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MickeyMac
12-18-2010, 02:08 PM
NEW YORK — The two largest U.S. bookstore chains have offered up a compelling cliffhanger this holiday season that will seal the fate of brick-and-mortar bookselling.

In the latest chapter, Barnes & Noble Inc. has put itself up for sale, while Borders Group Inc. has put its hand out to lenders in hopes of avoiding a cash shortfall early next year.

Both chains are trying to show they can replace the sales of books lost forever as more book buyers head online or opt for digital books.

Borders is in worse shape, bleeding sales and closing hundreds of stores. Last week it reported yet another double-digit percentage decline in same-store sales and said it could violate terms of its debt agreements in the first months of 2011 if it cannot refinance.

"They're just trying to stay alive at this point," said Michael Souers, a Standard & Poor's retail analyst. "Hopefully, their numbers can improve enough to get someone to want to lend them more money."

Last week, Borders' second-largest shareholder, William Ackman's Pershing Square Capital Management, offered to fund a merger of Borders and Barnes & Noble. The idea was dismissed by analysts because of how much the retailers' store locations overlap.


"If one wanted to go after the other's real estate, they could just wait until bankruptcy and pick them off on the cheap," said Morningstar analyst Pete Wahlstrom, noting that Borders would be the far likelier Chapter 11 candidate.


.A Borders spokeswoman declined to comment on whether the company was considering a bankruptcy filing.

Larger rival Barnes & Noble is on better footing thanks to its popular Nook e-readers and rising e-book sales. But physical books — a shriveling business — still make up the lion's share of its revenue.

The company put itself up for sale in August and is under the gun to show that the Nook is generating e-book sales quickly enough to warrant a high price for the company.

"Holiday e-reader sales this year will show where you have a clear leader," said Wahlstrom. Five suitors are eyeing Barnes & Noble, a source has told Reuters.

E-books now make up about 5 percent of all book sales. The figure is expected to triple within five years. E-reader devices don't offer great margins, but they do spur e-book sales.

Investors are skeptical about both retailers' long-term prospects. Borders shares trade around $1.18, down nearly two-thirds since April and a fraction of their all-time high of $41.75 in 1998. Barnes & Noble shares have fallen 22 percent this year, to about $14.44, a far cry from a peak of $48.41 in 2006.

Barnes & Noble and Borders together accounted for about a quarter of U.S. physical book sales last year, according to a Goldman Sachs study.

But analysts say one thing is clear: There is no need for all 1,200 superstores the companies operate — Barnes & Noble has 720 and Borders has about 500 — given what is seen as a permanent shift in book-buyer habits.

"If I popped you in the middle of a Borders or Barnes & Noble, you might not know what store you're in. They're basically the same store," said Mark Freiman, a senior retail consultant at Focus Management Group, who has spoken to Borders management about how to turn around the business.

Borders' has mostly targeted its Waldenbooks chain for store closings; Barnes & Noble has insisted it has no plans to close many of its superstores.

The difference in the companies' fortunes was plain to see last weekend in Santa Barbara, Calif. The Borders store there was holding a going-out-of-business sale, even selling the kitchen sink used in its cafe. Across an intersection, a Barnes & Noble teemed with shoppers.

Borders and Barnes & Noble both waited too long to react to Amazon and the emergence of e-books, observers said. Nook was launched last year, two years after Amazon's Kindle debuted. "There's no excuse," Freiman said.

Borders finally launched its own e-bookstore in July, eight months behind Barnes & Noble. It has no plans to make its own e-reader. Even its online sales — which include e-books — fell last quarter.

Borders said last week it would soon introduce toy sections with a deeper selection of educational toys in test stores.

"They've been playing catch-up and follow-the-leader for quite some time," Souers said.

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MickeyMac
12-18-2010, 02:09 PM
I think this is a damn shame.


EBook or whatever the hell they are, are not like holding a real physical book in your hands you can read. Nothing can take the place of that.

Rezny@gmail.com
12-18-2010, 02:16 PM
I think this is a damn shame.


EBook or whatever the hell they are, are not like holding a real physical book in your hands you can read. Nothing can take the place of that.It IS a shame.I'd rather read an actual book,than use e-books or whatever.

LUNCH
12-18-2010, 03:24 PM
I think this is a damn shame.


EBook or whatever the hell they are, are not like holding a real physical book in your hands you can read. Nothing can take the place of that.
I also agree,there is no substitute for real books. All this modern technology really has ALOT of negative aspects to it. Maybe the only positive(in this situation- bookstores) is, if the big chain bookstores fail,hopefully the smaller book stores will be able to stay in business ,and who knows may even become more popular.

AB
12-18-2010, 05:51 PM
It IS a shame.I'd rather read an actual book,than use e-books or whatever.


Same here. I visit Borders several times a month. The have a great selection of books that I love to browse through. I usually buy their paperbacks & get a mocha drink while I'm there. I hope they don't go out of business.

70s show watcher
12-18-2010, 06:15 PM
It IS a shame.I'd rather read an actual book,than use e-books or whatever.me too

Marvo301
12-18-2010, 06:29 PM
It IS a shame.I'd rather read an actual book,than use e-books or whatever.
I'm in this category too! Give me an actual book with pages I can actually turn!

PZelda
12-19-2010, 07:57 AM
I can see the benefits of having an ebook reader, though. I own the Nook (and want the Nook Color, DROOOOOOL). Right now, I am packing to go on a work-related trip for one week... I don't want to take too many things with me... I am taking one actual book and my Nook, so that I don't have too much in my suitcase. I still love books, though. Especially non-fiction, with their pictures. That's something that can't be replicated with an ebook reader. And they're not waterproof yet, so no bathtub reading! :lol: I baby the hell out of my toys, though.

80sTrivia
12-19-2010, 08:55 AM
I hate hearing this sort of news regarding bookstores... :(

cocytus
12-19-2010, 09:46 AM
I notice that this story dances around a major culprit in the failure of these two firms: online sales from WalMart and Amazon.com.

While I often go the Border's and Barnes and Noble's in my town, it's usually much easier to buy a hard to find or a new book (and cheaper) online. It also usually arrives faster than than it does ordering it from the store (or oddly their sites).

IMHO, Border's and Barnes and Noble's futures lie in a merger of the two or them partnering w/ Amazon and/or WalMart.

MrCleveland
12-19-2010, 10:00 AM
^I can see the big book stores merging with amazon.com.

Now I have another reason NOT to shop at Wal-Mart!

HuntingtonM15
12-19-2010, 11:11 AM
I'm a hypocrite on this issue. I do love actual books and everything, but I also just ordered a Kindle. I just like the idea of being able to conveniently take it anywhere and the fact that it can store a ton of books. I do hope the major bookstores manage to stay in business, though. And as an autograph collector, I don't want book signings to become a thing of the past.

Coffeecup
12-20-2010, 09:30 AM
It is sad the bookstores are failing due to ,lack of reading by many, electronic gadgets, and people just don't want to pay the money. I haven't bought a book in quite some time. I do go to the library for novels. Gee in time libraries will be fading away.

MickeyMac
12-20-2010, 11:01 AM
Gee in time libraries will be fading away.




you bite your tongue!

OH Nuts!
12-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Libraries will never fade away imho. But bookstores...a good possiblity...fewer and fewer seem to want an old-fashioned book in their hands. Pity. But I like the feel of a book too. Somehow we all managed to get along just fine without ebooks and kindle...have no desire to have these new fangled gadgets

HuntingtonM15
12-20-2010, 02:59 PM
Somehow we all managed to get along just fine without ebooks and kindle

We did, and I see where you're coming from, but this could be said about most new technologies and innovations. We managed fine without cable, the internet, on demand services, TV shows on DVD, etc., but now that they are here, and here to stay, we don't want to give them up.

JamesG
12-20-2010, 03:25 PM
I'm a hypocrite on this issue. I do love actual books and everything, but I also just ordered a Kindle. I just like the idea of being able to conveniently take it anywhere and the fact that it can store a ton of books. I do hope the major bookstores manage to stay in business, though. And as an autograph collector, I don't want book signings to become a thing of the past.

Yeah, I actually went to TARGET today and bought myself a Kindle too.

I don't want to see the major franchises gone and I feel the same way about book signings.

browneyes106
12-20-2010, 04:23 PM
I received a Kindle a few months back from my parents. There are some good things about ebooks/ereaders as people have mentioned in this thread. I still love real books and like going to book signings when I get the chance.

E-readers are good in some situations such as traveling. A friend of mine is in the Air Force and lives overseas. He plans to be in the Air Force another four years. He bought a Sony ereader two years ago and has said that it comes in handy because he is limited in space due to base housing and it will help when he moves next year.

Another good thing about ebooks is that public domain books can be found online for free.

I love going to bookstores for various reasons such as looking for coffee table/photograph books, sports biographies and true crime books.

biffbronson
12-21-2010, 04:03 PM
The thing I find alarming is that for some items, I can use a 40% off coupon at Borders and even get an additional 10% off of that, yet Amazon's price is still lower...! It's very hard to compete -- brick & mortar chains have a lot of expenses tied into the buildings related to real estate, construction, property taxes, utilities, and maintenance. (It is frickin' COLD this winter and not only do they have heating bills, but those fuel supply expenses are taxed as well! A lot of stores = lots of bills.)

Another factor in the US is state sales tax: Unless the buyer reports online transactions on his annual state tax return, a lot of sales go untaxed -- making online sales even more attractive. Ebay comes to mind for that as well -- usually the seller is not in the same state. When you have a lot of gift shopping to do, the savings can be really significant.

I like Borders and have gotten a lot of great deals in their stores, but they tend not to reorder when some stuff sells at first. Barnes & Noble tends to have a deeper selection locally. But neither can offer the depth of Amazon. I'm sure I'll look more to digital eventually, but I collect books also and it's hard to imagine that I'll stop buying them in printed format.

RosewoodPrettyLiar
12-21-2010, 06:03 PM
I hate the idea of the Kindle, I love my books and that's what I'm sticking too

MickeyMac
12-21-2010, 07:31 PM
We did, and I see where you're coming from, but this could be said about most new technologies and innovations. We managed fine without cable, the internet, on demand services, TV shows on DVD, etc., but now that they are here, and here to stay, we don't want to give them up.




Speak for yourself I dont have cable, internet service, or demand service and I am doing quite well without that stuff.

HuntingtonM15
12-21-2010, 07:42 PM
Speak for yourself I dont have cable, internet service, or demand service and I am doing quite well without that stuff.

I'm speaking for many people. You may not, but a large majority certainly does.

Yooch
12-24-2010, 09:35 PM
I have a Sony reader and like it (and yes I like the idea of the public domain books you can download from Google Books) and I use it often.

At the same time, I would like to always see a need for Bookstores and actual books. E-readers are great, for all the reasons mentioned, but there's something to be said for having a real book, the covers, paper pages and so forth. I hope Bookstores always are around in one way or another.

biffbronson
12-26-2010, 08:56 AM
My local ones were doing great business these past couple of days. There were some long checkout lines. Also, the coffee franchises located within were busy as well. It will be a real shame if all of those employees eventually find themselves out of work, not to mention fewer job openings for young people getting started and others in need of work.

Retro4Life
12-26-2010, 10:36 AM
I think this is a damn shame.


EBook or whatever the hell they are, are not like holding a real physical book in your hands you can read. Nothing can take the place of that.

I totally agree. I have no plans to buy any "kindle", "Ipad", or whatever. I worry though that at some point there may really be no other choice.

Can anyone seriously claim that they look forward to "curling up with a good electronic box?" The physical feel of turning the pages, the smell of the book, the heft of it in your hand; those things are just timeless and connect us to the experience. It's terrible that that will all be taken away someday.

I suppose conservation-wise it will save lots of tree, but...there is recyclable paper too. Either way, this sucks.

MandieR1980
01-11-2011, 12:23 PM
My Nook is my favorite piece of technology that I ever bought, I no longer have to have books around that take up space and collect dust and because I don't have the best eye sight I can change the size of the text. Can't say that about a regular book! and I read alot faster on it too. In the past week I've read 4 books!

YoliUSA
01-11-2011, 02:13 PM
I received an iPad for Christmas and I'm hoping to read more books now since eBooks are cheaper plus no more stacks of books. Still it takes some time to get used to it.

Dr. Thong
01-11-2011, 04:21 PM
A similar thing has been happening over the last few years to CD stores; with downloading becoming more prevalent and CD sales dropping, what are called "brick and mortar" stores are lumbering towards extinction.

I have spent many hours sitting, sipping a coffee and reading at both B&N and Borders. I hope they can stay in business. E-books just don't have the same kind of feel as an actual book you can hold in your hands, read and turn the pages.

JamesG
01-12-2011, 10:26 AM
A similar thing has been happening over the last few years to CD stores; with downloading becoming more prevalent and CD sales dropping, what are called "brick and mortar" stores are lumbering towards extinction.

Same thing is also going on with video stores/video rentals.

With the rise of on-demand and everything being online many mom-and-pop and big chain stores have been going under because many don't get movies that way anymore.


I think that CDs and DVDs (as well as books) will always be around but they may become like the occasional record store that one happens to come across.