View Full Version : Gordon Page----What is your theory?
canadianmysterygrl 02-21-2004, 01:10 AM What do you think happened to poor Gordon Page?
I think sadly that he was killed by a nutcase while he was hitchhiking or that he wandered off into the woods and died. He might have been victim of a hit and run also. Sad sad case.
UMfan77 02-21-2004, 09:46 AM Unfortunately, all of your theories are possible. Gordon Page is/was autistic, so it's not like he could of lived on his own, he couldn't drive or get a job. He had once gotten a job as a cart boy but he got fired because he couldn't communicate with the customers. I honestly don't know if he will ever be found, dead or alive. Such a sad story.
PracTz 02-21-2004, 04:01 PM I guess Gordon could have wandered off on his own and died of exposure in a spot never found or he could have been abducted by someone seeing him wandering around who soon killed him or kept him captive and unable to communicate with the outside world. I'm sorry to say that I don't see that he had a happy outcome. :(
SitcomsAreTheWay 02-21-2004, 04:08 PM Originally posted by canadianmysterygrl
What do you think happened to poor Gordon Page?
I think sadly that he was killed by a nutcase while he was hitchhiking or that he wandered off into the woods and died. He might have been victim of a hit and run also. Sad sad case.
Sad but I agree, they're possible.
Do you think he was angry with his parents for leaving him at that place?
canadianmysterygrl 02-21-2004, 06:46 PM I'm not sure Gordon would have had th ability to be angry per sey but I think he might have disliked the place and wanted to come home. I wonder if here was any form of abuse at this group home.....? Could it be he was hurt there or worse even killed there and it was covered up?
dynoguy88 02-21-2004, 08:10 PM There's not a doubt in my mind that he was attempting to go home when he ran away from the hospital. The scary part is, I don't think his mind left him with much hope that he could survive on his own.
Unfortunately, I don't think he lived too long after he escaped. I also don't think he was abducted. It's just a very sad story.
:(
canadianmysterygrl 02-21-2004, 10:03 PM It's so terrible. I could tell how much his family loved him.
SitcomsAreTheWay 02-23-2004, 11:59 PM Originally posted by canadianmysterygrl
I'm not sure Gordon would have had th ability to be angry per sey but I think he might have disliked the place and wanted to come home. I wonder if here was any form of abuse at this group home.....? Could it be he was hurt there or worse even killed there and it was covered up?
I'm unsure but I just hope that someone had taken him in back then and is still taking care of him to this day.
connieallbright 03-06-2004, 06:59 PM i think because he is autistic that it is likely that he landed in a homeless shelter or another group home (perhaps he was unable to communicate his name or information).
unsolvedfan4life 03-28-2004, 04:35 PM :( yeah I have been watching this case alot this week. I really hope that he is somewhere safe and maybe one day he will be reunited with his family. What a great update it would make if he was found and returned to his family. I really hope, but it is been too long. This is one case that will haunt me forever. It is so sad.
SitcomsAreTheWay 03-30-2004, 07:05 PM Originally posted by unsolvedfan4life
:( yeah I have been watching this case alot this week. I really hope that he is somewhere safe and maybe one day he will be reunited with his family. What a great update it would make if he was found and returned to his family. I really hope, but it is been too long. This is one case that will haunt me forever. It is so sad.
I know. :(
Bluejay 07-01-2004, 03:25 AM As an Asperger's autistic who has worked with severely impaired Kanner's (classic) autistics, I can tell you that autistic people are capable of the same emotions as anyone else; it's a matter of being able to express those feelings in a way that non-autistic people can understand.
http://www.autistics.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
As far as my theory of what happened to Gordon Page, I think that if he'd been taken in by another group home or shelter, he would have identified himself. I'm guessing he died of exposure and will never be found. I hope that I'm wrong.
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ETA Feb. 23, 2012. Looking at my records I was not diagnosed with Asperger syndrome but straight-ahead autism, just of a non-Kanner type. There are more types or styles of autism out here than just those two, even the doctors know that now. That's why they're getting rid of the "Asperger syndrome" diagnosis as a separate thing in the DSM.
connieallbright 07-01-2004, 09:26 AM I worry that he might have simply gotten lost in the system. Over and over, you hear the horror stories of people being labelled as non-communicative because they speak Czech or have a pronounced stutter. Or someone will start calling them Joe and they will go along with it.
My mother works as a social worker and recently placed an older man in a group home. The fellow has schizophrenia and had maintained for years that he was without a family. When he arrived at the group home, my mother noticed a man who looked identical to her patient. The two men walked up to each other and hugged. It turned out they were actually brothers. Both schizophrenic, both having spent most of their adult lives in mental institutions - no one involved with their cases could believe it as both men had told people that they didn't have any living relatives.
I hope Gordon is reunited with his family one day or the mystery of his disappearence will be solved.
JohnMill 07-01-2004, 11:38 AM didn't the composite they made to show how Page would look today make him look just like jesus?
Later.
SitcomsAreTheWay 07-01-2004, 08:21 PM The Gordon Page case reminds me of another autistic man by the name of Oded Gordon.
Fletch 07-03-2004, 06:53 AM Wow, I was thinking the same thing (about Oded Gordon)
That's really sad....and it's really strange that they both have "Gordon" in their names.
amandab1234 08-08-2011, 02:19 AM What do you think happened to poor Gordon Page?
I think sadly that he was killed by a nutcase while he was hitchhiking or that he wandered off into the woods and died. He might have been victim of a hit and run also. Sad sad case.
IMO, he ended up homeless and probably died of natural causes. :(
sharonite 08-08-2011, 11:12 AM I think we're all pretty much in agreement that Gordon was either a victim of exposure or of predatory forces. Sadly, those with disabilities constitute one of the most vulnerable populations of our society (along with children and the elderly). For that reason, I also believe Kristi Krebs and Patricia Meehan met fates similar to Gordon's. Such sad stories, all of them... :(
TheCars1986 08-08-2011, 12:33 PM I'd like to thing Gordon is alive and well, living at a group home or shelter, but unfortunately I find that unlikely. I think he would have been identified by now if he in fact were alive. I believe he died shortly after leaving the home to find his parents, most likely from exposure or possibly even a hit and run.
Mysteryphile 08-08-2011, 12:57 PM I'd like to thing Gordon is alive and well, living at a group home or shelter, but unfortunately I find that unlikely. I think he would have been identified by now if he in fact were alive. I believe he died shortly after leaving the home to find his parents, most likely from exposure or possibly even a hit and run.
I completely agree...although if it were a hit and run, wouldn't the body have been identified by now? I mean, how far could he have gotten?:(
TheCars1986 08-08-2011, 06:38 PM I completely agree...although if it were a hit and run, wouldn't the body have been identified by now? I mean, how far could he have gotten?:(
Not necessarily. IMO it's very possible that Gordon may have been classified as a "John Doe" if he had no ID on him, and if he possibly made it to an area where he was thought to be just another "transient" and slipped through the cracks.
Gelatinous Goo 08-09-2011, 12:23 AM It makes me so sad to know that some of his baseball cards were discovered near a highway overpass. That speaks volumes to me. Being autistic, those little pieces of cardboard likely meant nearly as much to Gordon as the love of his parents. It's a safe wager that he would have risked his life to keep those cards in his possession. It's so crystal clear to me: "I'm taking my cards and I'm going home to Mom and Dad!". How is there any other possible scenario? Gordon minus baseball cards equals an unthinkable situation.
Shamsky329 02-23-2012, 12:19 AM I see it's been awhile since this topic has been discussed. Which I feel is really sad. I would have thought a case like this would have received more public attention since it first aired back in 1994 on Unsolved Mysteries. Here is a facebook page devoted on finding Gordie, or at least finding out what happened to him since. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Where-...30388463644845
I'm not sure if his parents are still alive, but even if they aren't Gordie had two younger brothers, which today both would be in their early to mid 40's. I think if we can get more people to pay attention, more people will want to find Gordie. Then finally his family can get the answers they have been looking for, and even more importantly, Gordie himself! Please share the facebook page with friends.
1990 UM fan 02-23-2012, 02:44 AM Remember, Gordon was a highly functioning autistic, not a normal autisitic, so he could've probably made it on his own somehow. I have/had Asperger's syndrome, a form of highly functioning autism, and I get around just fine even though I wish I was a little more knowledgeable. Even if he became helpless and couldn't have taken care of himself after leaving the group home, I'm sure he could've found someone to take care of him.
I had read somewhere once where he was found alive many years later but never contacted his parents. Can anyone verify that?
Blackout 02-23-2012, 04:25 AM Being autistic, those little pieces of cardboard likely meant nearly as much to Gordon as the love of his parents.
holy crap youre autistic??
Shamsky329 02-23-2012, 09:24 AM http://www.facebook.com/pages/Where-is-Gordie/130388463644845
Had to repost the link to the facebook page, because it was broken. Should work now.
Bluejay 02-23-2012, 11:42 AM holy crap youre autistic??
You'd be surprised how many of us are out here. I was diagnosed autistic in my early 30s -- not Asperger Syndrome, plain autism.
I get around fine most of the time too. You should read Not Even Wrong: Adventures in Autism by Paul Collins.
I know just what Gelatinous Goo means about Gordie's baseball cards. I am in my early 50s and I still have things like that.
TheCars1986 02-23-2012, 02:03 PM Gordon minus baseball cards equals an unthinkable situation.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. Unless Gordon happened to be found by a good samaritan, I think he's probably dead.
Shamsky329 02-23-2012, 05:01 PM Unfortunately, I agree with you. Unless Gordon happened to be found by a good samaritan, I think he's probably dead.
It makes me wonder though, if he were dead, then I don't think he got all that far. Also with that said, if he didn't get very far, you would think they would have found him by now.
scc1222 02-24-2012, 05:02 AM how old would he be now?
TracyLynnS 02-24-2012, 10:01 AM how old would he be now?
His birthdate is April 15, 1963. He would be 49 years old soon.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/page_gordon.html
Necco 02-24-2012, 10:56 AM I see he's been ruled out as a possible identification of the Grateful Dead Jason Doe. I hope they used more than height to eliminate him.
https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6095
Gelatinous Goo 02-24-2012, 11:15 AM holy crap youre autistic??
Not me--Gordon.
Shamsky329 02-24-2012, 02:24 PM His birthdate is April 15, 1963. He would be 49 years old soon.
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/page_gordon.html
How old would you say his parents are? I know both of his brothers are younger than him, One would still be in his younger 40's, the other in his mid 40's. I wish there was a way we could get in contact with them.
1990 UM fan 02-24-2012, 04:21 PM I wish they'd give us an age progression photo of him so we can know what he might look like today in case someone notices him someday if he is in fact alive.
TracyLynnS 02-24-2012, 05:05 PM How old would you say his parents are? I know both of his brothers are younger than him, One would still be in his younger 40's, the other in his mid 40's. I wish there was a way we could get in contact with them.
Completely a guess, but his parents are probably around age 75. Anyone have an real info on that?
Shamsky329 02-24-2012, 05:32 PM Completely a guess, but his parents are probably around age 75. Anyone have an real info on that?
I just checked on mylife.com and 75 is his current age.
His brothers names or Lance and Todd. And at the time of Gordie's disappearance they were 27 and 25. Today they would probably be 44 and 42! So it looks like we have something to work with, might not be much, but its a start.
Necco 02-24-2012, 05:38 PM Gordon Page, Sr is 75, Lance is 44, and Todd is 43 if my sleuthing is correct.
McBevis 02-25-2012, 01:30 PM Some people on this thread have stated that as a high-functioning autistic, Gordon could still be around, somehow making his way through life. That would be the best thing anybody could hope for, but based on some circumstances, I'm inclined to think that that's probably not the case. For starters, I think that if he ended up in the care of another person or facility, it seems unlikely that after so much time, nothing would surface to indicate that he was Gordon Page. Second, and I happen to be quite knowledgeable about stuff like this, most autistics that are high-functioning enough to be mostly independent are usually not placed in group homes, but rather given the opportunity to live alone in state-supervised apartments, where they are occasionally checked upon as needed but usually do not have people living with and/or taking care of them 24/7. So, I think that Gordon's autism may have been somewhat more severe than some people might think.
I think it is unlikely that he is still alive, though I don't think that there was any foul play involved. I think he wandered off, may have spent some time as a vagrant in a setting where no one knew him, or possibly lived in a homeless shelter for some time, but ultimately died as a result of probably having no place to live, no money and no real means of getting any.
spaceace 02-28-2012, 04:14 PM Such a sad case. I have always thought he probably died of exposure.
HennyLee13 01-12-2022, 10:17 AM I know its been year since anyone last commented on this thread, but here goes :)
I have been re-watching Unsolved Mysteries for like the 3rd time - and so here I am on sitcoms online - a decade after everyone else... ha!
I have thought like many on here that Gordon was probably a victim of foul play while trying to get home - or that he succumb to the elements....
However, This last time watching it I was wondering - could something have happened at the facility/group home that he was placed in and there was a cover up? As they talked about in the segment he did not respond well to the medications he was given. Could he have acted out and they tried to restrain him and there was an accident? Or could there have been abuse or something at the facility?
Maybe a stretch - but could be a possibility ?
my heart always broke for his parents :(
dynoguy88 01-12-2022, 11:26 AM I know its been year since anyone last commented on this thread, but here goes :)
I have been re-watching Unsolved Mysteries for like the 3rd time - and so here I am on sitcoms online - a decade after everyone else... ha!
I have thought like many on here that Gordon was probably a victim of foul play while trying to get home - or that he succumb to the elements....
However, This last time watching it I was wondering - could something have happened at the facility/group home that he was placed in and there was a cover up? As they talked about in the segment he did not respond well to the medications he was given. Could he have acted out and they tried to restrain him and there was an accident? Or could there have been abuse or something at the facility?
Maybe a stretch - but could be a possibility ?
my heart always broke for his parents :(
The Page family were victims of unfortunate timing, since the time Gordon Jr. grew up to the time they were able to finally get a diagnosis there was so little known about autism. They seemed like incredibly nice people who were given different, and sometimes outright bad, advice on how to handle the situation.
Its terms of succumbing to elements, the weather wouldn't have been a major issue, as it was late May in Michigan. Historical weather records online say it was 78 degrees outside in Grand Rapids just two hours before Gordon was reported missing. There was no rain. So he wasn't exactly in danger of any long exposure to the cold.
As far as his medications are concerned, I thought the segment mentioned that he was off them by the time he reached the home. In fact, being off the medications was part of the process that involved him getting properly diagnosed.
A coverup at any type of facility is not at all farfetched. But some type of tragic accident and coverup inside the group home wouldn't explain the possible sighting of Gordon around 1:00 a.m., where a fireman saw a man matching his description not far from the home hitchhiking to I-96, one hour after the midnight bed checks.
Foul play is always a very strong possibility when hitchhiking is involved.
LooksLikeCRicci 01-12-2022, 11:52 AM I know its been year since anyone last commented on this thread, but here goes :)
I have been re-watching Unsolved Mysteries for like the 3rd time - and so here I am on sitcoms online - a decade after everyone else... ha!
I have thought like many on here that Gordon was probably a victim of foul play while trying to get home - or that he succumb to the elements....
However, This last time watching it I was wondering - could something have happened at the facility/group home that he was placed in and there was a cover up? As they talked about in the segment he did not respond well to the medications he was given. Could he have acted out and they tried to restrain him and there was an accident? Or could there have been abuse or something at the facility?
Maybe a stretch - but could be a possibility ?
my heart always broke for his parents :(
Welcome! :wave:
Yeah, this case is a heartbreaker and a sentimental favorite for a lot of folks on these boards. I always liked Gordon Page, Sr. He seemed like such a caring father who really regretted leaving Gordie that day. But how would he have known? He was doing what he thought was best.
I think the theory of a cover-up is definitely plausible, although like Dynoguy said before me, the chances of foul play while hitchhiking are also pretty good. I'd argue that someone like Gordie may have presented "an easy mark" for someone to try to steal his wallet, etc....
I wish we could get some answers on this case.
HennyLee13 01-12-2022, 01:26 PM dynoguy88 & LooksLikeCRicci - Thanks for responding ! I am so late to the message board game I wasn't sure anyone would see my posts! lol
You are no doubt both likely correct.
And yes I know mine could be a stretch - But I have always wondered.
I do know that there was the Hitchhiking sighting of him - but I figured could it have NOT been him.
As many have said most likely he was a victim of foul play. So Heartbreaking.
His parents were by far some of the most sincere and visibly shaken by the events. I see Gordon Sr Passed in 2018 - and his obituary lists Gordon JR as surviving him :( I always hope when people pass they somehow get all the answers they have sought in their lifetime.
TheCars1986 01-12-2022, 01:42 PM UM was very vague about certain details in this case. The UM Wiki links this (https://crimeblogger1983.blogspot.com/2017/08/quick-entry-2-missing-gordon-thomas.html) website which features articles about Gordon's disappearance. UM didn't mention it, but Gordon smashed a window to escape. An hour later, he was seen hitchhiking near I-96. I also seem to remember the segment mentioning the baseball cards being found under an overpass, but neither the Stack or Farina version mention this on Filmrise. One of the articles on the website linked above says that Gordon was spotted by a police officer on I-96 near Lansing. This (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Panther+Ridge+Apartments,+5464+60th+St+SE,+Grand+Rapids,+MI+49512/42.7988714,-84.7004563/@42.3858807,-84.602266,8z/data=!4m9!4m8!1m5!1m1!1s0x88184bf87a04a78f:0x669b867f9d169a74!2m2!1d-85.5303116!2d42.8539152!1m0!3e0) is how far away his group home was from Lansing. This means he had to have gotten a ride from someone. Hopefully that someone was a good Samaritan who dropped Gordon off where he could be cared for. If he was hitchhiking and telling people he needed to get back to his father, who was in Florida at the time, who knows where he could have ended up.
Killarney Rose 01-12-2022, 04:28 PM Cars, your post makes it seem likely he could’ve met a nefarious fate while trying to hitchhike to FL.
MediaHoarder 01-12-2022, 04:33 PM Given the time that has elapsed, highly likely that he met with foul play at some point after he went missing.
Calliope68 01-12-2022, 08:24 PM I know its been year since anyone last commented on this thread, but here goes :)
I have been re-watching Unsolved Mysteries for like the 3rd time - and so here I am on sitcoms online - a decade after everyone else... ha!
I have thought like many on here that Gordon was probably a victim of foul play while trying to get home - or that he succumb to the elements....
However, This last time watching it I was wondering - could something have happened at the facility/group home that he was placed in and there was a cover up? As they talked about in the segment he did not respond well to the medications he was given. Could he have acted out and they tried to restrain him and there was an accident? Or could there have been abuse or something at the facility?
Maybe a stretch - but could be a possibility ?
my heart always broke for his parents :(
I also wondered if this may have happened. He was very agitated and was trying to get in the car when his father left. I have always wondered if this continued and escalated which resulted in the broken window. And maybe in trying to retrain him he was injured which resulted in his death and they covered it up. Wouldn't be the 1st time this has happened in a mental facility.
The only thing that makes we wondered is the baseball cards under the bridge(which do remember both RS and Farina mentioning in the segment). If they really were his maybe he did leave the facility. As for the witnesses- wouldn't be the 1st or last time there were mistaken.
TheCars1986 01-13-2022, 08:21 AM Cars, your post makes it seem likely he could’ve met a nefarious fate while trying to hitchhike to FL.
Possibly. But why? Gordon wouldn't have had anything on him for someone looking to commit a crime of opportunity. I think it's just as likely that someone dropped him off somewhere and he wandered off and passed away.
Killarney Rose 01-13-2022, 11:36 AM Possibly. But why? Gordon wouldn't have had anything on him for someone looking to commit a crime of opportunity. I think it's just as likely that someone dropped him off somewhere and he wandered off and passed away.
I believe if someone picked him up, that it could’ve happened either way. There are some crazy mean people in this world who could’ve harmed him because he didn’t have anything of value on him.
Could have been hit by a car and his body dumped somewhere. Could have been hit, but not killed, then walked away and died somewhere. Body yet to be found. Maybe he walked into who knows where, slipped and fell 30 or 50 feet to his death, and still hasn't been found.
Since he had Autism, he very well could have started out hitchhiking, but I don't know how long he could have kept that up. Don't know if he would have been able to say where he was going. Don't think he could have maintained much of a coherent conversation for any length of time before he was dropped off some place.
I think it's more likely that he died somehow, accidentally, and his body was just never found.
Years ago I accidentally stumbled upon some awful website. This was in the early 2000's, before The Charley Project, etc. It was for some county in some state that listed unidentified remains in hopes of identifying them. Some were little more than a jaw bone, or a clavicle and scapula. A few couldn't be determined to be male or female. Some had composite drawings made based on partial skulls recovered. I thought those were hard to look at, then I accidentally clicked on a link for some county somewhere in New England, with post mortem photos of homicide victims right on the first page! This had to be 20 years ago now (or more) and I can't get a few of those images out of my head!
I guess my point is, it's possible that Gordon died somewhere and there wasn't much recovered, if anything.
Gelatinous Goo 01-15-2022, 09:46 AM However, This last time watching it I was wondering - could something have happened at the facility/group home that he was placed in and there was a cover up? As they talked about in the segment he did not respond well to the medications he was given. Could he have acted out and they tried to restrain him and there was an accident?
Sadly, this theory is the most logical out of any of the guesses presented thus far. I'm amazed that this speculation hadn't been brought up until now--at least to my recollection.
jOHnNyD 01-16-2022, 07:33 PM I always wondered if he just ended up in the Great Lakes and drowned. This could be the case whether he headed towards Chicago or Detroit. If he ended up in Lansing and kept hitchhiking east, he could have easily ended up in Detroit and for a number of unfortunate reasons ended up at the bottom of Lake Erie.
XCalibur 02-27-2022, 04:26 PM What if Gordie trespassed on someone's land and got shot? Remember he was over six feet tall, had issues with communication, and was likely in a very poor state of mind having just broke out of a group home. He could have easily been perceived as a threat by someone who did not know him or his story if he wandered on to someone's property acting strangely. Then maybe the property owner was afraid to tell the police and buried him, then imagine they later saw the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast and his story, and are now to ashamed to come forward? I could see that easily happening. We know Gordon's story, but imagine if you saw him on your property and you didn't know his story? that would probably make anyone a little leery.
Just a theory though. But the problem I have with the exposure theory is that if Gordon had enough mental capacity to hitchhike he probably knew not to go off into the woods.
Either way sadly I think he is no longer with us or he'd have turned up somewhere by now.
infinityluxe 02-27-2022, 07:15 PM This was one of those cases where I always hoped he would have been found in a group home living as a John Doe decades later. However; Gordon had very unique features being 6'3 and a red head. So the chances of that are slim.
I think that group home should have been investigated. They could have planeted the baseball cards. Who reports random baseball cards under a bridge to the police? Nobody.
Perhaps a restraint got out of hand and he could have been accidentally killed and it was covered up. That is what I am going to go with. Gordon was a very big man and it likely took a lot of force to restrain him. Sometimes if you don't know what you are doing it is easy to suffocate someone; especially someone who can't communicate they can't breathe.
Labonte18 03-02-2022, 02:59 PM This was one of those cases where I always hoped he would have been found in a group home living as a John Doe decades later. However; Gordon had very unique features being 6'3 and a red head. So the chances of that are slim.
I think that group home should have been investigated. They could have planeted the baseball cards. Who reports random baseball cards under a bridge to the police? Nobody.
Perhaps a restraint got out of hand and he could have been accidentally killed and it was covered up. That is what I am going to go with. Gordon was a very big man and it likely took a lot of force to restrain him. Sometimes if you don't know what you are doing it is easy to suffocate someone; especially someone who can't communicate they can't breathe.
He was spotted afterwards hitchhiking.. By a fireman.. Decently reliable source.
He escaped.. How far he made it.. Another story.
On 96, between Grand Rapids and Lansing.. There's alot of places to disappear for various reasons.
I don't really immediately look to the foul play angle. He was autistic.. Very easily could have gotten himself in over his head trying to get from one place to another.
Is foul play possible? Of course. Likely? Eh.
And I think he's dead, because I think it's decently apparent he would be in a home.. and the way insurance/payments and all that work.. I don't think he's in one anonymously.
TheCars1986 03-07-2022, 09:57 AM The distance from where he disappeared to where he was spotted by a police officer was approximately 50 miles. He had to have gotten a ride with someone. I did find out that his previous address was in Wisconsin, and was 4 and a half hours south and then west from where the group home was. Lansing, where he was spotted by the police officer, was east from the group home. So I think he was telling whoever gave him a ride that he needed to go to Florida.
Latka Gravas 03-07-2022, 05:04 PM I suspect that GP just wandered out of the group home & ended up homeless somewhere, or possibly ended up in a shelter/another group home. However, it's unfortunately more likely that he's deceased. I'm not surprised he has never been found. I.e., since he himself wouldn't have been able to contact his parents & since he probably didn't have any contact information (for his family) on his person, it seems evident that he probably just slipped through the cracks somewhere. Very tragic.
Labonte18 03-07-2022, 05:24 PM The distance from where he disappeared to where he was spotted by a police officer was approximately 50 miles. He had to have gotten a ride with someone. I did find out that his previous address was in Wisconsin, and was 4 and a half hours south and then west from where the group home was. Lansing, where he was spotted by the police officer, was east from the group home. So I think he was telling whoever gave him a ride that he needed to go to Florida.
Honestly.. Depending on when he was spotted.. Not necessarily. At an average pace of 4 mph, it'd take about 12 and a half hours to travel that distance.
For the common person, we'd have been dragging well before then.. But.. Someone who could be.. Somewhat manic.. Might not even bat an eye at it.
rusty spike 03-07-2022, 06:11 PM There's a lot of mentioning the act of hitchhiking, but it's possible that Gordon was just walking along the road trying to go somewhere. I think most of us envision the classic image of a person walking backwards attempting to thumb a ride, but I don't think Gordon was doing that. I think he was walking down the road upset, manic and perhaps someone stopped and gave him a ride or tried to.
There's a transient lady in my neighboring town who may be mentally ill, if not emotionally disturbed. Throughout the week she ends up walking several miles along a road. I wouldn't classify it as hitchhiking as she just happens to be walking all over the road.
So many good ideas and theories about Gordon in this thread. I wish we knew what became of him.
Labonte18 03-07-2022, 07:20 PM There's a lot of mentioning the act of hitchhiking, but it's possible that Gordon was just walking along the road trying to go somewhere. I think most of us envision the classic image of a person walking backwards attempting to thumb a ride, but I don't think Gordon was doing that. I think he was walking down the road upset, manic and perhaps someone stopped and gave him a ride or tried to.
There's a transient lady in my neighboring town who may be mentally ill, if not emotionally disturbed. Throughout the week she ends up walking several miles along a road. I wouldn't classify it as hitchhiking as she just happens to be walking all over the road.
So many good ideas and theories about Gordon in this thread. I wish we knew what became of him.
I don't disagree. and my 4mph is a pretty average pace. Not running or anything like that. A somewhat brisk walking pace. I certainly think he could have covered 50 miles in 12 hours.
Now, if he was spotted there 2 hours after he disappeared.. Not a chance. He had to have had a ride.
I think he was walking to get away from that place, get to his parents.. Eventually, he would tire.. He'd need to rest.. I believe it was April/May when he 'escaped'.. So, I don't think the temps would necessarily lead to death from exposure at that point, but.. I also don't know what the average weather is like in Michigan at that time or what it was on the days he was missing.
Not hard to imagine him walking down the interstate.. Goes over to sleep in the woods.. Passes away from exposure. Again, that route looks pretty.. Rural. So, while I'm surprised, i'm not overly shocked at him not being found. We just had another case here.. Second one in as many weeks where a body was found years later just off the interstate. And we're talking I-85 heading to Atlanta.. a VERY busy stretch of road.
TheCars1986 03-08-2022, 08:48 AM Honestly.. Depending on when he was spotted.. Not necessarily. At an average pace of 4 mph, it'd take about 12 and a half hours to travel that distance.
For the common person, we'd have been dragging well before then.. But.. Someone who could be.. Somewhat manic.. Might not even bat an eye at it.
A family friend says that they saw a man who looked like Gordon in Athens, Ohio three years after his disappearance. The guy knew Gordon, and he was spotted walking towards a car dealership where Gordon used to work. I strongly suspect he is dead as an unidentified John Doe somewhere, unfortunately. But I don't think it necessarily had to be foul play either.
Labonte18 03-08-2022, 01:06 PM A family friend says that they saw a man who looked like Gordon in Athens, Ohio three years after his disappearance. The guy knew Gordon, and he was spotted walking towards a car dealership where Gordon used to work. I strongly suspect he is dead as an unidentified John Doe somewhere, unfortunately. But I don't think it necessarily had to be foul play either.
And.. He knew he was missing.. Saw who he thought was him and.. What? Called the family at some point afterwards?
Something stinks about that. Wouldn't you go up to him, talk to him, call the cops, do something?
TheCars1986 03-08-2022, 01:14 PM And.. He knew he was missing.. Saw who he thought was him and.. What? Called the family at some point afterwards?
Something stinks about that. Wouldn't you go up to him, talk to him, call the cops, do something?
The person called the cops and reported what he saw. The article was very brief, but said:
A family friend said another friend reported seeing a man resembling Page, walking with a crutch and carrying a small bag as he crossed the street near a car dealership that his family owned during the 1970s. Page, 31, worked there as a teen.
Gordon fled the home on May 26th, 1991. He had no cash or identification on him. People reported seeing a man resembling Gordon hitchhiking shortly after his disappearance on I-96. The baseball card collection was found 6 weeks after his disappearance under an overpass on I-96. He was seen in Lansing in July of 1991. Three years later is when the family friend thinks they spot him in Ohio. And if that was him, he had to have been interacting with people somehow and getting food and shelter.
Labonte18 03-08-2022, 03:00 PM The person called the cops and reported what he saw. The article was very brief, but said:
Gordon fled the home on May 26th, 1991. He had no cash or identification on him. People reported seeing a man resembling Gordon hitchhiking shortly after his disappearance on I-96. The baseball card collection was found 6 weeks after his disappearance under an overpass on I-96. He was seen in Lansing in July of 1991. Three years later is when the family friend thinks they spot him in Ohio. And if that was him, he had to have been interacting with people somehow and getting food and shelter.
No, a friend of a family friend reported seeing him. He was POSSIBLY last seen in Lansing in July of 1991.
None of these are confirmed.
Remember the Lisa Kimmell case? "Lil Miss" license plate on her black Honda CRX?
Hundreds of sightings of her and her car from all over the NW USA and Canada in the days after her disappearance. One of which was by a seemingly reliable source, the wife of a county sheriff.
Then they found her car buried on someone's property and she (and her car) was kidnapped, taken there and never left until he dumped her body. All those people were wrong.
"Eyewitnesses" are massively unreliable. Moreso with identifying people, but as this case proves, even in identifying a car with a specific, memorable license plate.
TheCars1986 03-08-2022, 04:10 PM No, a friend of a family friend reported seeing him. He was POSSIBLY last seen in Lansing in July of 1991.
This person knew Gordon and was a member of the family of the car dealership where he worked.
None of these are confirmed.
Which is why I said "if" it was him.
"Eyewitnesses" are massively unreliable. Moreso with identifying people, but as this case proves, even in identifying a car with a specific, memorable license plate.
Yes, they are. However, there were multiple people who gave a description of a man hitchhiking on I-96, wearing the same clothes he was purported to have been wearing when he broke out of the home, and a baseball card collection with his 3 favorite players prominently displayed was found below an underpass on I-96. This is more than just eyewitness evidence.
Labonte18 03-08-2022, 05:21 PM This person knew Gordon and was a member of the family of the car dealership where he worked.
Which is why I said "if" it was him.
Yes, they are. However, there were multiple people who gave a description of a man hitchhiking on I-96, wearing the same clothes he was purported to have been wearing when he broke out of the home, and a baseball card collection with his 3 favorite players prominently displayed was found below an underpass on I-96. This is more than just eyewitness evidence.
Yeah, weren't those three cards found like 6 months later? Or perhaps longer than that?
It's interesting information, but proves nothing.
And, as someone previously mentioned.. Who the hell sees baseball cards laying on the ground and says "Hey, call the cops, it's that missing guy"?
The baseball cards sound far more like someone going "Oh, yeah, I found...." after the fact. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't. They could be mistaken, they could be some of the random nutso people who try to get involved in a case and provide false information.
Did he make it to Lansing? Maybe. Further than that? Unlikely. I suspect he didn't make it as far as Lansing before whatever happened to him, happened.
I'd be searching a mile 'inland' from the interstate on the way to Lansing. My suspicion is.. That's where he is and where he has been. I would not be overly surprised to find that he was struck by a vehicle while walking along the interstate. Maybe killed him instantly and knocked him off the roadway.. Maybe hurt him, he hunkered down and passed away back in the woods. I can certainly see someone hitting him, perhaps after dusk, not realizing they hit a person.. Thought it was a deer, and continued on. Or.. If we want to be cynical, I also wouldn't be surprised if someone hit him accidentally, knew it was a person, and just continued on.
TheCars1986 03-08-2022, 06:06 PM Yeah, weren't those three cards found like 6 months later? Or perhaps longer than that?
The cards were found weeks after he went missing.
And, as someone previously mentioned.. Who the hell sees baseball cards laying on the ground and says "Hey, call the cops, it's that missing guy"?
My guess is someone stumbled onto it, turned it in to the police, and the connection to Gordon was made later.
The baseball cards sound far more like someone going "Oh, yeah, I found...." after the fact. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't. They could be mistaken, they could be some of the random nutso people who try to get involved in a case and provide false information.
They had the cards because it was specifically mentioned that Gordon's favorite three players' cards were displayed differently than the rest.
Labonte18 03-08-2022, 11:01 PM The cards were found weeks after he went missing.
My guess is someone stumbled onto it, turned it in to the police, and the connection to Gordon was made later.
They had the cards because it was specifically mentioned that Gordon's favorite three players' cards were displayed differently than the rest.
So.. Why would he leave them? as I recall, baseball cards and the stats on them, were an obsession of his.. Seems.. unlikely that he'd leave them. I can't find where they were found, just 'under an overpass' that had exits leading to Detroit and Chicago. Assumption is that it was I-96.. Don't know for sure.
But.. How long are baseball cards going to last, sitting out, under an overpass? Cars going by.. Wind whipping under it.. Something just doesn't sit right about it. Who found those cards? That's something I'd be interested in.
Anyway.. I can't prove that I'm right, that you're wrong or anywhere in between. I just.. Don't believe most of the sightings because.. They are rarely accurate. Could they have been? Well, yes. But i'd put far more value into a theory that he's dead on the side of the interstate. Even if I subscribe to the idea that he made it quite a ways.. I'd say he was dead and an unclaimed body buried in a paupers cemetery somewhere.
There is just.. Only a hair above zero chance of him still being alive in my mind. And the most likely outcome was a quick death after his escape. The only reason I leave that possibility open is.. Hey. Anything is possible. Most things just aren't very likely.
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