here & say somethin about me being a hypocrite when he thinks i fall into the same category as ignorant blacks.I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. I read an article where this black man said his parents opened a store in one of the black areas in Los Angeles and he said that the blacks in the neighborhood walked right passed their store and went into the asian store. and not only that the real estate companies don't like to sell the properties in the black areas to blacks and the banks don't like to loan money.

I hope Vashti1999's b**ch ass don't come in here & say somethin about me being a hypocrite when he thinks i fall into the same category as ignorant blacks.


Why are you bringing my name into something when I haven't responded to anything you've said in two or three months? You just concentrate on staying ignorant yourself and don't be concerned whether my bitch ass has something to say.

I would definitely agree with you on a lot of things Isiah, especially the above that I just quoted you. One of my problems with the black youth that I have is they walk around calling each other ni-gg-a in front of other races. I got a problem with that. I always hear a lot of puerto-ricans calling each other that. Why, because they hear blacks calling one another that and they think it's cool. Then, they pass blunts to each other in the open. Another problem I have is that we can't get ahead and own our own business. For example, in the hood where I grew up at, 100% black, there is now a Beauty Supply Warehouse that sells African hair care products and everything from cream, hair grease, hair weave, do-rags, it caters to black people, but you know what, it is owned by Asian people. What the Fu-ck?! what are those people going to say when you ask them about some stay-soft-fro or something?! Blacks are so materialistic it is a damn shame. I am not generalizing black people, but if we as a race don't get it together, we will still have a ways to overcome.That reminds me of something I saw. The Chinese government thanked blacks in america for buying hair care products and supporting their stores because it's boosting their economy. the asians who own the stores send a lot of money back to their relatives in China and it's good for the Chinese economy.

LOL@Vashti1999 callin yourself a bitch ass hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Just because i don't wanna have a job where i have to dress up doesn't mean i'm ignorant. I just don't care for office jobs. I don't understand why foreigners would wanna own businesses in the hood anyway. There's no way if i was a businessman that i would wanna own a business in the hood. Since i'm a cigarette merchandiser, there's this liquor store that i go to in the hood to put up cigarette signs. The foreigners who own it told me that their cars have been vandalized because they have called the cops on the bums who are black that hang out in front of their store. Well when you own a business in the hood, that's what you have to deal with. They should know better not to own a store in the hood. All they're thinkin about is making money off of blacks so there's no use in complaining when stuff like that happens to them.

There's this other liquor store that i go to in the hood that's owned by foreigners to put up cigarette signs. One of the foreigners asked me how come Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jackson don't give back to the black community. I told him it's not their job to give back to the black community. They've made their lives successful & they don't have to share their money with blacks. I told him Bill gives money to black colleges every year. That's very generous. A lot of ignorant blacks ain't lookin for nothin but a handout anyway. They always want somebody or the government to give them somethin instead of workin for it. That's why education is so important because without it, you won't survive.

A lot of blacks think that all blacks smoke weed. I can't tell you how many times I've walked down the street and somebody asked if I wanted to buy some weed. I always respond by saying, "Naw, I'm straight, yo." But I don't smoke weed. A lot of black people don't think when they do things, that's the point I'm making. For example, I recently took my mother to Wal-Mart. This black dude who was about in his early 20s, he was an employee at Wal-Mart. I think he did the carts or something. Anyway, he had a do-rag and his jeans were baggy. A lot of blacks don't care about their image. Why would you dress like that even if you are doing carts at Wal-Mart? I had went out to my car, and the dude's car was next to mine, and he said, "I got that weed, dawg." He should have known better than to try to sell some weed to anybody in the parking lot at Wal-Mart. And like I said before, a lot blacks think we all buy and smoke weed. They don't use their minds and they are going to mess around and sell to a cop one of these days.

I'm late on this thread too, but I fully agree with everything Mr. Cosby said and I give him kudos for the guts to say it.

I am so glad I live in a country where all races are much more integrated. We're not perfect of course, but in our lower class areas, there are blacks, whites, asians, aboriginals, etc. (we don't have a big latino population) and they mingle much more than in the States.

I really hope that someday it will be more that way in the U.S. also.

It angered so many people it seemed like they didn't want to hear the truth. all he was saying was shape up and stop saying you're being held back. blacks have held themselves sometimes by slipping into a cycle. my cousin had a child at just 15 by a 22 year old she said was 17. my aunt bought that and she gave them too much freedom even if she hadn't lied about his age. When she found out she was angry. I think that is part of the cycle, parents don't step up and keep their kids in line and take things seriously.

Dr. Phillips that gets on my nerves to see so many young black women having babies. It's ridiculous. I used to talk to this black girl who is 26 & she has 3 daughters by the same guy. She doesn't date the guy anymore but he lives with her. His woman lives with her too. She stays in a apartment & she has 3 bedrooms. I asked her why was she letting her baby father & his woman live with her? She didn't give me a explanation but i figured it out that she probably can't afford to pay the rent by herself so she let him & his woman move in with her. That's so ********. She shouldn't have had those damn kids by him. I like her but i stopped seeing her because she isn't smart at all. Her personality is alright but she's not smart. How do you let a man get you pregnant 3 times? Black women don't be thinking before they get intimate with black men. Black men tell them what they wanna hear just so they can get in their panties & then when the babies come out, the black men run away from their responsibilities. I don't even date anymore because i'm so tired of running into stupid ass young black women who got kids. Another thing that baffles me about young black women is that they seem to be only interested in thugs & hoodlums. This young r&b female singer named Olivia who is down with G Unit/50 Cent said in King magazine that black women don't want soft guys, they want thugs. I shook my head when i read that comment. I thought that black women wanted a man who would treat them right. I guess i was wrong. I may not be wrong but it seems that's what ignorant black women want. Even the black women that are smart, you have to watch out for them too because they try to play the innocent role but they ain't about s**t either because they also like those type of guys.

I do agree with what Mr. Cosby said as well. It was tight, but it was right! Speaking as an African-American, many blacks have to stop looking for handouts. We must appreciate the things around us. Bill said something which stuck with me. He said in his speech that the way a child acts reflects upon the behavior of the parent. I was in Staten Island at a NYC City bus and there was a young black mother with her 2 or 3 year old daughter who was drinking a soda and she could not finish it. She asked her mommy what to do. The mother said, "I don't know! Just throw it on the ground!" Then that little girl threw that half full soda on the ground. What kind of lesson is that to teach your child?

2 years ago, I began a job as a taxi cab driver and was working a ghetto area. (I should have known better). My fare(passenger) did not show up. I was at a 7-11 gas station and this black woman with 40(hard liqour) bottle in her hand and a cigarette in the other asked me how much it would be to get her home nearby. I told her about six dollars and she would have to put out the cigarette and she caught an attitude over it but put it out. As I was driving her, I was telling her about a bad fare that I had and she in a way was just sucking up. She kept using phrases, "That's Fu**ed up!" over and over again.

When I got her to her destination, the meter was $4.25. She had the nerver to tell me: "Ohhh, baby, I ain't got no money!" "You go'n have to take me to jail!" I was not happy about that. She did all that kissing up and knew that she did not have the money to begin with. I managed to get $1.26 from her. What in the world was she doing out at 2am in the morning half dressed looking like a bum and obviously did not respect herself?

About a week later, I picked up a guy from a Denny's Restaurant on a side of town called West Colonial in Orlando @2am. This idiot made small talk with me and I was not hip to what his motive was. He was dressed in all black and told me where to take him. When we got there, he had me pull up to a dead end area in a residential area where it was dark. I pulled in behind a parked car and just as I am about to stop the meter, he slammed my body to my seat from behind and proceeded to strangle me.

I tried to get away but he had me in a lock around the neck and took all my money ($198.54) I thought he was going to let up but he didn't and demanded more money although I had no more. I was losing breath and was about to die. I kept praying with the little, little voice I had. He finally let go and ran off. One black stealing from another black. How hurtful and unfair! I was in a bind. I had rent past due and a car note that was past due and the collections department did not care, they wanted the money.

When the police came out, one accused me of lying and the other took his time and helped me. The paramedics were rude to me. Since the attack happened in a bad area(North Orange Blossom Trail) they did not take me seriously. I got a taste of what the real world is like. I truly believe that God will deal with all of those that did me wrong that night.

I do my best to treat people fairly and with respect and love others. My little Pollyanna theory about good being in all people went out the window.
I was hurt, angry and had thoughts about running that idiot over with my cab. The thing that also bothered me was that one black person takes from another with no remorse almost killing me. He didn't care. It was like he had no respect for me, himself or his own future.

I don't let what happened to me get me down nor stop me from getting what I want. I learned something from my attack and had to get thicker skin if I wanted to continue on. I was paranoid for about 3 weeks with whoever I picked up after dark. I learned not to pick up in certain areas. LOL. Unfortuneatly, there are some people that don't want to be helped and don't see the whole picture.

Some blacks get offended if white women hold on to their purse in the elevator if a black guy is in there. I'm black and I can see why. You never know what is going on in the individual's mind. Yes, it is aggravating when stereotypical thoughts come to one's mind, but look at the image we're displaying and our actions. This does not apply to all blacks, but with some it does.

Blacks should not get offended all the time at some things. With things that occur, we should understand that those who are not African-Americans may not understand all things about blacks and may react a certain way. Granted, it may be annoying having to deal with ignorant actions from others, but being who you are, you will have to learn to accept some things as they come instead of getting angry and griping all the time. I know who I am and have had ingorant passengers in my cab that have tried to pull that racial card, but that garbage is beneath me and I don't go for it.

Thumbs up to Mr. Cosby for telling the truth.

That's quite a story, Thomas E. you we're lucky to get out of it alive. On Bill Cosby alot of black people we're angry at what he said, but I was thrilled. The stories you told prove that Bill was right on the mark and alot of people couldn't handle the truth.

That's quite a story, Thomas E. you we're lucky to get out of it alive. On Bill Cosby alot of black people we're angry at what he said, but I was thrilled. The stories you told prove that Bill was right on the mark and alot of people couldn't handle the truth.

Thank You, Leland. I am glad someone was listenting and reading what I wrote. I thank you very much. It was hard time for me because I was(and still am) putting myself through college. I started that cab job here in Orlando and another part time job and between both jobs I was working 12-20 hours a day. After the incident, I checked myself into a hospital and kept the news from my mother until after I checked out.

My mother asked me if I wanted to move back home but of course, I emphatically said no. I wanted to stay and continue to make a life for myself which I am still doing. It was just unfair for me to have worked hard for that money only to have someone especially from my own race take it from me with no remorse or regard for my own health and safety.

Thanks, Leland, your response was encouraging for me.

Thumbs up to Mr. Cosby for telling the truth.

And thumbs up to you Sir, for being part of the (majority I'm sure) of blacks who are upstanding, hardworking and get what Mr. Cosby (and some of us whites) see. I have absolutely nothing against blacks, other than the loud-mouthed, minority of them that are living up to the stereotypical portrayal of thinking its selling out to "whitey" to get out of the ghetto by their own hard work and make something of themselves and who continue this black on black crime. Blacks have it tough enough in the States without their own race trying to hold them back.

I applaud you for your braveness to get back in that cab - I sure couldn't do it, and in your thinking. Thank God you're still around to help offset the bad. Individuals CAN make the difference I believe.
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Congrats to Bill Cosby for speaking up and telling the truth.:thanks:

He told the truth, in a way. He's still a bit of a hypocrite though.

He told the truth, in a way. He's still a bit of a hypocrite though.
I applaud him for the message he is trying to send. I agree with you wholeheartedly abt the hypocrite thing though. He blasts black sit-coms, and he cheated on his lovely wife. HMMMMMM, he said for men to stop beating their wives for their joblessness? but it's okay to "cheat" on them, that's ok. I got it.

I applaud him for the message he is trying to send. I agree with you wholeheartedly abt the hypocrite thing though. He blasts black sit-coms, and he cheated on his lovely wife. HMMMMMM, he said for men to stop beating their wives for their joblessness? but it's okay to "cheat" on them, that's ok. I got it.


And the thing is, he's cheated on his wife REPEATEDLY.

And the thing is, he's cheated on his wife REPEATEDLY.

That's probably the biggest tradgedy of it all.Plus Jimmie Walker (of Good Times) and Michael Eric Dyson brought the point home for me on Walker's website, and Dyson's book.

And the thing is, he's cheated on his wife REPEATEDLY.
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Why are you bringing my name into something when I haven't responded to anything you've said in two or three months? You just concentrate on staying ignorant yourself and don't be concerned whether my bitch ass has something to say.
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ThomasE i would've never applied for a job driving a taxi. That's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Thank god you're alive though. Blacks need to get it together & stop being ignorant but i'm just wasting my breath because ghetto blacks will never change. Being ignorant is somethin that's in their blood & it will never go away. My ex girlfriend not too long ago just had 2 babies & she already has 3 kids that her sister has custody of. See what i'm talkin about with these black women having lots of babies? My ex thinks somethin is gonna happen between us again but i don't think so because i don't wanna be bothered with her. She need to stop opening her legs so much & having sex with anybody. She doesn't have a job & she's staying in a homeless shelter right now but she's about to move into a house soon that she just bought. I don't know how she bought a house. The government must be helping her. She called me at almost 4am about 2 weeks ago. I couldn't believe she called me that late. When i saw her number on the caller id, i said what the hell does she want at that time of night.


Blacks in the ghetto have a messed up mentality. Their mentality is that all blacks should be ghetto. Blacks that are educated & living in nice neighborhoods with nice cars & have good jobs, they're considered sellouts to ghetto blacks. That's something i will never understand. It's ok to ghetto blacks for white people to be rich & have nice things & live in nice neighborhoods but blacks aren't supposed to have good jobs & have nice things. We're all supposed to be ghetto, ignorant, unintelligent.

ThomasE i would've never applied for a job driving a taxi. That's one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Thank god you're alive though. Blacks need to get it together & stop being ignorant but i'm just wasting my breath because ghetto blacks will never change. Being ignorant is somethin that's in their blood & it will never go away. My ex girlfriend not too long ago just had 2 babies & she already has 3 kids that her sister has custody of. See what i'm talkin about with these black women having lots of babies? My ex thinks somethin is gonna happen between us again but i don't think so because i don't wanna be bothered with her. She need to stop opening her legs so much & having sex with anybody. She doesn't have a job & she's staying in a homeless shelter right now but she's about to move into a house soon that she just bought. I don't know how she bought a house. The government must be helping her. She called me at almost 4am about 2 weeks ago. I couldn't believe she called me that late. When i saw her number on the caller id, i said what the hell does she want at that time of night.


Blacks in the ghetto have a messed up mentality. Their mentality is that all blacks should be ghetto. Blacks that are educated & living in nice neighborhoods with nice cars & have good jobs, they're considered sellouts to ghetto blacks. That's something i will never understand. It's ok to ghetto blacks for white people to be rich & have nice things & live in nice neighborhoods but blacks aren't supposed to have good jobs & have nice things. We're all supposed to be ghetto, ignorant, unintelligent.

That thinking is so insane and sad isiah. Here, with opportunities open to them and they don't even grab it when they can. Just as long as they don't turn it into something like "whites are still holding them back". I don't think that's been the case for decades. It sure isn't here. If anything, with proactive hiring, they have an edge in a lot of cases now.

And what is it about birth control that the women have a problem with? Its like they actually want to have 6 kids before they're 25 and live off support or welfare the rest of their lives. These ones that go on The Maury Show really kill me. Some have been on 5 times for paternity tests. Talk about being "loose"!!! :rolleyes:

It's a cycle that can't be broken. In these neighborhoods this cycles goes on and on. I've watched Maury myself occasionally and see some of the most ridiculous paternity fights. They just don't take these things seriously and think it's no big deal.

It's a cycle that can't be broken. In these neighborhoods this cycles goes on and on. I've watched Maury myself occasionally and see some of the most ridiculous paternity fights. They just don't take these things seriously and think it's no big deal.

I know! I just have to shake my head. To me, having a kid is the biggest thing that happens in anyone's life and they seem to take it like it's like having a cat or even a "status symbol" or something. :rolleyes: :crazy:

Willie D of rap group Geto Boys did a song called Welfare B*tches that came out in 1989. His lyrics crack me up because what he says is so true about black women that are lazy & on welfare & have lots of babies. He said your playing the government for a sucker but what you don't know is they're hip to you muthaf*ckas LOL. Droppin babies one after another one just so you can increase your funk ass income LOL. I believe that a baby should be born outta love. Dumb ass b*tch(LOL), you were only thinking of the money which is for the child indeed but you took it just to satisfy your own damn needs. You ain't about s*it LOL. You only love uno. One of these days, there ain't gonna be no welfare. Yeah. Welfare bi*ches hahahahahahahahaha. Welfare, yeah, keep away from welfare bi*ches hahahahahahahahahaha. Sittin around gettin high & drunk waitin on the first of the month. They never look for a j-o-b because they too busy watchin soaps on ABC LOL. You realize it's only make believe but when one of them dies, you cry & grieve. You think Scorpio, Lucy or the rest of the crew give a f*ck about a poor broke ho like you hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Then Willie D said welfare b*tches get a lazy black man as their boyfriend & he said their boyfriend gets the 3 p's from a welfare b*tch. The 3 p's he says are pu**y, pay & a place to stay hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Willie D said you're a sorry muthaf*cka if you live this way LOL.

Its so true. Meanwhile, they get more money from welfare, but the kid costs a ton too - so they're still going to be behind the eight ball in the long run. Hoping to find some poor hard working bastard who'll support them. What guy wants a chick with 5 friggin' kids who aren't his??

I'm talkin to a black girl right now who has 3 kids by the same guy. The thing that's stupid about her is that she moved outta her apartment because her baby father & his girlfriend were living with her. So now she stays with her sister & mother. Her sister has 4 kids LOL. Her sister is 28 i believe. Her sister & mom just moved so she moved with them. When she was staying in her apartment, she did live closer to her job & her daughter's school. Now she lives far from her job & her daughter's school. So she calls me sometimes to ask me to take her to work & take her daughter to school. If she would've still been living at her apartment, she wouldn't have to call me to take her to work because she would be close to her job so she could catch the bus. She's not very smart even though she told me she was on the honor roll for 4 years when she was in high school. One day i went to her sister's place to see her. I told her i was gonna order some pizza. I bought 2 pizza's from Pizza Hut. Now check this out. She has 3 kids & her sister has 4 kids. I only got 2 pieces of pizza. By the time i tried to get seconds, there was only 5 pieces left in one of the pizza boxes hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I shook my head. Her mom & her sister had some pizza too. I just don't understand why black women want so many kids. What is cool about having lots of kids? I don't know why women wanna have kids period. My aunt is 49 years old & she's married. She doesn't have any kids because she said she doesn't want any. There's another black woman i know who's 42 & she's married. She doesn't have any kids either.

I'm talkin to a black girl right now who has 3 kids by the same guy. The thing that's stupid about her is that she moved outta her apartment because her baby father & his girlfriend were living with her. So now she stays with her sister & mother. Her sister has 4 kids LOL. Her sister is 28 i believe. Her sister & mom just moved so she moved with them. When she was staying in her apartment, she did live closer to her job & her daughter's school. Now she lives far from her job & her daughter's school. So she calls me sometimes to ask me to take her to work & take her daughter to school. If she would've still been living at her apartment, she wouldn't have to call me to take her to work because she would be close to her job so she could catch the bus. She's not very smart even though she told me she was on the honor roll for 4 years when she was in high school. One day i went to her sister's place to see her. I told her i was gonna order some pizza. I bought 2 pizza's from Pizza Hut. Now check this out. She has 3 kids & her sister has 4 kids. I only got 2 pieces of pizza. By the time i tried to get seconds, there was only 5 pieces left in one of the pizza boxes hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I shook my head. Her mom & her sister had some pizza too. I just don't understand why black women want so many kids. What is cool about having lots of kids? I don't know why women wanna have kids period. My aunt is 49 years old & she's married. She doesn't have any kids because she said she doesn't want any. There's another black woman i know who's 42 & she's married. She doesn't have any kids either.

I've got lots of female friends in their 40s (myself included) and we never had kids (we're all white) and don't mind it one bit!!! I wanted two when I was younger - around 27 or so very badly, but it never happened. I didn't go out and get knocked up by anyone just to have them. I was waiting for marriage and being in love. It came late for me, so we just never got around to it. I've got my pets and that's just fine with me for nurturing and unconditional love (if that's why they do it). And at least with pets, they won't grow up to steal money or your car from you when they hit 15 or so, or have parties and trash your home when you're away!!! LOL

LOL@what you said about at least pets don't steal from you & trash your house when they have parties hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah that's a chance you take when you have kids because you never know what they're gonna turn out to be when they get older. I bet some parents wish they never had kids because some kids turn out to be very bad & don't do anything with their life.

Some people just do not know when to stop having kids. My cousin is one of those people, she had one when she was 15 by some 23 year old, he stayed around for while then he walked out. Then he came back and got her pregnant again, he didn't want another child so he walked out on her again. The worst things is my aunt has a non-chalant attitude about the whole thing. Another thing that gets me is that sometimes these kids have different fathers. All four of one of my aunts daughters have different fathers, she was never married. I'm not condeming anyone but I think you need to be married before you have kids.

Rapper Eazy E(RIP) of legendary group NWA had a lot of kids by different women. That's pathetic. Eazy E always rapped about sex in his songs so you know where his mind is at. This is just a ongoing epidemic that is never gonna stop in the black community & it's sad.

Rapper Eazy E(RIP) of legendary group NWA had a lot of kids by different women. That's pathetic. Eazy E always rapped about sex in his songs so you know where his mind is at. This is just a ongoing epidemic that is never gonna stop in the black community & it's sad.

Eazy E had about 12 or so kids, didn't he isiah? That's how he caught aids too. Sleeping around with all those women. Ex-NBA player Shawn Kemp got a lot too. And Rasheed Wallace. My father has a lot too. I can't forgive him for that. He got 6 by my mother, 3 by another lady, and we just found out, he had a son we knew nothing about. This son is 44, the same age as my oldest brother.

LOL@what you said about at least pets don't steal from you & trash your house when they have parties hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Yeah that's a chance you take when you have kids because you never know what they're gonna turn out to be when they get older. I bet some parents wish they never had kids because some kids turn out to be very bad & don't do anything with their life.


You can say that again! My parents felt that way about one of my brothers. He's now 51 and STILL a bum!! Lives off his wife. And he trashed my parents home many times with his drugged out friends.

Yep - give me a good old cat or dog anyday!! :happyface

Some people just do not know when to stop having kids. My cousin is one of those people, she had one when she was 15 by some 23 year old, he stayed around for while then he walked out. Then he came back and got her pregnant again, he didn't want another child so he walked out on her again. The worst things is my aunt has a non-chalant attitude about the whole thing. Another thing that gets me is that sometimes these kids have different fathers. All four of one of my aunts daughters have different fathers, she was never married. I'm not condeming anyone but I think you need to be married before you have kids.


I FULLY agree! Even after living together for five years, I got pregnant, (but lost the pregnancy) and we were damn well going to be married before it was born. I don't look down on ones who don't marry, but for me, that's what I wanted for me and the child.

What's it take to get on birth control these days - its as easy as buying a bag of chips. No excuse not to use it. :rolleyes:

Eazy E had about 12 or so kids, didn't he isiah? That's how he caught aids too. Sleeping around with all those women. Ex-NBA player Shawn Kemp got a lot too. And Rasheed Wallace. My father has a lot too. I can't forgive him for that. He got 6 by my mother, 3 by another lady, and we just found out, he had a son we knew nothing about. This son is 44, the same age as my oldest brother.


That's sad. Its like they feel like more of a "man" having the most kids. Like its a contest or something. I find out a guy's got that many kids - especially by different women, I run like hell - to me, "it's" a lethal weapon then!! :lol:

Eazy E had about 12 or so kids, didn't he isiah? That's how he caught aids too. Sleeping around with all those women. Ex-NBA player Shawn Kemp got a lot too. And Rasheed Wallace. My father has a lot too. I can't forgive him for that. He got 6 by my mother, 3 by another lady, and we just found out, he had a son we knew nothing about. This son is 44, the same age as my oldest brother.It's not just athletes that have done this, even a couple of political figures have. A former congressman Kweisi Mfume has 5 or 6 kids all with different mothers and an ex-Tennessee state senator has two different households he alternates between each week and the mothers of the kids except that arrangement!

Eazy E had about 12 or so kids, didn't he isiah? That's how he caught aids too. Sleeping around with all those women. Ex-NBA player Shawn Kemp got a lot too. And Rasheed Wallace. My father has a lot too. I can't forgive him for that. He got 6 by my mother, 3 by another lady, and we just found out, he had a son we knew nothing about. This son is 44, the same age as my oldest brother.

Always knew Rasheed was mess, but dag, not that much.

I don't think Eazy E has that many kids. I think he has about 6 or 7 kids. Sorry to hear about your father having that many kids GarfieldKool. That's triflin. I agree with you Tripperfan. I guess people think it's a contest to see who can have the most kids hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Here's some more funny lyrics by Willie D on Welfare B*tches song. He said they have their kids lookin a mess while they walk around sportin Gucci & Guess LOL. You say you love your kids, that's a god damn lie LOL. I said it. You wanna know why. Cause your a welfare b*tch, a welfare b*tch hahahahahahahahahahahaha. A welfare b*tch can't do nothin for me but suck my d*ck cause i don't want the pu**y LOL. You f*ck the whore & she'll get pregnant & swear up and down that it's yours. I got the money so you wanna get hitched. Don't tell me that your pregnant cause i ain't claimin sh*t LOL. You can't play me cause i ain't pu**y whipped so stay out my face & get off my d*ck LOL. I heard about Shawn Kemp having a lot of kids. He started having illegitimate kids when he played for Cleveland Cavs. I didn't know Kwesi Mfume who's the NAACP president has a lot of kids by different women. Elijah Muhammad who Malcolm X looked up to when he worked for the nation of islam had kids by different women too.

WHOA!!

What does this have to do with the Cosby SHOW???

WHOA!!

What does this have to do with the Cosby SHOW???


This idea was spunoff from a Bill Cosby speech. LOL. Isaiahthomas, I do remember you making a speech about not wanting to date black women and you took a lot of flack for it. I think I understood what you were talking about but some people called you "racist" but I think I understood what you were talking about. Not all black women are like the way you described but there is a stigma and I think that people need to realize that. Knowledge is power and putting it into usage is great. Not all blacks have a ghetto mentality but the percentage is high and it is unfortunate. Back in the ninth grade, I was in a civics class and my teacher was telling us students that there was a girl who got pregnant at 8 years old? By 17 years, she had four kids, I think? I realize the first one was a mistake but the next three children were for the financial benefit of welfare. Isaiah, as far as driving, I now take percaution to play it safe driving not saying that all areas are safe, but I kinda unknowingly put myself in that position. I learned from it. The cops thought that I was another black in a bad area "crying wolf".

Back in 1984, people bashed "The Cosby Show" as "unrealistic" but I like the the postive things from the series. People think that there are parents can't be successful in their fields but I find that untrue. It is just not common, but people need to realize that it is can happen. Can somebody brief me as far when Bill cheated on Camille and how many times? I heard something about him having an affair but I did not know this was a pattern.

Whatever the amount he did, it was a big disgrace to Camille.I know it's probably taboo, but is there evidence of him and Phylicia ever being together?

I shouldn't have made that statement about i don't like dating black women because i'd rather have a black woman than a woman from another race. There's this ethiopian girl i like that's very attractive that works at a Mobil gas station i visit often because of my cigarette merchandiser job. I talk to her whenever i see her & it seems she likes me but she told me she's married. If she wasn't married, i'd want her as my woman. There are some fine puerto rican women i like such as actresses Roselyn Sanchez, Jessica Lugo, Eva Mendes but i'd still prefer black women. ThomasE your teacher told you about a black girl getting pregnant when she was 8 years old? That sounds unrealistic LOL. I seriously doubt Bill Cosby messing around with Phylicia Rashad in real life. Her last name isn't Rashad anymore since she divorced Ahmad. I didn't know they got a divorce until somebody else told me. Does anybody know how long Phylicia has been divorced from him?

This idea was spunoff from a Bill Cosby speech. LOL. Isaiahthomas, I do remember you making a speech about not wanting to date black women and you took a lot of flack for it. I think I understood what you were talking about but some people called you "racist" but I think I understood what you were talking about. Not all black women are like the way you described but there is a stigma and I think that people need to realize that. Knowledge is power and putting it into usage is great. Not all blacks have a ghetto mentality but the percentage is high and it is unfortunate. Back in the ninth grade, I was in a civics class and my teacher was telling us students that there was a girl who got pregnant at 8 years old? By 17 years, she had four kids, I think? I realize the first one was a mistake but the next three children were for the financial benefit of welfare. Isaiah, as far as driving, I now take percaution to play it safe driving not saying that all areas are safe, but I kinda unknowingly put myself in that position. I learned from it. The cops thought that I was another black in a bad area "crying wolf".

Back in 1984, people bashed "The Cosby Show" as "unrealistic" but I like the the postive things from the series. People think that there are parents can't be successful in their fields but I find that untrue. It is just not common, but people need to realize that it is can happen. Can somebody brief me as far when Bill cheated on Camille and how many times? I heard something about him having an affair but I did not know this was a pattern.
Yes ThomasE, he cheated on Camille. For sure we know at least one time. He acknowledged an affair with a woman who's daughter came out abt 3-4 yrs ago stating she was Bill's daughter. Apparently the daughter had approached Bill (in some way shape or form) and told him it was in his best interest to give her $$$$$$ or she would reveal his affair with her mother and the fact that she was his daughter from that affair. The girl was charged with embezzlement, I believe. I don't know for a fact that he cheated on his wife before that woman, or after that woman, however, it was done. I am sure he cheated before and had gotten away with it. I doubt highly this was his only time cheating.

I shouldn't have made that statement about i don't like dating black women because i'd rather have a black woman than a woman from another race. There's this ethiopian girl i like that's very attractive that works at a Mobil gas station i visit often because of my cigarette merchandiser job. I talk to her whenever i see her & it seems she likes me but she told me she's married. If she wasn't married, i'd want her as my woman. There are some fine puerto rican women i like such as actresses Roselyn Sanchez, Jessica Lugo, Eva Mendes but i'd still prefer black women. ThomasE your teacher told you about a black girl getting pregnant when she was 8 years old? That sounds unrealistic LOL. I seriously doubt Bill Cosby messing around with Phylicia Rashad in real life. Her last name isn't Rashad anymore since she divorced Ahmad. I didn't know they got a divorce until somebody else told me. Does anybody know how long Phylicia has been divorced from him?

I'm suprised that you did not know. It has been almost five years since Phylicia filed on terms of abandonment. btw, thanks for the info, Irene! I hope that Bill got his act together.

I'm suprised that you did not know. It has been almost five years since Phylicia filed on terms of abandonment. btw, thanks for the info, Irene! I hope that Bill got his act together.
Ahmad really did that?

Bill Cosby went to a all black high school in Compton, California not too long ago to talk about young blacks need to get their act together. I'm surprised he went to a high school in the hood to talk to black teenagers. Compton is one of the worst neighborhoods in Los Angeles because there's gangs in Compton. I listen to some rappers who are from Compton like MC Eiht, MC Ren and Eazy E of legendary group NWA. You white people on here have no idea what it's like to deal with ignorance all day everyday when you're in a all black high school or you're workin with lots of blacks on a job. I've experienced these things and let me tell you, it's embarrasing to see how blacks are so ignorant and how they make fun of blacks who aren't ignorant like myself. I used to get dissed so much in high school and the previous jobs i've had. It just makes me feel like blacks are so cruel and they don't have anything else better to do with their time than to make fun of people who aren't ignorant like them. I'm really starting to see why some racist white people feel the way they do about blacks. We're a pathetic race of people and we act like animals. I applaud Bill Cosby for making a effort to go to the worst black neighborhoods across the country and talk to black kids but i know his speeches are fallin on deaf ears because the majority of them aren't gonna make a change and they're just gonna be ignorant until the day they die.

True, Isaiah. I'll be honest with you. When I am driving taxi during the early morning hours(2am), there are some blacks that have waved me down and I have not been to eager to pick them up. There are cetain areas that I will not work after dark. In 2004, I had 4 fares in five months of time run off without paying. That really hurt me although I was strong about it. Then some woman (caucasian with a tough of ghetto)tried the same thing but I caught her and got her to pay. I was in the downtown Orlando area a few months back and a brother was trying to wave down a taxi and the drivers kept driving fast past him. I did pull over and asked him where he was going. He told me he was doing to Pine Hills, a predominant black neighborhood where it is not so nice to be at night. I told him an estimated rate of $25.00 is what he would have to pay and and said that he had to pay up front. He got out the car and walked off. LOL. It was not worth me risking my gas with the crazy prices and life to take him over there if I was gonna get stiffed or robbed. I admire what Bill is doing but hope that he got his act together with cheating. I really don't know to much about that so I can't push that envelope.

ThomasE why do you have a job driving a taxi? If i was you, i'd look for a new job because that's dangerous. I thought about applying for a taxi driver job before but i'm glad i came to my senses and decided not to. I see i didn't get that many responses on here about what i said about Bill Cosby going to a all black high school in Compton. It's cool though because i expected not to get a lot of responses. I know the majority of people on here are white and they can't relate to blacks so it's alright.

Bill Cosby needs to go to the poor black communities across america and talk to black young teenagers. It's easy for him to go on radio shows and black colleges and talk about this but he needs to go to the inner cities and pull these kids to the side to talk to them that they can make it out of the ghetto by educating themselves and reading. Most black male teenagers think the only way they can make it out the ghetto is by being a rapper, pro basketball player, pro football player, selling drugs. There's plenty of careers that pay good money besides those things. Until ignorant black men start reading, they're gonna continue to get sent to prison. It's a god damn shame that there's more black men locked up than white men and foreigner men.

Very true, Black people need to stop using the "White Man's Holding Us Back" type of mentality, because nowadays, we have the same rights as white people, its just that now were holding ourselves back....

Very true, Black people need to stop using the "White Man's Holding Us Back" type of mentality, because nowadays, we have the same rights as white people, its just that now were holding ourselves back....
the same holds true for any minority. Excuse after excuse gets dead. Action is louder than words. Bill needs to shut up and take care of his own business. He needs to stop talking to the black community like they are his own kids. He should get his booty in the ghetto and talk to these teens and ask them what it is they want in life.

I think he has given back, He has given a lot of black teens money to go to college. The only think that he asked from them was to actually get good grades and graduate from High School and whatever college they pick he would pay for. So I think that he's giving back in a huge way.

Very true, Black people need to stop using the "White Man's Holding Us Back" type of mentality, because nowadays, we have the same rights as white people, its just that now were holding ourselves back....


There can be a little trurth to that, because some major companies do have a black quota-lol

First off I didn't read all of the replys here but I will add on my $0.02 cents about Bill Cosby and his "chastising" The Black Community, While both Bill And Camile have given a lot of money to HBC (Historically Black College's) and other charities I need to say this. Bill Cosby is NOT the spokesman for the whole black aommunity in this country and full of crap! You notice all this ranting and raving came about when he was alledgedly accused of sexual misconduct (notice how no one bring up the incident anymore or the other aledged allegations?)so he decides to use Americas favorite scapegoat Poor Black People. Granted I see a host of problems in the community but imo Cosby isn't speaking from concern, he is only doing this to deflect from his own problems. And while he was critizing (sp) Black youths and how they dress he sure as hell didn't mind making money off of them Those FUBU Platinum clothing line with the Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids characters on them. Unless Disney bought the characters I'm sure he didn't mind cashing the checks he got fot every shirt and pants sole. I'm now offically stepping off my soapbox carry on

Does anyone think Cos did anything he's accused of?

Does anyone think Cos did anything he's accused of?
Maybe. He is a human being after all. I think the problem is not so much that he opened up his mouth and spoke his mind. A bigger problem is that the most outspoken leaders in the African American community are entertainers. What other ethnic group places so much stock in what celebrities do and say?

Maybe. He is a human being after all. I think the problem is not so much that he opened up his mouth and spoke his mind. A bigger problem is that the most outspoken leaders in the African American community are entertainers. What other ethnic group places so much stock in what celebrities do and say?



Exactly, You have people looking to Bernie Mac (comedian) for child rearing advice! Do you think white people look to Joan Crawford when they want to get ideas on disciplining their children? Don't get me wrong I used to Love The Cosby Show happy that finally there was going to be a show that was going to show Black people in a positive light watched all the Uptown Saturday Night, Let's Do It Again movies and the like. But nobody elected Bill Cosby fo rany title yes it is America and he is entitle to have an opinion and like JAMESANTHONY stated he is a human being with faults and flaws like everyone else, he need to realize that himself.

Bill does have faults, but he does give back like making donations to the United Negro College. People don't see things like that. Him and Oprah gives back to the community. I do side with Bill on his harsh words for the black community. But it's going to be difficult for him to reach them. Number 1, he himself wasn't helping the problem whe he was selling his FUBU Fat Albert gear targeting black youths. That gear is expensive, and he was the main one talking that blacks spend too much money on clothes rather than ebonics. I'm not calling him a hypocrite, but don't add insult to injury.

No one said that Bill has made any profits from FUBU, that's hasn't been proven. He could have sold his rights (If he had any) to whoever a long time ago.

Some of ya'll that's been dissing Bill needs to get off his back and talk about the topic. The topic is about what he has to say to the black community. The topic isn't about his marriage and cheating on his wife. Bill isn't perfect. I could care less about Bill's personal life. I like the fact that he's been discussing this problem about the ignorant black youth of today. Something needs to be done about it. I suggest that Bill should go to all the ghettos across america and talk to these black youth and tell them that they have other options for a career besides a rapper, drug dealer, pro basketball player, pro football player, stripper, prostitute, rap video dancer. Bill went to a black high school in Compton, California awhile ago to talk to black youth. Compton is one of the worst neighborhoods in California and i admire him for going to a bad neighborhood and talkin to black youth because it takes guts to go to a bad neighborhood and try to get blacks to change their lives and stop acting ignorant. I remember Vashti1999 speaking on this topic and saying that he didn't have a hard time getting a education when he went to a all black high school. Well i had a hard time getting a education when i went to a all black high school. It's damn near impossible to try to learn something in a environment like that when your dealing with ignorance everyday. Ignorant black men used to throw pieces of paper at me and tease me all the time because i was quiet and i was trying to learn something. I wanted to fight these ignorant men but i didn't wanna get suspended so i paid them no attention. It was hard to avoid them but i had to if i wanted to graduate on time because i didn't wanna get in trouble for fighting all the time everytime somebody picked with me. I remember my father telling me when i was a teenager that the reason why people pick with me is because of the way i carry myself. Just because i carry myself like i'm quiet doesn't give people the right to bother me and tease me. When people are bothering people and teasing them all the time, that can cause a person to be suicidal. There were times when i felt like i didn't wanna live anymore because i got tired of being picked on and laughed at. I didn't deserve to be treated like that and nobody deserves to be treated like that. I hate ignorant blacks so much. Why do ghetto people have this mentality that it's cool to be ignorant, ghetto, sell drugs, have lots of babies, get on welfare, speak slang words, cuss all the time, drink alcohol, smoke weed and be uneducated? Where does that mentality come from? Why do ghetto people think that educated blacks are acting white? Where does that mentality come from? Just because a black person is educated, that means you're trying to be white? I don't understand that. What's wrong with being educated and smart? There was a scene in Spike Lee's new movie Inside Man with Denzel Washington where this young black kid is playing a video game and the video game shows ignorant black men killing each other. Clive Owen who was the leader of the bank robbers in the movie asks the kid why does he play a game like that. The kid said it's just like my man 50 Cent says, you gotta get rich or die tryin. Clive looked at him and said i gotta tell your father about this video game LOL. Spike Lee was trying to make a point with what that little kid said about what 50 Cent says because so many young black men nowadays are trying to get money by any means necessary instead of getting a education to get a job and make some real money. Too many ignorant black men are emulating what rappers are doing and it's sad. I look at these rappers now like Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Slim Thug, Lil Jon and Eastside Boyz, Trick Daddy, Camron and The Diplomats, Lil Flip, Ying Yang Twins, Dem Franchise Boyz, Trina, Lil Wayne, Lil Kim. None of these rappers are talkin about education and these fools be having silver teeth in their mouth and tattoos all over their body. No wonder the young black kids are so lost because they imitating what these ignorant rappers are doing instead of using their own brains.


I'm tired of these ignorant black NBA players that have tattoos all over their body. I'm tired of these street basketball players like And1 players. And1 basketball players are so ignorant and the ghetto kids love that stuff. What's there to like about ignorant street basketball players doing fancy dribbling, putting the ball underneath their shirt and hitting somebody upside the head with the ball when a person fakes like they're passing the ball but they make their opponent look and the person that faked the pass still has the ball in their hands. One time i was playing basketball in a recreation center in the inner city in Cleveland and i was shooting hoops by myself. Somebody at the other end of the basketball court threw the ball where i was shooting and the ball hit me in the head. I turned around to see who did it and everybody played it off like they didn't know what happened. I was so pissed. I walked out the gym. I figured i better not confront anybody about it because i could've gotten jumped if i did confront somebody about that. I never went to that recreation center again. This is the type of stuff that Bill Cosby has a problem with and i can definitely relate to where he's coming from. Ignorant black youth need to wake the f*ck up and realize that in order to survive in this cruel world, you need a education.

Why is it that educated rappers like Public Enemy, KRS One, The Coup, Dead Prez, Paris, Poor Righteous Teachers, Geto Boys get no radio play and ignorant blacks don't buy their music? I'll tell you why. These rappers try to educate blacks about world issues and getting a education. Ignorant blacks don't wanna listen to them because they don't wanna be preached to. The white media always says rap music is bad but all rap music isn't bad. How come educated rappers like these artists i mentioned get called controversial by the white media? I'll tell you why. Anytime a black man speaks the truth about white people, white people get scared and upset. White people have called Paul Mooney controversial. Paul always speaks the truth about whites. Like he said, if you don't like what he says, don't come to his concerts LOL. White people should know anyway not to come to Paul's concerts cause you know he's gonna say something about whites LOL.

We can go around the world with this till the cows come home the fact remains imo Bill Cosby is Full of Crap ! Like just recently when he went "off" on the Black People on New Orleans who was comming back to the City. These people went through one of the most devasting and humiliating event in their lives. they lost everything, while eveybody sat back and watched these people suffer for nearly two week, watch the government F**k up or semmingly ignored the magnitude of the problem..... Look the point is those people didn't suffer because "Ray Ray and dem didn't finished High School" They suffered because the Federal Government kept putting off fixing and replacing badly damaged levees, and while we are on the subject everybody going on about these people need to find jobs and stop wasting tax payers money (even after it was proven that no one Black or White got anythoing from the government).

No mentioned if any of these people talked to anybody? How is their mental health? That should be the concern. Bill going on like they/we created this where the hell was his outrage when years ago New Orleans was named the most corrupted city in the United States? You had city officials and people running for office hiring hits on one another. And yet no one refuted the charge that he had no problem making money off the same "disgraces" With the FUBU clothing line.

Bill does have faults, but he does give back like making donations to the United Negro College. People don't see things like that. Him and Oprah gives back to the community. I do side with Bill on his harsh words for the black community. But it's going to be difficult for him to reach them. Number 1, he himself wasn't helping the problem whe he was selling his FUBU Fat Albert gear targeting black youths. That gear is expensive, and he was the main one talking that blacks spend too much money on clothes rather than ebonics. I'm not calling him a hypocrite, but don't add insult to injury.
I love Oprah. She does a helluva lot for alot of people. Her work in Africa is phenomenal.

I will admit that I have stated my opinions on Bill and his cheating ways. I don't like any person who cheats on their spouse and then tries to preach to others. What good he has done is not being taken away from him...but I think the issue is the man says one thing and then does another. The FUBU issue, I am not sure abt...but if he was doing that, that is soooo hypocritical. He can preach all he wants to blacks, blaming them, etc. but all the talk in the world isn't going to do it. A-C-T-I-O-N is the way to do things.

At the end of the day do we really care what he says or what he does? I don't think so. So I could really care less, everyone isn't perfect, we're all human and we all make mistakes. His personal life is his business, if he give money to charities that's great, if he doesn't Oh well theres no rule that says he has to, it's his money he can do what he wants with it, he worked hard for it. If he's making money off of FUBU that's great, smart man. Who really knows and who really cares.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Africans/Blacks

now i know not all Black People are like this, but i have seen some with these attributes.

Bil cosby needs to get a damm life all he does is bitch bitch bitch about what ever he can think of cause it shows u he has no taste in classic tv and thinks his cosby show is better then any other show out there which of course it is not

To the people who are dissing Bill Cosby, ya'll are ignorant. Ya'll keep talking about the man's personal life instead of talking about the topic which is what he had to say about the black community. The man was on point with everything he said regarding ignorant blacks. Ignorant blacks don't like to hear the truth about themselves and Bill told them the truth. That's why he's had so much backlash from the black community because of his comments. Why be mad at what the man said? It's the truth.

Wow, this is still being talked about? Well I might as well put my two cents in.

I agree with what Mr. Cosby is saying BUT at the same time, this is a man who has ruined his happy home with his cheating on numerous people.

For those who are putting the blame on the white man and goverment need to get out of la-la land get off the race card for a second. This is America, a place where anyone can get a high school/college education and at least a decent job so the blame whitey act doesn't cut it.

There are people from the gutter who worked their way to the top, hello Oprah! You don't have to play ball, rap, and sell drugs to make it. That's the problem a lot of people are just lazy and don't valve an education like they valve a playstation 3 or the latest roca-a-wear outfit and that's sad.

It's not the white man holding you back, it's the materialism, laziness, and drugs that is holding you back. I know I grew up completely different from those in the 'ghetto' but it's sad to see some folks in the projects with brand new SUV's with the rims all nice and 'tight', carrying $5,000 Gucci purses, a fly hairdo, expensive sneakers designed by the latest basketball star while carrying a $200 iPod and have a Wii or Playstation 3 at home with their plasma T.V but then wonders why they are always broke or can't get a decent education or can't pay their bills. People please, valve your education. It can't hurt to pick up a book.

Preach on sister. Preach on. I agree with everything you said. The problem with ignorant blacks in the ghetto is that reading and education isn't important to them. Bullsh*t, materialism, ignorance is more important to them and that's why ignorant blacks will never have better lives because they refuse to educate themselves and go to school. They think the only way they can make some real money is by selling drugs, robbing, playing in the NBA and NFL, rapping, stripping, prostituting. That's why i posted a topic about black schools are terrible in the chit chat forum. You should check out my topic and gimme your opinion on what i said. Black schools will continue to be terrible until ignorant blacks realize that the only way they can make it in this cruel world is by having a education. I don't think ignorant blacks will ever wake up. They think when a black person wants to be smart and educated that they're trying to be white. Why is it that blacks can't be educated? Why do ignorant blacks think that white people are the only ones who's supposed to be smart? Ignorant blacks laugh at blacks that are nerds and i don't think that's funny. That's why you'll never see another black tv show like Family Matters because to the ignorant black community, Steve Urkel's character wasn't real.