John Lennon

[Janice]

Okay, here's the deal. I have a problem with John Lennon, and I'll explain why. Over the years, I've read numerous interviews and articles on how John Lennon wasn't fair financially to his first wife Cynthia. She makes this claim.
Julian Lennon claims he rarely saw his father after his parents split. He was on Howard Stern about two years ago explaining how he had to fight tooth and nail with Yoko to get any of his father's money after his death. Stern was on a real rant about it, but Julian didn't seem bitter--just resigned after a lifetime of neglect. That was my read on that interview anyway. It was obvious he had no use for Yoko. He also didn't disagree with Stern.
I read that John left everything to Yoko and Sean. I could pull all this stuff on the web, but I'm too lazy.
I know there are some devoted Lennon fans here, and the last thing I want to do is fight about this.
What I'd like is to be proven wrong. I mean that. Is is untrue that John was an absentee father to Julian and didn't provide adequately for him financially as a child or after he died?
I think John was a musical genius and a lover of peace, and if all this is true, it doesn't make sense that he didn't care about his relationship with Julian.
If it's true, was it Yoko? Was he henpecked? Sorry for the antiquated term.
Please, don't anyone flame me. This has always irked me because I find that I can't respect John for these reasons.
Anybody care to change my mind? Thanks.

[Pitooey]

I hate to say this but, what Julian said was true. I remember this from the 60's. Julian used to feel so bad. When John married Yoko he hardly saw Julian. :(

[Crimson and Clover]

John was not there for Julian as much as he should have been and he had said that he felt bad about it thats why when he had Sean he took those five years off because he didnt want to treat another son that way. and Paul wrote Hey Jude for Julian during John and Cynthia's split, to try and make him feel better. After Johns death Julian wanted his guitars but Yoko did not want him to have them.

[sara]

It must've been really hard for Juilan to watch his dad take the time to be a father to Sean:( . I think that would hurt more than anything.

[ABlairican Pie]

I heard that John Lennon had left a big chunk of money for Julian but Yoko prevented him from getting it. It was a very sizable amount, but Yoko took control of it and wouldn't let him have any of HIS money until a court settlement allowed him to get a SMALL portion of it. Don't we just love Yoko.:mad:

It's like the Frank Zappa album says, "We're Only In It For the Money.":rolleyes:

[Penny Lane]

After I had read numerous books and articles about John's non-relationship with Julian I lost a lot of respect for him. And yes, Paul tried to fill in a little for him. I had always thought Paul was the better person of the two! But as a musician and a Beatle I still love John!:D

[AKA]

There's no excuse for John snubbing Julian like that, but toward the end of John's life (the last few years), their relationship started to get much better, and they started seeing each other and talking to each other a lot more often. John would fly Julian out to New York City a lot and have Julian stay at the Dakota for a few weeks. He was even getting along with Yoko. It wasn't until after John died that Julian and Yoko's relationship turned sour, and that has a lot to do with Yoko preventing money from getting to Julian.

Paul, as was mentioned above, tried to fill in a little bit. It's common knowledge that Julian is the "Jude" in "Hey Jude."

Here's a weird fact: Julian turned forty earlier this month. He's now as old as his dad got.

[Crimson and Clover]

i also have to add that at the time that John was killed him and Julian were just starting to get to know each other and getting a relationship, but it was interupted by M*** D**** C******.

[AKA]

Originally posted by Crimson_and_Clover
i also have to add that at the time that John was killed him and Julian were just starting to get to know each other and getting a relationship, but it was interupted by Mark David Chapman.

Shh! You musn't mention that name! They should put a script into these boards to censor it out. M*** D**** C******. Kind of like s***, p***, f***, c***, c***sucker, motherf*****, and t***.

[Janice]

Originally posted by AKA
Shh! You musn't mention that name! They should put a script into these boards to censor it out. M*** D**** C******. Kind of like s***, p***, f***, c***, c***sucker, motherf*****, and t***.
LOL, George Carlin would be proud. ;)
Didn't the monster C****** state that John would have understood him murdering him or some stupid thing like that?

[AKA]

Originally posted by Janice

LOL, George Carlin would be proud. ;)
Didn't the monster C****** state that John would have understood him murdering him or some stupid thing like that?

Yep. And I think he said Yoko understands, deep down inside.

The guy worshipped John Lennon. He even had an Asian wife, and after he offed John, he was going to try and win over the heart of Yoko.

He's up for parole every two years (this started in 2000, after he'd spent twenty years in prison). He's never going to make it out, and even if he does, there are probably thousands (if not millions) of people who will gladly "take him out" as he did John Lennon. ****ing *******.

[Crimson and Clover]

Originally posted by AKA


Shh! You musn't mention that name! They should put a script into these boards to censor it out. M*** D**** C******. Kind of like s***, p***, f***, c***, c***sucker, motherf*****, and t***.

ok ill edit and censor it myself

[Penny Lane]

Originally posted by AKA
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Here's a weird fact: Julian turned forty earlier this month. He's now as old as his dad got. [/B]




:eek:

[Penny Lane]

Julian

[Janice]

So who has the most musical talent, Julian or Sean or is it a matter of personal opinion?
I think Julian looks exactly like his Dad which must piss off his wicked stepmother to no end. :lol:

[Penny Lane]

Originally posted by Janice
So who has the most musical talent, Julian or Sean or is it a matter of personal opinion?
I think Julian looks exactly like his Dad which must piss off his wicked stepmother to no end. :lol:

Wicked stepmother.................... I love that!:lol:

Don't know much about Sean but I love Julian's songs! Man, he sounds like John!;)

[Penny Lane]

The family that John threw away!:(

[Janice]

Can you blame him? ;)

[AKA]

Originally posted by Janice
So who has the most musical talent, Julian or Sean or is it a matter of personal opinion?
I think Julian looks exactly like his Dad which must piss off his wicked stepmother to no end. :lol:

I like Julian, but I prefer Sean's music. He's only released one album so far, but a new one is on its way either this year or next.

Sean's also a dead ringer for John. This is a picture of him with his girlfriend Bijou Phillips (daughter of John Phillips) and his mom at the premiere of "The Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers."

[Crimson and Clover]

i like Julian and his music, but i like Seans music more.

plus look at how sexy he is^

[Janice]

I'll say that Sean is a dead ringer for his father. It's sort of strange how both he and Julian bear such a strong resemblence to John, yet don't strongly resemble each other, to me anyway.
I wonder why, having two sons, John didn't name one of them after himself?

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally posted by Janice
I'll say that Sean is a dead ringer for his father. It's sort of strange how both he and Julian bear such a strong resemblence to John, yet don't strongly resemble each other, to me anyway.
I wonder why, having two sons, John didn't name one of them after himself?

Sean is actually a version of the name John.

[AKA]

Originally posted by Janice
I'll say that Sean is a dead ringer for his father. It's sort of strange how both he and Julian bear such a strong resemblence to John, yet don't strongly resemble each other, to me anyway.
I wonder why, having two sons, John didn't name one of them after himself?

Julian's name is actually John Charles Julian Lennon.

[Janice]

Originally posted by AKA
Julian's name is actually John Charles Julian Lennon.
Thanks. Learn something new every day. I can't picture Julian being called anything but Julian.

[Penny Lane]

Originally posted by Janice
Can you blame him? ;)


:eek:

[AKA]

Julian could take the high road be the bigger man, but instead, Yoko and Sean are snubbed in the Lennon Family Tree at the www.lennon.net, a site run by Julian.

[Janice]

Originally posted by AKA
Julian could take the high road be the bigger man, but instead, Yoko and Sean are snubbed in the Lennon Family Tree at the www.lennon.net, a site run by Julian.
It strikes me as immature and/or bitter that he didn't include them considering he mentioned their names on other sections of the site. He obviously thinks of his parents and himself as a separate family unit, but you can't erase history. Sean's his brother. Does anyone know if they're close?

[AKA]

Originally posted by Janice

It strikes me as immature and/or bitter that he didn't include them considering he mentioned their names on other sections of the site. He obviously thinks of his parents and himself as a separate family unit, but you can't erase history. Sean's his brother. Does anyone know if they're close?

They might have been at one time, but I think they're estranged now, because of Julian's comments about Sean's mom.

[AKA]

I was listening to the interview CD that comes with the new "Lennon Legend" book, and in a snippet from 1980, John mentions regret about being a bad father to Julian. He was talking about being a househusband, and a very attentive father to five-year-old Sean, and he steered the conversation to Julian:

"But I don't buy that 'my career is so important that I'll deal with the kids later' bit, which I already did with my first marriage, and my first child, and I kind of regret it. My other son by my first marriage is seventeen [and] I don't remember seeing him as a child."

[Janice]

Thanks AKA. It's unfortunate that John wasn't able to bond with Julian sooner which is where their relationship seemed to be heading at the time of his death.
Sad to say, but it seems that some men's treatment of their children is based on their feelings for the mother.
John was wild over Yoko, so Sean was treated great.
John fell out of love with Cynthia, and Julian was brushed aside.