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MonarC
02-06-2004, 10:26 PM
From Fresh Prince To Outkast: How Hip-Hop Took Over The Grammys

Rappers land 6 of 10 nominations for Album, Record of the Year.
by Joseph Patel, with additional reporting by Corey Moss

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The story line of this year's Grammy Awards became evident the minute the nominees' names were announced by Pharrell, Moby, Evanescence's Amy Lee and the other celebrities in attendance: Hip-hop has invaded the Grammys.

In the five years since Lauryn Hill took home the Album of the Year honor for her folksy solo effort, The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, hip-hop has steadily increased its presence at the annual music celebration. But this year's developments are especially head-turning: Six of the 10 total nominations for Album and Record of the Year are by hip-hop artists, the most ever (see "Jay-Z, Beyonce, Outkast, Pharrell Nab Most Grammy Nominations"). For the 46th annual Grammy Awards, hip-hop didn't just come knockin', it bum-rushed the door, kicked up its feet and called the place home.

It hasn't always been like this, of course. Rap music wasn't recognized as its own category until the 1989 ceremony (honoring music released in 1988), even though the genre already had its mainstream success stories — Run-DMC, Beastie Boys and LL Cool J, to name a few. The rap category back then was limited to only one award — Best Performance — that didn't differentiate between solo artist or group, male or female.

In addition, even as hip-hop was quickly establishing itself as a burgeoning pop-culture phenomenon, the bestowment of its award wasn't televised, instead relegated to the pre-show portion of the ceremony. Will Smith, a.k.a. the Fresh Prince, and his partner, DJ Jazzy Jeff, won Best Rap Performance that first year, but they boycotted the event because of the perceived slight. "We got straight A's, we're selling plenty of albums and we're making an impact," Smith told MTV that year. "We think we're being denied what is rightfully ours."

Young MC would accept the award the following year — on camera — before rap disappeared from prime time again for a couple of years. A second rap category was introduced in 1991, Best Rap Solo Performance. The winner? MC Hammer for "U Can't Touch This." Indeed, even as rap's stature was beginning to increase in the eyes of the Grammy committee, the nominations early on tended to acknowledge hip-pop over hip-hop — DJ Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince, Young MC, Sir Mix-A-Lot and Salt-N-Pepa were nominees over groups now considered hip-hop legends. "A Tribe Called Quest should have got a Grammy because it was groundbreaking," Pharrell Williams recently said. "[Nas'] Illmatic deserves to be recognized. [Jay-Z's] Reasonable Doubt deserves to be recognized. Wu-Tang Clan's first album deserves to be recognized."

Through the mid and late 1990s, that situation started to improve with at least a handful of hip-hop artists championed by the streets earning recognition in the rap awards. In 1996, Method Man's duet with Mary J. Blige, "I'll Be There for You/ You're All I Need to Get By," was a radio hit, a club banger — and a Grammy winner. That same year, even though Naughty by Nature won the Best Rap Album of the Year award (the first year the award was given), Tupac and rambunctious rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard were nominated as well. ODB — Grammy nominee! Of course, in 1998 and 1999, Will Smith would win Best Rap Solo Performance for his sugary pop hits "Men in Black" and "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It."

The true measure of hip-hop's success could only happen once it penetrated the general music categories of Album and Record of the Year. That didn't occur until 1996, when Coolio was nominated for Record of the Year for his song "Gangsta's Paradise." Three years later, it would be Hill's victory for Album of the Year that would announce hip-hop's arrival at the adult table. Even though she was portrayed by the Grammys more as an R&B singer than a hip-hop artist, hers was a victory for the rap genre with which she still identified. "This is crazy 'cause this is hip-hop music, you know what I mean?" she said, almost disbelievingly, when accepting her Album of the Year prize.

Her victory signaled the convergence between hip-hop and the mainstream, and the Grammys would never be the same again. Eminem's arrival would earn him a Best Album nomination in 2001 and 2003, and he won Best Rap Album for each of his three LPs in 2000, 2001 and 2003 (while his duet with Elton John at the Grammys in 2001 would prove to be a historic moment for the ceremony). Outkast would follow suit with nominations in 2002 for both Album and Record of the Year, for their breakout album, Stankonia, and its hit single, "Ms. Jackson."

All of which culminates in this year's spate of awards, where Missy Elliott and Outkast battle with Evanescence, Justin Timberlake and the White Stripes for Album of the Year; and Outkast, Eminem, the Black Eyed Peas and Beyoncé with Jay-Z look to take home the trophy for Record of the Year (with Coldplay as the lone rock entry).

"This is a reflection of culture in America today," said Neil Portnow, president of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences. "Hip-hop is not just something on the outside, it's in the mainstream. You know when Madison Avenue embraces any genre for advertising purposes and when the style and clothing are available everywhere that you really hit the mainstream. So hip-hop belongs where it is."

Still, things aren't pitch perfect. "50 [Cent] ain't got nominated for Album of the Year? Are y'all serious?!" an indignant Kanye West asked recently when told who this year's nominees were. Indeed, 50 Cent is up for five nominations this year, including Best New Artist and Best Rap Album. But his major-label debut, Get Rich or Die Tryin', sold the most copies of any album released in 2003, and he was left off the shortlist of Best Album nominees. 50's lead single, "In Da Club," was recently acknowledged as the most ubiquitous radio single of the year and it was left off the list of potential Records of the Year. This while still earning the ovation of critics, as well.

Overlooking 50 Cent may have as much to do with the way Grammy voters perceive him as anything else. Perhaps they are less inclined to bestow honors on artists who find their success so quickly and suddenly, and who express the violent, brazenly sexual themes that 50 does. After all, even though Eminem swept the rap categories, he wasn't considered for the major Album and Record of the Year awards until his second straight multiplatinum LP — when the phenomenon of Eminem was too strong to deny him recognition. All of which shows that no matter how forcefully hip-hop took its place in the Grammys' house this year, it can still find room to get more comfortable.

This report is provided by MTV News

Steve M.
02-06-2004, 10:34 PM
Political correctness also has something to do with it. No one wants to say anything bad about rap or hip-hop because they don't want to be perceived as being racist for criticizing a mostly black genre. Like witer Joe Queenan says, do really believe white, middle-aged rock critics who write for the New York Times actually like the hip-hop recrods they write glowing reviews on? Sure, and Justin Timberlake is a punk rocker.

MonarC
02-06-2004, 10:39 PM
Rock Music is just dead right now. What happened to ROCK? :rock:

Steve M.
02-06-2004, 10:58 PM
I'm sure the Strokes and the White Stripes would get more attention if the record industry wanted to give them some, but right now they're too busy pushing MTV-friendly product like hip-hop and teen pop. Say, how come there's no band version of "American Idol?" :confused:

MonarC
02-06-2004, 11:15 PM
that's not a bad idea Steve. :)

Steve M.
02-06-2004, 11:19 PM
Thanks! :)

Dean Winchester
02-06-2004, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Steve M.
I'm sure the Strokes and the White Stripes would get more attention if the record industry wanted to give them some, but right now they're too busy pushing MTV-friendly product like hip-hop and teen pop. Say, how come there's no band version of "American Idol?" :confused:

actually, what we need is an updated version of something like Beavis And Butt-Head, after seeing the marathon on M2, it dawned on me how crappy artists didn't really start coming out of the woodwork until B&B ended in 97. Because for a period in the mid-90's, B&B deeming whether a band was "cool" or "sucked" could make or break an artist. So we didn't see groups like Backstreet, Hanson, Britney, J. Lo and Spice until B&B started winding down, and kids in America were once more drawn to whatever MTV said was cool

Unfortunately there has been a few band versions of AI, but they've been horrible. O-Town and Eden's Crush both were people who had tv shows that brought them together.

I think everything goes in cycles. I have no problem seeing Outkast doing well, because IMO they are original and they don't follow any said trends that most of their rivals do. Rock will eventually come back I think, hopefully. I miss the early 90's.

MonarC
02-06-2004, 11:29 PM
:lol: yeah Bevis and Butthead.... i miss them.

I think Outkast is really cool too. They are totally original.

Let's hope Rock will make a comeback soon. :guitar:

Rhiannon
02-07-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by MonarC
Rock Music is just dead right now. What happened to ROCK? :rock:

Yeah...Linkin PArk should get nominated or something...

Kay Scarpetta
02-07-2004, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by MonarC
Rock Music is just dead right now.

No, Rock music is still very much alive. It may not be alive in the mainstream, but in the true heart's of the rock fans, it's alive and it's never gonna die.

ABlairican Pie
02-07-2004, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by Kaffeine Kay
No, Rock music is still very much alive. It may not be alive in the mainstream, but in the true heart's of the rock fans, it's alive and it's never gonna die.

Hey, Hey, My, My (Into the Black)
Neil Young

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.

Out of the blue and into the black
You pay for this, but they give you that
And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black.

The king is gone but he's not forgotten
Is this the story of Johnny Rotten?
It's better to burn out 'cause rust never sleeps
The king is gone but he's not forgotten.

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.

Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution
AC/DC

Hey there, all you middle men
Throw away your fancy clothes
And while you’re out there sittin’ on a fence
So get off your ass and come down here
’cause rock ’n’ roll ain’t no riddle man
To me it makes good, good sense

Heavy decibels are playing on my guitar
We got vibrations coming up from the floor
We’re just listening to the rock that’s giving too much noise
Are you deaf, you wanna hear some more

We’re just talkin’ about the future
Forget about the past
It’ll always be with us
It’s never gonna die, never gonna die

Chorus:
Rock ’n’ roll ain’t noise pollution
Rock ’n’ roll ain’t gonna die
Rock ’n’ roll ain’t no pollution
Rock ’n’ roll it will survive

I took a look inside your bedroom door
You looked so good lying on your bed
Well, I asked you if you wanted any rhythm and love
You said you wanna rock ’n’ roll instead

We’re just talkin’ about the future
Forget about the past
It’ll always be with us
It’s never gonna die, never gonna die

Chorus

Rock ’n’ roll is just rock ’n’ roll

*Pleasant Tomorrow*
02-07-2004, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
actually, what we need is an updated version of something like Beavis And Butt-Head, after seeing the marathon on M2, it dawned on me how crappy artists didn't really start coming out of the woodwork until B&B ended in 97. Because for a period in the mid-90's, B&B deeming whether a band was "cool" or "sucked" could make or break an artist. So we didn't see groups like Backstreet, Hanson, Britney, J. Lo and Spice until B&B started winding down, and kids in America were once more drawn to whatever MTV said was cool


Yeah, I definately agree with that. I wish they'd bring Beavis and Butt-head back...I was just saying that today, too. Let that pop crap die. :D

Steve M.
02-07-2004, 10:51 PM
If you want to hear some of the latest rock, listen to Bob Harris on the BBC's Radio 2. He has a show every Saturday night from 5PM ET to 8PM ET, where he plays a lot of new stuff and claasic tracks. And he doesn't play any teen pop whatsoever! :)

To access the show, click here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/bobharris/)

Rock on! :rock: :guitar:

EricIdlefan
02-08-2004, 12:32 AM
Not really a big hip-hop music fan but love the song from the Rachel Leigh Cook - Freddie Prinze Jr movie "She's All That" where they were dancing to it at the prom scene!! Forgot the title but I have it on one of my blank CD's a cousin copied off for me!!

david&maddie4ever
02-08-2004, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Steve M.
Political correctness also has something to do with it. No one wants to say anything bad about rap or hip-hop because they don't want to be perceived as being racist for criticizing a mostly black genre.

I don't mind...HIP-HOP SUCKS! :cheer:

I like OutKast, though...at least "Hey Ya." :D

~Lauren

:sheep

tvje
02-08-2004, 03:22 PM
It will be a great night for Beyonce and Outkast. They will walk away with Grammy gold.

Dean Winchester
02-08-2004, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by david&maddie4ever
I don't mind...HIP-HOP SUCKS! :cheer:

I like OutKast, though...at least "Hey Ya." :D

~Lauren

:sheep

I agree!! on an AOL board once, I happened to make the comment that I hate hip hop, and one of the posters there then accused me of being racist and saying stuff like "you just don't like the thought of successful black men", when that is total bull. Then explain why I like Prince, Stevie, Marvin, Michael, Seal amongst others? I mean, Michael and Prince once ruled the pop charts the same way Nelly, Jay-Z and Ludacris do now, yet I didn't have any problem with them ruling the radio. Why? because I actually found their music redeeming, I don't with rappers. And race doesn't play a factor because I hate Eminem too.

Dean Winchester
02-08-2004, 03:37 PM
one thing I find funny is that rappers used to complain that their genre wasn't televised... I am a fan of club music, but how many dj's do you know moan because the Dance Music catagory is never televised? I like that style of music as much as a lot of hip hop fans like theirs, but I can accept that middle America doesn't want it

ABlairican Pie
02-08-2004, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by MonarC
:lol: yeah Bevis and Butthead.... i miss them.

I think Outkast is really cool too. They are totally original.

Let's hope Rock will make a comeback soon. :guitar:

Rock and roll will make a comeback when....record company executives realize THERE IS MORE TO MUSIC THAN MILKING THE TEEN QUEEN SILICONE CASH COWS FOR ALL THEIR WORTH.:mad: :cow: :cow: :dollar: Rock and roll is there, it's just the idiots at MTV, etc., choose to ignore it.

The Beatles were sure cute on the Ed Sullivan Show, but that wasn't the point, and everyone knew it: the REAL point was THE MUSIC.

TJL
02-08-2004, 05:59 PM
Rock is still around, although it's really hard to define Rock nowadays.
Pop and Hip Hop are big now, but musical tastes change.

Just as long as that crapass rap/rock dies soon.

Yeah you heard me Fred Durst, you suck!

;)

tvje
02-08-2004, 06:16 PM
Fans of true Hip Hop and Rock agree with you TJL, that type of music is inferror to real Hip Hop and real Rock. Maybe that will unite all Hip Hop and Rock fans. Maybe not.

david&maddie4ever
02-08-2004, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by BuffySlayer79
And race doesn't play a factor because I hate Eminem too.

So, so true. :nod: I hate Eminem more than any of them. :mad:

You like Seal? I think I've heard him on the radio once or twice, but I can't find samples of any of his songs. :o How's the CD? (If you have it.)

:D

~Lauren

:sheep

MonarC
02-08-2004, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Captain ABlairica
Rock and roll will make a comeback when....record company executives realize THERE IS MORE TO MUSIC THAN MILKING THE TEEN QUEEN SILICONE CASH COWS FOR ALL THEIR WORTH.:mad: :cow: :cow: :dollar: Rock and roll is there, it's just the idiots at MTV, etc., choose to ignore it.

The Beatles were sure cute on the Ed Sullivan Show, but that wasn't the point, and everyone knew it: the REAL point was THE MUSIC.

yeah!!!! :rock: :yourock:

Hollow
02-08-2004, 09:33 PM
i hope all the hip hop artists get killed.

Mr. Stefani
02-08-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by safety pin
i hope all the hip hop artists get killed.

Why? you once listened to it..can't be that bad if you once liked it.

Hollow
02-08-2004, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by Nirvana
Why? you once listened to it..can't be that bad if you once liked it.
because i hate them. die.

Dean Winchester
02-08-2004, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by safety pin
because i hate them. die.

lol, I won't go that far, but it is funny how they act towards rockers.

Like the way 50 Cent tried to take Evanescence's grammy from them earlier. And also the way you saw lots of rappers in the audience looking bored to tears when The White Stripes performed.... AS IF A LOT OF US AREN'T JUST AS BORED WHEN WE SEE HIP HOP PERFORMANCES???

Steve M.
02-08-2004, 10:24 PM
I'd like to offer a reply to that, but I don't want to get myself in trouble! :lol: