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barwars
05-22-2004, 06:40 PM
Sitcoms ONLY


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38. The Beverly Hillbilles -- Well doggies. This was the most popular sitcom of the 1960s, which dominated the ratings, but was deplored by critics. It has remained a fan favorite ever since, although Im unclear about how current critics feel.
37. Newsradio -- A sharp, smart, funny series that critics adored. This late 90s sitcom featured the late Phil Hartman, who sadly died at the end of the 4th season.
36. Laverne & Shirley -- They were The Odd Couple that weren't that odd. It surpassed it's parent show in both ratings and laughs. One of the greatest spinoffs of all time.
35. Mama's Family -- The most famous character to ever appear on The Carol Burnett Show got a spinoff, and rightfully so. Originally ran on NBC for 2 seasons before getting cancelled, it was picked up for an even longer run in syndication. Featuring classic characters, and even more classic insults, this is truely one of the greatest sitcoms of all time.
34. Boy Meets World -- The smartest of all of TGIF's 90s shows, this was something the entire family could watch, and not feel guilty about it. It was smart, funny, and endearing. It was either cut too short, or ran too long. But for what it is, BMW didn't treat its audience like idiots, because really -- they weren't.
33. The Facts of Life -- A moderate success in the ratings, this show achieved its highest status through syndication. Its often poked fun at in other TV shows and movies, but before Cheers, this was NBC's longest running sitcom.
32. Maude -- Possibly the most shocking series of all time, with the most talked about episode ever. A true classic that made us laugh and cry.
31. The Simpsons -- Sure, The Flintstones invented it, but The Simpsons perfected it. And primetime cartoons have been a FOX staple since. The longest running sitcom of all time, with lovable characters and over 300 episodes filled with laughs, this will sure to be entertaining the world long beyond its 15+ year run.
30. WKRP in Cincinnatti -- A radio station, a radio manager, some DJs, and some music. It was a fairly simple concept, but what really put it over the top was that it still brought laughs.
29. Family Ties -- Plain and simple, the smartest written family sitcom ever. The characters were real, as were the situations. If it weren't for the "annoying-add-a-kid", this show would make the top 10.
28. Murphy Brown -- She was the Mary Richards of the 90s, and her co-horts were just as funny as the gang at WJM-TV. A classic sitcom about a classic premise, the workplace.
27. Welcome Back, Kotter -- Welcome back, welcome back. The themesong says it all, its a true classic that has stood the test of time, and is always welcomed back.
26. The Jeffersons -- Norman Lear's most successful series, and the most accessible. Rich, poor, black, white, "zebra", everyone could relate to this show.
25. The Honeymooners -- To the moon!! And it went, came back, and went again. One of the most beloved series of all time, that never looses its luster.
24. My Three Sons -- A TV staple throughout the 60s. This show was filled with morals and laughs, but neither were shoved down our throats.
23. Ellen -- Was the first show to have an openly gay character in the lead, it ended too soon, but for its own good. After Ellen came out, she kept coming out, and coming out, which got old fast.
22. Friends -- The most popular show in recent history, that shows no sign of slowing down, even if it has stopped. With its spinoff, Joey, on the way, the laughs are sure to keep on rolling.
21. Mork & Mindy -- One of the funniest series of all time that launched a comedic icon, one of the greatest actors of all time, Robin Williams.
20. Golden Girls -- The highest rated syndicated show of all time, is also one of the finest. An unexpected hit that entertained both the young and old.
19. The Wonder Year -- A hit with the general public, along with a cult following, not to mention critics. A genuinely smart series that took a different look at the past. Smart, funny, and realistic. This was nostalgia at its best.
18. The Odd Couple -- It was a movie. It was a play. But it still IS a TV show, and a fine one at that. Tony Randall and Jack Klugman made classic characters their own, and even funnier. The interactions between characters is gold. This is one of the most highly regarded series of all time. Very few people dont like this show. Gary Marshall's crowning achievement.
17. Taxi -- The first in a long line of ensemble casts. The classic "what does the yellow light mean?" scene has often been considered the funniest moment in TV history. Launched the career of many Hollywood staples, both in front of and behind the camera.
16. Happy Days -- A true classic, that nobody can deny. The first nostalgic series that was a big hit. Still adored today, the post-Ritchie years are underpar, but for the most part, it was gold. Invented one of the most widely known TV terms, "jump the shark".
15. The Brady Bunch -- Like Gilligan's Island before it, this is another cult hit from Sherwood Shwartz that has remained an icon in TV history. 3 spinoffs, 3 spoofs, 1 reunion movie, 1 bio-pic, and millions of reruns later, it still remains a hit.
14. Bewitched -- The greatest "fantasy" sitcom ever. The interactions between the characters are priceless. If there was no Endora, we'd never see a "Marie Barone"
13. The Bob Newhart Show -- Sharp and funny, proved to the world that TV doesn't have to be dumb. Bob Newhart created possibly the first neurotic character for television.
12. Gilligan's Island -- The biggest cult classic sitcom ever, second only to Star Trek overall. Only lasted 3 seasons, but still holds the title as most syndicated show ever.
11. The Andy Griffith Show -- The most realistic of all the rural-60s comedies, and also the smartest. Was a gem during the first 5 seasons, but once Don Knotts left.... so did the comedy.
10. Frasier -- The greatest spinoff ever, stepped out of its parent's show shadow, but still never forgot where it began. Proved that a critic's darling can be a hit with fans. Won more awards than any other show in TV history.
9. Three's Company -- A true groundbreaker that remains fresh and funny.
8. Mary Tyler Moore -- Possibly the most highly regarded series of all time.
7. The Dick Van Dyke Show -- The first true, greatly written sitcom, that entertained critics and the public alike.
6. The Cosby Show -- Saved the sitcom format in the fall of 1984 and brought a failing network to #1.
5. M*A*S*H -- The American Sitcom. Loved by critics and the general public alike.
4. Cheers -- Just down right funny. A simple set, with wonderful characters, whether you love it or not, it's the greatest sitcom that didn't break any barriers. It played it safe, and made us laugh -- what a sitcom was meant to do. A hit with the critics from day one, and perfect proof that a show needs time before it finds an audience. And it did, all the way to #1.
3. Seinfeld -- A cult hit that went mainstream, and obtained an even bigger cult status. Destined to become the highest selling TVDVDs of all time.
2. All in the Family -- Shook up TV, and the world in general, still remains funny and vibrant.
1. I Love Lucy -- It made the sitcom what it is today, and still remains funny.


Ill finish later.

Chain Gang Member
05-22-2004, 06:44 PM
Put in Three's Company(two girls living with a man in sin) & Married With Children(anti-Cosby).They changed TV history too.Plus Happy Days

LucyFan
05-22-2004, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by barwars88
9 Frasier -- The greatest spinoff ever, stepped out of its parent's show shadow.
8 Mary Tyler Moore -- Possibly the most highly regarded series of all time.
7 The Dick Van Dyke Show -- The first true, greatly written sitcom, that entertained critics and the public alike.
6 The Cosby Show -- Saved the sitcom format in the fall of 1985 and brought a failing network to #1.
5 Seinfeld -- A cult hit that went mainstream, and obtained an even bigger cult status. Destined to become the highest selling TVDVDs of all time.
4 M*A*S*H -- The American Sitcom. Loved by critics and the general public alike.
3 Cheers -- Just down right funny.
2 All in the Family -- Shook up TV, and the world in general, still remains funny and vibrant.
1. I Love Lucy -- It made the sitcom what it is today, and still remains funny.

I'm surprised that neither


Ill finish later.

I'm surprised The Andy Griffith Show wasn't included in the top five. Believe or not, that show has made an huge impact on television.

Another thing, it's awfully ironic that both Cheers and it's spin-off, Frasier are included in the Top 10. I can't imagine either one of them being that high in the list.

AKA
05-22-2004, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
I'm surprised The Andy Griffith Show wasn't included in the top five. Believe or not, that show has made an huge impact on television.

Another thing, it's awfully ironic that both Cheers and it's spin-off, Frasier are included in the Top 10. I can't imagine either one of them being that high in the list.

You can't? Where have you been the last 22 years? Both are two of the most highly acclaimed sitcoms of all time.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083399/awards
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106004/awards

barwars
05-23-2004, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by LucyFan
I'm surprised The Andy Griffith Show wasn't included in the top five. Believe or not, that show has made an huge impact on television.


I said Ill finish later, it'll be on there.

barwars
05-23-2004, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by LucyFan
I'm surprised The Andy Griffith Show wasn't included in the top five. Believe or not, that show has made an huge impact on television.

Im not saying its a bad sitcom (i love the Don Knotts years).... but what "huge impact" did it have??





Top 20 are finished.

Chocoholic
05-24-2004, 10:59 AM
If I see Everybody Loves Raymond up there before The Simpsons, Wings, or NewsRadio, I'm gonna get SOOOOOOOOO mad at you!

:lol: :D

FamilyTiesGOP
05-24-2004, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by AKA
You can't? Where have you been the last 22 years? Both are two of the most highly acclaimed sitcoms of all time.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083399/awards
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106004/awards

Thanks for beating me to the punch. As soon as I read that post about Cheers and Frasier not belonging in the top 10, it made me mad. Frasier Crane was just the longest running sitcom character in television history. Longer than Lucy...

Chocoholic
05-24-2004, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by FamilyTiesGOP
Frasier Crane was just the longest running sitcom character in television history. Longer than Lucy...

Funnier than Lucy too! :lol: :lol: :lol:

LucyFan
05-24-2004, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by FamilyTiesGOP
Thanks for beating me to the punch. As soon as I read that post about Cheers and Frasier not belonging in the top 10, it made me mad. Frasier Crane was just the longest running sitcom character in television history. Longer than Lucy...

That's a matter of opinion. Lucy played her character throughout 1950's, 1960's, and early 70's. You do the math!

LucyFan
05-24-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by Sideshow Kristen
Funnier than Lucy too! :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would have to disagree. :D

barwars
05-24-2004, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
That's a matter of opinion. Lucy played her character throughout 1950's, 1960's, and early 70's. You do the math!

NO she didnt.
Lucy ACTED on TV during those years.
But it was a different character on each show.
Its NOT the same thing.

Dean Winchester
05-24-2004, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
That's a matter of opinion. Lucy played her character throughout 1950's, 1960's, and early 70's. You do the math!

well, just because you hate Cheers doesn't mean it's not one of the biggest sitcoms of all time. I hate Everybody Loves Raymond, but I won't deny that it's been one of the biggest sitcoms of the past decade.

barwars
05-24-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
That's a matter of opinion. Lucy played her character throughout 1950's, 1960's, and early 70's. You do the math!

It's NOT a matter of opinion, its a FACT.
Dr. Frasier Crane is the longest running sitcom character in the history of television.
NOBODY will ever surpass that.

FamilyTiesGOP
05-24-2004, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by barwars88
It's NOT a matter of opinion, its a FACT.
Dr. Frasier Crane is the longest running sitcom character in the history of television.
NOBODY will ever surpass that.

Thanks for clearing this up (although for most of us it wasn't necessary because we understood the orginal point...). LucyFan obviously doesn't know the difference between actor and character. Kelsey Grammer's character Frasier Crane was on longer than Lucille Ball's character Lucy Ricardo. No question about that.

And it is not an opinion, it is a fact. I heard it on TV Land myself.

FamilyTiesGOP
05-24-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
That's a matter of opinion. Lucy played her character throughout 1950's, 1960's, and early 70's. You do the math!

Well you get out a dictionary and try and figure out the difference between actor and character because you obviously don't know what the rest of us meant.

LucyFan
05-24-2004, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
well, just because you hate Cheers doesn't mean it's not one of the biggest sitcoms of all time. I hate Everybody Loves Raymond, but I won't deny that it's been one of the biggest sitcoms of the past decade.

I've never said that I hated the 80's sitcom, Cheers.

LucyFan
05-24-2004, 06:47 PM
Well, I'm just going to stop it right here. I don't want to have another fight to break out. Regardless if it did, my opinion AND the real fact will still be considered "invalid" (which it's not!) by the majority of you guys. So it's not worth explaining my good, logical points at all anymore. I'm through (as for this thread).

Dean Winchester
05-26-2004, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by LucyFan
I've never said that I hated the 80's sitcom, Cheers.

didn't you almost have an aneurysm over the thought of it and Family Ties coming to TV Land?

USTVFanFromUK
05-29-2004, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by barwars88
It's NOT a matter of opinion, its a FACT.
Dr. Frasier Crane is the longest running sitcom character in the history of television.
NOBODY will ever surpass that.

Actually Frasier is tied with that distinction with the character of Matt Dilion from Gunsmoke. Both characters ran 20 years. Gunsoke spent a record 20 years on the air.

FamilyTiesGOP
05-29-2004, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by USTVFanFromUK
Actually Frasier is tied with that distinction with the character of Matt Dilion from Gunsmoke. Both characters ran 20 years. Gunsoke spent a record 20 years on the air.

Gunsmoke is not a sitcom.

USTVFanFromUK
05-29-2004, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by FamilyTiesGOP
Gunsmoke is not a sitcom.

Agh! Yes.........Forget my last post..... ::drowsy::

sitcomfan1
06-08-2004, 05:51 AM
I am a Lucy fan and I do agree with the other statement about Lucy being a different character with each of her other shows.

I love Lucy she was Lucy Ricardo
The Lucy Show she was Lucy Carmichael
Here's Lucy she was Lucy Carter

JT
09-26-2004, 01:51 PM
This....is an old thread, I know it is, really, but I just had to put in my two Lincoln coins...

Anyone who insists that Lucille Ball played the same character from 1951 to 1974 is either: not knowledgable in television history (which could be understood), a very diehard Lucy fan with strong views (which could not be understood), or just a damn psycho. You guess what LucyFan is...

And for the record, the longest running character in all of television history is Nancy Hughes McClosky, played by Helen Wagner on "As the World Turns" since its premeire in 1956.

And while I know that the matter at hand is about longest-running sitcom characters, I felt that this needed to be mentioned. Even if Lucy did play the character for 23 years, she still wouldn't catch some soap vets. I can think of many, many names. Larry Brygmann, Don Hastings, Susan Lucci, Ruth Warrick, Frances Reid, Ray MacDonnell, Kathryn Hays, Colleen Zenk-Pinter, Leslie Charleson, Julia Barr. All of these people (and many, many more) have been on at least one show for over 25 years. There's a LOT more too. I really am trying to emphasize that there are a LOT more where they came from.

So, if this renews a fight (which I dread that it will), I don't really care. I just really needed to chime in.

tylerjjj
09-26-2004, 08:30 PM
LucyFan, your a delusional twit ( just my two cents)!

spunkygirl
09-26-2004, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by JT
This....is an old thread, I know it is, really, but I just had to put in my two Lincoln coins...

Anyone who insists that Lucille Ball played the same character from 1951 to 1974 is either: not knowledgable in television history (which could be understood), a very diehard Lucy fan with strong views (which could not be understood), or just a damn psycho. You guess what LucyFan is...

And for the record, the longest running character in all of television history is Nancy Hughes McClosky, played by Helen Wagner on "As the World Turns" since its premeire in 1956.

And while I know that the matter at hand is about longest-running sitcom characters, I felt that this needed to be mentioned. Even if Lucy did play the character for 23 years, she still wouldn't catch some soap vets. I can think of many, many names. Larry Brygmann, Don Hastings, Susan Lucci, Ruth Warrick, Frances Reid, Ray MacDonnell, Kathryn Hays, Colleen Zenk-Pinter, Leslie Charleson, Julia Barr. All of these people (and many, many more) have been on at least one show for over 25 years. There's a LOT more too. I really am trying to emphasize that there are a LOT more where they came from.

So, if this renews a fight (which I dread that it will), I don't really care. I just really needed to chime in.


:nod: I agree with you, It makes me mad when they say Kelsey has the longest running character in tv history, when he's technically not only in sitcoms, if they went by all genres of televison he wouldn't come close to some others :)

barwars
09-26-2004, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Angela Micelli
:nod: I agree with you, It makes me mad when they say Kelsey has the longest running character in tv history, when he's technically not only in sitcoms, if they went by all genres of televison he wouldn't come close to some others :)

They don't. Technically, he isn't tied with anyone for longest running sitcom character.
The term most often used is "longest running primetime TV character", tied with James Arness

Brent88
09-27-2004, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by tylerjjj
LucyFan, your a delusional twit ( just my two cents)!

AKA ClassicTVFanatic.

:nod:

JT
09-27-2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by barwars
They don't. Technically, he isn't tied with anyone for longest running sitcom character.
The term most often used is "longest running primetime TV character", tied with James Arness

Yeah, he's definatly the longest-running sitcom character. 20 years in sitcoms is quite the accomplishment. The cast of "The Simpsons" will be hitting 20 in five more years, but I wonder if TS will last that long...

When it comes to primetime in general, Frasier is tied with Matt Dillon (played by Arness on Gunsmoke from 1955 to 1975).

There are several nonsitcoms that fall into the 10-20 year range also. Bonanza ran from 1959-1973 and I believe that Lorne Greene (Ben) and Michael Landon (Little Joe) were there for all 14 seasons. Dan Blocker (Hoss) died in 1972, just after filming of the last season began.

Knots Landing ran from 1979-1993 and only two cast members stayed for the whole run, Michele Lee (Karen, who is the only cast member to appear in all 344 episodes) and Ted Shackleford (Gary). Joan Van Ark (Val) left in 1992, but came back for several episodes at the end of the run (not sure how many though).

Law & Order premiered in 1990 and is entering it's 15th year. I'm not really sure about L&O, but I believe that Jerry Orbach has been on since its premiere, though I think I read about him leaving.

So when it all breaks down, the longest-running characters (that is, not hosts, panelists or variety performers) exist in daytime. Helen Wagner, has been on As the World Turns for the previously mentioned 48 years, thought she was on recurring from 1981 to 1985. Don Hastings (who plays her onscreen son Bob Hughes) has been on since 1960. Rachel Ames has played General Hospital's Audrey Hardy since 1964, though she was put on recurring status sometime in the past few years. Frances Reid has been on Days of our Lives as Alice Horton since 1965, and until early this year, John Clarke played Alice's son Mickey. Ruth Warrick (Phoebe T. Wallingford), Ray MacDonnell (Joe Martin) and Susan Lucci (Erica Kane) have all been on All My Children since it came around in 1970. Erika Slezak has been One Life to Live's Viki Davidson since 1971. Kathryn Hays has played Kim Hughes on ATWT since 1972, and Jeanne Cooper has been playing Katherine Chancellor on The Young and the Restless since it's debut in 1973. There's many more who premiered in the mid-late 70s and early 80s who have been on continously since then. Many, though, have been on off-and-on, like Eileen Fulton of ATWT. Eileen played Lisa Miller from 1960-1964, 1967-1983 and 1984-present. Deidre Hall played Marlena Evans on DOOL from 1976-1987 and 1991-present.

Even with cancelled shows, there are some heavy hitters. Mary Stuart (Jo Gardner) and Larry Haines (Stu Bergman) were on Search for Tomorrow for its entire 35 year run (1951-1986).

Now of course, this is painfully off-topic, but who else would I unload all of this useless information on?

barwars
09-27-2004, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by JT
Yeah, he's definatly the longest-running sitcom character. 20 years in sitcoms is quite the accomplishment. The cast of "The Simpsons" will be hitting 20 in five more years, but I wonder if TS will last that long...

Law & Order premiered in 1990 and is entering it's 15th year. I'm not really sure about L&O, but I believe that Jerry Orbach has been on since its premiere, though I think I read about him leaving.

Nobody on L&O today was on L&O when it premiered.
As for The Simpsons.... I think it will either end at 20, 25, or never.

JT
09-27-2004, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by barwars
Nobody on L&O today was on L&O when it premiered.
As for The Simpsons.... I think it will either end at 20, 25, or never.
I think that as long as it stays popular (ie. DVDs/videos, memorabilia, guest stars etc), FOX'll keep it on. But if the steam finally does run completely out, I give it to about 2010.

barwars
09-27-2004, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by JT
I think that as long as it stays popular (ie. DVDs/videos, memorabilia, guest stars etc), FOX'll keep it on. But if the steam finally does run completely out, I give it to about 2010.

For being on such a long time, I hope they agree to end it on a landmark.
Not a dumb number like 22 or 23.
The DVDs will take forever to get out.... so that'll never die down.

JaneTVFan
07-24-2005, 03:51 AM
Thanks for clearing this up (although for most of us it wasn't necessary because we understood the orginal point...). LucyFan obviously doesn't know the difference between actor and character. Kelsey Grammer's character Frasier Crane was on longer than Lucille Ball's character Lucy Ricardo. No question about that.

And it is not an opinion, it is a fact. I heard it on TV Land myself.

Well if you heard it on TV Land, then it MUST be true. Oh, please. I've heard TV Land claim plenty of things that aren't always true (their researchers need to dig a little deeper sometimes). If we're double qualifying this as the longest running TELEVISION character on a SITUATION COMEDY, then maybe that honor goes to Frasier. But if you broaden the definition to longest running comedy series character, then Frasier does not win. There have certainly been other comedy characters that have endured as long, or longer, than Frasier. Take, for example, Gracie Allen's character (and no, she wasn't really playing herself, but a comedy version of herself that was nothing like the real Gracie Allen). She began playing that character regularly on radio in 1934. That series lasted right up to (and beyond) the Burns and Allen transition to television in 1950, and she continued playing her in the television series until 1958. So that's 24 years. And actually, the character was created in vaudeville years before the radio series began in 1934. So it was really longer. And George ran another year beyond Gracie, until 1959.

Jack Benny's radio persona also came into being in 1934, and his series also endured through his transition to television in 1950. And Benny continued on in his television series until 1965. So that character lasted more than three decades in a series. Also on Benny's show, starting in 1937, was Eddie Anderson as Rochester. He was with the show from then until it ended in 1965. So there you have a TOTALLY fictional sitcom character that endured 28 years. Jackie Gleason began playing Ralph Kramden in his variety show in 1950. He played the character regularly until 1957, including one year when The Honeymooners was a stand-alone series. The character was reprised occasionally for his 1962-1966 variety series, and then was a regular feature on the show from 1966-1970. Then from 1976 to 1978, he made several hour-long Honeymooners specials as Ralph Kramden. Both Gleason and Art Carney were Ralph and Ed in all of these shows.

Then there's Ozzie and Harriet. They began playing the fictional versions of themselves in 1944. They transitioned to television in 1952 and continued their series until 1966. Amos and Andy ran on radio and television from 1928 straight through to 1955, 27 years. Now as for Lucy, I would have to agree with Lucyfan. Though Lucille Ball may have changed the name and marital status of her character through the years, it was still, in spirit, the same character. She did three years on radio starting in 1948 as Liz Cooper, which led directly to Lucy Ricardo on television in 1951. She played Lucy Ricardo until 1960. Then Lucy Carmichael from 1962-1968, and Lucy Carter from 1968 to 1974. That totals 24 years, 21 of which were on television.

barwars
07-24-2005, 09:57 AM
Well if you heard it on TV Land, then it MUST be true. Oh, please. I've heard TV Land claim plenty of things that aren't always true (their researchers need to dig a little deeper sometimes). If we're double qualifying this as the longest running TELEVISION character on a SITUATION COMEDY, then maybe that honor goes to Frasier. But if you broaden the definition to longest running comedy series character, then Frasier does not win. There have certainly been other comedy characters that have endured as long, or longer, than Frasier. Take, for example, Gracie Allen's character (and no, she wasn't really playing herself, but a comedy version of herself that was nothing like the real Gracie Allen). She began playing that character regularly on radio in 1934. That series lasted right up to (and beyond) the Burns and Allen transition to television in 1950, and she continued playing her in the television series until 1958. So that's 24 years. And actually, the character was created in vaudeville years before the radio series began in 1934. So it was really longer. And George ran another year beyond Gracie, until 1959.

Jack Benny's radio persona also came into being in 1934, and his series also endured through his transition to television in 1950. And Benny continued on in his television series until 1965. So that character lasted more than three decades in a series. Also on Benny's show, starting in 1937, was Eddie Anderson as Rochester. He was with the show from then until it ended in 1965. So there you have a TOTALLY fictional sitcom character that endured 28 years. Jackie Gleason began playing Ralph Kramden in his variety show in 1950. He played the character regularly until 1957, including one year when The Honeymooners was a stand-alone series. The character was reprised occasionally for his 1962-1966 variety series, and then was a regular feature on the show from 1966-1970. Then from 1976 to 1978, he made several hour-long Honeymooners specials as Ralph Kramden. Both Gleason and Art Carney were Ralph and Ed in all of these shows.

Then there's Ozzie and Harriet. They began playing the fictional versions of themselves in 1944. They transitioned to television in 1952 and continued their series until 1966. Amos and Andy ran on radio and television from 1928 straight through to 1955, 27 years. Now as for Lucy, I would have to agree with Lucyfan. Though Lucille Ball may have changed the name and marital status of her character through the years, it was still, in spirit, the same character. She did three years on radio starting in 1948 as Liz Cooper, which led directly to Lucy Ricardo on television in 1951. She played Lucy Ricardo until 1960. Then Lucy Carmichael from 1962-1968, and Lucy Carter from 1968 to 1974. That totals 24 years, 21 of which were on television.



Frasier Crane was the longest running sitcom character, period. End of story.

JaneTVFan
07-24-2005, 12:01 PM
Frasier Crane was the longest running sitcom character, period. End of story.

Did you read what I wrote? Frasier Crane (who missed the first couple seasons of Cheers) is NOT the longest running sitcom character, as you say. He's the situation comedy character with the longest TELEVISION run. That's a very qualified statement. And that definition totally ignores those television situation comedy characters that began in radio. Rochester, Amos and Andy, Jack, George, Gracie, Ozzie, Harriet, they all have Frasier beat by years as well as number of performances. I also disagree about not counting Lucille Ball's characterization. She did several incarnations of the SAME character in television. But if you're going to be picky, then fine. But longest running situation comedy performer in television: Lucille Ball, who did several seasons, and over 100 episodes, more than Kelsey Grammer. Count in radio, then her sitcom performances outnumber Grammer's by well over 200. End of story.

troopoleon8897
07-24-2005, 12:56 PM
Did you read what I wrote? Frasier Crane (who missed the first couple seasons of Cheers) is NOT the longest running sitcom character, as you say. He's the situation comedy character with the longest TELEVISION run. That's a very qualified statement. And that definition totally ignores those television situation comedy characters that began in radio. Rochester, Amos and Andy, Jack, George, Gracie, Ozzie, Harriet, they all have Frasier beat by years as well as number of performances. I also disagree about not counting Lucille Ball's characterization. She did several incarnations of the SAME character in television. But if you're going to be picky, then fine. But longest running situation comedy performer in television: Lucille Ball, who did several seasons, and over 100 episodes, more than Kelsey Grammer. Count in radio, then her sitcom performances outnumber Grammer's by well over 200. End of story.

You just don't get it, He is talking character not performer... Lucy may be the longest running performer, but the character of Dr. Frasier Crane is the longest running SITCOM CHARACTER in the history of television, Period...

JaneTVFan
07-26-2005, 12:51 AM
You just don't get it, He is talking character not performer... Lucy may be the longest running performer, but the character of Dr. Frasier Crane is the longest running SITCOM CHARACTER in the history of television, Period...

No, YOU just get it. Or else you just can't read. I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time for the benefit of those who are unwilling or unable to read what I've already written. You're wrong. If you want to know why, READ.

barwars
07-26-2005, 08:42 AM
No, YOU just get it. Or else you just can't read. I'm not going to repeat myself for the third time for the benefit of those who are unwilling or unable to read what I've already written. You're wrong. If you want to know why, READ.

Okay, so Frasier is the longest running TELEVISION sitcom character. Lucy played different roles whether you like it or not.

dawsongirl
07-26-2005, 05:37 PM
Oh god...I'm getting flashbacks of 2002...

Tweety
07-26-2005, 10:50 PM
Frasier Crane was the longest running sitcom character, period. End of story.


ah, that's nothin... in movies, Walter Matthau played the exact same character in every movie he ever made, spanning more than 40 years.

troopoleon8897
07-30-2005, 11:10 PM
ah, that's nothin... in movies, Walter Matthau played the exact same character in every movie he ever made, spanning more than 40 years.


Not true, he played Mr. Wilson in Dennis the Mennis but not in other movies

btw, JaneTVFan, I can read perfectly fine, you implied that Fraiser was not the longest running sitcom character, but that Lucy was, but Lucy played a different character on each show, therefore making Frasier Crane the longest running sitcom character....

troopoleon8897
07-30-2005, 11:12 PM
Did you read what I wrote? Frasier Crane (who missed the first couple seasons of Cheers) is NOT the longest running sitcom character, as you say. He's the situation comedy character with the longest TELEVISION run. That's a very qualified statement. And that definition totally ignores those television situation comedy characters that began in radio. Rochester, Amos and Andy, Jack, George, Gracie, Ozzie, Harriet, they all have Frasier beat by years as well as number of performances. I also disagree about not counting Lucille Ball's characterization. She did several incarnations of the SAME character in television. But if you're going to be picky, then fine. But longest running situation comedy performer in television: Lucille Ball, who did several seasons, and over 100 episodes, more than Kelsey Grammer. Count in radio, then her sitcom performances outnumber Grammer's by well over 200. End of story.

Several incarnations does not count as the same character, I don't think anyone said Kelsey was the longest running Performer but he did the longest running character...

barwars
07-31-2005, 04:32 PM
Not true, he played Mr. Wilson in Dennis the Mennis but not in other movies

I think she was being sarcastic. Walter Matthau always played a grumpy old guy.

Brian Damage
02-18-2008, 09:43 PM
Not true, he played Mr. Wilson in Dennis the Mennis but not in other movies

btw, JaneTVFan, I can read perfectly fine, you implied that Fraiser was not the longest running sitcom character, but that Lucy was, but Lucy played a different character on each show, therefore making Frasier Crane the longest running sitcom character....


Please don't listen to that dope Janetv, she is totally misinformed and a gigantic bore. Frasier Crane is the longest running sitcom character on tv and will soon beat out the corpse known as Lucy for longer standing PERFORMER. :lol: