Witch New Fall Sitcom Do You Think Will Be The First To Fail!

[R.jsheedy]

(WORK WITH ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO A POLL)

Witch New Fall Sitcom Do You Think Will Be The First To Fail?

-The Cleveland Show
-Accidentally On Purpose
-Hank
-The Middle
-Modern Family
-Cougar Town
-Community
-Brothers

I think it will be Accidentally On Purpose. Because there is no way Cleveland will fail, ABC ones are all filled with BIG NAMED STARS and Hank is Created by former Raymond writer Tucker Carley and stars Keley Grammer, and MOdern Family is created by the people who did Back To You, Middle has Patty Heaton in it, and Couger Town is created by the same guy who did Scrubs. All the Football fans will be checking out Brothers since it has Michael Strahan and is produced by Mitchell Hurwitz, the same guy who is responsible for Arrested Devlopment, and Community will air after the office on that night, so it should keep viewers around for that. And so in that case, the only one will fail is AOP!

[yankeesrj12]

Hank or Brothers

Hank because it is leading off the night.
Brothers because it is thrown on Fridays.

[benjamoon]

Brothers for sure, I think ABC will give a fair shake to all its new Weds comedies

[Stuck In The '70's]

Brothers because it's going to air on the Friday dead night with "Til Death.

[Brian Damage]

Brothers because it is on FOX...nuff said!

[catsrule]

Brothers has no chance. A scripted show hasn't hit on FOX Friday since The X-Files.

[clj2]

Brothers has no chance. A scripted show hasn't hit on FOX Friday since The X-Files.Yep. Brothers for sure.

And Hank, mainly because of scheduling, and maybe Cougar Town.

[comedyfreak]

Brothers

[PrettyinPink55]

I have to say Brothers too...

[Superbowl]

We all know it is Brothers. The better question would be which will be the second one to fail.

It has got to be one or two or three or four of the ABC sitcoms. They have been putting on sitcom bombs for four years now without a single success. I say why should it end now. Big stars are not, I have my money on ABC after Brothers.

[browneyes106]

I think it will be Brothers.

[Pavan]

Brothers of course then Elfman's new comedy Accidentally on Purpose.

[JulieSomoski]

Another vote for Brothers - this could even do worse than Til Death, which is a very scary thought. I give it 3 weeks before FOX plugs in another episode of Til Death.

ABC will give all 4 comedies good chances. Hank may do poorly, but all 4 comedies will probably last the entire season. With the said, I'd have to say Accidentally on Purpose will be the next to go. CBS is not going to be patient with this show, especially since they have Rules of Engagement ready to go.

In fact, this could actually be Rules of Engagement's first full season if AOP flops. Cleveland Show should do well, and of course NBC will give Community a good chance no matter how badly it may do.

[R.jsheedy]

Another vote for Brothers - this could even do worse than Til Death, which is a very scary thought. I give it 3 weeks before FOX plugs in another episode of Til Death.

ABC will give all 4 comedies good chances. Hank may do poorly, but all 4 comedies will probably last the entire season. With the said, I'd have to say Accidentally on Purpose will be the next to go. CBS is not going to be patient with this show, especially since they have Rules of Engagement ready to go.

In fact, this could actually be Rules of Engagement's first full season if AOP flops. Cleveland Show should do well, and of course NBC will give Community a good chance no matter how badly it may do.


3 weeks, where have i heard that before. Oh right, that's what you said about Do Not Disturb. :lol: Honestly, this show does look good to me from what i have been seeing in the previews, and looks relatible for a lot of families. Just the problem is that i haven't been seeing many previews of it on. If FOX doesn't want this show to be another one of there canceled sitcoms, they would have to promote the hell out of it. That and Til Death. Because of Sonny Pictures, that show will be on forever. I think that that show is doing exactly the same as According To Jim did, just renewing it for the syndication value, wich they are almost halfway there.

If ABC want's there new Comedy Block to be successful (Which they probably would since they are the ones that wanted more sitcoms) they would have to over promote them. The one on ABC that i see being rely successful, is The Modern Family. From what i heard, that show did great in the focus tests.

Technically, Rules Of Engagement was suppose to have a full season on the year of the writers strike, but that thing screwed everything up so that only had them producing 15 episodes. But i don't see Accidentally On Purpouse being sucuessfull. I think the date that that show is premiring, is the day when FOX is haveing the 2 hour premire of House. That's going to be a tough night on the CBS sitcoms. But i'm sure most of them would do alright.

[robyrob]

Brothers or Hank

[JulieSomoski]

3 weeks, where have i heard that before. Oh right, that's what you said about Do Not Disturb. :lol: Honestly, this show does look good to me from what i have been seeing in the previews, and looks relatible for a lot of families. Just the problem is that i haven't been seeing many previews of it on. If FOX doesn't want this show to be another one of there canceled sitcoms, they would have to promote the hell out of it. That and Til Death. Because of Sonny Pictures, that show will be on forever. I think that that show is doing exactly the same as According To Jim did, just renewing it for the syndication value, wich they are almost halfway there.

If ABC want's there new Comedy Block to be successful (Which they probably would since they are the ones that wanted more sitcoms) they would have to over promote them. The one on ABC that i see being rely successful, is The Modern Family. From what i heard, that show did great in the focus tests.

Technically, Rules Of Engagement was suppose to have a full season on the year of the writers strike, but that thing screwed everything up so that only had them producing 15 episodes. But i don't see Accidentally On Purpouse being sucuessfull. I think the date that that show is premiring, is the day when FOX is haveing the 2 hour premire of House. That's going to be a tough night on the CBS sitcoms. But i'm sure most of them would do alright.

Once Til Death reaches 100 episodes, it'll be cancelled faster than you can imagine. Even though you may like Brothers, and even though it may look relatable to many families, it is going to tank, because of the simple fact it's airing on Fridays, and it's airing with 2 duds.

ABC is promoting their comedy block well. I think ABC really wants to bring back comedies in full fashion, and I think they'd be willing to accept lower ratings to get it off the ground. I think they'll be pleasantly surprised with the ratings, especially with all the big name actors they have in all 4 shows. All 4 comedies got great reviews so far. The only negative things said about Hank and The Middle is that they're predictable, which to some may not even be a negative thing.

Accidentally on Purpose will tank because it doesn't look or sound good at all. And FOX airing a 2-hour House has nothing to do with the performance of the CBS sitcoms, as seen this season. House is a declining a show. The 2 hour season premiere will do no better than a normal episode would, and it will have no effect whatsoever on the CBS sitcoms.

[R.jsheedy]

Once Til Death reaches 100 episodes, it'll be cancelled faster than you can imagine. Even though you may like Brothers, and even though it may look relatable to many families, it is going to tank, because of the simple fact it's airing on Fridays, and it's airing with 2 duds.

ABC is promoting their comedy block well. I think ABC really wants to bring back comedies in full fashion, and I think they'd be willing to accept lower ratings to get it off the ground. I think they'll be pleasantly surprised with the ratings, especially with all the big name actors they have in all 4 shows. All 4 comedies got great reviews so far. The only negative things said about Hank and The Middle is that they're predictable, which to some may not even be a negative thing.

Accidentally on Purpose will tank because it doesn't look or sound good at all. And FOX airing a 2-hour House has nothing to do with the performance of the CBS sitcoms, as seen this season. House is a declining a show. The 2 hour season premiere will do no better than a normal episode would, and it will have no effect whatsoever on the CBS sitcoms.


Exactly. I won't be surprise if we see most of the new episodes burned out on the Sunday at 7 spot on FOX. In fact, i think starting next week, Til Death is burning through all of the un-aired season 3 episodes on that spot. But i won't say 2 dubs. Dollhouse may get terrible ratings, but i did hear some talk about it being picked up because of it's high DVR viewing.

I watched Wipe out and I Survived A Japanese Game Show on Wednesday, and Surviving Suburbia and The Goode Family on Friday, and between those two, i haven't seen any promotion done for the new Fall ABC sitcoms. So i don't know where you are seeing the promotion being done, but i haven't seen any yet.

I think that if How I Met Your Mother has better Ratings in the fall than Accidentally ON Purpose, it will be gone. We've seen it done before with the second show losing a lot of it's lead-in audience, like Worst Week, it lost 30% of 2.5 men's audience, which i think is the only reason that resulted in being a canceled show. So i would say know after thinking about it, either Brothers of Accidentally On Purpose failing in the fall. The rest will probably get full season pick-ups.

[JulieSomoski]

Exactly. I won't be surprise if we see most of the new episodes burned out on the Sunday at 7 spot on FOX. In fact, i think starting next week, Til Death is burning through all of the un-aired season 3 episodes on that spot. But i won't say 2 dubs. Dollhouse may get terrible ratings, but i did hear some talk about it being picked up because of it's high DVR viewing.

I watched Wipe out and I Survived A Japanese Game Show on Wednesday, and Surviving Suburbia and The Goode Family on Friday, and between those two, i haven't seen any promotion done for the new Fall ABC sitcoms. So i don't know where you are seeing the promotion being done, but i haven't seen any yet.

I think that if How I Met Your Mother has better Ratings in the fall than Accidentally ON Purpose, it will be gone. We've seen it done before with the second show losing a lot of it's lead-in audience, like Worst Week, it lost 30% of 2.5 men's audience, which i think is the only reason that resulted in being a canceled show. So i would say know after thinking about it, either Brothers of Accidentally On Purpose failing in the fall. The rest will probably get full season pick-ups.

What are you talking about Til Death will be burned off Sundays at 7pm starting next week? Where did you hear that? And Dollhouse is a dud - it couldn't even do over 3 million viewers live in its final season 1 episodes. Who cares if it picks up in DVR viewers - it's a big dud, and the only reason FOX brought it back was to make Joss Whedon happy.

And ABC is promoting the Wednesday block here and there. They will be doing so much more later in the summer, I'm sure.

How I Met Your Mother will probably be in the 7-8 million range this fall, and I bet Accidentally on Purpose will be doing the same. I think for AOP, it will depend greatly on the demo. Like you said, if it falls from Mother, it will be cancelled. Like I said before, CBS is not going to be patient with this one when they have ROE waiting in the wings.

[Scoobiedoo30]

Brothers FOX will only air 3 episodes that is what I think

[R.jsheedy]

What are you talking about Til Death will be burned off Sundays at 7pm starting next week? Where did you hear that? And Dollhouse is a dud - it couldn't even do over 3 million viewers live in its final season 1 episodes. Who cares if it picks up in DVR viewers - it's a big dud, and the only reason FOX brought it back was to make Joss Whedon happy.

And ABC is promoting the Wednesday block here and there. They will be doing so much more later in the summer, I'm sure.

How I Met Your Mother will probably be in the 7-8 million range this fall, and I bet Accidentally on Purpose will be doing the same. I think for AOP, it will depend greatly on the demo. Like you said, if it falls from Mother, it will be cancelled. Like I said before, CBS is not going to be patient with this one when they have ROE waiting in the wings.


http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/. If you look under where it says "What is the SUMMER FOX 2009 Network Prime time Schedule?" it will says that Til Death will return on Sunday at 7. Like i said, I'm not sure if that will be for Re-Runs or to burn off Season 3. I am ready to see the one with Nathan Lane as Brad Garrett gay brother. That show is terrible, but that might be funny seeing Nathan play this type of carictor.

So How I Met Your Mother will be going back to Second Season Ratings. I know How I Met Your Mother had a hell of a year this season, so CBS might be devastated about those ratings, but i do think that it's suppose to reach Episode 100 this season. So i don't know if it will be re-newed or not. I don't think it would if it has numbers like 7-8 million. But if it's a outstanding demo, it'll be back.

I just hope ABC shows like 3 previews for the block like during Dancing With The Stars or Wipe out, one of there big summer hits. I would like to see most of these shows succeed for ABC, because they all look good,besides cougar town which does looks mediocre. I don't know what there plan is for when scrubs and better off ted come back in January, i think they might then put 2 shows on halts. I'm sorry to say this, but if that's the case, it might be Hank and another one. But i know it's diffidently not going to be Modern Family.

[ryan423]

http://www.fox.com/community/askfox/. If you look under where it says "What is the SUMMER FOX 2009 Network Prime time Schedule?" it will says that Til Death will return on Sunday at 7. Like i said, I'm not sure if that will be for Re-Runs or to burn off Season 3. I am ready to see the one with Nathan Lane as Brad Garrett gay brother. That show is terrible, but that might be funny seeing Nathan play this type of carictor.

So How I Met Your Mother will be going back to Second Season Ratings. I know How I Met Your Mother had a hell of a year this season, so CBS might be devastated about those ratings, but i do think that it's suppose to reach Episode 100 this season. So i don't know if it will be re-newed or not. I don't think it would if it has numbers like 7-8 million. But if it's a outstanding demo, it'll be back.

I just hope ABC shows like 3 previews for the block like during Dancing With The Stars or Wipe out, one of there big summer hits. I would like to see most of these shows succeed for ABC, because they all look good,besides cougar town which does looks mediocre. I don't know what there plan is for when scrubs and better off ted come back in January, i think they might then put 2 shows on halts. I'm sorry to say this, but if that's the case, it might be Hank and another one. But i know it's diffidently not going to be Modern Family.

I don't think season five will be the last for How I Met Your Mother. The longer it goes, the higher the syndication value and to top it off, hasn't the show always had an excellent demo?!

I for one think How I Met Your Mother is one of the best sitcoms of the decade along with The Big Bang Theory, Scrubs, 8 Simple Rules and Two and a Half Men.

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Moving on, I'll be glad to see Til Death return to the schedule. I enjoyed the first two seasons, and I'm hoping with the time off, the writer's went back to fix what was wrong with what we've seen of Season Three. I think we've only actually seen four, as it seems we got about 5 unaired season 2 episodes, and we still have one left to burn off. I'll watch it for the hell of it, as there's nothing better on Sunday nights besides Family Guy.

[yankeesrj12]

The good thing about the newest season of 'Til Death is that they dropped J.B. Smoove (or w.e. his name was) and brought in the daughter and her boyfriend to replace him. I think the show will start improving as they do this.

BTW R.jsheedy, what makes you think Modern Family wont be cancelled? Of all the four new comedies on ABC, I think it looks the worst.

EDIT - I just looked on FOX's website, and the 'Til Death that is on next week is called "Joy Ride" and it originally aired in September of 2008. (3x02)

[JulieSomoski]

The good thing about the newest season of 'Til Death is that they dropped J.B. Smoove (or w.e. his name was) and brought in the daughter and her boyfriend to replace him. I think the show will start improving as they do this.

BTW R.jsheedy, what makes you think Modern Family wont be cancelled? Of all the four new comedies on ABC, I think it looks the worst.

EDIT - I just looked on FOX's website, and the 'Til Death that is on next week is called "Joy Ride" and it originally aired in September of 2008. (3x02)

Seems like Til Death is coming back next week. Not sure why, but it is. And of all timeslots - Sundays at 7pm? If they wanted to give Til Death a boost for the fall, you'd think they'd air it on a better night. And they're airing repeats of season 3 - they have 2 seasons worth of episodes to burn off. I'm still unclear if they'll be airing season 4 in the fall, or if they'll be continuing with season 3 (which more than half is still left unaired).

[ryan423]

Seems like Til Death is coming back next week. Not sure why, but it is. And of all timeslots - Sundays at 7pm? If they wanted to give Til Death a boost for the fall, you'd think they'd air it on a better night. And they're airing repeats of season 3 - they have 2 seasons worth of episodes to burn off. I'm still unclear if they'll be airing season 4 in the fall, or if they'll be continuing with season 3 (which more than half is still left unaired).

I figured once Brothers gets the axe, which it will A-SAP, we'll get back-to-back 'Til Death. It seems the only logical thing to do would be to burn off the remaining episodes of seasons 2 and 3 before airing season 4, lol! I believe there is still 1 season two episode left to air (which was not on the season two dvd set), "The Courtship of Eddie's Parents" and then they have the rest of the unaired third season.

Btw, how many episodes were shot for seasons 3 and 4? I know season 4 is supposed to be 22, right?

[yankeesrj12]

I figured once Brothers gets the axe, which it will A-SAP, we'll get back-to-back 'Til Death. It seems the only logical thing to do would be to burn off the remaining episodes of seasons 2 and 3 before airing season 4, lol! I believe there is still 1 season two episode left to air (which was not on the season two dvd set), "The Courtship of Eddie's Parents" and then they have the rest of the unaired third season.

Btw, how many episodes were shot for seasons 3 and 4? I know season 4 is supposed to be 22, right?
This many episodes are left:
* 1 from Season 2
* 6 from Season 3 (of 10; 4 this season were from season two)
* 22 from Season 4

29 episodes total

I got it from wikipedia, so I don't know how reliable it is. BTW, why did FOX air these episodes so out of order?

[JulieSomoski]

This many episodes are left:
* 1 from Season 2
* 6 from Season 3 (of 10; 4 this season were from season two)
* 22 from Season 4

29 episodes total

I got it from wikipedia, so I don't know how reliable it is. BTW, why did FOX air these episodes so out of order?

I thought season 3 was a full season. If not, it had to be at least 13 episodes. From what I remember reading awhile back, Til Death had 35 episodes to air, including all 22 from the upcoming season 4 and the remaining from season 3 (including the season 2 episode). That would be 13 left from season 3, which seems about right.

[JulieSomoski]

I figured once Brothers gets the axe, which it will A-SAP, we'll get back-to-back 'Til Death. It seems the only logical thing to do would be to burn off the remaining episodes of seasons 2 and 3 before airing season 4, lol! I believe there is still 1 season two episode left to air (which was not on the season two dvd set), "The Courtship of Eddie's Parents" and then they have the rest of the unaired third season.

Btw, how many episodes were shot for seasons 3 and 4? I know season 4 is supposed to be 22, right?

That's exactly how I see it. Afterall, FOX just wants to get those Til Death episodes out of the way and aired. And Brothers will be a huge bomb.

[yankeesrj12]

I thought season 3 was a full season. If not, it had to be at least 13 episodes. From what I remember reading awhile back, Til Death had 35 episodes to air, including all 22 from the upcoming season 4 and the remaining from season 3 (including the season 2 episode). That would be 13 left from season 3, which seems about right.
I got all my info from wikipedia, so its probably wrong. :D

EDIT - According to TV Guide, Season 3 had 22 episodes, 7 of which aired.
LINK: http://www.tvguide.com/News/Til-Death-Renewed-1001588.aspx

[JulieSomoski]

I got all my info from wikipedia, so its probably wrong. :D

LOL - you never know what to expect from wikipedia.

According to epguides.com, they're showing 14 episodes for season 3, then an episode 24 listed at the bottom. Not sure what to make of that, either.

[R.jsheedy]

I don't think season five will be the last for How I Met Your Mother. The longer it goes, the higher the syndication value and to top it off, hasn't the show always had an excellent demo?!

I for one think How I Met Your Mother is one of the best sitcoms of the decade along with The Big Bang Theory, Scrubs, 8 Simple Rules and Two and a Half Men.

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Moving on, I'll be glad to see Til Death return to the schedule. I enjoyed the first two seasons, and I'm hoping with the time off, the writer's went back to fix what was wrong with what we've seen of Season Three. I think we've only actually seen four, as it seems we got about 5 unaired season 2 episodes, and we still have one left to burn off. I'll watch it for the hell of it, as there's nothing better on Sunday nights besides Family Guy.

Well, i just enjoyed the first season then with the addition of Jb smove, it went all downhill. I think that most of the show in that comedy came from Brad and Eddie Kane Thomas. Know that the woodcock charictors have "Moved On" the show hasn't been as well as it was in the begining. I have nothing else to watch on sunday night besides FOX, so i'll see what improvements, if any they have made. I hope you are right when you say that with the time off, they where able to fix what was wrong with this season.

I hope it's not the end of How I Met Your Mother this year. I hope the show finishes up with Ted eventually marring the mother. It has always had a exclent demo, but this season the number of viewers tuneing in per week rely went up with the 8:30 timeslot. Plus i would love to see it go into more nights on lifetime besides just the monday night.

[R.jsheedy]

The good thing about the newest season of 'Til Death is that they dropped J.B. Smoove (or w.e. his name was) and brought in the daughter and her boyfriend to replace him. I think the show will start improving as they do this.

BTW R.jsheedy, what makes you think Modern Family wont be cancelled? Of all the four new comedies on ABC, I think it looks the worst.

EDIT - I just looked on FOX's website, and the 'Til Death that is on next week is called "Joy Ride" and it originally aired in September of 2008. (3x02)

ABC won't give up on Modern Family this season because it quickly became a priority for ABC after the pilot episode tested high with focus groups, resulting in the network ordering 13 episodes and adding it to the 2009-2010 Fall lineup days ahead of ABC's official schedule annoucement.

Well, i guess it is just going to be repeats for Til Death. Hopefully, FOX will take the advantage and promote there Friday night sitcoms during those re-run episodes. I am glad to hear that they did drop J.b Smove from the show, and i think the daughter and the Boyfriend geting married will replace the newlywed woodcocks hopefully.

[R.jsheedy]

Seems like Til Death is coming back next week. Not sure why, but it is. And of all timeslots - Sundays at 7pm? If they wanted to give Til Death a boost for the fall, you'd think they'd air it on a better night. And they're airing repeats of season 3 - they have 2 seasons worth of episodes to burn off. I'm still unclear if they'll be airing season 4 in the fall, or if they'll be continuing with season 3 (which more than half is still left unaired).

If i had to guess on why there doing re-runs is because of the fact that there overshowing the King Of The Hill episodes on that night. They only aired 18 episoides and there on 2 that night, while American Dad are showing Season 2 episodes on the 7:30 slot. And i think that they would want to promote Brothers and the New Season of Til Death there.

[catsrule]

Testing high doesn't mean automatic success. Big Shots and Six Degrees tested high but didn't last long.

[R.jsheedy]

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EPISODES TIL DEATH STILL HAS TO AIR

FOX only ordered 13 episodes for season 3 in May of 2008. They still had about 5 or so episodes left to air from season two that still remained un-aired. so that would have brough the total of 18 episodes of so for season 3. I'm sure if FOX wanted to, they would have ordered 4 more season 3 episodes to make it 22 episoes.

Season 4 will have 22 episodes that will be produced from seaosn 4, and then they will still have 9 episodes to air that was from season 3 one episode still being left over from season 2, the corpship of eddys parents i beleve it's called. wich will bring the total to 31 episodes or so for Season 4. But i still think when the Season 3 DVD comes out, it will have the 13 episodes that where initially supose to be for season 3, and the corpship of eddys parents, making it 14. And if i did the math right, that would mean a total of 79 episodes of til death that had aired, meaning to get into syndication, they would need to produce 21 more episodes to get to 100 episodes, wich will make that they would most likley produce a full 5th season. So they do have a number of un-aired episodes left to air.

[R.jsheedy]

Testing high doesn't mean automatic success. Big Shots and Six Degrees tested high but didn't last long.

But you do have to take into fact that ABC wants this comedy block to succeed. So they would have to give the shows enough time to grow a audience. 24 wasn't successful in it's first season, but now there getting 12 or so million viewers a week, with a outstanding demo. IF ABC would trow any of there comedies a bone, it would be modern family most likely.

[JulieSomoski]

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EPISODES TIL DEATH STILL HAS TO AIR

FOX only ordered 13 episodes for season 3 in May of 2008. They still had about 5 or so episodes left to air from season two that still remained un-aired. so that would have brough the total of 18 episodes of so for season 3. I'm sure if FOX wanted to, they would have ordered 4 more season 3 episodes to make it 22 episoes.

Season 4 will have 22 episodes that will be produced from seaosn 4, and then they will still have 9 episodes to air that was from season 3 one episode still being left over from season 2, the corpship of eddys parents i beleve it's called. wich will bring the total to 31 episodes or so for Season 4. But i still think when the Season 3 DVD comes out, it will have the 13 episodes that where initially supose to be for season 3, and the corpship of eddys parents, making it 14. And if i did the math right, that would mean a total of 79 episodes of til death that had aired, meaning to get into syndication, they would need to produce 21 more episodes to get to 100 episodes, wich will make that they would most likley produce a full 5th season. So they do have a number of un-aired episodes left to air.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Season 4 has 22 episodes, not 31 episodes. Season 2 does have 18 episodes, including the ones unaired from season 3. And do you have any proof that FOX ordered only 13 episodes for season?

[JulieSomoski]

But you do have to take into fact that ABC wants this comedy block to succeed. So they would have to give the shows enough time to grow a audience. 24 wasn't successful in it's first season, but now there getting 12 or so million viewers a week, with a outstanding demo. IF ABC would trow any of there comedies a bone, it would be modern family most likely.

Outstanding demo? It's demo has fallen tremendously this season. And, it wasn't exactly a bomb in its first season.

I think, though, that ABC won't throw Modern Family "a bone" because its the best comedy. I think ABC will throw all their comedies a bone at least for this season. If they're still underperforming at the end of the season, though, I don't see a need to renew them.

[JulieSomoski]

If i had to guess on why there doing re-runs is because of the fact that there overshowing the King Of The Hill episodes on that night. They only aired 18 episoides and there on 2 that night, while American Dad are showing Season 2 episodes on the 7:30 slot. And i think that they would want to promote Brothers and the New Season of Til Death there.

Til Death is just burnoff because King of the Hill is cancelled - why should it be airing twice a night? And, why would they want to promote Brothers and Til Death Sundays at 7pm, when that will probably be their lowest rated half hour of the week?

[R.jsheedy]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Season 4 has 22 episodes, not 31 episodes. Season 2 does have 18 episodes, including the ones unaired from season 3. And do you have any proof that FOX ordered only 13 episodes for season?

No. 31 episodes will air during season 4 because of all of the un-aired episodes. They ordered 13 episodes for season 3. i remember reading that somewhere. I just don't remember where.

[JulieSomoski]

No. 31 episodes will air during season 4 because of all of the un-aired episodes. They ordered 13 episodes for season 3. i remember reading that somewhere. I just don't remember where.

Well, I also remember reading that 18 episodes were ordered for season 3. They didn't order a full season because they had 4-5 unaired episodes from season 2 that they also had to air. But, that's it. That's season 3.

After airing season 3, then they'll air season 4, which FOX ordered 22 episodes of. There are 22 episodes ordered for season 4, not 31.

[yankeesrj12]

FOR ANYBODY WHO IS WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EPISODES TIL DEATH STILL HAS TO AIR

FOX only ordered 13 episodes for season 3 in May of 2008. They still had about 5 or so episodes left to air from season two that still remained un-aired. so that would have brough the total of 18 episodes of so for season 3. I'm sure if FOX wanted to, they would have ordered 4 more season 3 episodes to make it 22 episoes.

Season 4 will have 22 episodes that will be produced from seaosn 4, and then they will still have 9 episodes to air that was from season 3 one episode still being left over from season 2, the corpship of eddys parents i beleve it's called. wich will bring the total to 31 episodes or so for Season 4. But i still think when the Season 3 DVD comes out, it will have the 13 episodes that where initially supose to be for season 3, and the corpship of eddys parents, making it 14. And if i did the math right, that would mean a total of 79 episodes of til death that had aired, meaning to get into syndication, they would need to produce 21 more episodes to get to 100 episodes, wich will make that they would most likley produce a full 5th season. So they do have a number of un-aired episodes left to air.
You dont need 100 episodes for syndication. What I Like About You has only 86 and it airs on ABC Family and The N. How I Met Your Mother started airing on Lifetime when it was within 70-80 episodes. 8 Simple Rules produced only 76 episodes, and it aired on ABC Family and the WB Daytime for a bit. I believe Less than Perfect is going into syndication and it has only 81 episodes. Finally, Everybody Hates Chris only had 88 episodes, yet it will air on Nick at Nite this fall.

[dawsongirl]

I think it will be Accidentally On Purpose.

I agree...although I also think Cougar Town sounds really stupid.

[R.jsheedy]

Well, I also remember reading that 18 episodes were ordered for season 3. They didn't order a full season because they had 4-5 unaired episodes from season 2 that they also had to air. But, that's it. That's season 3.

After airing season 3, then they'll air season 4, which FOX ordered 22 episodes of. There are 22 episodes ordered for season 4, not 31.

NO, they would air somewhat around 31 episodes during season 4. I know they only ordered 22 episodes for season 4.

[JulieSomoski]

NO, they would air somewhat around 31 episodes during season 4. I know they only ordered 22 episodes for season 4.

That makes no sense. Why would they air 31 episodes for season 4? They would air the remaining season 3 episodes first, then when those are finished airing, they would start with season 4. You're not getting it - season 4 does not have 31 episodes, it has 22.

[ryan423]

That doesn't make any sense at all. Season 4 has 22 episodes, not 31 episodes. Season 2 does have 18 episodes, including the ones unaired from season 3. And do you have any proof that FOX ordered only 13 episodes for season?

Season 2 has 19 episodes. They put 18 on the DVD box set and left that one unaired episode out, "The Courtship of Eddie's Parents."

[JulieSomoski]

Season 2 has 19 episodes. They put 18 on the DVD box set and left that one unaired episode out, "The Courtship of Eddie's Parents."

So the aired season 3 would have how ever many episodes were ordered, plus the 1 unaired from season 2. Weren't there more unaired episodes from season 2, though?

The unaired episodes from season 3 are still a part of season 3, though. That's what R.jsheedy isn't understanding.

[R.jsheedy]

So the aired season 3 would have how ever many episodes were ordered, plus the 1 unaired from season 2. Weren't there more unaired episodes from season 2, though?

The unaired episodes from season 3 are still a part of season 3, though. That's what R.jsheedy isn't understanding.

They are still part of season 3 because they where produce for what was supose to be season 3, but there going to be aired after September 17, when i think season 4 premires, so they would be apart of season 4 on tv because they where aired during it.

[ekkostar]

I saw the preview for Hank and I'm excited about it. Can't wait to see Kelsey Grammer back on TV, but I feel bad that it probably won't make it past Season 1. I get the feeling that he should probably stick with movies now because that seems to be the direction he's headed in. Before Hank premieres, Fame is coming out somewhere in the third week of September.

[JulieSomoski]

They are still part of season 3 because they where produce for what was supose to be season 3, but there going to be aired after September 17, when i think season 4 premires, so they would be apart of season 4 on tv because they where aired during it.

Unbelievable. It doesn't matter. Season 3 will be airing with season 3. Season 4 will be airing with season 4. it doesn't matter what will be airing - there are 22 episodes in season 4, and that's it. They would not be a part of season 4 on TV because no way can they air 31 episodes in a season and count that as season 4.

I bet they'll air season 3, and when they're finished with those episodes, they'll begin with season 4, which will be months after the season starts. They will still be seperate episodes, seperate seasons.

[R.jsheedy]

something that was supose to be so simple turned out to be a huge debate on Til Death Episodes. I'm not quite sure on how that sung into being a discussion on til death. The point is that they will be airing new episodes starting September 17 after brothers and during that time all of the extra episodes from season 2 and 3 should air every friday night at 8:30 untill it gets pulled again.

[70s show watcher]

I saw the preview for Hank and I'm excited about it. Can't wait to see Kelsey Grammer back on TV, but I feel bad that it probably won't make it past Season 1. I get the feeling that he should probably stick with movies now because that seems to be the direction he's headed in. Before Hank premieres, Fame is coming out somewhere in the third week of September.hopefully not movies like down periscope

[R.jsheedy]

hopefully not movies like down periscope

HEY! I liked that movie!

[70s show watcher]

HEY! I liked that movie!sorry no offence meant

[R.jsheedy]

sorry no offence meant

HAHA. None taken!