Instead of making topic, after topic, after topic.... put all news and/or discussion about the finale here.

I saw a preview before last week's episode for the finale.... Martin and Ronee get married, Daphne gives birth -- and to bring it all together -- Niles will pass out at LEAST 1 more time.

This will be very much appreciated by myself and other UK Frasier fans who won't see the finale until a month after the rest of you and will be avoiding any finale discussion like the plague until we see it!

:)

my stupid band teacher (who loves frasier) thinks that frasier will get a syndication deal in chicago and move there with charlotte :( god i hope he's wrong! charlotte's okay but i just don't think she's "the one" and i definately don't want him moving to chicago! :(

Originally posted by Teddy02
my stupid band teacher (who loves frasier) thinks that frasier will get a syndication deal in chicago and move there with charlotte :( god i hope he's wrong! charlotte's okay but i just don't think she's "the one" and i definately don't want him moving to chicago! :(

I don't know! I feel sooooooo confused about all this. I would HATE for Frasier to end up alone, but I don't want him to move, either. AND Detour didn't help at all. Charlotte's cute, they're funny together, and I could see it going somewhere over a period of time. This ep didn't develop the relationship at all. That puts A LOT of pressure on Love, Maybe to get them to a point where fans will be pulling for the relationship. They'd better pull it off, or IMO an incredible run will end w/ an incredible disappointment.:confused:

Love, Maybe = NO MORE.

The final episode before the finale is now called "Crock Tales", and from what Ive read -- has NOTHING to do with Charlotte.

Read my post about the press release... :p

Commentary: A fond adieu to 'Frasier'
Remembering a show for the ages
By Todd Leopold
CNN
Tuesday, May 4, 2004 Posted: 11:22 AM EDT (1522 GMT)



Kelsey Grammer has played Frasier Crane for 20 years: nine seasons on "Cheers" and 11 on his own show.




(CNN) -- There's an old theater saying: Dying is easy, comedy is hard.

And if comedy is hard, farce is almost impossible. The whole form is like a precisely wrought handmade clock; it depends on timing, rhythm and that unteachable concept called chemistry.

Farce is often dismissed as slapstick and door slams, but ask any actor: It's hard work to make such a soufflé.

"Frasier" did farce better than any show on the air. It may have done farce better than any show in TV history. All its parts -- the writing, acting, directing -- were lovingly assembled to make comedy. Laugh-out-loud, how-did-they-do-that, you-can't-see-the-parts-move comedy.

But put all those parts together and you still may not get a classic. Farce also requires warmth, love, a willingness to sympathize with a character -- even as his balloon is being pricked or he's falling down the stairs.

And "Frasier" had that in abundance. The warmth -- and the pratfalls.

The sum of the parts
Think about most sitcoms. They're machines -- not so much about characters and dialogue as the rat-a-tat-tat of wisecracks and jokes. You could write many of these shows in your sleep, and rumor has it that some are.

"Frasier," however, was different. Its characters were three-dimensional. Its scenes ran longer (deliberately, said the producers, in an attempt to short-circuit short attention spans) and had a different rhythm than those of other sitcoms.

The show had perfect casting: Kelsey Grammer as Frasier Crane, David Hyde Pierce as his fussy brother Niles, old pro John Mahoney as father Martin Crane, effervescent Jane Leeves as Daphne Moon, sharp-tongued Peri Gilpin as co-worker Roz Doyle.

And of course, "Frasier" had terrific writing, led by Joe Keenan, Christopher and David Lloyd, Peter Casey and the late David Angell; and directing, particularly James Burrows and David Lee.

But with all that, when I think about classic moments from the series, I don't think of clever lines or great camera angles. I think about the sum of the parts.

I think of a routine in which the cast was in Frasier's kitchen, getting ready for a party, and moved food items from one side to another with the goofy precision of a Rube Goldberg device.

I think of the wonderfully escalating tension that formed when the Crane brothers took over a restaurant, or shared a ski lodge, or simply battled for attention.

I remember a delicate scene in which Niles danced with Daphne, long before the two got married.

And I think of line deliveries: Grammer's wonderful indignation, Pierce's exasperated fussiness, Mahoney and Leeves and Gilpin and the always wonderful supporting actors and guest stars.

Farewell to a true TV friend
"Frasier" wasn't a groundbreaking show.

It was a successful spinoff (from "Cheers"), but there had been successful spinoffs before.

It was a combination workplace and family comedy, but there had been shows that combined workplace and family comedies before.


Frasier's ex-wife Lilith, played by Bebe Neuwirth, shows up periodically.
It had its faults -- some say it jumped the shark when Niles and Daphne got married -- and, as with any long-running show, it could get tiresome sometimes.

But, with all that, it shouldn't go out ignored.

Over the past few weeks, my mailbox at work has been filled with notes from publicists and media types telling me about events related to the "Friends" finale. I've seen "Friends" DVD packages at stores, ideas for "Friends" finale parties, essays on why "Friends" matters and how NBC will cope without Le Six Amis. Nothing about "Frasier."

I've never understood all the frenzy about "Friends." If it's been groundbreaking, it's for what it represents -- perhaps the first youthful ensemble show to become a huge hit -- than what it is, which is a comedy machine that filled the gap left by "Seinfeld" and happened to hit the zeitgeist jackpot.

In 10 years, there will be another hip and trendy show, and when it goes off the air, much ink will be spilled pondering what it all meant.

But when it comes time to put together an all-time list, trendiness takes a back seat to quality. In that regard, "Frasier" was a show for the ages.

Nice article.

Come on Frasier never stays in love. This is just another girl as usual. :p Im happy for Martin. :love: :D

Again I'm leaving some space for SPOILERS! (Read: Don't look any further Tim ;))


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From this week's People, which includes a tribute to Frasier:
"Niles and Daphne have a baby, Martin heads to the altar w/ lounge singer Ronnie--and maybe Frasier finds love? Just don't expect a cameo from Bebe Neuwirth, who played Frasier's uptight ex, Lilith (which btw they spelled wrong), a decision that sparked some debate in the Grammer household. 'My wife is one of those people who thinks they should get back together,' he says."

So if, as posted on Spoilerfix, he does call Lilith, it seems that we'll only get his side of the convo. I'm still hoping that she is at the very least mentioned. Lilith deserves that much--Oh, gosh, I'm SUCH a Frith. . .:rolleyes: ;)

I vote that Kelsey listens to his wife.;)

Originally posted by BebeSternin
I vote that Kelsey listens to his wife.;)

Most definitely--she sounds like an intelligent and insightful woman! ;)

Originally posted by Ria
Most definitely--she sounds like an intelligent and insightful woman! ;)

Im still going strong -- i didnt read it.

But let me guess.... his wife wants Frasier and Lilith to remarry but he doesnt??

Originally posted by barwars88
Im still going strong -- i didnt read it.

But let me guess.... his wife wants Frasier and Lilith to remarry but he doesnt??


Wow!! You're psychic! ;) Or maybe it's that all of us reasonable people know what should happen in the end, and that we'll be denied! :(

Originally posted by Ria
Wow!! You're psychic! ;) Or maybe it's that all of us reasonable people know what should happen in the end, and that we'll be denied! :(

i was hoping i was wrong....

but still.... Lilith HAS to be in the finale somehow.


The other night i had an idea for how the finale should start....

the scene starts in Cheers, and theres a whole conversation between Sam, Carla, Woody, Norm and Cliff about Frasier's dad getting married and how they're offended that they werent invited.

Then someone makes a quick joke, and the Cheers themesong is about to start.

then the screen goes black (in the typical Frasier style)
and says "Sorry", fades to black, fade in the words -- "Wrong Show"

In the current edition of TV Guide, which slobbers all over "Friends, " there's an ad for a cookie company that says, "Frasier's Favorites" and lists seven multiple choice questions to test your knowledge of Frasier Crane.

It's sad. Even knowing that TV Guide will probably ramp up the adjectives again next week for the May 13 finale of "Frasier," the ad is still sad. Why? Because "Frasier" remains the sitcom that time and hype forgot.

It's easy, in fact, to forget that this comedy, known for its sterling wit and smart banter, dominated the Emmys in one glorious stretch, as the best comedy on television in -- look at the numbers and weep -- 1994, '95, '96, '97 and '98. "Frasier" was a powerhouse and is now, well, nearly forgotten before it's gone.

How did this happen? A cynic might say there were simply fewer cast members than "Friends" to misappropriate and abuse for a cheap joke. The whole Niles and Daphne thing was a death knell and "Frasier" was also guilty of getting too serious for its own comedic good.

But the downhill slide of "Frasier" is really much more simple to explain: In the midst of being taken for granted -- five straight years of being the best comedy on TV -- it started to slide, lost its way and then was off the radar before it could really scramble and recover.

In fairness, "Frasier" became less funny, not unfunny. And if you want to talk about legacy, this much should be understood: "Frasier" was, in its prime, funnier than "Friends" ever was in its prime. "Friends" may ultimately have had more quality years, and it was unfairly ignored at the Emmys, but "Frasier" was, quite frankly, the better show.

The writing was stinging and sharp, the acting -- Kelsey Grammer's and David Hyde Pierce's in particular -- was a mixture of brilliant timing and superb physicality, from facial gestures to pratfalls. In the best years, you could cut yourself on a "Frasier" punch line.

What hurt the show, ultimately, was a swift renunciation by its audience of the same kind of in-breeding that seemed to help, not hinder, "Friends." And expectations were higher for "Frasier," which led probably to a quicker dismissal and definitely to a slower acknowledgement of any return to form.

"Frasier" did get much better this year. But life is gray, not black and white. Last season, there were many, many good episodes. In the midst of the so-called creative resurgence this year, there have been missteps. What are you going to do?

Conventional wisdom is that people got tired of "Frasier," certainly faster than they did with "Friends." And maybe "Frasier" didn't have as many cheap ratings tricks to pull out of a hat as its NBC stablemate. But the network did little to help stem the "Frasier" slide. It was clear two seasons ago that "Friends" was a priority, as were assorted other (now failed) launchings of new series. Somewhere, support for "Frasier" waned and nothing this season has indicated that NBC really cares that one of its brightest gems is fading out.

But why ponder the negative? "Frasier" may be Michael Jordan in his last, ill-fated swan song, but at least it was, for five consecutive seasons, positively Jordanian. Not the finish, nor the fanfare one might have hoped for such an accomplished series, but you can bet that history will be kinder to the content of "Frasier" than many other more popular series now getting all the glory

Originally posted by barwars88
i was hoping i was wrong....

but still.... Lilith HAS to be in the finale somehow.


The other night i had an idea for how the finale should start....

the scene starts in Cheers, and theres a whole conversation between Sam, Carla, Woody, Norm and Cliff about Frasier's dad getting married and how they're offended that they werent invited.

Then someone makes a quick joke, and the Cheers themesong is about to start.

then the screen goes black (in the typical Frasier style)
and says "Sorry", fades to black, fade in the words -- "Wrong Show"

That would be fun. Heh. They should have been invited. So should Lilith...

4 f*cking days till the end of era.
the end of a legend.
the end of a legacy.


LONG LIVE FRASIER CRANE!!

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20040511/D82GIHJ01.html

Cheers to 'Frasier,' Ending an 11-Year Run

LOS ANGELES (AP) - When the blue-collar barroom comedy "Cheers" ended its run in 1993, it managed the neat trick of turning beer into champagne.

"Frasier," the "Cheers" spinoff about psychiatrist Frasier Crane and his dysfunctional family, became its own vintage blend of sparkling wit and dependably funny highbrow neuroses.

The NBC comedy's last episode airs Thursday, closing a remarkable 22-year chapter in television history in which it matched the 11-season run of "Cheers" and became one of TV's most successful spinoffs.

Only the prime-time soap opera "Knots Landing," derived from "Dallas," lasted longer (14 seasons) - and it certainly couldn't boast of the record 31 Emmys, including five consecutive best comedy series awards, bestowed on "Frasier."

It's an accomplishment a demanding sort like Dr. Crane would relish. Series star Kelsey Grammer certainly does. He believes "Frasier," with David Hyde Pierce as Frasier's brother and partner-in-repartee Niles, raised the TV bar.

"I'm proud of it. I have something I can look to, point out and say, 'Well, I did that,'" said Grammer. "There is an audience for these guys. We proved that. Most of America, frankly, is much smarter than television assumes they are."

Created by "Cheers" alumni David Angell, Peter Casey and David Lee, "Frasier" shoved Dr. Crane out of an unhappy marriage, off his Boston barstool and into a Seattle radio job as host of an advice show.

"I cannot call 'Frasier' a spinoff," said Pierce. "I know it is, but it seems to me that, from the beginning, it so stood on its own."

The series debuted Sept. 16, 1993. Effete, erudite Frasier's style was matched by fellow shrink Niles but clashed with dad Martin (John Mahoney), a down-to-earth, disabled policeman who ended up bunking with Frasier.

Others in the ensemble cast included Jane Leeves as Daphne, Martin's caregiver and the object of Niles' yearning and Peri Gilpin as Frasier's sassy producer.

There was a succession of squeezes for Frasier.

The latest flame is Charlotte, played by Laura Linney, who features prominently in the two-hour finale, which includes a retrospective at 8 p.m. EDT. Now-married Niles and Daphne, awaiting the birth of their baby, and Martin and fiancee Ronee (Wendie Malick) share the spotlight.

Why did viewers take to a spinoff in which an intellectual snob went from one of the "Cheers" barflies to the hero?

"He wasn't a cold intellectual," said co-creator Casey. "I can't say he never lorded it over people, because there were times that he did. But deep inside he was a good guy and his motive were usually pretty good."

Pierce credits Grammer's ability to make his character "continually interesting and surprising." Grammer won three best-actor Emmys for the role; Pierce received three supporting-actor Emmys.

Grammer's 20 combined years as Frasier Crane (he was introduced on "Cheers" in 1984, two years after the show began) puts him in the league of James Arness and his Marshal Matt Dillon on "Gunsmoke" (1955-75).

"Frasier is the most delightful character to play," Grammer said. "He has a rich emotional life, he has quirks that make him fun to play ... That's the adventure of a lifetime for any actor."

Even during periods in which critics complained the series was "arguably hitting some slumps, I always found him fascinating," he said.

Although the show's ratings flagged in recent seasons and never rivaled those of "Cheers," which aired during a time of less cable competition for networks, it was a key player for NBC.

"During the '90s, NBC captured the most desirable demos on television by appealing to young, urban, upscale viewers, the audience advertisers adore, with smart shows like 'Frasier,'" said Tim Brooks, co-author of "The Complete Directory to Prime Time Network and Cable TV Shows."

While changing the setting and dynamic of "Cheers,""Frasier" managed to retain those coveted viewers.

"There's precious little of its stature for that audience on television right now," said Brooks.

With audiences favoring reality shows such as "The Apprentice" and "American Idol," and with long-running sitcoms "Frasier,""Friends" and "Sex in the City" gone, the state of TV comedy is at a low.

Casey suggests a variety of reasons, including too-green sitcom producers, but singles out one.

"My big complaint is that networks tend not to be patient enough to let a show find an audience," he said. "They expect a show to come out of the gate firing, and it doesn't happen. It certainly didn't in the case of 'Cheers.' They had a horrible first season, in terms of ratings, but they lasted 11 years, didn't they?"

"Frasier" is ending at the right time, said its stars and producers. (Casey noted the series stands as the final credit for Angell, who along with his wife died in one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center.)

"I always wanted to do 11 years, and we did 11," said Grammer. "I've never been arrogant, I've just been hopeful."

There's no expectation that "Frasier" will draw the 80.4 million viewers who tuned in for the last "Cheers," making it the second-most watched TV series finale ever, or even the 50 million-plus who watched last week's finale of "Friends." ("M-A-S-H" was seen by 105 million viewers.)

"Frasier" is also lagging behind among advertisers, who paid up to $2 million for 30-second spots on the last "Friends" but reportedly are getting time on "Frasier" for up to $800,000 per half-minute.

But those who are part of "Frasier" say it's going out in style.

"I feel the producers have been able to bring the whole series, for 11 years, to a really sterling conclusion," said Pierce.

"I'm very proud of that last episode," said Casey. "No matter how good the show, they always seem to be waiting in the bulrushes on that final episode. And I just don't see how they're going to get us."

If he in fact follows Charlotte to Chicago, I'd like to know how in the heck they are going to explain why he would leave a successful radio show in Seattle behind.

Originally posted by Brian Damage
If he in fact follows Charlotte to Chicago, I'd like to know how in the heck they are going to explain why he would leave a successful radio show in Seattle behind.

They're being pretty "hinty" (for lack of a better word) in the commercials. For example, Niles telling Frasier that he'll miss going to coffee w/ him. It seems like a pretty leading comment and I was surprised they'd let on anything.

Originally posted by Brian Damage
If he in fact follows Charlotte to Chicago, I'd like to know how in the heck they are going to explain why he would leave a successful radio show in Seattle behind.

I think Frasier will definately be leaving Seattle, and will also be leaving KACL -- why?? I dont know.
But I think Bebe mucks it up for him....
just a hunch!!




LESS THAN 5 HOURS!!

Am I the only one whe is a little pissed that the preview of the final episode reveals the sex of Niles and Daphne's baby?

Originally posted by TJL
Am I the only one whe is a little pissed that the preview of the final episode reveals the sex of Niles and Daphne's baby?

I am.... but dont say what it is.... I hope I can still be suprised during the finale, I havent seen any previews that tell what sex it is.

Did anyone catch "Live With Regis And Kelly" this morning?
Kelsey, David, Jane and Peri were on talking about the finale.
Apparently, each of them kept some souveniers from the set.
Jane kept the engagement and wedding rings
Peri opted for her radio headphones
Kelsey bought the piano, which had been autographed by the cast and was going to be auctioned off by Steinway, but Kelsey decided to buy it himself.

FAREWELL, FRASIER!

Thanks for all the laughs. I have loved every minute of it, although I still wish Frasier and Roz would have hooked up!!

I will seriously miss this show.

Lisa

damn, i can't believe it's over. but they ended it well.

anyone know why the showed those celeb. pictures during the ending credits?

I was diappointed with the finale. When I saw the scene with Frasier talking to Lillith, I thought for sure they were going to get back together. On the opening shot I was hoping he was heading back to Boston. Did anyone else want him to go back to Cheers?

Im Not a regular Frasier viewer, But i have watched it a few times and decided to watch the finale.

I Thought it was really good, Had alot of funny and sad moments. Saddest part was when they were moving Martin's Chair.

Originally posted by Nirvana
anyone know why the showed those celeb. pictures during the ending credits?

I'd like to know that too. I thought maybe they were going to be people who had died, when they first had "THANKS FOR CALLING" but I think everyone shown is still alive.

Anyhoo, I realize this probably isn't what a lot of you want to hear, but I think the series finale for Friends was better than the finale for Frasier. I'm not saying that the finale for Frasier was bad, no, no, it was fantastic, I liked it and laughed out loud. But all in all I think Friends had better closure. I was rather disappointed about the way Frasier's "great love" or whatever ended. It just did. Just like that. And then he left. They jammed what, 8-10 days into this one 65 minute episode?

Feel free to disagree. It was a good episode, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed it.

I liked it a lot.
Not my favorite episode.... but still good.

ONE word changed the entire feel of the episode, by having the plane go to Chicago you had a feeling of what was going to happen next.

And it all makes sense, if Kelsey DOES decide to do a spinoff, it fits perfectly with the rumors of Laura Linney getting a sitcom of her own.
Put them together -- it would be great.

Now what would have made the finale twice as good, wouldve been if they said "Boston" instead of "Chicago"

This was actually the first episode I've ever watched, but being familiar with the storyline, I was able to jump right in.

Wonderful finale. It was better than Friends last Thursday as far as unpredictability goes. Great stuff. I'm just sorry I never watched the show in the past.

Originally posted by barwars88
Now what would have made the finale twice as good, wouldve been if they said "Boston" instead of "Chicago"

Yes, that would have been really interesting but Frasier seemed to want to move forward. In some ways, Boston would have been construed as living in the past. Something to think about anyway. :)

Lisa

The Thanks For Calling was for the real famous faces behind some of those calls we hear Fraiser taking usually at the beginning of the show. If you watch the credits after every show you will see the name of the celeb who was on the phone in that episode.

Originally posted by BensonFan
Yes, that would have been really interesting but Frasier seemed to want to move forward. In some ways, Boston would have been construed as living in the past. Something to think about anyway. :)

Lisa

If only "Newhart" didn't end with Dick Louden waking up to find himself Bob Hartley from "The Bob Newhart Show." "Frasier" could of had this ending:

Frasier could have fallen asleep in the last scene, then Sam Malone would wake him up. Frasier looks around to find himself in Cheers with the rest of the gang; Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody, Rebecca and Lilith. Of course, Kelsey would have to wear a fake beard to look like he did in the last season of "Cheers".

Norm would say "You've been out for a while now."

Frasier: I'll say. It seems like 11 years.

Norm: Actually more like an hour, or so.

Frasier: It's 1993 ... not 2004! Lilith, I'm divorcing you and moving to Seattle where I'll get my own radio show.

Norm: Just please shave off that beard first.

(Frasier gets up and walks out of the bar and into syndication where he can relive the series over and over again.)

Of course, it's best that that didn't happen. It's just a though I had and thought I'd share it with you.

I loved it! A good, fitting it. I laughed, I cried. Glad to see some familiar faces, including Bebe, Simon, and Gil. Robbie Coltrane was the funniest of all of Daphne's brothers! The last several scenes had me reaching for the tissue box. I thought the very last scene was appropriate. Frasier heading off into true love and new horizons. I just hope we don't see these horizons in a spin-off. This was the way to end. And Continuity Alert! Correct me if I'm wrong, but the guy who came to get the chair was the exact same guy who brought the chair into the apartment in the Pilot. I thought that was a nice touch. Overall, a great farewell to an amazing legacy. Goodbye Dr. Crane!:wave: :(

I thought it was fantastic, great episode and I felt satisfied. And I agree with Tim, if Kelsey did another spinoff, it was set up perfectly by this episode.

Just a random thought, but does anybody else find it weird that this is what Kelsey always envisioned the finale to be since the beginning of the show?

I told you Charlotte's the one!

Frasier has a new job in San Francsico, and he goes to Chicago to get the one thing he still lacks. A classy ending.

And I'm glad someone gave Jennifer Beals some badly needed work. :)

A great finale.
It wrapped things up nicely, and the little plot twist at the end was great. I loved how they set things up at the beginning; Charlotte left early - perhaps with all the things going on; the wedding, the birth of Nile's and Daphne's baby, and Frasier's new career in San Fancisco, you thought that he was going to move on and begin a new life, but no! He went back for the girl. Very sweet. The opening scene was awsome - Frasier meets a beautiful psychiatrist (Jennifer Beals) on a plane; is this a new beginning for Frasier? A great setup that led to an even better twist in the end.

Overall, it was a wonderful final episode that kept you guessing. Even if they decide not to do another series with Frasier and his new lady love, it was a satisfying ending.

My hat is off to this fantastic show. My roomate and I drank many a toast to "Frasier" tonight.
I only hope that someday I can produce a show of equal brilliance and quality.

;)

I liked the ending....It took the viewer by surprise, but not in a wild, bizarre "Newhart" or "St. Elsewhere" sort of way. The finale was in keeping with the best "Frasier" episodes....funny, well-written, well-acted and with a LOT of class! The series really left with dignity.

I am actually surprised by how much I liked it. I LOVED the way they dealt with Charlotte. Having her leave in the beginning was a stroke of genius IMO because of the relatively minor role she's occupied in the show thus far. Frasier was able to spend the last touching scene with Martin, Niles, Daphne, and Roz and that's exactly how it should have ended. But by having him land in Chicago (which really pleasantly surprised me), we know at least that he's not alone. Like Kelsey said in almost every interview leading up to the finale--it was an incredibly hopeful ending. Now I can envision the ending I want for Frasier and Charlotte (with a more developed plot line ;) ), or maybe I'll be able to see it in the next chapter (show) of the Frasier saga.:)

Originally posted by TVAdam
If only "Newhart" didn't end with Dick Louden waking up to find himself Bob Hartley from "The Bob Newhart Show." "Frasier" could of had this ending:

Frasier could have fallen asleep in the last scene, then Sam Malone would wake him up. Frasier looks around to find himself in Cheers with the rest of the gang; Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody, Rebecca and Lilith. Of course, Kelsey would have to wear a fake beard to look like he did in the last season of "Cheers".

Norm would say "You've been out for a while now."

Frasier: I'll say. It seems like 11 years.

Norm: Actually more like an hour, or so.

Frasier: It's 1993 ... not 2004! Lilith, I'm divorcing you and moving to Seattle where I'll get my own radio show.

Norm: Just please shave off that beard first.

(Frasier gets up and walks out of the bar and into syndication where he can relive the series over and over again.)

Of course, it's best that that didn't happen. It's just a though I had and thought I'd share it with you.

Interesting thought but I'm so glad they didn't go that route. Too many great things happened (Niles & Daphne, Frasier becoming close with his dad, etc) for it to all be a dream. That would have been way too disappointing. :(

Creative though..I'll give you that! :)

Lisa

Frasier's finale had a 16.5/25, about 25.4 million viewers. I think if the show would have ended 2-3 seasons ago, it could have had a much better rating.

Anyway here are the numbers for the top two shows in each hour:

8PM:
Frasier Special 11.7/19 (5.7/19 viewers 18-49)
Survivor: America's Tribal Council 11.5/19 (7.2/22 viewers 18-49)
(More housholds watched the Frasier retrospective that hour, however Survivor had more viewers with 18.95 million to Frasier special's 17.66 million)

9PM:
Frasier Series Finale 16.5/25 (25.44 million viewers; 9.9/25 for viewers 18-49)
CSI 14.1/22 (22.46 million viewers; 8.2/20 for viewers 18-49)
(Despite the Frasier series finale, CSI was still a close second.)

10PM:
ER 15.8/25 (24 million viewers; #1 for the night among viewers 18-49 with a 11.2/28)
Without a Trace 11.7/19 (5.8/15 for viewers 18-49)

Originally posted by Steve M.
I'm glad someone gave Jennifer Beals some badly needed work. :) I'm guessing you don't get Showtime... :)



As for the finale, it ended far better than I'd expected it to, although the chaotic wedding bit was a little tedious for me. I liked the way that baby Crane didn't make a typical TV entry into the world, and the scene with Niles and the monkey was perfect. I'm guessing the writers named the baby David as a tribute to the late David Angell. If so, it was a sweet way to remember him.

I'm glad that we don't know how things turned out with Charlotte, but I'm hoping it's not merely a device by which to set up a possible spin-off. I hope that Frasier truly has left the building. :)

Originally posted by Pentimento
I'm glad that we don't know how things turned out with Charlotte, but I'm hoping it's not merely a device by which to set up a possible spin-off.

I know....all I can think of is John Ritter's terrible "Three's A Crowd" series!

Originally posted by Pentimento
. I'm guessing the writers named the baby David as a tribute to the late David Angell. If so, it was a sweet way to remember him.

I just thought they named it David after Niles' real name--David Hyde Pierce! :)

But you may be right; I didn't even think of that.

I thought the finale was good. The only thing I didn't like that much were all the wedding scenes, they seemed very lame to me. I do like how Frasier decided to take a plane to Chicago at the end. I thought it was a nice ending. I really hope there isn't a spinoff. I think I'd just like to imagine Frasier and Charlotte resuming their relationship and having things go right for Frasier for once in the love department.

I'm surprised we didn't have one final appearence by Daphne's Mother.
I forgot what happened to her, did she go back to England?

Originally posted by Pentimento
I'm guessing the writers named the baby David as a tribute to the late David Angell. If so, it was a sweet way to remember him.



Agreed. It was a nice gesture.

All I have to say is...what happened to Eddie? I found it to be quite odd that the vet took him in the back, returned with the ring, and we never saw Eddie again. Everybody left the vet's office and left him there...I kept waiting for him to show up again.

Originally posted by ERFan
All I have to say is...what happened to Eddie? I found it to be quite odd that the vet took him in the back, returned with the ring, and we never saw Eddie again. Everybody left the vet's office and left him there...I kept waiting for him to show up again.

good point! everyone just forgot about him. anyway, as for the finale it was absolutely perfect in my opinion. i knew that instead of san fransisco he would go to chicago and i'm glad he did. as much as i didn't like the way charlotte was just shoved into his life and made a huge deal of, she was likeable and perfect for him. an amazing ending to a truly amazing show :)

Originally posted by Pentimento
I'm guessing you don't get Showtime... :)


No, I don't, but thanks for reminding me about Jennifer Beals's Showtime series; I completely forgot about it! :eek:

Originally posted by Pentimento
As for the finale, it ended far better than I'd expected it to, although the chaotic wedding bit was a little tedious for me. I liked the way that baby Crane didn't make a typical TV entry into the world, and the scene with Niles and the monkey was perfect. I'm guessing the writers named the baby David as a tribute to the late David Angell. If so, it was a sweet way to remember him.

I'm glad that we don't know how things turned out with Charlotte, but I'm hoping it's not merely a device by which to set up a possible spin-off. I hope that Frasier truly has left the building. :)

It probably was a tribute to David Angell. Kelsey Grammer always regreeted that they didn't come up with a better way to remember him after 9/11/01, and the U.S. flag episode with Brian Stokes Mitchell apparently went over many viewers' heads. As for how things turned out with Charlotte, I'd like to think he wooed her to come to San Francisco with him and they started a life together. Call me a hopeless romantic! :lol:

I thought it was good, if predictable.

I was angry at first that there weren't any Cheers guest stars, but the more I think about it, I'm glad. Frasier is Frasier and Cheers is Cheers. Frasier started as its own show, and it went out the same way.

Originally posted by TVAdam
If only "Newhart" didn't end with Dick Louden waking up to find himself Bob Hartley from "The Bob Newhart Show." "Frasier" could of had this ending:

Frasier could have fallen asleep in the last scene, then Sam Malone would wake him up. Frasier looks around to find himself in Cheers with the rest of the gang; Norm, Cliff, Carla, Woody, Rebecca and Lilith. Of course, Kelsey would have to wear a fake beard to look like he did in the last season of "Cheers".

Norm would say "You've been out for a while now."

Frasier: I'll say. It seems like 11 years.

Norm: Actually more like an hour, or so.

Frasier: It's 1993 ... not 2004! Lilith, I'm divorcing you and moving to Seattle where I'll get my own radio show.

Norm: Just please shave off that beard first.

(Frasier gets up and walks out of the bar and into syndication where he can relive the series over and over again.)

Of course, it's best that that didn't happen. It's just a though I had and thought I'd share it with you.

Whoo. I had the same crazy thought.

Originally posted by BensonFan
I just thought they named it David after Niles' real name--David Hyde Pierce! :)

By the way, David Hyde Pierce is from Saratoga Springs, New York. So is author James Howard Kunstler. I guess the folks from Saratoga Springs like going by their full names. :lol: :rolleyes:

You're right Pentimento on naming David after the late David Angell who sadly along w/his wife Lynn died on 9/11. No one will ever forget that day-not them 4 losing David & Lynn Angell there.
Anyway, I thought it was the best way 4 us 2 say "goodbye seattle" & of course, "Goodbye Dr. Frasier Crane". Just remember him & every1 on the show. :)

Tiff7

P.S. In Loving Memory of David & Lynn Angell 1946 (not sure what yrs they were born)-2001. God Bless America!

P.P.S. I wish they had some1 from Cheers-Sam, Diane, Woody, Carla, Cliff, Norm or any1 else. The show wud have gotten better ratings w/some1 form the show that started it all & @ a bar where "everybody knew there names"


Goodbye Frasier
1984-2004

I agree with AKA, there was no need to bring in anybody from Cheers. Frasier had established itself as its own show.

I'm glad they didn't but, I miss my Lilith. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by BebeSternin
I'm glad they didn't but, I miss my Lilith. :rolleyes:

It was nice that Frasier called Lilith...but if Lilith would have returned for the last show, then there would be so much screaming, don't you think? ;)

Oh the Cheers crowd, I really loved Diane and Lilith! http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/bow.gif

Feen

Originally posted by Princess Feenster
It was nice that Frasier called Lilith...but if Lilith would have returned for the last show, then there would be so much screaming, don't you think? ;)

There wouldve definately been screaming.
But like Cheers before it, we would've never heard it -- because Frasier had class.

If you watch closely, neither has the big "screaming" moments you'd find in Saved By The Bell, Happy Days or Friends.

I don't think there would've been any screaming. Frasier catered to a different type of audience then Friends and the others.

I'm really late to this topic but I just have to say that I loved the finale of Frasier! I also loved the twist at the end. The whole way through I expected the final scene to be him arriving in San Fransico, but then it said now arriving in Chicago, it was brilliant! And the acting was as perfect as it ever was. Some shows slip near the end in the acting department, but Frasier maintained excellent acting throughout its entire 11 year run, IMO.

Goodbye Frasier! I'll miss you.

P.S. Am I the only one who thinks that Roz should be the one to get her own spinoff???

Unfortunately I just saw this, currently stuck in the UK. Funny how Friends finale was mentioned non-stop, yet Frasier didn't even had any ads run. I stumbled on a retrospective and thought hmm, maybe the last one is on. Sure enough...

I thought it was fair, much like the Friends finish. Moderate laughs and far too little emotion. The wedding chaos was entirely too cliche and seemed like a rush job. The set didn't even run beyond the reception hall. Buses and canons and heat stroke and drunk six-year-old girls (lil too risque there), all-ofscreen. The early bit with Kenny in the bathroom was never really paid off either.

Then the vet's business, talk about stuff happening WAY too fast. Here's the ring, now here's a baby, now here's a wedding. Phhttt. Labor lasts for hours (especially for a first-time mother) so I started talking to the screen instead of listening. Then "let's get married here". Sheesh, why not set up a ham radio and cram Frasier's goodbye to his listeners in the same vet's room?? The bit with the monkey was great, though. And I assumed David was for Pierce, but I guess Angell is more appropriate. Although the baby's name is David Crane.. David Krane is one of the producers on Friends ha!!!

The goodbyes in the apartment were great. Thinking he was dying, then moments you know where the cast is probly talking to each other thru their characters. "I'm gonna miss the coffees" and Martin even getting a little emotinal. But Frasier's earlier calls to Lilith and Bebe were entirely too fast. Some of it just seemed hurried.

Roz getting the job was pretty inventive, she'd been there long enough. Noel finally gets to kiss her, and they bring back Gil, but no Frederick (except for the phone), no Bulldog, and of course, no Lilith (glad no Cheers people, Frasier needs to stand on it's own).

The bit with Frasier landing in Chicago to stare out a window was wholly unsatisfying. Ok, so now what? Just as disappointing a finish as Cheers, Three's Company still is the only show that had a great finale.

Originally posted by McFly121
Three's Company still is the only show that had a great finale.

Are you serious??

The TC finale blows.
It was like a rush pilot for Three's A Crowd.
I hated it.

Hmph, ok. Jack moves in with Vicki, Janet gets married, Teri goes to Hawaii. Janet's wedding doesn't succumb to the usual disasters, but more with drama for Jack and Vicki. Larry and Jack have a good scene about their friendship. Furley says goodbye to each of them, the final close of the door. Then Ritter tears the joint up with his final five minutes in the bed. They took three eps to set everything up and develop it. RESOLUTION, something lacking in these other finales.

Why don't the producers make a spin-off of Frasier? It could be about Niles and Daphne and their new life w/ a son.

Originally posted by Archie and Edith
Why don't the producers make a spin-off of Frasier? It could be about Niles and Daphne and their new life w/ a son.

Haha! I love that idea!!


Feen

Sorry, I couldn't go for that. Frasier worked because he was a minor character of a huge ensemble. Niles was the 2nd major character on that show and enough has been covered. All that's left is tired sitcom stuff dealing with a new baby, who'd want to watch that? The only, only possible spin-off could be Roz, as she's now got a whole bunch of new cohorts at the station, plus the fact they could focus on her personal life. Otherwise, the show should die where it is.

Originally posted by McFly121
Sorry, I couldn't go for that. Frasier worked because he was a minor character of a huge ensemble. Niles was the 2nd major character on that show and enough has been covered. All that's left is tired sitcom stuff dealing with a new baby, who'd want to watch that? The only, only possible spin-off could be Roz, as she's now got a whole bunch of new cohorts at the station, plus the fact they could focus on her personal life. Otherwise, the show should die where it is.

Actually, I like your idea about Roz better than mine

Friends is over but Matt LeBlanc get his own show this fall which I heard is a hit w/"Joey"


Tiff7