These were the reasons mentioned that caused the Jeffersons to be a Boring show in the 1980's


1.No More References To Harlem
2.No more use of the N-Word
3.No more Honkey Jokes
4.Louise stop saying (ain't) and using double negatives
5.The Afros were replaced
6.Louise was no longer a woman of strength

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
These were the reasons mentioned that caused the Jeffersons to be a Boring show in the 1980's


1.No More References To Harlem
2.No more use of the N-Word
3.No more Honkey Jokes
4.Louise stop saying (ain't) and using double negatives
5.The Afros were replaced
6.Louise was no longer a woman of strength


I see you got a new name... How many times is this 3 i think right? :lol:

Originally posted by CCH
I see you got a new name... How many times is this 3 i think right? :lol:


It wasn't really a name change. Just a name TWEEK. I only changed the first part of t.

Solomon, congrats on your promotion from sitcom to TV analyzer! What other shows do you analyze besides sitcoms?

Originally posted by jon123
Solomon, congrats on your promotion from sitcom to TV analyzer! What other shows do you analyze besides sitcoms?


Talk Shows
Reality Shows
Stand Up Comedy

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
These were the reasons mentioned that caused the Jeffersons to be a Boring show in the 1980's


1.No More References To Harlem
2.No more use of the N-Word
3.No more Honkey Jokes
4.Louise stop saying (ain't) and using double negatives
5.The Afros were replaced
6.Louise was no longer a woman of strength

So basically The Jefferson became Politically Correct in the 1980's; the only positive thing that took place during that decade was the return of Mike Evans playing Lionel Jefferson..

BTW..Solomon I like your new screen name; it fits you:)

Originally posted by Undercover Angel
So basically The Jefferson became Politically Correct in the 1980's; the only positive thing that took place during that decade was the return of Mike Evans playing Lionel Jefferson..

BTW..Solomon I like your new screen name; it fits you:)


Thanks. I think I read that Mike Evans left the show for good in 1981. I could be wrong though

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Thanks. I think I read that Mike Evans left the show for good in 1981. I could be wrong though I believe he came back for a couple of seasons then he retired from Show Business, which is a shame because he was an excellent actor and he was F.I.N.E. too:lol:

Originally posted by Undercover Angel
I believe he came back for a couple of seasons then he retired from Show Business, which is a shame because he was an excellent actor and he was F.I.N.E. too:lol: I just read that Evans returned to playing the part of Lionel Jefferson in 1979 and stayed til 1981; he also appeared in an 1982 episode titled Blazing Jeffersons and also appeared in the finale (The last episodes of The Jeffersons) Sayonara part one and two in 1985....:)

Originally posted by Undercover Angel
I just read that Evans returned to playing the part of Lionel Jefferson in 1979 and stayed til 1981; he also appeared in an 1982 episode titled Blazing Jeffersons and also appeared in the finale (The last episodes of The Jeffersons) Sayonara part one and two in 1985....:)


The Sayonara Episode wasn't the last eps of the series since they were aired in Feb of 1985. Those eps was the final appearance of Lionel and Jenny

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
The Sayonara Episode wasn't the last eps of the series since they were aired in Feb of 1985. Those eps was the final appearance of Lionel and Jenny Sorry I assumed wrong:lol:
but thanks for the information regarding that it wa the final episode of Jenny and Lionel....

Originally posted by Undercover Angel
Sorry I assumed wrong:lol:
but thanks for the information regarding that it wa the final episode of Jenny and Lionel....


That 2 parter with lionel and jenny could have been used as the series finale. Why gone on after that?-LOL i mean it was february of 1985.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
That 2 parter with lionel and jenny could have been used as the series finale. Why gone on after that?-LOL i mean it was february of 1985. I agree that is way I thought it was the two final episodes of the Show....

From Sitcom Analyzer to TVShow Analyzer, it looks like you're" moving on up!! :D

Originally posted by marvin g
From Sitcom Analyzer to TVShow Analyzer, it looks like you're" moving on up!! :D


LOL

The show just got tired and ran its course and should had the plug pulled after the 80-81 season. From that point on it got boring and George changed too radically. His friendship with Tom Willis was not enjoyable to watch at all.

Originally posted by mstewart
The show just got tired and ran its course and should had the plug pulled after the 80-81 season. From that point on it got boring and George changed too radically. His friendship with Tom Willis was not enjoyable to watch at all.


Yeah it was pretty boring

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Yeah it was pretty boring

Here was another thing that I did not like about the later was Louise Jefferson. She went from a woman who can stand her ground with George into a more cartoonish character. Also, she became overbearingly self righteous. Too much emphasis on Florence. To me the 79-80 season brought the show to its peak with Lionel, the original one, came back and showed him and Jenny as a couple dealing with their families and starting one. There could had been potential storylines with those three families if they could had kept that formula. The thing that killed it was George went from being loudmouthed to soft virtually overnight. At least Archie Bunker's character change was a gradual one. He was still watchable. The later years of George especially the last two seasons were horrible. That's Norman Lear for you not knowing when to pull the plug.

Originally posted by mstewart
Here was another thing that I did not like about the later was Louise Jefferson. She went from a woman who can stand her ground with George into a more cartoonish character. Also, she became overbearingly self righteous. Too much emphasis on Florence. To me the 79-80 season brought the show to its peak with Lionel, the original one, came back and showed him and Jenny as a couple dealing with their families and starting one. There could had been potential storylines with those three families if they could had kept that formula. The thing that killed it was George went from being loudmouthed to soft virtually overnight. At least Archie Bunker's character change was a gradual one. He was still watchable. The later years of George especially the last two seasons were horrible. That's Norman Lear for you not knowing when to pull the plug.


The Florence character never entertained me. I was always a George Jefferson fan and never laughed when she insulted George.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
The Florence character never entertained me. I was always a George Jefferson fan and never laughed when she insulted George.

Really. I loved it when George and Florence would get into it. The classic one was when a prospective client of George took a liking to Florence and thought she was funny when she insulted him. When he came back to their apartment she had a field day on George. The guy was laughing hysterically. That was Episode #73, Florence Gets Lucky.

Another Florence classic was when her and Louise got into it on Episode #121, Louise vs. Florence. That was LOL funny.

Originally posted by mstewart
Really. I loved it when George and Florence would get into it. The classic one was when a prospective client of George took a liking to Florence and thought she was funny when she insulted him. When he came back to their apartment she had a field day on George. The guy was laughing hysterically. That was Episode #73, Florence Gets Lucky.

Another Florence classic was when her and Louise got into it on Episode #121, Louise vs. Florence. That was LOL funny.


I laughed when George insulted Florence but not when she did the insulting.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
I laughed when George insulted Florence but not when she did the insulting.

I loved the cat and mouse rivialry between George and Florence.

Hey all:

It's funny. This show bored me after 1982 and I stopped watching. Louise did become self-righteous and snobbish and George and Willis as buddies is totally removed from the original premise of the show. As a young viewer watching the show, I looked forward to Lionel's appearances, even if he didn't show up every week. When he left some of the freshness left with him. I heard that he became a farmer in upstate New York.

What I find funny is that the show's ratings were so high in the 80s.

Still I'd rather watch the watered down 83-85 reruns now than almost anything on in prime time now.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Hey all:

It's funny. This show bored me after 1982 and I stopped watching. Louise did become self-righteous and snobbish and George and Willis as buddies is totally removed from the original premise of the show. As a young viewer watching the show, I looked forward to Lionel's appearances, even if he didn't show up every week. When he left some of the freshness left with him. I heard that he became a farmer in upstate New York.

What I find funny is that the show's ratings were so high in the 80s.

Still I'd rather watch the watered down 83-85 reruns now than almost anything on in prime time now.



The ratings were higher in the 80's because of what was explained in the 83 article-LOL

Hey Solomon:

You mean you think people watched in droves because George became less offensive? I remember seeing the one from year 9 when George had a museum of himself and they were all standing in the hallway in their evening wear standing around a large photo of George's face. I thought to myself, "Is this what this show has come to?" It looked like it was running on fumes.

Even the attempts at being sentimental were tired by this point. I liked the one in year 6 where Lionel is apprehensive about becoming a father and he and George had a heart to heart talk on the bridge. And the one where they flashed back to the first store. Also the one when Louise goes back to her old apartment and reflects on her youth. And the one when George finds Louise's sister. These episodes are good to me and have a depth to them that this show could get into believably. But the one where he finds Louise's father was tired and the one with the first dollar that they earned was forced and artificial to me.

One funny note: Sherman Hemsley's only emmy nomination was in year 10. Isabel and Marla were nominated repeatedly in the 80s, not the 70s.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Hey Solomon:

You mean you think people watched in droves because George became less offensive? I remember seeing the one from year 9 when George had a museum of himself and they were all standing in the hallway in their evening wear standing around a large photo of George's face. I thought to myself, "Is this what this show has come to?" It looked like it was running on fumes.

Even the attempts at being sentimental were tired by this point. I liked the one in year 6 where Lionel is apprehensive about becoming a father and he and George had a heart to heart talk on the bridge. And the one where they flashed back to the first store. Also the one when Louise goes back to her old apartment and reflects on her youth. And the one when George finds Louise's sister. These episodes are good to me and have a depth to them that this show could get into believably. But the one where he finds Louise's father was tired and the one with the first dollar that they earned was forced and artificial to me.

One funny note: Sherman Hemsley's only emmy nomination was in year 10. Isabel and Marla were nominated repeatedly in the 80s, not the 70s.




Exactly, George was less offensive and more people tuned in. To me, The George Jefferson character was the best from January of 1975 to April of 1975. OK i'm going to say the entire year of 1975. After 1975, George was never the same.

Solomon, you're right about George being the best in 1975. And on all in the Family too. He and Weezie would get into some real screamfests early on. I read somewhere or maybe I saw it when they had the retrospective at the television Museum that they intentionally toned down their arguments because viewers would be turned off. To me Louise had much more personality in All in the Family than she did in The Jeffersons.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Solomon, you're right about George being the best in 1975. And on all in the Family too. He and Weezie would get into some real screamfests early on. I read somewhere or maybe I saw it when they had the retrospective at the television Museum that they intentionally toned down their arguments because viewers would be turned off. To me Louise had much more personality in All in the Family than she did in The Jeffersons.


Yeah I heard that some viewers were offened by the early George Jefferson.


Classic Argument in 1975 between Louise and George


George: "Look I wear the pants in this Family"

Louise: "And when you zipp them up include your mouth"-LOL

:D I remember that joke! Too funny.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
:D I remember that joke! Too funny.


Also did you know that TV LAND never showed First season eps of the Jeffersons. I'm guessing because George was TOO WILD.

TVLand is weird. Year one was probably the best. Lionel still had somewhat of a personality there and George and Weezy fought like a real married couple.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
TVLand is weird. Year one was probably the best. Lionel still had somewhat of a personality there and George and Weezy fought like a real married couple.


I just didn;'t like how lionel change once he left All in the family. He was Arrogant, Materialistic, and Disrespectful

Lionel was my favorite character growing up. I'm not as upset about the actor switching thing as some others on here. Mike was much better than Damon, but Damon was better than no Lionel at all. When Mike came back in year six he wasn't jovial and happy go lucky like when he was from 1971-75. I really like the one in year six when he storms out of the apartment because he's anxious about the new baby and he goes to the bridge and George tracks him down and has a heart to heart talk with him. It's the only time I remember the two characters sharing such a heartwarming scene. When he left the second time a good bit of the show's freshness left with him and it suddenly became obvious to me how tired looking the actors were. And Jenny without Lionel was totally out of place. Why in the world did she still call him Mr Jefferson after being his daugher-in-law for all those years?

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Lionel was my favorite character growing up. I'm not as upset about the actor switching thing as some others on here. Mike was much better than Damon, but Damon was better than no Lionel at all. When Mike came back in year six he wasn't jovial and happy go lucky like when he was from 1971-75. I really like the one in year six when he storms out of the apartment because he's anxious about the new baby and he goes to the bridge and George tracks him down and has a heart to heart talk with him. It's the only time I remember the two characters sharing such a heartwarming scene. When he left the second time a good bit of the show's freshness left with him and it suddenly became obvious to me how tired looking the actors were. And Jenny without Lionel was totally out of place. Why in the world did she still call him Mr Jefferson after being his daugher-in-law for all those years?



No i meant the Change of personality of the Lionel Jefferson Character from All in the Family to the First season of the Jeffersons. Lionel on All in the Family was reserved, respectful and easygoing. Then Once the Jeffersons started in January of 1975, the Lionel character was rude to his mom and dad and arrogant.

Was he like that in every episode in year one? I remember him being Ok in some of the year one stories. In George's Family Tree he's pretty respectful wheh he breaks the news to George that their ancestors were slaves of slaves. I think they just made him rude in a couple of episodes. What other episodes are there where he's rude?

Originally posted by jamesanthony
Was he like that in every episode in year one? I remember him being Ok in some of the year one stories. In George's Family Tree he's pretty respectful wheh he breaks the news to George that their ancestors were slaves of slaves. I think they just made him rude in a couple of episodes. What other episodes are there where he's rude?



He was rude in the episode with Uncle Ward, Like Father, Like Son, and Lionel the Playboy

He sure was, but I think only for those particular episodes. Also I don't remember it, but I think he disses Jenny in jenny's low as well. I just thought of another one where he's not rude, I think it's called Louise Feels Useless. It's the one where Louise gets a job. He's not rude in that one. I didn't find anything rude about his behavior in the first episode either (the one when they hire the maid).

Originally posted by jamesanthony
He sure was, but I think only for those particular episodes. Also I don't remember it, but I think he disses Jenny in jenny's low as well. I just thought of another one where he's not rude, I think it's called Louise Feels Useless. It's the one where Louise gets a job. He's not rude in that one. I didn't find anything rude about his behavior in the first episode either (the one when they hire the maid).


Yeah he was not even seen much i the first ep-LOL Which is weird because he was on All in the Family before Isabel and Shermamn Hemsley

This is a bit off topic but after Mike Evans left The Jeffersons the first time he was a supporting player in a 1976 sitcom called Doc with Danny Thomas. His role in the show was very insignificant (he was either an orderly or a med student or some sort of lab tech). Makes you wonder why he would have left a hit show to go into something mediocre where he was just a minor character.

I don't have the DVD for year one. Did Mike Evans appear in all 13 episodes? I think all of the other supporting players missed at least one episode.

Originally posted by jamesanthony
This is a bit off topic but after Mike Evans left The Jeffersons the first time he was a supporting player in a 1976 sitcom called Doc with Danny Thomas. His role in the show was very insignificant (he was either an orderly or a med student or some sort of lab tech). Makes you wonder why he would have left a hit show to go into something mediocre where he was just a minor character.

I don't have the DVD for year one. Did Mike Evans appear in all 13 episodes? I think all of the other supporting players missed at least one episode.


Well that's why he left the Jeffersons because he felt his role became to small. I think he missed two eps out of 13 and the eps he was in he wasn't seen that much.

I saw a retrospective of the series and Berlinda Tolbert said that Mike Evans became a farmer and is through with Hollywood. She also said that Damon was an opera singer in Europe. The only ones at the retrospective were Isabel, Sherman, Marla Gibbs, Berlinda and Ned Wertimer and some writers and producers.