Actors/Actress Who Reached Greater Stardom Than Their More Talented Co-Stars

[TMC]

In case you're wondering, this is my personal opinion to help set an example:
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This got me thinking after watching bits and pieces of a 20th
anniversary TV special on ET. To put things in its proper perspective, one seriously has to wonder how and other-wise flakey (at least in real life if you take under consideration the stuff like drug abuse and Tom Green) supporting actress like Drew Barrymore managed to go onlanding high profile starring and even producing roles (e.g. Never Been Kissed and Charlie's Angels) over the actual (and not so scandal actracting) star of movie Henry Thomas. Perhaps the best that Thomas could do in the aftermath of making ET (*incoming spoiler*) wasliterally get his heart cut out in Legends of the Fall.

Should I even mention who one's geniune talent should be seriously reexamined if they reportedly turned out to be one of the few who required a dubbing in cases like singing (i.e. that one Woody Allen movie that Barrymore did)!? Another movie that comes to mind if you ask me is Star Wars in which some lowly, often dour acting carpenter like Harrison Ford go on to become one of the most bankable stars in showbiz over Mark Hamill, who seriously can show some range if you take under consideration his voice work (i.e. the Joker on Batman: The Animated Series). To a much lesser extent comes Alex Winter, who produced and starred in arguably the much underrated MTV program The Idiot Box being lossed in the shuffle of his Bill & Ted co-star Keanu "Whoa" Reeves, who of course went on to star in such blockbusters like Speed and The Matrix.

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[Janice]

The success or non-success of an actor depends on the viewing public and how they respond to the actor. The actors must have mass appeal to make the bigtime.
Regarding Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill--I personally wouldn't pay to see Hamill in a leading role, yet I will for Ford. Ford's got the box office draw because the public loves his work. Even if you or others don't agree, the majority of the people love his work. The moviegoers determine a star's bankability.
As for Drew Barrymore--what's her crime? She married an oddball comic, can't sing, and had drug issues that she overcame. I don't understand why she deserves a bashing for that. She had a rough childhood, awful parents, and it resulted in a drug problem. The only person she hurt was herself, yet she rose above it to become a fine young lady. I think she's very talented. I loved her in Riding in Cars with Boys. I think her star will continue to rise as she gets older and can take on more challenging roles. There's a sweetness about her that the public responds to. If she's more famous than what's-his-name Thomas from ET, then the reason is because she has starpower--the audience loves her more than they like him.
If Hamill or Thomas were more talented than their co-stars Ford and Barrymore, the public would have spotted this. They would be household names today, instead of the vague, "sounds familiar, but not quite sure who he is" actors that they are today.
What makes a big film star is that certain something--that star quality--it shines through on the big screen. It's rare, but either you have it or you don't--and you can't purchase it. Put simply, Ford and Barrymore have it, and Hamill and Thomas don't.
Over the years, certain TV actors have learned that, although the television audience may love them, they lack that star quality needed to be major film stars.
If an actor is a big film star, they've got what it takes--and the public wants them there--because the public put them there.

[TMC]

Originally posted by JanLady617
The success or non-success of an actor depends on the viewing public and how they respond to the actor. The actors must have mass appeal to make the bigtime.
Regarding Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill--I personally wouldn't pay to see Hamill in a leading role, yet I will for Ford. Ford's got the box office draw because the public loves his work. Even if you or others don't agree, the majority of the people love his work. The moviegoers determine a star's bankability.
As for Drew Barrymore--what's her crime? She married an oddball comic, can't sing, and had drug issues that she overcame. I don't understand why she deserves a bashing for that. She had a rough childhood, awful parents, and it resulted in a drug problem.

Let me get this straight, the real people who were responsible for her drug problem were her parents!? I could see, it now with an image of her mother feeding her Wiskey instead of milk from the baby bottle (give me a break). There's nobody to blame but herself!!!

The only person she hurt was herself, yet she rose above it to become a fine young lady. I think she's very talented. I loved her in Riding in Cars with Boys. I think her star will continue to rise as she gets older and can take on more challenging roles. There's a sweetness about her that the public responds to. If she's more famous than what's-his-name Thomas from ET, then the reason is because she has starpower--the audience loves her more than they like him.
If Hamill or Thomas were more talented than their co-stars Ford and Barrymore, the public would have spotted this. They would be household names today, instead of the vague, "sounds familiar, but not quite sure who he is" actors that they are today.
What makes a big film star is that certain something--that star quality--it shines through on the big screen. It's rare, but either you have it or you don't--and you can't purchase it. Put simply, Ford and Barrymore have it, and Hamill and Thomas don't.
Over the years, certain TV actors have learned that, although the television audience may love them, they lack that star quality needed to be major film stars.
If an actor is a big film star, they've got what it takes--and the public wants them there--because the public put them there.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Another thing you have to keep in mind is how much the star pursued their career. Hard as it may be to imagine, I'm sure there are some stars that did a few movies and decided it just wasn't for them, or moved on to other things. Look at Demi Moore. At one time she was the highest paid female in Hollywood, and she just stopped making films because she decided that for now she would rather raise her family. It is entirely possible that Henry Thomas, for whatever reason, chose to not aggressively pursue an acting career. I know that Carrie Fisher chose to raise a family instead of act (at least I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere) but now that she's older she does some work. Believe it or not I'm sure some stars are happy with not being super huge stars.

As for Drew Barrymore, you do also have to keep in mind that irregardless of her talents, she has the NAME. I am not trying to imply that Drew does not have talent in her own right. I'm reletively ambivalent towards her, but I do admire her for her strength to overcome her problems and to come where she is today. However, I do not doubt that having the Barrymore name helped her along her way. And I don't see what the big deal is about having her singing voice dubbed. Alot of actors do that.

Personally I think Ford is more talented than Hamill, and I do actually think that Keanu Reeves is underrated. Sure he's not the greatest, but I don't think he deserves the "whoa I'm stupid" reputation he has seemed to never be able to shed.

As for people who I think are overrated compared to their co-stars....well the only one that leaps to mind is Jerry Seinfeld. I don't like Jerry at all, but I find all the cast members (even Neuman) to be more talented than him. I suppose he has some good jokes, and his stand-up is ok, but I don't like his screen presence.

[TMC]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh
[B]Another thing you have to keep in mind is how much the star pursued their career. Hard as it may be to imagine, I'm sure there are some stars that did a few movies and decided it just wasn't for them, or moved on to other things. Look at Demi Moore. At one time she was the highest paid female in Hollywood, and she just stopped making films because she decided that for now she would rather raise her family. It is entirely possible that Henry Thomas, for whatever reason, chose to not aggressively pursue an acting career.

If that was the case then why did Thomas continue to appear in movies like All the Pretty Horses, Legends of the Fall, Moby Dick, Niagra, Niagra, and Cloke & Dagger!?

As for Drew Barrymore, you do also have to keep in mind that irregardless of her talents, she has the NAME. I am not trying to imply that Drew does not have talent in her own right. I'm reletively ambivalent towards her, but I do admire her for her strength to overcome her problems and to come where she is today. However, I do not doubt that having the Barrymore name helped her along her way. And I don't see what the big deal is about having her singing voice dubbed. Alot of actors do that.

The point is she was practically the only one in movie that I was talking about who supposedly refused to sing (so take your excuses and shove it)!!!

Personally I think Ford is more talented than Hamill, and I do actually think that Keanu Reeves is underrated
Oh, so Ford is more talented than Hamil, whose done various amounts of voice work and Broadway (both must require a lot of range) yet you won't give me any justifable evidence to back up that statement!

[JT]

PB or TJ, can you move this thread to the Chit Chat board?

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by TMC
If that was the case then why did Thomas continue to appear in movies like All the Pretty Horses, Legends of the Fall, Moby Dick, Niagra, Niagra, and Cloke & Dagger!?

The point is she was practically the only one in movie that I was talking about who supposedly refused to sing (so take your excuses and shove it)!!!

Oh, so Ford is more talented than Hamil, whose done various amounts of voice work and Broadway (both must require a lot of range) yet you won't give me any justifable evidence to back up that statement!

Jesus Christ dude, calm down!!! It's obvious you are too immature to discuss this rationally. And to think, I used to think you were one of the better posters around here, always offering insight and interesting topics. I guess I had you pegged wrong if you can't handle a few little differing opinions.

As for Thomas appearing in other movies, your argument is flawed. Just because he appeared in a handful of other movies does not mean he was aggressively pursuing an acting career. Key Word: aggressively. As I mentioned in my first post Carrie Fisher chose to raise a family by her own addmission, yet she has done other work since Star Wars. Bottom line is none of us know Thomas, so none of us can know for sure how much he pursued his acting career, I was simply offering something to consider.

As for needing evidence about Ford's talents...I need none. It is my opinion. If you don't like it, fine, we can disagree. But I don't appreciate you jumping down my throat for it. I simply like Ford better, that doesn't mean I don't like Mark Hammill.

[Janice]

I couldn't have said it better myself Bootsy.

[TMC]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh


Jesus Christ dude, calm down!!! It's obvious you are too immature to discuss this rationally. And to think, I used to think you were one of the better posters around here, always offering insight and interesting topics. I guess I had you pegged wrong if you can't handle a few little differing opinions.

Where's my updated report card since I apparently was one of the better posters around here teacher or dude (whatever name that you prefer)!!!?

As for Thomas appearing in other movies, your argument is flawed. Just because he appeared in a handful of other movies does not mean he was aggressively pursuing an acting career. Key Word: aggressively.

That still doesn't change much of my point do you now for sure (unless of course you're an agent)!!!

As I mentioned in my first post Carrie Fisher chose to raise a family by her own addmission, yet she has done other work since Star Wars. Bottom line is none of us know Thomas, so none of us can know for sure how much he pursued his acting career, I was simply offering something to consider.

As for needing evidence about Ford's talents...I need none. It is my opinion.

Oh, and you want to talk about my arguements being "flawed!!!"

If you don't like it, fine, we can disagree. But I don't appreciate you jumping down my throat for it. I simply like Ford better, that doesn't mean I don't like Mark Hammill.

It 's called a rebuttal which I have as much right to as you do to defend my opinions!!!:confused: :mad:

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[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by TMC
Where's my updated report card since I apparently was one of the better posters around here teacher or dude (whatever name that you prefer)!!!?

I prefer to be called Bootsy, thanks. Leave it to you to twist something that was a compliment (being a good poster is not a bad thing, after all) into a supposed attack. You want an updated report card: I give you an F for not being able to carry on this discussion in a rational and calm manner and contining to be combatitive.

Originally posted by TMC
That still doesn't change much of my point do you know for sure (unless of course you're an agent)!!!

Actually, I believe that was my point. None of us can know for sure, which I stated in my last post. I merely was offering another viewpoint to consider, since you seemed to be assuming that all actors pursue their career equally.

Originally posted by TMC
Oh, and you want to talk about my arguments being "flawed!!!"

Your argument was flawed, and I already explained why, so I'm not going through it again.

However, my argument of not needing to support my opinion of why I like Ford better is not flawed. Since I'm sure you won't believe me, grab a dictionary:

opinion: a belief or conclusion held with confidence, but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof.

Originally posted by TMC
It's called a rebuttal which I have as much right to as you do to defend my opinions!!!! :confused: :mad:

Why the angry red face? I never once said that you had no right to express your opinions or to discuss them with me. I simply stated that I didn't appreciate your combative attitude and expressed a wish that you could converse without getting angry and disruptive. You proved to me that you are incapable of doing that. Congratulations!

[Janice]

Bootsy--Funny post...keeping your cool while trying to make a logical point. I'd be seeing double now if I were you. :lol:

TMC--Let the bee out of your shorts already.

:eek: < me, waiting for the fallout.

[Superbatboy]

Roseanne comes to mind. I'm sorry, but she had to be the WORST actress I've ever seen. She makes Jerry Seinfeld look like Denzel Washington. I mean I loved the show especially during the middle seasons, but she could NOT act. But John Goodman, Sara Gilbert, Michael Fishman, were all GREAT actors. But of course Roseanne got all the attention. I forgot the name of the girl who played Jackie, but she was a great actress too.

Someone mentioned before about Jerry Seinfeld. I totally agree. All he did was that cheesy smile. Of course the show was saved by a superb supporting cast and great writing. Which was the case with Roseanne

One more that comes to mind. I know I might get beat down for this but.... LUCY Oh....I love Lucy to death. But Vivian Vance and Williiam Frawley were sooooo much more talented than she was. In all three of Lucy's series' she used the same gag. It was funny the first time, slightly amusing the second time, and just plain annoying by the time Here's Lucy came around. True, I was not alive when any of these shows aired in their original prime, but I've seen the reruns of course. Lucy (Still love her though) has to be one of the most overrated actresses in the history of Hollywood.

AH DON'T HIT ME!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Janice]

Originally posted by Superbatboy
Roseanne comes to mind. I'm sorry, but she had to be the WORST actress I've ever seen. She makes Jerry Seinfeld look like Denzel Washington. I mean I loved the show especially during the middle seasons, but she could NOT act. But John Goodman, Sara Gilbert, Michael Fishman, were all GREAT actors. But of course Roseanne got all the attention. I forgot the name of the girl who played Jackie, but she was a great actress too.

I liked Roseanne's standup act before she got her tv show. I was never a fan of the sitcom though.

Someone mentioned before about Jerry Seinfeld. I totally agree. All he did was that cheesy smile. Of course the show was saved by a superb supporting cast and great writing. Which was the case with Roseanne

I agree Jerry Seinfeld wasn't a good actor. I think even he probably realizes that, lol, yet somehow it worked. He was the straight man to the real actors with the real talent. Seinfeld remains my favorite sitcom to this day. I know every episode by heart.

One more that comes to mind. I know I might get beat down for this but.... LUCY Oh....I love Lucy to death. But Vivian Vance and Williiam Frawley were sooooo much more talented than she was. In all three of Lucy's series' she used the same gag. It was funny the first time, slightly amusing the second time, and just plain annoying by the time Here's Lucy came around. True, I was not alive when any of these shows aired in their original prime, but I've seen the reruns of course. Lucy (Still love her though) has to be one of the most overrated actresses in the history of Hollywood.

I dare ya, double dare ya, to post that on the I Love Lucy message board. Just kidding. ;)

AH DON'T HIT ME!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Janice]

One of these days, I'll learn how to reply with quotes. Sorry. :(

[Kitt]

Originally posted by JanLady617
One of these days, I'll learn how to reply with quotes. Sorry. :( Hi JanLady. I have trouble replying with multiple quotes. because I don't know how. But I'll help you out with how to do this type of quote. First, hit quote in the persons reply. If you want to erase parts of the quote point your mouse inside of the quote and erase whatever suits you. Then when you're ready to write your reply place your mouse line outside of the bottom word, QUOTE] -Right there, or below that but not inside of it. That way the quote will be in boldface and the top and bottom words "QUOTE]" will have disappeared when you submit. When you try this out hit 'preview reply' to see if you did it right. I always hit that anyway because I almost always have typos. So now, if anyone could give me/us some helpful hints on how to do multiple quotes, I'll be listening.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by kittflynn
I have trouble replying with multiple quotes. because I don't know how.

It's easy!! :D

Origiinally posted by kittflynn
So now, if anyone could give me/us some helpful hints on how to do multiple quotes, I'll be listening.

All you gotta do is copy and paste a bit. (or, if you are at a computer that doesn't allow copying and pasting, like I am right now (stupid library! grrrr) then you just gotta type a little more is all.

Basically, it's all about the tags. Every quote must be framed with <quote><i>Originally posted by Whomever</i>
<b> THIS WOULD BE THE QUOTE HERE </b></quote> But of course you should use brackets instead of carots, but if I did that it wouldn't show up. What I usually do is break the quote where I want to type, and simply paste the closing tags </b></quote> at the end of what I am quoting. When I move onto the next part of the quote, I simply paste the opening tags at the front. And so on and so forth.

Now that's for breaking up one person's quote. If you want to post quotes from more than one person, there are 2 ways, both requiring more copying and pasting. First, you could open 2 browser windows, find the posts you want to quote, hit "quote" on both, then copy and paste one of the quotes into the other browser. Or, what I usually do, is just open up notepad or wordpad, hit quote for the first quote, copy and paste it into notepad, go back and hit quote for the second quote, etc., and then after you have hit "quote" for your final quote, simply paste everything back in.

I hope that made at least a little sense. :crazy: It bothers me when people just hit quote and then don't break it up, but rather just types in their stuff right in there with the quote, so it's all bold and everything. It makes it harder to read that way.

[Janice]

Thanks Kitt and Bootsy. My next attempt at using quites will perfect. :wave: