Nick at Nite announced at its fall upfront presentation yesterday that "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" will join the schedule in September, while "Murphy Brown" will join in January, 2005.

Good luck with "Murphy", Nick -- that show has already bombed in syndication and on Lifetime.

Yes, Murphy Brown was the secret show I told everyone that would be coming in January. I think everyone knows about Fresh Prince for this fall already. TV Land has a secret drama coming in January, which I won't say until the press release comes out. The press release for Nick@Nite's Murphy Brown, etc should be out later this morning or afternoon.

Murphy Brown = awesomeness.

Great to hear that its coming.
I think its a great fit.

Maybe by January 2005 double takes will be dead, and they will all of the shows they air now, plus WTB?, FP, and MB all before 1:00

Originally posted by barwars88


Maybe by January 2005 double takes will be dead, and they will all of the shows they air now, plus WTB?, FP, and MB all before 1:00

I doubt that, have you seen the new TV Land schedule? Double takes everywhere in primetime.

I don't see Murphy doing any better on N@N than it did on Lifetime, which must have been bad because it didn't stay on no time. Well hopefully, at least, with this pile of new shows coming, Cosby will have to be cut back some.

What I think the lineup should look like in January 2005....


9:00 Full House
9:30 The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
10:00 The Cosby Show
10:30 Who's The Boss?
11:00 Roseanne
11:30 Murphy Brown
12:00 Wings
12:30 Cheers
1:00 Coach (if they still have the rights)
1:30 Full House
2:00 The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
2:30 The Cosby Show
3:00 Who's The Boss?
3:30 Roseanne
4:00 Murphy Brown
4:30 Wings
5:00 Cheers
5:30 Coach

Originally posted by barwars88
What I think the lineup should look like in January 2005....


9:00 Full House
9:30 The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
10:00 The Cosby Show
10:30 Who's The Boss?
11:00 Roseanne
11:30 Murphy Brown
12:00 Wings
12:30 Cheers
1:00 Coach (if they still have the rights)
1:30 Full House
2:00 The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
2:30 The Cosby Show
3:00 Who's The Boss?
3:30 Roseanne
4:00 Murphy Brown
4:30 Wings
5:00 Cheers
5:30 Coach

Coach expires at the end of this month, and they have no plans to renew.

I think it'll be like this by January:
9:00PM Full House
9:30PM Fresh Prince of Bel-Air
10:00PM The Cosby Show
10:30PM Who's The Boss? (if it does well)
11:00PM Roseanne
11:30PM Murphy Brown
12:00AM The Cosby Show
12:30AM The Cosby Show
1:00AM Roseanne
1:30AM Roseanne
2:00AM Cheers
2:30AM Cheers
3:00AM Who's the Boss?
3:30AM Wings
4:00AM Murphy Brown
4:30AM Murphy Brown
5:00AM Full House
5:30AM Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

I can see where I am going to watch N@N less and even more less soon. I dislike Fresh Prince and Murphy Brown. I already dislike Cosby and Full House. The only time I watch is for Cheers at 1:00am and occasionally Roseanne (when TV Land is messing with its 11:00pm slot) and I am not watching a tape.

I love murphy Brown, I forgot all about that show.

plus Double takes are good.

I've never seen Murphy Brown, but I will give it a shot.

A secret drama coming in 2005 to TV Land? I'm intrigued...

Originally posted by ClassicComedyFan2
I've never seen Murphy Brown, but I will give it a shot.

A secret drama coming in 2005 to TV Land? I'm intrigued...

Im not a HUGE drama fan.... but Im giving all hope that its Lou Grant

I would like to see The Fugitive come to TV Land. I really enjoyed it when they had it on their TV Land Moguls block.

Murphy Brown is LONG overdue for syndication. I can't wait. I will be taping this one!!!

Murphy Brown? yes. I still think it is way too soon for Fresh Prince to come out on N@N.

Originally posted by jayman75
Murphy Brown is LONG overdue for syndication. I can't wait. I will be taping this one!!!

Too true, since it was only for what? Less than a year on Lifetime in 2000/2001?

Great, I wouldn't be surprised if more Nick at Nite shows (such as The Cosby Show, ect.) end up on TV Land by January 2005. What a shame. :(

Originally posted by LucyFan
Great, I wouldn't be surprised if more Nick at Nite shows (such as The Cosby Show, ect.) end up on TV Land by January 2005. What a shame. :(

I'm VERY excited about "Murphy Brown". I haven't seen it in ages. I can care less about FP.

Originally posted by LucyFan
Great, I wouldn't be surprised if more Nick at Nite shows (such as The Cosby Show, ect.) end up on TV Land by January 2005. What a shame. :(

no offense, but what do you have so much against shows that premiered within the last 30 years?

AKA for president


I completely agree.... whenever I get an email that says "LucyFan has replied to blahblahblah" I dread what Im going to read.
Do you ever stop complaining?!

Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
Murphy Brown? yes. I still think it is way too soon for Fresh Prince to come out on N@N.

Umm...FP premeired a year after MB, and FP was cancelled three seasons before MB, so actually MB is newer than FP...

Originally posted by LucyFan
Great, I wouldn't be surprised if more Nick at Nite shows (such as The Cosby Show, ect.) end up on TV Land by January 2005. What a shame. :(

What does that have to do with Murphy Brown and Fresh Prince?!




And people could complain just as much about I Love Lucy ending up on TVLand after being on N@N. What a shame.

Originally posted by pavanbadal
Yes, Murphy Brown was the secret show I told everyone that would be coming in January. I think everyone knows about Fresh Prince for this fall already. TV Land has a secret drama coming in January, which I won't say until the press release comes out. The press release for Nick@Nite's Murphy Brown, etc should be out later this morning or afternoon.

Pav, as I already said -- this is great news.
Just wondering -- will any show's contracts be up by the time Murphy Brown joins the lineup??

Or will there be hope for them all to air?

Originally posted by barwars88
Pav, as I already said -- this is great news.
Just wondering -- will any show's contracts be up by the time Murphy Brown joins the lineup??

Or will there be hope for them all to air?

Let's see -- Coach expires at the end of this month, Who's the Boss? expires after next May. No idea how long they have Wings for, but I think it is a multiple year deal, maybe 4 years. Everything else will be around for a while.

Originally posted by pavanbadal
Let's see -- Coach expires at the end of this month, Who's the Boss? expires after next May. No idea how long they have Wings for, but I think it is a multiple year deal, maybe 4 years. Everything else will be around for a while.

So Who's The Boss? is considered sort of a "second class" show?? Sort of like Coach??
That sucks.

Originally posted by barwars88
So Who's The Boss? is considered sort of a "second class" show?? Sort of like Coach??
That sucks.

I don't know. I'm not much of a fan. I think the only current Nick At Nite show Who's The Boss? is better than is Full House.

Originally posted by AKA
I don't know. I'm not much of a fan. I think the only current Nick At Nite show Who's The Boss? is better than is Full House.

I agree.
But I still like both shows (FH is VERY corny, but hard not to like -- I loved it when I was younger)

Originally posted by JT
Umm...FP premeired a year after MB, and FP was cancelled three seasons before MB, so actually MB is newer than FP... Actually,Murphy Brown premiered in 1988,Fresh Prince premiered in 1990. So Murphy Brown is older than Fresh Prince.

And also how does Murphy Brown fit into Nick at Nite's demographics??? Murphy Brown should have been on Oxygen or WE!. Lifetime treated Murphy Brown like it was nothing,and so did Night Court when it was on there as well.

Actually,I would like to see Night Court on Nick at Nite as well.

I love Murphy Brown! But I really don't think it will appeal to younger audiences.(like Newhart for example)
I like Fresh Prince too but it has been run to death everywhere else!

Originally posted by TVJunkie101
Too true, since it was only for what? Less than a year on Lifetime in 2000/2001?

I wanna say it was 2001/02....I'm almost positive I was a junior in HS when MB was on...But I'm not entirely sure.

Originally posted by Penny Lane
I love Murphy Brown! But I really don't think it will appeal to younger audiences.(like Newhart for example)
I like Fresh Prince too but it has been run to death everywhere else!

I was 3 when it debuted in 1988, and I can remember watching the episode where Murphy Brown gave birth...That was...1991? 1992?

I always did like shows for older people when I was a little girl. :)

Sounds good. Hopefully there won't be so many back to back episodes of one show. Variety is good. and I do like the two new shows they are adding.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't FP on N@N not too long ago? :confused:

Originally posted by Miss Vicki
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't FP on N@N not too long ago? :confused:

I do not ever remember seeing or hearing of FP on N@N before now...Someone correct ME if I am wrong...

No,Fresh Prince has never aired on Nick at Nite. It has aired on TBS,WGN,and on local stations.

BTW: Will TBS and WGN lose rights to Fresh Prince when it comes to Nick at Nite in September???

Originally posted by BravesFan2004
Actually,Murphy Brown premiered in 1988,Fresh Prince premiered in 1990. So Murphy Brown is older than Fresh Prince.

And also how does Murphy Brown fit into Nick at Nite's demographics??? Murphy Brown should have been on Oxygen or WE!. Lifetime treated Murphy Brown like it was nothing,and so did Night Court when it was on there as well.

Actually,I would like to see Night Court on Nick at Nite as well.

Night Court would be a perfect fit for N@N, if they would move Cosby to TV Land, then maybe other shows might actually have a chance.

Toponga, I edit that post if I were you -- between TCS-hates and "modern classic"-haters.... you'll be pissing everyone off.

Well, except for those who dont give a damn.

Originally posted by barwars88
Toponga, I edit that post if I were you -- between TCS-hates and "modern classic"-haters.... you'll be pissing everyone off.

Well, except for those who dont give a damn.

I say if they don't like it, then don't read it :rolleyes: We have a right to our opinions, if they don't like that, then they're SOL :lol:

Originally posted by Topanga
I say if they don't like it, then don't read it :rolleyes: We have a right to our opinions, if they don't like that, then they're SOL :lol:

good for you
hopefully nobody comes and ruins this post with any sort of bashing.

Originally posted by barwars88
good for you
hopefully nobody comes and ruins this post with any sort of bashing.

Oh sure they will, we all have to love the Cosby show :rolleyes: puke:

Originally posted by barwars88
good for you
hopefully nobody comes and ruins this post with any sort of bashing.

Ala LucyFan.

Originally posted by BravesFan2004
No,Fresh Prince has never aired on Nick at Nite. It has aired on TBS,WGN,and on local stations.

BTW: Will TBS and WGN lose rights to Fresh Prince when it comes to Nick at Nite in September???

Weeeeeeeeird....*scratches head* Er, I don't know what I was thinking of...I was pretty sure I heard it had debuted on N@N last fall...:crazy: And I'm almost sure I saw it on N@N too...But now I really don't know what I was watching anymore...

Originally posted by Miss Vicki
Weeeeeeeeird....*scratches head* Er, I don't know what I was thinking of...I was pretty sure I heard it had debuted on N@N last fall...:crazy: And I'm almost sure I saw it on N@N too...But now I really don't know what I was watching anymore...

I think you've lost it. :crazy:

Just kidding. :lol:

Originally posted by AKA


Amen!

MURPHY BROWN??? :eek: :barf:

Count me as one who won't be watching!

Originally posted by barwars88
Toponga, I edit that post if I were you -- between TCS-hates and "modern classic"-haters.... you'll be pissing everyone off.

Well, except for those who dont give a damn.

I like how people use a term Nick At Nite coined ("modern TV classics") against it.

Originally posted by pavanbadal
Yes, Murphy Brown was the secret show I told everyone that would be coming in January. I think everyone knows about Fresh Prince for this fall already. TV Land has a secret drama coming in January, which I won't say until the press release comes out. The press release for Nick@Nite's Murphy Brown, etc should be out later this morning or afternoon.

Pav, any chance of seeing an 60's or 70's show on Nick at Nite in the future?

Originally posted by LucyFan
Pav, any chance of seeing an 60's or 70's show on Nick at Nite in the future?

Probably not. Nick At Nite has changed their demographic.

Originally posted by AKA
Probably not. Nick At Nite has changed their demographic.

I have no problem with N@N's choice in shows.... I just wish it was like back in the old days of N@N when shows only aired once, or maybe twice a night.... and double takes weren't common.

Originally posted by barwars88
I have no problem with N@N's choice in shows.... I just wish it was like back in the old days of N@N when shows only aired once, or maybe twice a night.... and double takes weren't common.

I absolutely agree.

I was preaching that back in 2002 when Cosby Show came on. But to be honest, I don't blame them for doing doubletakes (at least then) because they didn't seem to have too many 'hit' shows that did good enough for them. Now at this time, it's clear the shows they have on are doing pretty well. I think it's time to end double-takes, at least between 9pm and 1am.

Originally posted by AKA
Probably not. Nick At Nite has changed their demographic.

OK, then is TV Land trying to change their demographic to make it similar to Nick-at-Nite's? What do you think?

Nick-at-Nite is showing more shows that aired in the 90s. TV Land is showing more 80's shows. 50's and 60's shows are getting older each day and have run their course.

Originally posted by Brent88
Nick-at-Nite is showing more shows that aired in the 90s. TV Land is showing more 80's shows. 50's and 60's shows are getting older each day and have run their course.

I don't necessarily agree with LucyFan, and you are partly correct, but honestly, where else are we supposed to watch the classics? I agree the ones on now have long run their course and it would be nice to have a fresh batch of shows (I love I Love Lucy, and others, but it's time for them to rest). But again, TV Land should, imo, be the home to classic TV always, and yes, that might just expand to include early eighties shows, but should it be at the expense of the classics? Nope. (Brent, I'm not accusing you of saying any of this; I'm just venting a little, LOL)

Originally posted by LucyFan
OK, then is TV Land trying to change their demographic to make it similar to Nick-at-Nite's? What do you think?

Its all the same demographic -- classic tv.

N@N has long been used to "phase" shows into TVLand.
Family Ties has just as much right to air on TVLand as I Love Lucy.
They're both classics, and they both were once part of N@N.

Originally posted by TVJunkie101
I don't necessarily agree with LucyFan, and you are partly correct, but honestly, where else are we supposed to watch the classics? I agree the ones on now have long run their course and it would be nice to have a fresh batch of shows (I love I Love Lucy, and others, but it's time for them to rest). But again, TV Land should, imo, be the home to classic TV always, and yes, that might just expand to include early eighties shows, but should it be at the expense of the classics? Nope. (Brent, I'm not accusing you of saying any of this; I'm just venting a little, LOL)

LOL, vent away. :wave:

Originally posted by TVJunkie101
but honestly, where else are we supposed to watch the classics? TV Land should, imo, be the home to classic TV always, and yes, that might just expand to include early eighties shows, but should it be at the expense of the classics? Nope.

TVJunkie101, thank you!!! I have a feeling that you know where I'm coming from unlike the rest.
I've noticed that each year we loose less and less airtime for much older classics (i.e 1950's prior to 1979). Look at this timeline:

1998: Nick at Nite - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

Sept. 2000: Nick at Nite - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

Sept. 2001: Nick at Nite - 1970's, 1980's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

March 2002: Nick at Nite - 1980's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

C.June 2002: Nick at Nite - 1980's, 1990's
TV Land- 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

Jan 2003: Nick at Nite - 1980's, 1990's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

Sept. 2003: Nick at Nite - 1980's, 1990's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

Jan. 2004: Nick at Nite - 1980's, 1990's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's, 1980's

WHAT'S NEXT? Nick at Nite - 1990's, 2000's
TV Land - 1980's, 1990's


Haven't you noticed the trend over the past six years? The modern classics are gradually replacing the original classics one by one and they have already invaded TV Land (the last hope, at least for now, for original classics). What's after TV Land?, NOTHING. At the rate we're going, the original classics won't be around much longer and TV Land & N@N will be filled with modern tv classics.

LucyFan, whats with your intense hatred for anything that aired in the 80s??

Its kind of hypocritical of you seeing that John Ritter is in your avatar and Three's Company aired more in the 80s than in the 70s.


I think its fine that TVLand is airing shows from the 80s.
Its not taking over the network.... its only 3 or 4 hours.
Thats 20 hours left for the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
I think TVLand and N@N have great shows -- now all they need is for someone to come in and reschedule them better.

Originally posted by barwars88
Its kind of hypocritical of you seeing that John Ritter is in your avatar and Three's Company aired more in the 80s than in the 70s.

I consider Three's Company more of a 1970's show because the sitcom was at it's best (or peak) in the 1970's. I have always considered it a 70's show. Besides, it did air with Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley in it's original run and those two shows are clearly 70's shows. Even Three's Company is listed as a 70's show at the Sitcoms Online Board. It primarily listed as a 70's show, not an 80's show.

Originally posted by barwars88
LucyFan, whats with your intense hatred for anything that aired in the 80s??

I think its fine that TVLand is airing shows from the 80s.
Its not taking over the network.... its only 3 or 4 hours.
Thats 20 hours left for the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
I think TVLand and N@N have great shows -- now all they need is for someone to come in and reschedule them better.

I don't have a problem with 80's sitcoms except they need to air where they belong such as Nick at Nite, TBS, ect. I think TV Land should be reserved for shows from 1950's through 1970's like it was originally intended. It's bad enough that N@N has quit airing shows from those eras due to sitcoms from the 1980's and 1990's.
Besides, they are A LOT of 1950's, 1960's, AND 1970's shows that TV Land can air now (which aren't) such as Rhoda, Dragnet, Adam-12, Emergency! Make Room For Daddy, Perry Mason, The Lucy Show, Family Affair, My Three Sons, Mork and Mindy, My Favorite Martian, Mary Tyler Moore, Flipper, Dennis the Menace, The Jeffersons, Phyllis, The Patty Duke Show, Get Smart, Batman, The Adventures of Superman, The Honeymooners, The Fugitive, ect.
I think TV Land has enough on it's plate just to handle three decades. Adding a fourth decade is too much.

But why classify a "classic" based on when it originally aired? A classic's a classic, if it premiered in 1954 or if it premiered in 2004.

Originally posted by LucyFan
1998: Nick at Nite - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's
TV Land - 1950's, 1960's, 1970's

The Wonder Years was airing on Nick At Nite at this point. It aired more in the '90s than it did in the '80s.

Therefore:

1998: Nick at Nite - 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s
TV Land - 1950s, 1960s, 1970s

Originally posted by LucyFan
I don't have a problem with 80's sitcoms except they need to air where they belong such as Nick at Nite, TBS, ect. I think TV Land should be reserved for shows from 1950's through 1970's like it was originally intended. It's bad enough that N@N has quit airing shows from those eras due to sitcoms from the 1980's and 1990's.
Besides, they are A LOT of 1950's, 1960's, AND 1970's shows that TV Land can air now (which aren't) such as Rhoda, Dragnet, Adam-12, Emergency! Perry Mason, The Lucy Show, Family Affair, My Three Sons, Mork and Mindy, My Favorite Martian, Mary Tyler Moore, Flipper, Dennis the Menace, The Jeffersons, Phyllis, ect.
I think TV Land has enough on it's plate to handle three decades, not a fourth. That's too much.

I can't resist...

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1698888

Originally posted by AKA
The Wonder Years was airing on Nick At Nite at this point. It aired more in the '90s than it did in the '80s.

Therefore:

1998: Nick at Nite - 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s
TV Land - 1950s, 1960s, 1970s


The majority of the sitcoms on Nick at Nite in 1998 were from 1950's through 1970's decades. On the other hand, The Wonder Years was set in the 1970's so therefore it fitted in well with the other classic television shows.

Originally posted by Brent88
I can't resist...

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/attachment.php?s=&postid=1698888

I'm not bitchin', just expressing my thoughts and opinions. :)
And the last time I checked, we're entitled to our opinions. ;)

Originally posted by LucyFan
The majority of the sitcoms on Nick at Nite in 1998 were from 1950's through 1970's decades. On the other hand, The Wonder Years was set in the 1970's so therefore it fitted in well with the other classic television shows.

But it ended its run in 1993. Therefore, we all know it can't possibly be a classic!

Egads! It posted before I was done and I didn't even realize it. o.o See below.

Originally posted by barwars88
I think its fine that TVLand is airing shows from the 80s.
Its not taking over the network.... its only 3 or 4 hours.
Thats 20 hours left for the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
I think TVLand and N@N have great shows -- now all they need is for someone to come in and reschedule them better.

I have to agree. TV Land has aired shows from the 1980's and 1990's long before now...MacGyver, The A-Team, Roc, Square Pegs, It's a Living, Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere, among others, have all aired on TV Land in the past. The only difference now is that they're now using sitcoms that have been on Nick-at-Nite relatively recently. I think it's just the natural progression of things -- after all, when TV Land started, their 70's shows were 20+ years old...now shows from the 80's are reaching the 20+ mark.

I have to say though that I personally think that Nick-at-Nite and TV Land have both gone down the tubes. Nick-at-Nite went down the tubes for me in late 2001 when they aired Cheers a lot (I know a lot of people like the show now, but I remember back then on the boards people were up in arms about it -- much like people are about TCS now) and dumped Diff'rent Strokes and The Facts of Life. They started toning down the number of airings of Cheers, but then they started the entire TCS thing. The acquistions since then haven't appealed to me at all.

TV Land reached its peak -- IMO -- in June 2002 when it was airing a ton of rare shows such as Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, The Monkees, The Burns & Allen Show, etc. Since then, though, they've started doing more double takes and recycling the same shows over and over. While I lke TV Land much better than N@N now, I think they should bring in some 'fresh' blood for a change. It's just been the same sitcoms over and over and over and over. Frankly, I'm sick of LITB, Happy Days, Munsters, Andy Griffith, Gunsmoke, I Dream of Jeannie, I Love Lucy -- it's not that they're bad shows, it's just that they air them to death while other shows never get a chance to be rerun. Unlike N@N, though, I think that they can easily fix their problems.

Sorry if I went off on a wild tangent -- I'm not even sure whether any of what I said relates to the topic at all. Oops.

Originally posted by AKA
But it ended its run in 1993. Therefore, we all know it can't possibly be a classic!

I consider it a classic. :D

Originally posted by LucyFan
TVJunkie101, thank you!!! I have a feeling that you know where I'm coming from unlike the rest.
I've noticed that each year we loose less and less airtime for much older classics (i.e 1950's prior to 1979). Look at this timeline:

Haven't you noticed the trend over the past six years? The modern classics are gradually replacing the original classics one by one and they have already invaded TV Land (the last hope, at least for now, for original classics). What's after TV Land?, NOTHING. At the rate we're going, the original classics won't be around much longer and TV Land & N@N will be filled with modern tv classics.

I agree with you; I don't like seeing the classic tv sitcoms disappearing or on less, but TV Land still airs a variety of classic shows. Most of them, IMHO, could use a LONG rest. We need new sitcoms/dramas. I think we could use some Donna Reed, Lucy Show, Mr. Ed, Green Acres, Petticoat Junction, The Jeffersons and others to broaden the spectrum a bit. I for one am tired of endless reruns of Andy Griffith and Leave It to Beaver, no matter how popular they still are. It just seems like we ALWAYS see the SAME shows in syndication over and over and over again. I mean, Gilligan went right from TBS (in fact, it was still ON TBS) to Nick at Nite and then right to TV Land and then right to Hallmark. I'm all for that but when shows move to a new network, I think they need a few years break to garner interest.

Originally posted by TVJunkie101
I agree with you; I don't like seeing the classic tv sitcoms disappearing or on less, but TV Land still airs a variety of classic shows. Most of them, IMHO, could use a LONG rest. We need new sitcoms/dramas. I think we could use some Donna Reed, Lucy Show, Mr. Ed, Green Acres, Petticoat Junction, The Jeffersons and others to broaden the spectrum a bit. I for one am tired of endless reruns of Andy Griffith and Leave It to Beaver, no matter how popular they still are. It just seems like we ALWAYS see the SAME shows in syndication over and over and over again. I mean, Gilligan went right from TBS (in fact, it was still ON TBS) to Nick at Nite and then right to TV Land and then right to Hallmark. I'm all for that but when shows move to a new network, I think they need a few years break to garner interest.

I agree with you to certian extent. I think classic shows that are popular among the viewers should stay on the classic tv network (as long as they can), but not always during the peak hours of the day such as prime-time. For example, The Andy Griffith Show should move from the evening to the morning, thus freeing up time in the evening for less-played or seldom-seen shows. That way it provides those shows to get seen. In short, both TV Land and Nick at Nite have been EXTREMELY dependent on the popular shows, thus rare shows such as Mister Ed hardly have a chance in reruns.

Originally posted by LucyFan
I agree with you to certian extent. I think classic shows that are popular among the viewers should stay on the classic tv network (as long as they can), but not always during the peak hours of the day such as prime-time. For example, The Andy Griffith Show should move from the evening to the morning, thus freeing time in the evening for other less-played shows. The rare or not-so-popular shows should be given a good chance to garn interest of the viewers. In short, both TV Land and Nick at Nite have been EXTREMELY dependent on the popular shows, thus rare shows such as Mister Ed hardly have a chance in reruns.

I absolutely agree with you on that. 100%. I find myself watching TV Land VERY rarely, if at all now. Lifetime gets my viewing for Laverne & Shirley. I just haven't had much interest in TV Land. They could air several more shows (I realize they are expensive) but they just rely waaaay too much on popular shows. Although probably not the best example, look at Charles in Charge on Nick at Nite. Not the best show out there, but it was immediately shoved to 3 am and not even given a chance. It's quite frustrating. I think double takes can work on TV Land, but not Nick at Nite, no way. TV Land needs a "complete, extreme makeover". And Nick at Nite can be salvaged, just stop the double-takes.

Originally posted by TVJunkie101
I absolutely agree with you on that. 100%.
GMTA! :D

I find myself watching TV Land VERY rarely, if at all now. Lifetime gets my viewing for Laverne & Shirley. I just haven't had much interest in TV Land. They could air several more shows (I realize they are expensive) but they just rely waaaay too much on popular shows.
I agree with you, TV Land should air more shows (preferably original classics) because its adds more variety to the network. I think TV Land should reserve Twice As Nice for only shows that have a large amount of episodes such as Bewitched, Happy Days, The Jeffersons, ect.. That way it won't take too long for them to go through the cycle of episodes as opposed to ones that have under 150 episodes or less. For example, drop The Munsters from Twice as Nice and add Happy Days. That would work much smoother.

Although probably not the best example, look at Charles in Charge on Nick at Nite. Not the best show out there, but it was immediately shoved to 3 am and not even given a chance. It's quite frustrating. I think double takes can work on TV Land, but not Nick at Nite, no way. TV Land needs a "complete, extreme makeover".
I know what you mean, TV Land did the same thing with Mister Ed. After only two months, it was bumped down from four to two airings (which were not at the best times) and eventually to one airing at a horrible time. Unfortunitely, it will no longer air starting tomorrow.


And Nick at Nite can be salvaged, just stop the double-takes.
In my eyes, Nick at Nite can not be salvaged, it already has too much damage. TV Land is just beginning . . . it's self-destructiveness.

Originally posted by LucyFan
I don't have a problem with 80's sitcoms except they need to air where they belong such as Nick at Nite, TBS, ect. I think TV Land should be reserved for shows from 1950's through 1970's like it was originally intended. It's bad enough that N@N has quit airing shows from those eras due to sitcoms from the 1980's and 1990's.
Besides, they are A LOT of 1950's, 1960's, AND 1970's shows that TV Land can air now (which aren't) such as Rhoda, Dragnet, Adam-12, Emergency! Make Room For Daddy, Perry Mason, The Lucy Show, Family Affair, My Three Sons, Mork and Mindy, My Favorite Martian, Mary Tyler Moore, Flipper, Dennis the Menace, The Jeffersons, Phyllis, The Patty Duke Show, Get Smart, Batman, The Adventures of Superman, The Honeymooners, The Fugitive, ect.
I think TV Land has enough on it's plate just to handle three decades. Adding a fourth decade is too much.

TV Land would have to have the contracts for these shows and most importantly, good ratings to keep these shows on. MOST of the shows listed above would not grab any ratings at all. The only ones that would have a prayer of making it are: Rhoda, Family Affair, My Three Sons, Mary Tyler Moore, and the Jeffersons. MOST of these shows (in fact almost all of them) have been on TV Land at some point in TV Land's history and have been taken off for whatever reason. And I am sure that some will come back eventually.

It is the natural progression of time that more and more shows are going to become classics and go to TV Land. By 2015, probably shows in the 90s will be on TV Land and considered classics. And shows in the 2000s will be on N@N. That is just the way it is. I don't consider this bad at all. You can't fight against time.

And for the 7798092934302 time...1 hour of 80s shows on TV Land is hardly an attack on other classic television.

If N@N stopped the double takes, and the repeats, they could air 18 different shows per night. You could have The Cosby Show, Cheers, Wings, Full House, Who's the Boss, Roseanne, plus 12 other shows and then everyone would be happy.

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Originally posted by jpnoyes
If N@N stopped the double takes, and the repeats, they could air 18 different shows per night. You could have The Cosby Show, Cheers, Wings, Full House, Who's the Boss, Roseanne, plus 12 other shows and then everyone would be happy.

Exactly.

I think EVERYONE on these boards agrees that DoubleTakes are killing both N@N and TVLand.

Originally posted by barwars88
Exactly.

I think EVERYONE on these boards agrees that DoubleTakes are killing both N@N and TVLand.

YES!!!!

Originally posted by LucyFan
WHAT'S NEXT? Nick at Nite - 1990's, 2000's
TV Land - 1980's, 1990's

Haven't you noticed the trend over the past six years? The modern classics are gradually replacing the original classics one by one and they have already invaded TV Land (the last hope, at least for now, for original classics). What's after TV Land?, NOTHING. At the rate we're going, the original classics won't be around much longer and TV Land & N@N will be filled with modern tv classics.

You're being just a LITTLE mellowdramatic don't you think?
Airing two shows that premired in 1982, isn't going to turn TVLand into what you call a "modern" tv classic network. It's JUST one hour, come on say it with us now, one hour. TVLand devotes twenty three hours a day to old tv shows. I could understand, your endless anger, if TVLand suddently started airing twenty three hours of say TCS, but that isn't the case. So, as "bad" as you think TVLand is, believe me it could be A LOT worse.

Originally posted by Jen1989
You're being just a LITTLE mellowdramatic don't you think?
Airing two shows that premired in 1982, isn't going to turn TVLand into what you call a "modern" tv classic network. It's JUST one hour, come on say it with us now, one hour. TVLand devotes twenty three hours a day to old tv shows. I could understand, your endless anger, if TVLand suddently started airing twenty three hours of say TCS, but that isn't the case. So, as "bad" as you think TVLand is, believe me it could be A LOT worse.

Dont get me wrong, I agree with you 100% completely.
But its up to a bigtime 2 hours now!!

But im sure LucyFan has already harassed you with that fact.

Time for me to chime in...

The way I see it is this: When NAN premeired in 1985, they were airing shows from 20 years ago: "Donna Reed" and "Dennis the Menace," not to mention shows from between 20-25 years ago, like "Route 66." In 1989, they started airing "Bewitched," which wasn't even cancelled for 20 years yet. I think the progression of TVLand should mirror the progression of NAN, but at a much slower pace. When NAN added "Three's Company" in 2000, it was 17 years old. "Family Ties" was 20 years old when it joined NAN, and so was "Cheers." The difference is, that FT and CHRS extended further into the 1980s, therefore they still seem new. FT, imo, belongs on TVLand. They've aired "Perfect Strangers" and no one seemed to have a problem with that, but PS began four years after FT did.

I think the main goal of TVLand should be to be able to cram all types of shows from the 50s through the 80s on the schedule, but being able to have them all mixed together.

I agree totally with Sean. I'm tired of seeing certain shows that have been on TVLand and/or NAN for the last 10 years. Many of TVLand's stars did equally enjoyable shows, such as "The Lucy Show," "Car 54, Where Are You?," and "Family." And then there are shows that ran for a long time, with high ratings, but are no where in sight. "Alice," "One Day at a Time," "My Three Sons," "Petticoat Junction," "The Bob Newhart Show," "Rhoda," "The Donna Reed Show," and others all ran for 5 seasons or more, but aren't airing ANYWHERE. Whereas, "The Munsters" and "Gilligan's Island" both made less than 100 episodes but are airing on cable TV currently, and have been for a long time. I like both shows, and I like a lot of the overplayed TVL shows, but I think it is high time to give them all a break, and replace them with shows that are similar or at least from the same time period. Take away "The Andy Griffith Show" and air "Petticoat Junction." Take away "Leave it to Beaver" and air "Dennis the Menace." Take away "Happy Days" and air "Mork and Mindy." Take away "I Love Lucy" and air "The Lucy Show." Take away "The Waltons" and air "Family." Take away "All in the Family" and air "One Day at a Time." Some shows just need to be somewhere so that fans can enjoy them and new fans can be introduced to them.

"Alice" ran for 9 seasons, made 202 episodes, was in the top 30 for seven seasons, in the top 10 for four seasons, but hasn't been aired on ANY station in the ENTIRE United States since January 2000. This show would fit PERFECTLY on TVLand! PERFECTLY! 202 episodes is enough for two 48-hour marathons with not one episode airing twice! Come on TVLand! Get up off your backside and do something about this!

"One Day at a Time"!! also ran for 9 seasons! 209 episodes! Same exact case I'm pleading with "Alice," except ODAAT hasn't been seen since the late 90s.

My point is, it is time to give some shows 5 years rests and let other shows have the spotlight.

And BTW LucyFan, that "But the Wonder Years was set in the 70s so..." crap is NOT going to work. IT PREMEIRED IN 1988 AND WENT OFF IN 1993! That's what matters! If we used your reasoning, TVLand could air "American Dreams" every night!

Originally posted by JT
"Alice" ran for 9 seasons, made 202 episodes, was in the top 30 for seven seasons, in the top 10 for four seasons, but hasn't been aired on ANY station in the ENTIRE United States since January 2000.

JT, ISTR Alice airing on TNN in late April 2000.

Now that I think about it, you're right. It was January 2001 when it went off. I remember back then, because TNN started airing "Newhart," "Taxi," "WKRP in Cincinnatti," and I think "The Wonder Years" around that time. Wow, TNN used to be one helluva channel...