The episode were they talk about Elvis till creeps me out. It was so scary like where the boy goes in and it shows like you were walking in I think his girl friend killed him ban boom he went in the bathroom and she forsed the pills down his throat :lol:

No really does this scare anyone else?

Elvis Presley suicide--well, there was sort of an update this spring, when the evidence was reexamined and doctors determined "it really was his heart," but that doesn't DISPROVE an overdose, since drugs will stop a heart as well as heart disease, and he had plenty of both. About the intentional overdose theory, his stepbrother seemed so sure, but I have a hard time with it. Why bother to get engaged, plan a tour, and then end it all? Most disturbingly, WHY do this with Lisa Marie in the house? It was her last day before going back to her mother's. Elvis couldn't wait ONE DAY and spare his beloved only child that ordeal? Too twisted to imagine. There is a new book by a woman who knew him for years strongly debunking the suicide theory, claiming he was ill.

Although there is no evidence Ginger (Alden, his girlfriend) killed him...Ginger had more motivation to kill Elvis than he did to kill himself.

Bumping this up due to Michael Jackson. Insane that he seems to have died the same way as Elvis--possible heart damage due to his chosen lifestyle compounded by drug overdose while planning a comeback tour. At least one of Michael's children was somewhere nearby at the time. Were any of the children in the house like Lisa Marie?

the 2pac episode is close to me, since I've been a huge fan of 2pac the last 10 years



they messed up on one fact, Yafeu Fula (2pac's close friend, fellow rapper and half brother) was murdered 2 months ago 2pac died, but his murder was solved + found un-released to 2pac's


Unsolved made it sound like he was killed to be kept from testifying on trial...in reality he was murdered over money in a Mike Tyson fight. I met Mutah Beele aka Napoleon, one of the Outlawz (2pac's group) and he confirmed to me that HIS COUSIN was the one who killed Fula....over 100 bucks :(


Fula was 19 but had been on two hit singles for 2pac (All About You and Hit Em Up) along with about 50-70 other collaborations with Pac, and he was a GREAt rapper....woulda been even better if he didnt die. He had collaborations with 2pac, Snoop, Notorious BIG, Kurupt/Dogg Pound and many more at such a young age. His rap alias was Kadafi.

As soon as I heard the news of MJ's death, the first thing I thought was that like Elvis, he was "yes manned" to death.

Both were surrounded with sycophants and hangers-on, doctors who would prescribe anything they demanded, and not a single person who would tell them "no", tell them the truth, or tell them what's good for them.

Seems to me that both were so out of control with the drugs, wild spending, and crazy lifestyle, that they needed court appointed guardians to force them into rehab, manage their budgets, and in MJ's case, keep the little boys away from him, no matter how hard their parents tried to pimp them out to the king of pop.

Oh, btw, I don't think I've ever seen the UM Elvis episode. What's it about?

Although there is no evidence Ginger (Alden, his girlfriend) killed him...Ginger had more motivation to kill Elvis than he did to kill himself.

I always thought Elvis was dating Linda Thompson at the time of his death, but I could be wrong about that.

I've never seen an Elvis UM segment--but did it include that CREEPY 1988 phone call that woman claims to have gotten out of the blue in the middle of the night from Elvis? I think it was absolutely proven to be a hoax, but it's still eerie as hell to listen to.

As soon as I heard the news of MJ's death, the first thing I thought was that like Elvis, he was "yes manned" to death.

Both were surrounded with sycophants and hangers-on, doctors who would prescribe anything they demanded, and not a single person who would tell them "no", tell them the truth, or tell them what's good for them.

Seems to me that both were so out of control with the drugs, wild spending, and crazy lifestyle, that they needed court appointed guardians to force them into rehab, manage their budgets, and in MJ's case, keep the little boys away from him, no matter how hard their parents tried to pimp them out to the king of pop.

Most of the same could apply to Anna Nicole Smith, who didn't even learn from her own son's overdose, and a man was on the news immediately following Jackson's death saying that when ANS died, he said, "The same thing better not happen to Michael Jackson."

I always thought Elvis was dating Linda Thompson at the time of his death, but I could be wrong about that.

I've never seen an Elvis UM segment--but did it include that CREEPY 1988 phone call that woman claims to have gotten out of the blue in the middle of the night from Elvis? I think it was absolutely proven to be a hoax, but it's still eerie as hell to listen to.

No, Elvis was engaged to Ginger Alden, who discovered his lifeless body. Her screams brought Lisa Marie, who then saw him lying there like that. This is why the stepbrother's accusation of suicide is so terrible. Even if Elvis decided to kill himself before a comeback tour, would he do so in a manner guaranteed to traumatize the two people dearest to him? Let alone leave a crappy will so it took Lisa Marie years to claim her inheritance. Michael Jackson has a bit different situation, seemingly leaving such huge debts they make Pavarotti's $25 million look like pocket change. Wonder if the figure will make the Guinness Book of World Records.

And, no, I don't remember ever hearing about that phone call.

I've never seen an Elvis UM segment--but did it include that CREEPY 1988 phone call that woman claims to have gotten out of the blue in the middle of the night from Elvis? I think it was absolutely proven to be a hoax, but it's still eerie as hell to listen to.

Are you referring to a tape recording allegedly of a late night phone conversation with Elvis that was made several years after he died?

If so, the recording was debunked as a hoax when the man whose voice was on the tape came forward after the woman who paid him to make the tape bounced the check. The tape, as well as other "evidence" and claims that Elvis still lived were all part of a giant hoax perpetuated by author Gail Brewer Giorgio to sell her books. She also appeared with Bill Bixby on a rather unintentionally humorous 1992 syndicated special called "The Elvis Files" to promote her theories. I have the special on tape and it's pure, unfiltered, bulls***.

Are you referring to a tape recording allegedly of a late night phone conversation with Elvis that was made several years after he died?

If so, the recording was debunked as a hoax when the man whose voice was on the tape came forward after the woman who paid him to make the tape bounced the check. The tape, as well as other "evidence" and claims that Elvis still lived were all part of a giant hoax perpetuated by author Gail Brewer Giorgio to sell her books. She also appeared with Bill Bixby on a rather unintentionally humorous 1992 syndicated special called "The Elvis Files" to promote her theories. I have the special on tape and it's pure, unfiltered, bulls***.

If memory serves, this was also featured on Maury Povich's "A Current Affair".

That show at times tried to be the poorman's Unsolved Mysteries.

Forgot to mention, I don't know if the Stanley brothers are liars but I've disliked at least one of them due to his attitude ever since seeing two of them on a call-in talk show years ago.

Not only is it being reported that the doctor was in a number of different kinds of trouble, but WTF is up with this?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009/news/nationalnews/jacko_sons_tragic_trance_176550.htm

Who the HELL transfers someone OFF a floor and ONTO a bed to perform CPR? Doesn't it have to be done on a hard or at least firm surface? Also what's up with the report of the doctor "finding" Jackson on the bed, not breathing but with a weak pulse? And now the story is he collapsed in the living room? Obviously was breathing before hitting the floor! And the staff member called family BEFORE 911? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you referring to a tape recording allegedly of a late night phone conversation with Elvis that was made several years after he died?

If so, the recording was debunked as a hoax when the man whose voice was on the tape came forward after the woman who paid him to make the tape bounced the check. The tape, as well as other "evidence" and claims that Elvis still lived were all part of a giant hoax perpetuated by author Gail Brewer Giorgio to sell her books. She also appeared with Bill Bixby on a rather unintentionally humorous 1992 syndicated special called "The Elvis Files" to promote her theories. I have the special on tape and it's pure, unfiltered, bulls***.

Yep, that's the one. I think I remember the question immediately asked was why would Presley choose to phone Brewer-Giorgio out of all the people he could've called? I'm sure she had a logical explanation. :rolleyes: I bet that special is priceless.


If memory serves, this was also featured on Maury Povich's "A Current Affair".

That show at times tried to be the poorman's Unsolved Mysteries.

Agreed.

That intro was classic: tinklytinklytinklySHWONNNGG! (It's so classic I can't even replicate it in type.)

Yep, that's the one. I think I remember the question immediately asked was why would Presley choose to phone Brewer-Giorgio out of all the people he could've called? I'm sure she had a logical explanation. :rolleyes: I bet that special is priceless.

From what I remember of the special, Brewer-Giorgio wasn't claiming (at least then) that Elvis called her. She said the recording was provided by another Elvis fan/researcher who wished to remain anonymous. It was apparent that the tape was of a telephone conversation between two parties, but had been edited in such a way that only the voice of "Elvis" could be heard. Whomever he was speaking with and what they said was deleted. I have also read that Brewer-Giorgio has claimed Elvis did call her, so her story has changed at least once.

I was curious about the backstory of the hoax so I did some Googling. An Elvis impersonator named David Darlock came forward in 1985 and claimed that he made the tape in 1981 for the "Eternally Elvis Fan Club". He even produced a copy of the contract for his services.

I suppose Gail Brewer-Giorgio has denied these claims. Darlock was not mentioned on the "Elvis Files" special with Bixby (circa 1990, not 92). In fact, the recording was touted as authentic. There was even an acoustics analyst who compared the unknown voice on the tape to old recordings of Elvis and said they were a match. Despite the fact that the FBI had done the same analysis back in 1985 and concluded the voice was Darlock's.

This leads me to believe that the special was either very poorly researched or a total snowjob from the start. Since Brewer-Giorgio was one of the producers, I'm guessing the latter.

I've never seen an Elvis UM segment--but did it include that CREEPY 1988 phone call that woman claims to have gotten out of the blue in the middle of the night from Elvis? I think it was absolutely proven to be a hoax, but it's still eerie as hell to listen to.

Oh yeah!! I remember seeing a reinactment of that phone call on a tv program many years ago. On the recording, Elvis asked this lady on the phone if his wax figure in the coffin looked like himself. Now, that is WEIRD!

This leads me to believe that the special was either very poorly researched or a total snowjob from the start. Since Brewer-Giorgio was one of the producers, I'm guessing the latter.

Looks like that's the case, no pun intended. From the intro to Brewer-Giorgio v. Producers Video, Inc. (2000):


Brewer-Giorgio wrote the script for the special and appeared on the show as a live guest, in a taped interview, and in a dramatized "re-enactment" of a telephone call she allegedly received from Elvis after his death.


Apparently Brewer-Giorgio tried to sue the production company for copyright infringement and "other various state law torts" after the sequel to "The Elvis Files"--"The Elvis Conspiracy"--aired. She claimed she was owed pay from the first special, did not "approve" the content of the second special (mainly because Bill Bixby proclaimed he thought Elvis indeed died in August 1977 at the end), and subsequently moved on the copyright infringement two days before the three-year statute of limitations was up. Go figure.

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/216/216.F3d.1281.99-13515.html

EDIT: Fixed link.

Oh yeah!! I remember seeing a reinactment of that phone call on a tv program many years ago. On the recording, Elvis asked this lady on the phone if his wax figure in the coffin looked like himself. Now, that is WEIRD!

I seem to remember the individual saying something to the effect of "You wouldn't recognize me today. Even if you looked me in the eye, you wouldn't recognize me." I certainly know it's not Presley on the phone, but that always kind of freaked me out. :(

How soon do you guys think it will be before the first Michael Jackson murder conspiracy or "sightings".

:D

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/216/216.F3d.1281.99-13515.html


SNIP

That was a very interesting read, Meg, thank you. I never knew there was a second followup special with Bill Bixby. Kinda funny that Bixby said he thought it was bunk. He seemed pretty skeptical in the first special, but still let everyone say their piece. I've been a Bixby fan since I was a kid and used to enjoy watching the Incredible Hulk. I always wondered why he agreed to host these wacky specials that really had no basis whatsoever in reality.

Brewer-Giorgio wrote another book in 1997 titled "Elvis is Alive and He's Coming Back". So, she was still at it, at least then.

How soon do you guys think it will be before the first Michael Jackson murder conspiracy or "sightings".

:D

His family is already crying "foul play".

"You know Elvis is dead, don't you?"

"Elvis isn't dead. He just went home"

How soon do you guys think it will be before the first Michael Jackson murder conspiracy or "sightings".

:D

I could totally see LaToya posing as him.

I could totally see LaToya posing as him.

Hey, when was the last time you saw those two together, anyway? :cool:

Yep, that's the one. I think I remember the question immediately asked was why would Presley choose to phone Brewer-Giorgio out of all the people he could've called? I'm sure she had a logical explanation. :rolleyes: I bet that special is priceless.




Agreed.

That intro was classic: tinklytinklytinklySHWONNNGG! (It's so classic I can't even replicate it in type.)
Yes and that intro used to scare the crap out of me as a child!! it was such a weird sound effect!

SNIP

That was a very interesting read, Meg, thank you. I never knew there was a second followup special with Bill Bixby. Kinda funny that Bixby said he thought it was bunk. He seemed pretty skeptical in the first special, but still let everyone say their piece. I've been a Bixby fan since I was a kid and used to enjoy watching the Incredible Hulk. I always wondered why he agreed to host these wacky specials that really had no basis whatsoever in reality.

Brewer-Giorgio wrote another book in 1997 titled "Elvis is Alive and He's Coming Back". So, she was still at it, at least then.

I remember watching that first special, and Bix did seem to be a bit nervous
or embarrassed to be there. TV Guide's review stated that he didn't
turn green but seemed to be trying to avoid turning red! (By the way, Bill
Bixby did work with Elvis in two of the latter's movies.)

I remember watching that first special, and Bix did seem to be a bit nervous
or embarrassed to be there. TV Guide's review stated that he didn't
turn green but seemed to be trying to avoid turning red! (By the way, Bill
Bixby did work with Elvis in two of the latter's movies.)

LOL, trying to avoid turning red is a good description. :lol:

I believe the special showed a couple of photos of Bill Bixby and Elvis together and mentioned the friendship.

Jerry Hopkins also discussed the friendship between the two, in his book
Elvis: A Biography (1972). Bixby (who had roles in Clambake and
Speedway) recalled that first he "found him to be a gentleman and then a gentle man" who liked children. "At that time I knew how much Elvis wanted a baby. When I was doing [Speedway], Elvis had gotten married
... he talked an awful lot on the set about how much he wanted a baby."
Re Priscilla's pregnancy, Bixby said: "After he found out, he was ecstatic.
Elvis was happier than I had seen him ... He seemed totally content. I re-
member him whistling and humming. He was thinner and everything seemed to
be falling into place."

How soon do you guys think it will be before the first Michael Jackson murder conspiracy or "sightings".

:D

ahem...http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/ :D

Well, the anniversary is almost over. I have very little to add to what I said in 2008. I just wonder if the stepbrother really believed what he said, or was just calling attention to himself or acting for some other reason.

Well, the anniversary is almost over. I have very little to add to what I said in 2008. I just wonder if the stepbrother really believed what he said, or was just calling attention to himself or acting for some other reason.
I personally always thought Stanley was sincere. If Elvis committed suicide or died by drug overdose directly or indirectly I don't think those close to Elvis would want to publicly admit to it. Elvis has such a good reputation that endured because he was such a hero, but there's little doubt to me he had a dark side. Stanley May have been one of the few that was being honest. Now for the other end of the argue meant he could have misinterpreted what he saw and perhaps Elvis just died from an overdose or prolonged drug usage. This may have led him to believe that Elvis knew what he was doing and did not care about the consequences. I find it interesting that red west says he knows Elvis wouldn't kill himself purposefully. It was an interesting comment because his tone and body language to me sounded as if he was yielding to the thought that Elvis may have died from drugs, but he wouldn't accept that Elvis would purposefully kill himself in a suicidal fashion. I do believe that Elvis was not the person that many people publicly believed him to be. He had a good religious reputation(and he did have moralistic religious views), but his private life was wild and out of control. I've heard several of his colleagues tell stories about Elvis and he was a wild one.

This is particularly interesting now with robin Williams. Drug addiction is a strong mental disease and it can cause suicide or accidental death when combined with depression.

Yes, I know Elvis both threatened and did terrible things and that his relatives were extremely open and honest about these things and did not whitewash them. I also know the story about how Elvis, when still quite young, went to a minister and acknowledged he was not doing everything he was taught was right, and was doing everything he was taught was wrong. Read The Boy Who Would Be King, a fascinating book, by, I believe, a cousin, and I know I have seen some of the same stories told by relatives. Could anyone have been angry at Elvis or just wanted to cash in on the dead rock star thing (the same has been said about Kurt Cobain and Michael Jackson--that they were past it as performers, worth more dead, and someone saw to it--I have not heard it said about Elvis but it may have been--). The question is whether anyone who intended harm to Elvis could have got close enough to inflict it.

Yes, I am very sad about Robin Williams. :( I have been heavily contemplating how so few have either the talent, or the opportunity, to pursue artistic careers, and often those who are the most successful at it (like, well, everyone I just mentioned and many others) just crash and burn! Whether anyone else contributes to it or not! (All of these people displayed extreme negligence in their own deaths regardless of what anyone else did.)

Yes, I know Elvis both threatened and did terrible things and that his relatives were extremely open and honest about these things and did not whitewash them. I also know the story about how Elvis, when still quite young, went to a minister and acknowledged he was not doing everything he was taught was right, and was doing everything he was taught was wrong. Read The Boy Who Would Be King, a fascinating book, by, I believe, a cousin, and I know I have seen some of the same stories told by relatives. Could anyone have been angry at Elvis or just wanted to cash in on the dead rock star thing (the same has been said about Kurt Cobain and Michael Jackson--that they were past it as performers, worth more dead, and someone saw to it--I have not heard it said about Elvis but it may have been--). The question is whether anyone who intended harm to Elvis could have got close enough to inflict it.

Yes, I am very sad about Robin Williams. :( I have been heavily contemplating how so few have either the talent, or the opportunity, to pursue artistic careers, and often those who are the most successful at it (like, well, everyone I just mentioned and many others) just crash and burn! Whether anyone else contributes to it or not! (All of these people displayed extreme negligence in their own deaths regardless of what anyone else did.)

Good points. Yeah Elvis is one of my favorite performers. He was a great man. I've heard some interesting stories from Robert plant in some of his interviews. He mentioned the amount of women Elvis had. According to Presley's daughter he was a huge led zep fan too but he didn't approve of some of their running mates that cussed a lot and one day asked a man to stop cussing or leave the room. Anyway I don't believe that Elvis was killed. I tend to believe he died from drugs. There could be different possible ways he died but I think it had to do with drugs either way. One possibility they didn't mention is maybe his body reacted to skipping the drugs at his normal times. Id be interested to know if anyone else at the scene agrees with Stanley that Elvis took all of those drugs at once?

worth more dead, and someone saw to it

IIRC, Elvis was definitely worth more dead than alive. I think his estate wasn't worth anything near what people thought because of Colonel Tom (or whatever his name was) and Elvis' wild spending, etc.

I read that once Priscilla started managing his estate after his death is when it finally started making millions and keeping the profits instead of it all getting spent as fast as it came in.

Upping for the anniversary.

Having recently seen Elvis' suits at the Rock HOF I can understand why he looked so bloated at the end. His frame was very slight and there just wasn't anywhere for all that blubber to go.

IIRC, Elvis was definitely worth more dead than alive. I think his estate wasn't worth anything near what people thought because of Colonel Tom (or whatever his name was) and Elvis' wild spending, etc.

I read that once Priscilla started managing his estate after his death is when it finally started making millions and keeping the profits instead of it all getting spent as fast as it came in.

Sounds like a similar scenario to Michael Jackson's Financial affairs.

I think this is very telling. Looks like Stanley and UM were not alone in the idea that Elvis committed suicide. At the very least he died by drug overdose.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5590915/Elvis-Presleys-ex-Priscilla-claims-took-life-died-drug-related-heart-attack.html