I recall reading about Lucy and Desi a few years after they were married and they talked about the Sex that was so great between them that is. Do you think that was 1 major contributing factor that kept them together? They didn't date that long and 2 totally different cultures. I kinda think that it did.

They said they fought like they made love, with all they had, so i guess that's good, they had both been around and knew what they were doing. I think it was more than that though, that once in a lifetime connection you make with the ONE person, that love at first sight factor, and the fact that everybody told them it would never work, i know that would encourage me to prove them all wrong, and lasting almost 20 years in Hollywood was a major accomplishment right there!

Sex, sex, and more sex. And I'm not kidding.

But there was obviously something deeper than that. No one would stay together for 20 years just for the sex.

Sex, sex and more sex was right....when they were together. Lucy said that, of the first decade of their marriage, they lived together probably about a year and a half tops. He was just doing so much touring with his band. So I doubt that sex was the major factor that kept them together because they had so few oppertunites to be together. Even Desi said in his book that he thought that he and Lucy must have had something extra special that kept them together during that time.

Soul mates, that's what it was! You make that connection and it beats everything.

I recall Lucy's comment on one interview:'And you can't have children over the phone"..'Really":eek:

Well yeah, he was always touring with his band and she was on location making films so they said they were always yelling on the phone, long distance, and they estimated they spent thousands just on the word WHAT?

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well yeah, he was always touring with his band and she was on location making films so they said they were always yelling on the phone, long distance, and they estimated they spent thousands just on the word WHAT?

Sometimes the AT&T operators were the ones that got them to make up with each other again!:D

They always listened in on their interesting conversations, and ONE time, one operator noticed that they weren't calling each other back like they always did after a major fight, so she calls Lucy and asks her, why don't you call him back, he's such a baby, and Lucy calls Desi back in a hurry to repeat what the operator had said about him, LOL! And they laughed the night away!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
They always listened in on their interesting conversations, and ONE time, one operator noticed that they weren't calling each other back like they always did after a major fight, so she calls Lucy and asks her, why don't you call him back, he's such a baby, and Lucy calls Desi back in a hurry to repeat what the operator had said about him, LOL! And they laughed the night away!

Do you think they ever did whoopee over the phone??:lol: They had a good audience!:eek:

Well, if Gore can boast that he INVENTED the internet, what's to stop us from saying Lucy and Desi INVENTED phone sex? LOL!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, if Gore can boast that he INVENTED the internet, what's to stop us from saying Lucy and Desi INVENTED phone sex? LOL!

We never know what Nixon was doing in those Watergate conversations either! Probably he learned it from Lucy and Desi:happyface

That's true, maybe the 18 minute gap that accidentaly got erased by his devoted secretary was a love session between Nixon and Bebe Rebozo.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, if Gore can boast that he INVENTED the internet, what's to stop us from saying Lucy and Desi INVENTED phone sex? LOL!

Having sex with a phone..I can just picture it right now! LOL! :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
Having sex with a phone..I can just picture it right now! LOL! :lol:

Not with a phone; over the phone lol:D

Originally posted by SPLAIN
That's true, maybe the 18 minute gap that accidentaly got erased by his devoted secretary was a love session between Nixon and Bebe Rebozo.

You never know;) :lol:

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
Not with a phone; over the phone lol:D

I know.I was j/p! :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
I know.I was j/p! :lol:

Even though you can do BOTH! LOL JK

LOL! Ouuuu Karen! I'm tellinnnng! :lol:

Originally posted by crazyredhead
LOL! Ouuuu Karen! I'm tellinnnng! :lol:

*howls like a wolf*:lol:

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, if Gore can boast that he INVENTED the internet, what's to stop us from saying Lucy and Desi INVENTED phone sex? LOL!
That reminds me of my favorite Al Gore comment. When someone asked him why he said that, he said he didn't mean to but he was tired because he was up late inventing the camcorder! :lol:

You know what? I was just thinking about it and my great aunt was an AT&T operator, I guess she was during the 40's, but it might have been later I'm not sure. I should ask if she ever over heard any phone convo's. LOL

All the operators did that back then, lucky devils! LOL! Why is it that every time i try PHONE SEX, this message comes on, THERE IS NO SERVICE FOR THE NUMBER YOU HAVE DIALED!

Originally posted by dawsongirl


But there was obviously something deeper than that. No one would stay together for 20 years just for the sex.


Have you not taken a good look at Desi?lol
But, seriously I think when you find your soulmate nothing can keep you apart. Not even divorce. Had the Arnazs' called it quits and retired and not continued on w/the show like they did I think they would have stayed together.
I remember a part on that CBS movie about them that aired last summer. Desi turned to Lucy and asked her if they should go on or call it quits and she aswered ,keep going.I truly think that was a major turning point in their relationship.

Oh we totally disagree on that one. If he actually asked that, he was either stupid or totally blind to the way she was, she was not lazy and wanted to work till her dying day, he HAD to know that by then. HE bought RKO, and that pressure of running it changed him, but she stayed a hard worker till the day she died, she was unfortunately married to a lousy manager who screwed up her career, Desi would have kept her working and in better projects, he had taste and knew how to present her. They divorced when she just couldn't stand the pain and humiliation and hurt anymore. He was hurt also, she could verbally abuse him the way he hurt her constantly by having his dalliances with prostitutes known to the world when she wanted a quiet life with respectability. They were BOTH tired, pressured stressed and worn out, so they divorced and became better friends, great parents, associates who contacted each other daily on business matters and maybe divorce was not a bad thing for them, it might have been their only way out.

Yeah Claude...go argue with someone else besides me!:lol:

Buying RKO changed him because;because IN A WAY..He was a thoughtful person and wanted to keep his wife happy since it was her idea of working more.

Originally posted by ricardo/mertz
Have you not taken a good look at Desi?lol
But, seriously I think when you find your soulmate nothing can keep you apart. Not even divorce. Had the Arnazs' called it quits and retired and not continued on w/the show like they did I think they would have stayed together.
I remember a part on that CBS movie about them that aired last summer. Desi turned to Lucy and asked her if they should go on or call it quits and she aswered ,keep going.I truly think that was a major turning point in their relationship.

But they didn't let the divorce keep them apart -- they were able to talk on the phone all the time and continued being there for each other, probably despite what their spouses thought about it. Not everyone can do that.



Originally posted by SPLAIN
Oh we totally disagree on that one. If he actually asked that, he was either stupid or totally blind to the way she was, she was not lazy and wanted to work till her dying day, he HAD to know that by then.

Yes, I'm sure that Desi did know that she lived for her work. Even when he was ill and she said that she was going back to do "Life With Lucy," he said, "What took you so long to get back to work?" But then again, she HAD to know that the pressure of the business was a big factor in his heavy drinking and heavy philandering. It was his release. She has even said that he was always happiest playing his bongo drums. And part of him realized that the marriage was starting to slip--and he was starting to slip--because of all that pressure, and knew that he needed to slow down.

That is probably why he came to her and gave her the option of quitting. I'm sure that he already knew with 90% certainty what she was going to say, but I'm sure that part of him just wanted to see if there was just a glimmer of hope that Lucy would actually put the marriage ahead of her work for once and make some sacrifices to save it. But her point of view in the whole thing was: if I quit my work, but lose him anyway, what will I be left with? Nothing. So she kept working. He kept working because he knew that it was what she wanted and he loved her. And so the viscious cycle continued.

Oh i especially liked the last part of your reply. He was a business man, and knew that the only way he could compete with the other people in his business was to get bigger or die, so HE bought RKO. Only told HER about it afterwards. Then he couldn't handle it the same way he couldn't handle anything in his life, like she said on the Barbara Walters interview, everything he built up he had to tear down, now i'm not a psychiatrist so i don't know if that was because he lost everything in his privileged lifestyle at 16 when the revolution came, while she was very poor most of her life and appreciated everything, was frugal and squirreled everything away for a rainy day and her kids futures. He wasted and sqandered his assets, but contrary to what some here might think, if i had been in their shoes, i would have done the exact same thing as Desi. I too live for the moment so i can clearly understand that behavior, only as i get older have i started to be more practical and set money aside. The best line in his book to me was when he said he even HATED the meaning of the word PRACTICAL. My opinion is that after being called Mr Ball for decades and people thinking SHE was the brains behind everything, he bought a studio so he could run it, got bored after a while and let it slip through his fingers whereas she who also hated anything that WASN'T PERFORMING, still took it over and built it up till she could recoup her money and sell it at a profit once she had accomplished that. You have to keep this thread going as you are clearly unbiased unlike Karen who only sees Desi's side of things and myself who favors Lucy's side in everything. But remember that Lucy was quoting Desi himself when she said that he built things up so he could later tear them down, he admitted that himself many times.

Excuse me Claude;you seem to always agree with what she says and attack me when it's bassically the same thing...

Desi loved Lucy very deeply; more than what she deserved sometimes; and he was always trying to make up for his mistakes at home by doing good bussiness..He bought RKO because Lucy said she wanted to grow more..if she hadn't made that decision Desi would've never bought it in the first place. When he asked her ' to retire or grow' her answer was the turning point for him and her... The pressures grew and Lucy had become a workaholic, Desi an alcoholic...Lucy's inner problems were much deeper and worse than Desi's all problems combined

Originally posted by I'maDESIlover
Excuse me Claude;you seem to always agree with what she says and attack me when it's bassically the same thing...

Desi loved Lucy very deeply; more than what she deserved sometimes; and he was always trying to make up for his mistakes at home by doing good bussiness..He bought RKO because Lucy said she wanted to grow more..if she hadn't made that decision Desi would've never bought it in the first place. When he asked her ' to retire or grow' her answer was the turning point for him and her... The pressures grew and Lucy had become a workaholic, Desi an alcoholic...Lucy's inner problems were much deeper and worse than Desi's all problems combined


I do agree w/you.;)

Originally posted by ricardo/mertz
I do agree w/you.;)

Thanks! I don't think Claude will ever agree with me..We are the perfect dysfunctional marriage ( he wished) LOL:p

An example of my previous post is this photo. You can see Desi giving Lucy a very warm hug with all his might..you can almost feel it! what is she doing??? both her arms dangling down like an inanimate object :rolleyes: http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/Guanina75/50399477.jpg

Awww... that is a very sweet picture. He probably caught her off guard. HE IS squeezing her pretty tight. maybe she couldn't move. You can see the love in his expression.
As for Claude, I love having discussions w/ him wheather we agree or not.

For some reason, the picture isn't showing up on my screen but I think I know exactly which one you are refering to. If I'm not mistaken, it was taken on the set of the LDCH "Lucy Goes to Mexico," which was filmed in late 1958. Lucy was probably so bitter and angry by then because of Desi's screwing around and heavy drinking that she probably just had no desire to hug him back. And I don't blame her for having those feelings, even though I do believe that some of her actions undeliberately contributed to his acting that way toward the end of the marriage. But I agree, the picture does say a lot about how Desi still felt at that point.

Awww... that is a very sweet picture. He probably caught her off guard. HE IS squeezing her pretty tight. maybe she couldn't move
That's true. I din't think it's fair to post a picture and say "here you go, see how cold she is" if you don't know the circumstances behind it. :)

We all 'know' the circumstances. Desi's problems were a joke compared to Lucy's. Lucy was not the victim of Desi's problems; she was in part the one that made them worse and her' s too and he still had feelings and love towards her

I meant the circumstances behind the picture. Not the circumstances behind the relationship! :)

Originally posted by Lodee
I meant the circumstances behind the picture. Not the circumstances behind the relationship! :)

If we talk circumstances; I'm refering to the real ones not just because 'Lucy was caught off guard' or whatever:D

Don't even try Lodee, if you disagree with her, you are always wrong. If you voice it, then you're attacking her. That's why i'd rather post with Ricardo Mertz, to get a fair balanced picture of both not a lopsided fairy tale. You should see the two posts i erased where i answered her, LOL! Debra Barone said it best, *****! LOL!

Okay splain, thanks...:)

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Don't even try Lodee, if you disagree with her, you are always wrong. If you voice it, then you're attacking her. That's why i'd rather post with Ricardo Mertz, to get a fair balanced picture of both not a lopsided fairy tale. You should see the two posts i erased where i answered her, LOL! Debra Barone said it best, *****! LOL!

AS you, I'm only stating my opinion and disagreeing BUT not saying that is wrong or right! I think I live in a free country and can state my opinion and be respected which you are not doing. I disagree with you, and prolly always will BUT I don't call you names ect...None of us here know for sure what really happened there..Only Lucy and Desi..both had problems and neither of them knew how to deal with them properly.I appreciate more respect from your side of the computer Claude!:rolleyes:

But you will not get respect when you are disrespectful to the lady we all honor here. Lodee, i'll PM you or i'll burst, LOL!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
But you will not get respect when you are disrespectful to the lady we all honor here. Lodee, i'll PM you or i'll burst, LOL!

I don't have to get any respect from anyone here or Lucy herself! Neither Lucy nor you pay my bills :D

Well, technically seing as you are on welfare, all of America pays your bills, so that's most people here.

Originally posted by SPLAIN
Well, technically seing as you are on welfare, all of America pays your bills, so that's most people here.

You know NOTHING about my personal life hun...And you don't even live in America to worry about that!

Thank you Splain. I'll take that as a compliment!:D

Originally posted by Ricardos4ever
For some reason, the picture isn't showing up on my screen but I think I know exactly which one you are refering to. If I'm not mistaken, it was taken on the set of the LDCH "Lucy Goes to Mexico," which was filmed in late 1958. Lucy was probably so bitter and angry by then because of Desi's screwing around and heavy drinking that she probably just had no desire to hug him back. And I don't blame her for having those feelings, even though I do believe that some of her actions undeliberately contributed to his acting that way toward the end of the marriage. But I agree, the picture does say a lot about how Desi still felt at that point.

Man, you're good!

I do because you told me. It just struck a nerve when you said Lucy was a workaholic. Want to try the Lucy the BAD mother one now?

And you can always put my name on your IGNORE list so you don't have to read my royal bitchiness

And to think i was gonna join your site, ah well . . . maybe next time.

Hope you regular posters enjoyed our little skit and reennactment of a typical Lucy Desi fight on Roxbury drive, LOL!

Originally posted by SPLAIN
And to think i was gonna join your site, ah well . . . maybe next time.

Which site??? Not Desi's..that will be over my dead body first:mad:

It's called S A R C A S M !

Originally posted by SPLAIN
It's called S A R C A S M !

I call it IGNORANT

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SPLAIN
Hope you regular posters enjoyed our little skit and reennactment of a typical Lucy Desi fight on Roxbury drive, LOL! [/QU


:rofl:


And now to lighten things up send in the dancing banana!:banana:

P.S. I don't think Lucy was a bad mother. She worked very hard to make sure her family was provided for.;)

No, that bad mother comment was going elsewhere. I know Lucy was a great mother, she said it herself and her son has never found anything bad to say about his mom either. I grew up and heard her on talk shows and read the articles and i know for a fact that her whole life her kids meant the world to her. And thanks for lightening things up, we have both gone to neutral corners and we're both waiting for the bell to ring again.

I put ya in my ignore list and you may as well put me there too. I may keep you there forever too:wave:

Honey, you know very well i explode like Sinatra or Desi and then cool down and want to kiss and make up, although i might have to get a tetenus shot. :lol:

:boxing:

I think IGNORANCE is not bliss and Offending someone that disagrees completly uncool:mad:

Really? Then you must really hate yourself a lot these days, LOL! If you ever go to Jamestown, we could meet at Harvey's Gym, and go a few rounds, LOL! We'll have Jamestown talking for YEARS!

Hey you guys--I hope you are only kidding around....I didn't want this to happen. :(

Originally posted by desilutoo
Hey you guys--I hope you are only kidding around....I didn't want this to happen. :(

I just put him on my IGNORANT...er..IGNORE Member list:rolleyes:

DUDE, that was totally cool, guys! Thanks for that reenactment of the Desi-Lucy fights! *applause*

NO seriously, come on guys..:rolleyes:

I hope no one was offended with my comments but in my opinion Claude got off hand with his comments; I wasn't offending anyone and just like him stating my opinion. Every one that posts here, no matter how much we all disagree sometimes; RESPECTS the opinion of the other party and don't use ignorance as name calling or put downs to make a point.I think it's unfair that he attacks me constantly for my different views on Lucy and Desi and when someone else writes the same thing he turns completly amicable. Please Claude, learn to respect each others opinions without using childish behavior and be more open minded to it. None of us know the REAL Lucy and Desi; we are just sharing in an open forum FOR ALL POINTS OF VIEW opinions about their life and just because I am a minority or for whatever reason you think I'm less than you; you are wrong darling and you will see it the day of the last judgement...I wasn't trying to cause a stirup of any kind but I'm not also going to sit down and allow this to happen. Thank you all for reading; Karen

I was definitely not offended. Well actually I didn't read half of what ya'll said, because I knew if I did it would get ME steamed up..(not about Desi of course Karen, I agree with what you said). But I hate fighting with Claude, so i just keep my big mouth shut most of the time..but KUDOS TO YOU SISTER! :D

I totally disagree with Desilover. You blame Lucy for all of Desi's problems. You don't know the real story behind that photograph, you weren't there, so don't just claim she's a cold, unloving person. I agree with SPLAIN.

Originally posted by ricardo/mertz



And now to lighten things up send in the dancing banana!:banana:


Don't forget the mango. :mango

Originally posted by ARealLucyFan
I totally disagree with Desilover. You blame Lucy for all of Desi's problems. You don't know the real story behind that photograph, you weren't there, so don't just claim she's a cold, unloving person. I agree with SPLAIN.


You wasn't there either so...:p

Originally posted by ARealLucyFan
I totally disagree with Desilover. You blame Lucy for all of Desi's problems. You don't know the real story behind that photograph, you weren't there, so don't just claim she's a cold, unloving person. I agree with SPLAIN.

WHATEVER! :rolleyes: You don't know soo..:p

Aaaaannddd...

That was basically a personal attack at Karen...which not 5 mins before I asked people not attack each other.

So :( I'm closing this good topic.