Jacko to McCartney -- You're Dead to Me!

[Dean Winchester]

http://www.tmz.com/2007/12/24/jacko-to-mccartney-you-re-dead-to-me/

Jacko to McCartney -- You're Dead to Me!
Posted Dec 24th 2007 6:52AM by TMZ Staff

Maybe he's on Team Heather, maybe he's just jealous that Paul's still got a face, but Michael Jackson has a message for Paul McCartney on the 25th anniversary release of "Thriller" -- the song is mine!

FOX News reports that the new mixes on the re-release of "Thriller" are out, and Paul is nowhere to be seen on the new version of "The Girl is Mine." Jacko and producer Will.I.Am have scrubbed Macca out of the song, which was originally, of course, a duet. He's a real nowhere man!

Kanye West does a version of "Billie Jean," while Akon has his own rendition of "Wanna Be Starting Something."

[Dean Winchester]

first of all, I think the new remixes are pointless considering I doubt 90% of the people who bought Thriller in the 1980's can give a rats bottom about Akon, will.i.am, Kanye or anyone else MJ has recruited. They should've just put more demo tracks, and complete versions compared to the 2001 remaster version. Thriller with Kanye and Akon would be like 40th anniversary editions of The White Album and Beggar's Banquet next year with John Mayer and Alicia Keys.

secondly, yes Paul has ripped on Michael many times but Michael fails to understand why. I do think Paul might have went a little too far not letting Michael use "Say Say Say" on any of his hits collections (whereas Stevie Wonder put "Ebony And Ivory" on his Song Review collection), but to just remove McCartney's presence from the song is defiling it. Oh well, The Girl Is Mine is the weakest track from Thriller either which way.

[catlover79]

I'm sure Paul is shaking in his shoes. :eek: :rolleyes: :lol:

[Shine]

Michael wishes that he has had the career that Paul has had. Personally, I think that Thriller is way overrated.

[Dean Winchester]

Michael wishes that he has had the career that Paul has had. Personally, I think that Thriller is way overrated.
I have to agree. Thriller is a good album, but Michael has been milking it's memory way too long, and putting new "remixes" featuring rappers who were three when the album came out, so younger listeners who wouldn't normally buy an album released in 1982 reeks of desperation. One might argue that Purple Rain or Born In The U.S.A. are "dated" and "scream 1980's" when it comes to blockbusters from the Reagan administration, but I think Thriller is just as dated, if not moreso, and Michael himself realizes so by recruiting today's rap stars as an attempt to get kids to buy a 25 year old album.

[Pus$y Galore]

Yeah I'm sure Paul's really losing sleep over this one. Jacko gives himself WAAAAAAAYYYYY too much credit!

[Shine]

I have to agree. Thriller is a good album, but Michael has been milking it's memory way too long, and putting new "remixes" featuring rappers who were three when the album came out, so younger listeners who wouldn't normally buy an album released in 1982 reeks of desperation. One might argue that Purple Rain or Born In The U.S.A. are "dated" and "scream 1980's" when it comes to blockbusters from the Reagan administration, but I think Thriller is just as dated, if not moreso, and Michael himself realizes so by recruiting today's rap stars as an attempt to get kids to buy a 25 year old album.

I think that both Born In the USA and Purple Rain still sound really fresh. My problem with Thriller is not that it sounds dated, but that it was never that good in the first place. The only songs on it that I really like are "Beat It" (featuring a great guitar solo by Eddie Van Halen), "Billie Jean" and "Human Nature".

[Shine]

Yeah I'm sure Paul's really losing sleep over this one. Jacko gives himself WAAAAAAAYYYYY too much credit!


MJ has always been his own biggest fan, I think. :lol:

[Mikado]

I hate remixes or remakes anyway, so i really dont care....anyway, Sir Paul doesnt need the money, Wakko Jakko does! :lol:

[catlover79]

Yeah I'm sure Paul's really losing sleep over this one. Jacko gives himself WAAAAAAAYYYYY too much credit!
Cathie, I think you hit it right on the head.

[Cactus Jack]

MJ has always been his own biggest fan, I think. :lol:
LOL


Well Thriller is the only MJ song Ive ever really liked so yeah

[Shine]

LOL


Well Thriller is the only MJ song Ive ever really liked so yeah


I'll take Prince over MJ any day.

[Cactus Jack]

I'll take Prince over MJ any day.
I dont know who Id take

[88survivor]

I suggest Prince and Paul...better artists.

[catlover79]

I like Thriller (most of it, anyway), but I never thought of it as the album of all albums. Remember when MJ was accepting some award and thought it was for Artist of the Millenium, when it was really for best single or something??? :lol: I think he really is in love with himself - with that face, would anyone else be??

[Dean Winchester]

I think that both Born In the USA and Purple Rain still sound really fresh. My problem with Thriller is not that it sounds dated, but that it was never that good in the first place. The only songs on it that I really like are "Beat It" (featuring a great guitar solo by Eddie Van Halen), "Billie Jean" and "Human Nature".
I do think Thriller was a great album, but over time it's developed this larger-than-life reputation that is undeserved. I think Quincy Jones doesn't get enough credit for the album while Michael gets too much. Quincy was the brains behind Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad, the trinity of great MJ albums IMO. When MJ parted ways with Quincy in the early 90's was when the cracks began to show and MJ suddenly was no longer larger than life. MJ is an egomaniac control freak and Quincy is the only producer who was able to keep him in check, ever since MJ has surrounded himself with people like Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins, R. Kelly (I wonder if they ever considered opening a daycare center? lol) and other younger producers who remember MJ as a childhood hero to them and will let him do whatever he wants because he's Michael Jackson.

[Dean Winchester]

I'll take Prince over MJ any day.
same here. I know MJ apologists always point out that Michael sells more albums but I think it's a total moot point because Prince rejected the type of fame that MJ loved to bask in. MJ wants to be the biggest star in the world, Prince considers superstardom a hinderance because he wants to do the music he wants to do instead of delivering the label a Purple Rain clone because he knew it would be a bigger seller. Prince easily could've sailed through the rest of the 80's and early 90's delivering Purple Rain knockoffs and sold far more than he did (even tho Prince was a consistant hitmaker in the 80's after Purple Rain, his albums generally stayed around the same 1.5-2.5 million range after Purple Rain sold 13). It was all because it goes against his principle.

I grew up with both MJ and Prince but I don't for a second believe MJ is more talented. Michael is (or was before his ego got out of hand) talented, but I think Prince is more of a genuine genius. Granted, his music isn't always consistant but no matter what, he's always a workaholic and always doing exactly what he wants, and selling 100,000 or 2 million isn't really a goal for him, he just has the talent and power to do what he wants. Stevie Wonder was very much the same way, a true genius.

[catlover79]

Personally, I think Off the Wall was a better album than Thriller, but what do I know?? :lol:

[Shine]

Personally, I think Off the Wall was a better album than Thriller, but what do I know?? :lol:

Not a whole lot, that's for sure. :lol: ;)

[catlover79]

Not a whole lot, that's for sure. :lol: ;)
OK, Mike, you asked for it!! :smash: :schmack: :yousuck:

:D

[Shine]

OK, Mike, you asked for it!! :smash: :schmack: :yousuck:

:D


:boxing: :lol:

[Dean Winchester]

I think Off The Wall doesn't get the credit it deserves. Thriller is one of those albums that has been played out and then some, OTW still has some classic tracks like I Can't Help It, Burn This Disco Out and others that are tucked away and eclipsed by the big hits.

I also love the Bad album too. The Way You Make Me Feel and Dirty Diana are two of his absolute best IMO

[catlover79]

^ My favorite cut on OTW, besides "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough", has to be the title track. :D I was in second grade when Bad came out. "Smooth Criminal", "Dirty Diana", "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" - all classic 1980s pop!

When I was in third grade, my elementary school held a talent show. The principal, Mr. Clark, was the MC. He dressed up as Michael Jackson - he called himself "Clark Jackson". :lol: Nothing was funnier than seeing this tall, dignified middle-aged gentleman with salt and pepper hair dressed in a red leather jacket, a white glove, fedora, and shades. He also lip-synched to "Man in the Mirror". :lol: That's one of my most vivid memories of elementary school!!!

[Dean Winchester]

ironic, I was starting second grade when Bad came out too. I don't recall any other album release in my lifetime that was lauded as much as an event as Bad was, I actually remember that it was the leading story on the news the night the album came out, and I remember all the TV specials around then. I was so obsessed with him back then that I got my older sister to get me tickets to see him on that tour in March 1988. Considering MJ hasn't toured America since that tour and he's no longer a black male, it's great that I can always say I saw him live back then.

[catlover79]

^ That's a cool story, John. Michael is no longer a black ANYTHING. :eek: A lady I used to work with did see the Jacksons' Victory tour back in 1984 when it came to Cleveland, and said it was one of the best concerts she'd ever seen.

Do you think he'll ever do a solo US tour again??

[Dean Winchester]

^ That's a cool story, John. Michael is no longer a black ANYTHING. :eek: A lady I used to work with did see the Jacksons' Victory tour back in 1984 when it came to Cleveland, and said it was one of the best concerts she'd ever seen.

Do you think he'll ever do a solo US tour again??
I'm not sure. It seems like for the most part, he's not what he once was as a performer. I saw the clip of him doing We Are The World at the World Music Awards last year and it was nothing compared to what he was in the 80's, he was barely singing or moving

[catlover79]

I'm not sure. It seems like for the most part, he's not what he once was as a performer. I saw the clip of him doing We Are The World at the World Music Awards last year and it was nothing compared to what he was in the 80's, he was barely singing or moving
Well, he IS pushing 50, so I doubt he's as flexible a dancer anymore. I never thought much of him as a vocalist after he passed puberty. He had such incredible range as a boy, but I think he's gotten too much credit as an adult vocalist. It's Quincy Jones who deserves the lion's share of the credit for knowing the best way to make hits for Michael.

[Dean Winchester]

Well, he IS pushing 50, so I doubt he's as flexible a dancer anymore. I never thought much of him as a vocalist after he passed puberty. He had such incredible range as a boy, but I think he's gotten too much credit as an adult vocalist. It's Quincy Jones who deserves the lion's share of the credit for knowing the best way to make hits for Michael.
well, it's true that he is 49, but it is kind of sad when you consider he's exactly the same age as Prince and Madonna, and Prince and Madonna are both still considered to be at the top of their games as live performers, whereas Michael can barely move and mumble his way around We Are The World. He's not young anymore, but considering how well two of his biggest 80's rivals who are the same age as him can still "wow" them in concert, it's sad that Michael can't. I saw Prince in concert last summer and I was standing up and enjoying the show for 2 1/2 hrs and my feet were sore after the show was over, he can still put on such a fantastic show at his age, yet Michael seems like his days are behind him

[AKA]

Not to defend Michael Jackson, but the article purposely tries to stir people's emotions - its wording, especially the headline, makes it seem like by not including Paul's vocals on the remix of "The Girl Is Mine," that he's going out of his way to maliciously give Paul a giant "eff you." It's very misleading.

Falsely attributing the worlds "you're dead to me" to Michael Jackson right in the headline does exactly what the author of the piece intends it to do - rile people up.

Maybe Michael and Will.I.Am are going for something in the remix of "The Girl Is Mine" that doesn't require Paul's vocals, like turning it into a hip hop duet between Michael and Will.I.Am.

I think there would be more reason to be angry if Paul's vocals were removed from the original version of "The Girl Is Mine," which they surely have not. The original "The Girl Is Mine"--Paul intact--will most certainly be on the reissue of Thriller.

[catlover79]

Heaven knows Prince and Madonna have both made tabloid headlines in their time, but neither of them became a completely pathetic joke the way Michael has. Quite sad, really.

[Mikado]

Not a whole lot, that's for sure. :lol: ;)
ohoh....youd better be careful of Cat's claws now! :lol:

[Dean Winchester]

Not to defend Michael Jackson, but the article purposely tries to stir people's emotions - its wording, especially the headline, makes it seem like by not including Paul's vocals on the remix of "The Girl Is Mine," that he's going out of his way to maliciously give Paul a giant "eff you." It's very misleading.

Falsely attributing the worlds "you're dead to me" to Michael Jackson right in the headline does exactly what the author of the piece intends it to do - rile people up.

Maybe Michael and Will.I.Am are going for something in the remix of "The Girl Is Mine" that doesn't require Paul's vocals, like turning it into a hip hop duet between Michael and Will.I.Am.

I think there would be more reason to be angry if Paul's vocals were removed from the original version of "The Girl Is Mine," which they surely have not. The original "The Girl Is Mine"--Paul intact--will most certainly be on the reissue of Thriller.

I detect there would be a huge backlash if he removed Paul's vocals off the original. I personally think MJ should aim for a new remix album or something instead of throwing these new versions on a 25 year old album. I remember a few years ago, The Stones got flack for going the remix route with Sympathy For The Devil (granted, they've had remixes before, but always with "current" material), but they had the common sense not to reissue Beggar's Banquet with those tagged on as bonus tracks because the purists don't want those versions.

[Shine]

ohoh....youd better be careful of Cat's claws now! :lol:


I don't think Monika could ever hurt me. I hope not anyway. :lol:

[Shine]

Heaven knows Prince and Madonna have both made tabloid headlines in their time, but neither of them became a completely pathetic joke the way Michael has. Quite sad, really.

Prince has suffered from tabloid headlines too. The long battle with his record company and changing his name to a symbol did turn many people off to his music. From a commercial standpoint, he is not as popular as he used to be.

[Dean Winchester]

Heaven knows Prince and Madonna have both made tabloid headlines in their time, but neither of them became a completely pathetic joke the way Michael has. Quite sad, really.
I think Michael just quit caring at some point in the past. Prince's love and passion for music is notorious. I remember hearing that not a day has gone by in the past 30 years where he didn't at least write one new song or fiddle around the studio on a track. It's in his blood and he loves to share his love for it with the world. With Madonna, I think she hates the rigors of touring but loves the performance aspect on it, and her tours become more and more complex and professional each go-round. At age 48 she was able to work a stage with more energy on her Confessions Tour than many half her age ever could. Those two are vastly different in their fields, but both have a passion, Prince for performing, Madonna for entertaining. Michael, OTOH, has been doing it for 4/5 of his life and has seemed to reach a burnout point where he just doesn't care anymore, he had his moment, there's nothing for him to really prove anymore.

[Dean Winchester]

Prince has suffered from tabloid headlines too. The long battle with his record company and changing his name to a symbol did turn many people off to his music. From a commercial standpoint, he is not as popular as he used to be.
I think age has a lot to do with it also. I do think he's done fairly well for himself in the past few years. Musicology debuted at #3, 3121 hit #1 and Planet Earth debuted at #3. Even though PE fell from the charts really fast, a #3 debut is nothing to sneeze at considering his commercial stock fell drastically in the mid-late 90's and even the "comeback" Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic just barely broke the top 20. I think he has re-established his good name in the industry and his albums are guarenteed good opening weeks, it just isn't his "moment" anymore, but I think he's doing well for himself, especially considering The Rainbow Children didn't even break the top 100 albums in 2001.

[Shine]

I think age has a lot to do with it also. I do think he's done fairly well for himself in the past few years. Musicology debuted at #3, 3121 hit #1 and Planet Earth debuted at #3. Even though PE fell from the charts really fast, a #3 debut is nothing to sneeze at considering his commercial stock fell drastically in the mid-late 90's and even the "comeback" Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic just barely broke the top 20. I think he has re-established his good name in the industry and his albums are guarenteed good opening weeks, it just isn't his "moment" anymore, but I think he's doing well for himself, especially considering The Rainbow Children didn't even break the top 100 albums in 2001.

I think 3121 is probably one of the best things he's ever done and I think it deserved to be heard by more than 500,000 people. Planet Earth is really good too and should have gotten more attention as well.

[Dean Winchester]

I agree, 3121 is an instant Prince classic. Lolita, Fury, Black Sweat, Beautiful Loved & Blessed, Love, etc... Such a solid collection of tunes and it was definately the right album to return him to #1 with, I always found Musicology to not be as good as the hype made it.

[88survivor]

Well, just remember, back in 1982, Thriller was like the "word of mouth" back then. Then in early 1983, you watched the videos of "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" screaming at your mom to buy this record. It was a world wide hysteria. Everybody who heard it on the radio in late 1982-early 1983 went directly to buy the record. There was no escape from it. Every boy from ages 5-18 was wearing the "Beat It" jacket with the zippers. Grandparents thought he was cool. Your parents thought he was cool. Kids thought he was awesome. Girls fainted at the sight of him....he was a star! It was like a mass hysteria outbreak...MTV played the 13 minute music video of Thriller 24/7. If you asked a kid in 1983 back then to say who was the coolest, they say, "MJ and.." whatever they say in response. MJ was a powerhouse, true, but you have to remember all the craze that went on from 1982-1984. There was no escape from it. Right now, I hardly doubt we will ever see something of that magnitude ever again, except for the hardcore MJ fans...But still to this day, the craziness in 1982-1984 would never be compared to the comback MJ is planning, which will seem until the end of his death.

[88survivor]

That is all I have to say, though. I said too much already.

[catlover79]

I don't think Monika could ever hurt me. I hope not anyway. :lol:
*hisses and scratches Mike like :cat:* ;) :rofl:

[Dean Winchester]

Well, just remember, back in 1982, Thriller was like the "word of mouth" back then. Then in early 1983, you watched the videos of "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" screaming at your mom to buy this record. It was a world wide hysteria. Everybody who heard it on the radio in late 1982-early 1983 went directly to buy the record. There was no escape from it. Every boy from ages 5-18 was wearing the "Beat It" jacket with the zippers. Grandparents thought he was cool. Your parents thought he was cool. Kids thought he was awesome. Girls fainted at the sight of him....he was a star! It was like a mass hysteria outbreak...MTV played the 13 minute music video of Thriller 24/7. If you asked a kid in 1983 back then to say who was the coolest, they say, "MJ and.." whatever they say in response. MJ was a powerhouse, true, but you have to remember all the craze that went on from 1982-1984. There was no escape from it. Right now, I hardly doubt we will ever see something of that magnitude ever again, except for the hardcore MJ fans...But still to this day, the craziness in 1982-1984 would never be compared to the comback MJ is planning, which will seem until the end of his death.
that is true. The Thriller (and Bad era also) era was magical, but I think the main problem is that Michael is perpetually stuck in 1983, he is still obsessed with milking Thriller (as seen by the new remaster with new versions of the tracks) instead of continuing to grow and move on as an artist. When you look at all the "huge 80's icons" who are still recording, Jacko is the only one who is still obsessed with 25 years ago. Prince outgrew Purple Rain ages ago, Madonna has long since outgrown Like A Virgin, Springsteen has continued to go on his own path and not be stuck on Born In The U.S.A., U2 have continued to make great music and not be stuck remaking The Joshua Tree, and so on... Yet MJ would commit murder to remain at the level he was at in 1983-1984 instead of just accepting Thriller as a triumph in his career, but something that is in the past and carry on recording great music.

[Ireneparalegal]

I have always hated THAT GIRL IS MINE, so regardless if Paul is no longer on the song, doesn't change that the fact that song is just horrid. Hell, you could have the Boston Pops play that song and it will still be horrible.

[Dean Winchester]

I have always hated THAT GIRL IS MINE, so regardless if Paul is no longer on the song, doesn't change that the fact that song is just horrid. Hell, you could have the Boston Pops play that song and it will still be horrible.
he should've picked R. Kelly up and remade the song as "The Tween Is Mine" :lol:

[88survivor]

This should teach MJ a lesson about remastering and remixes classics that already been done before....take a look at this. I'm a Steve Perry fan, but this is hilariously true...I mean, look what MJ did with Thriller again...could you imagine Thiller in a Christmasy atmosphere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY8yPJVogUs&feature=dir

[catlover79]

I have always hated THAT GIRL IS MINE, so regardless if Paul is no longer on the song, doesn't change that the fact that song is just horrid. Hell, you could have the Boston Pops play that song and it will still be horrible.
:brent

[88survivor]

Must be a reason as to why Paul didn't trade "Say Say Say" in the Pipes of Peace album....he probably said to MJ one time, "I'll give you a ****ty song that sucks and that will be it. Don't touch my album! Bye and Cheerio."

[catlover79]

For whatever it's worth, "Say Say Say" was a much better song than "The Girl Is Mine". Yes, I know that's not saying much. :lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

I want to know what kind of girl Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson were fighting over? (THAT GIRL IS MINE)...:crazy:

[Shine]

I want to know what kind of girl Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson were fighting over? (THAT GIRL IS MINE)...:crazy:

I think it was Lisa Whelchel! :D

[Shine]

Yesterday I bought Paul McCartney's recent album, Memory Almost Full, and it is really, really good. There hasn't been this much energy to his music in over 25 years. This is Paul's best album since McCartney II in 1980. So everyone, go out and buy it! You will not be sorry. :)

[88survivor]

I thought it was Brooke Shields.
:lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

It was Debbie Rowe...:eek: :rofl:

[88survivor]

Debbie Rowe is really John Goodman in drag...

[Janice]

I loved Thriller and most every song on it. That album was a blast. I still enjoy listening to it today, and I don't think it's overrated one bit. Music is all opinion anyway. Nobody can say a song sucked, but more, they think it sucks. Still, although Thriller wasn't for everyone, there's no denying that millions of people loved it. All the theories in the world don't change that fact. Millions loved it, and still do today.

[Janice]

Not to defend Michael Jackson, but the article purposely tries to stir people's emotions - its wording, especially the headline, makes it seem like by not including Paul's vocals on the remix of "The Girl Is Mine," that he's going out of his way to maliciously give Paul a giant "eff you." It's very misleading.

Falsely attributing the worlds "you're dead to me" to Michael Jackson right in the headline does exactly what the author of the piece intends it to do - rile people up.
Good point, Brad, and very true. It seems to be a trend today. Toss out an outrageous headline, and it's red meat for the "gotcha" crowd. The Will Smith headline is another recent example. Not everyone takes the bait though, as your post shows.

[Dean Winchester]

I loved Thriller and most every song on it. That album was a blast. I still enjoy listening to it today, and I don't think it's overrated one bit. Music is all opinion anyway. Nobody can say a song sucked, but more, they think it sucks. Still, although Thriller wasn't for everyone, there's no denying that millions of people loved it. All the theories in the world don't change that fact. Millions loved it, and still do today.
I think what people find overrated about Thriller is that there were tons of great music in that vein, yet a lot of people who won't listen to anything pre-Britney love that album, when Stevie Wonder, Prince and so many other r&b artists were making music in a similar vein in the early 80's that was just as good and diverse, but yet these 15 year olds won't try that music out despite the fact they love Thriller. I think anybody who hears Thriller and likes it should seriously try some classic Prince and Stevie out, they were just as good as Michael IMO.

[Janice]

I think what people find overrated about Thriller is that there were tons of great music in that vein, yet a lot of people who won't listen to anything pre-Britney love that album, when Stevie Wonder, Prince and so many other r&b artists were making music in a similar vein in the early 80's that was just as good and diverse, but yet these 15 year olds won't try that music out despite the fact they love Thriller. I think anybody who hears Thriller and likes it should seriously try some classic Prince and Stevie out, they were just as good as Michael IMO.
I know enough Prince music. My sister always had his music playing back in the day. I know Stevie Wonder's music very well. To me, Thriller tops them. Somebody has to be on top, and it was Jackson then. The thing is that John and Jane Doe don't get into all these theories that music lovers such as yourself do. They just know they like what they like. It's more simple than you realize. I understand your thinking, because you have sort of a music critic's mentality. Believe me, I'm Jane Doe, and my friends are too. We don't get into all that. We just buy what we like. Most people couldn't tell you who produced what album or other details.

[Ireneparalegal]

I loved Thriller and most every song on it. That album was a blast. I still enjoy listening to it today, and I don't think it's overrated one bit. Music is all opinion anyway. Nobody can say a song sucked, but more, they think it sucks. Still, although Thriller wasn't for everyone, there's no denying that millions of people loved it. All the theories in the world don't change that fact. Millions loved it, and still do today.
For sure. I agree. It was a hit for all kinds of people of different ages. Some albums are more popular to a certain group, but THRILLER was just that, it was a thrill and it still is. It made history and you can't deny that fact.

I also immensely enjoyed OFF THE WALL. Such a change of pace for that time. I miss that Michael Jackson. :(

[Dean Winchester]

yea, I think Off The Wall is just as good as Thriller, I'd say OTW is actually underrated in the MJ catalog. I think because it came out pre-MTV that it never got it's due the way Thriller and Bad have since everyone remembers the videos

[Janice]

For sure. I agree. It was a hit for all kinds of people of different ages. Some albums are more popular to a certain group, but THRILLER was just that, it was a thrill and it still is. It made history and you can't deny that fact.
I still love the Thriller video. I think Billie Jean was a fantastic song too. The way it starts, everything about it. You're right about all ages too. I was in my 20s when it came out, and my mother loved the songs she was hearing on the radio. I bought her the album, and she was in her 40s at the time. When that Motown special came out, and Michael did the Moonwalk, I was tending bar. The owner of the restaurant had the tape, probably Betamax back then, lol, and he used to play it over and over at the bar. He was in his 50s. Jackson had universal appeal, and was a fantastic perfomer. It's a shame he wigged out.

[Dean Winchester]

I think one of the main reasons I prefer Prince and Wonder to Jackson is because I think they both were more consistant in their primes (1972-1982 for Stevie, 1980-1988 for Prince). Michael released two great albums, a couple "decent" albums (Dangerous and Bad) and everything since has been for the birds. While Stevie and Prince never had one album define them the way Thriller did (one can argue Songs In The Key Of Life and Purple Rain, but even most Stevie and Prince fans will admit they've had better albums), they were both on a roll releasing masterpiece after masterpiece for six or seven albums straight. Plus, Stevie and Prince IMO were more into the musician field while Michael was an entertainer.

It really is a shame that Jackson had such a drastic decline because with OTW and Thriller, he had potential to become one of the true greats and then he blew it. It's really sad because a lot of his 80's "rivals" like Madonna, Prince, Springsteen, U2 and the sort have been on rolls in recent years releasing great music, whereas MJ is nothing but a shadow of his former self and has to rerelease Thriller to get attention for his music these days.

[88survivor]

MJ was good. He was talented. He was terrific. It is just a shame that everything turned to crap and suddenly he became the thing he is today. Was it ego? Could be. Was it lost fame? Definitely. It is just that MJ never knew how to stay on top! He could have stayed on top like Madge and all the rest, but because of his obsession as to recreating that golden moment of Thriller, he suddenly lost it completely. It's a crying shame he is remixing and remastering the classics. It shows desperation on MJ's part and that's a whole different story altogether.

[Dean Winchester]

MJ was good. He was talented. He was terrific. It is just a shame that everything turned to crap and suddenly he became the thing he is today. Was it ego? Could be. Was it lost fame? Definitely. It is just that MJ never knew how to stay on top! He could have stayed on top like Madge and all the rest, but because of his obsession as to recreating that golden moment of Thriller, he suddenly lost it completely. It's a crying shame he is remixing and remastering the classics. It shows desperation on MJ's part and that's a whole different story altogether.
I agree with you totally. I think MJ lost his way because he wanted to cling to that fame he had with Thriller. Granted, Thriller was a golden moment in time, but it was 25 years ago. It's true that he was never going to top the success of Thriller, but I think if he had accepted Thriller as a "fluke" and went on his merry way, his career would've been much more fruitful. The type of success MJ had with Thriller isn't something you can just go into the studio and aim for, it was a strike of lightning. When you look at all the other 80's superstars and their biggest seller, you'll notice how the majority of them have never tried to duplicate it (I said "most" because Def Leppard comes to mind, they cloned Hysteria with Adrenalize, and they faded into irrelevance in the 90's as a result), and while sales eventually went down, they still have respectable enduring careers.

With all the Jacko collections on the market, I think the best, by far, is "The Essential Michael Jackson". It has four tracks from Off The Wall, seven tracks from Thriller, eight tracks from Bad and seven from Dangerous (plus a number of Jackson 5/Jacksons/early solo material). Only two tracks after 1991 as well. It's the "all killer, no filler" collection for him that isn't lacking anything major.

[Dean Winchester]

to those who have Thriller or a MJ Greatest Hits type cd in your collection (i.e., people who actually will still buy a cd of his for the music regardless of the personal things that he's gone through. Are you planning to get the 25th anniversary edition?

I personally am avoiding it because I don't really want a bunch of useless "modern" mixes of the songs I grew up with. However, if Michael was doing with Thriller what U2 just did with the 20th anniversary edition of The Joshua Tree and loaded it up with tons of rare demos and alternate tracks (there are a few on the 2001 remaster, but most of them are excerpts), I would consider buying another copy of it. I don't necessarily know who he's aiming this remaster for. Most people who bought Thriller in it's day are between 30-50 now and aren't generally your target Fergie or Kanye West fan, and kids who love Kanye aren't gonna buy music that came out in 1982 unless it's sampled. So it's really a pointless rerelease. The packaging looks really nice, but I would rather have some tracks from the vault circa 82-83 from Jacko than a few lame remix versions that will massacre the original tracks.

[Austin Tripper]

I think Billie Jean was a fantastic song too. The way it starts, everything about it.

I felt the same exact way when I was a kid when it came out :cool: but when you get older and see the true facts and ignore Epic/Michael's public relations bs for the Thriller Era you find out allot of it was and is Smoke & Mirrors!

I have always wondered why reporters never do research when it comes to music and michael jackson promotion company claims. I have notice that the white media has rewritten history when it comes to him. They give him credit for things he didnt do first.


All the way up to 2003 in the Martin Bashir Interview, Michael was bragging about "creating" the groove for Billie Jean.

- Facts: Billie Jean

Hall & Oates released in 1981 "I Can't Go For That" - Listen to the first minute of this song.. the Bassline, the Groove.. even where the interesting sounds come in match... 1982's Billie Jean. The only difference is Quincy & MJ sped up their version a 1/2 a second.

Hall & Oates 1981 - I Can't Go For That

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEZZK5Wvnbk

Michael Jackson 1982 - Billie Jean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9_ZP8HMz6Y

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- Facts: Moonwalk

When the media writes stuff like this 25 years later and dont do research is the reason why this guy gets credit for a moment he didnt do anything but copy a Dance Move called "The Backslide".

The Backslide/Moonwalk was ON TV in 1979 from a known dance group Electric Boogaloo on Soul Train. The exact dance move.

The Backslide/Moonwalk was on TV again in 1982 with Shalamar's Jeffery Daniels moonwalking on Top of the Pops in a song "A Night To Remember".

The Backslide/Moonwalk was IN MOVIES in April 1983 from Mr Wiggles in the Movie Flashdance. Compare his Backslide using a unbrella to Michael Jackson's Moonwalk on Motown 25 released May 16th, 1983.. Night & Day and yes it was in Pop Culture in the mainstream before MJ's "transcendent moment in pop history"

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- Facts: Race - ie: First Black Video on MTV

Michael Jackson has said he is the first black video on MTV. This has polluted the mainstream way to long! This has been written so many times, no one checks their facts and its just rewritten over & over.

1982 Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five "The Message" was the first black video on MTV in October of 1982.

1982 Prince & The Revolution - "1999" was the first black artist in heavy rotation on MTV in October of 1982

1983 Prince & The Revolution - "Little Red Corvette" was the first black artist to have 2 videos and clearly more then a one hit wonder for the station... February 1983

THEN Michael Jackson's "Beat It" was released on MTV in March of 1983.
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The Media has rewritten True Facts & History when it comes to Michael Jackson's Prime with Thriller... yes we were being played in the media with his "God Like Hype" as we saw from 1987 - 2003 with Michael Jackson using the media for his "Jacko Stunt" relevence.

I would hope ONE DAY someone in the media will write the truth about this guy's hype.. It has been 25 years and we are still seeing the whitewashed lies about his peak! But with Google and researching Music History, MOST of Michael Jackson was Smoke & Mirrors Hype! It was like a little snowball rolled down a hill and it got bigger & bigger, with no one doing research on the actual facts!

- Facts: Lip Syncing doesnt take talent!!

We are talking about a guy who if you watch the old performances that he feels that The Sea should Part:rolleyes: 99% of them were LIP SYNCED! Watch most of his Tours and almost ALL of his TV Performances were Lip Synced.

Watch his TV Performances they are ALL Lip Synced! His Motown 25 (lip synced) His 1988 Grammy (lip sycned) His 1993 Super Bowl (lip synced) His 1995 MTV & Soul Train "comeback" (Both lip synced)

2 Places you CAN NOT Lip Sync were:
- Arsenio Hall Show: Michael used the show for publicity, but couldnt be exposed for being over hyped, so he went on to get some odd Award with Eddie Murphy.

- Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for his Solo Career... He actually went on stage with a CAST on his Leg:rolleyes: Pretending to hurt his leg, hurt or not, someone in the audience of his peers said "SING!!!!!" He just had nervous laughter. He could have said " I broke my foot and can dance tonight, so I am going to sit on a stool and sing Ballads.

Facts are Facts. But with Michael it seems everyone ignores them?

[88survivor]

True, True, True....but don't forget Elvis. He was not entirely original. His dance moves was copied from a black man. The song,
"Hound Dog" was originally sung by Willa Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, but Elvis made it more famous. Don't forget the saying: Everybody copies from somebody. MJ copies James Brown & Marvin Gaye(learned dance moves from street kids), Elvis copies a black guy who did the dances, Billy Idol stoled Elvis' snarl, Prince copied in style of Jimi Hendrix, etc. It just goes to show that everyone copies anybody. For example, my Puerto Rican race is not original. They copied Latin music from the African tribes. Our figurines of Saints are strictly European Roman Catholic created, not entirely Spanish. Yet, still we are credit as the one creating Latin culture. In otherwords, you could say the same thing and it would not make a difference. Sorry, I am on a limb here. With MJ, yes, there is a lot of debate, but you could say the same thing with any star before MJ. Everyone copies a person and that is history in the making still.

[Dean Winchester]

- Facts: Race - ie: First Black Video on MTV

Michael Jackson has said he is the first black video on MTV. This has polluted the mainstream way to long! This has been written so many times, no one checks their facts and its just rewritten over & over.

1982 Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five "The Message" was the first black video on MTV in October of 1982.

1982 Prince & The Revolution - "1999" was the first black artist in heavy rotation on MTV in October of 1982

1983 Prince & The Revolution - "Little Red Corvette" was the first black artist to have 2 videos and clearly more then a one hit wonder for the station... February 1983

THEN Michael Jackson's "Beat It" was released on MTV in March of 1983.

I noticed that too!!! On YouTube awhile back, someone put up some commercials taped off MTV around December 1982, and in one of their "MTV in stereo" ads, they showed the 1999 video when showing the difference between stereo and mono. And December 1982 was a few months before Billie Jean and Beat It were released to MTV. Everyone credits Michael Jackson, but Prince broke down the race barrier on MTV before Thriller was released. I think Prince just happened to "fit in" better with the new wave and hard rock that was all over MTV at the time moreso than Billie Jean did, I bet Beat It would've gotten airplay anyways

[Dean Winchester]

- Rock & Roll Hall of Fame for his Solo Career... He actually went on stage with a CAST on his Leg:rolleyes: Pretending to hurt his leg, hurt or not, someone in the audience of his peers said "SING!!!!!" He just had nervous laughter. He could have said " I broke my foot and can dance tonight, so I am going to sit on a stool and sing Ballads.

I agree, I remember that too. That was so pathetic of him, that was bordering on Britney-VMA laziness. Everyone alive who gets inducted in the Hall Of Fame ends up performing a few songs and has a jam session with everyone else at the end of the night. I thought Michael's handling of his induction was very unprofessional and disappointing. He easily could've sung for the audience and they would've been just as happy, I don't get why people like him and Britney think that if they have a sprained ankle or cast on the leg, that suddenly they can't sing period. For most recording artists, getting inducted into the HOF is a once-in-a-lifetime moment and a moment to be proud of because they worked so long and hard to get there, yet Michael treated it like it was a Paris Hilton court-date.

[catlover79]

What was that whole thing where he thought he was getting an "Artist of the Millennium" award, and it turned out it was just for Album of the Year? I forget the story behind that.

Remember when he was included in 2002's American Bandstand 50th Anniversary Special?? He was introduced several times as "The King of Pop, Michael Jackson". He may have been the King of Pop at one time, but certainly is not anymore. More egotism, I guess. ohno:

[Ireneparalegal]

:lol:
All I know is MJ did his part in history by selling music. Whether he copied moves from the Lockers or any of those other dancers from the 70's (MJ was a part of the 70's music scene as well) he has acknowledged copying James Brown's moves and having many inspirations. I have never heard MJ say on television or any other interview say that he created this or that, he was the first person to do this or that, but when he has talked he mentions the inspirations for his music, his dancing (he credits Fred Astaire as well). Very rarely will you find an artist nowadays who is 100 PERCENT original. They all have inspirations and they of course copy things.

American Bandstand and Soul Train is notorious for having their musical guests lip-synch. So I have no idea why MJ is being singled out. :lol: As much as I love "live" performances, I grew up watching those two shows and knowing artists were not singing live.

I love The Jackson Five, The Jacksons, Michael Jackson's OFF THE WALL & THRILLER. And so do many others. I love it for what it is and whether it made the history books or not doesn't change how I feel abt the music. If MJ borrowed ideas from other singers, hey so be it. Nothing wrong with that. Rappers do it all the time.

[Dean Winchester]

I am gonna rebump an earlier post since I know there's a lot of people who at least like 80's MJ here


to those who have Thriller or a MJ Greatest Hits type cd in your collection (i.e., people who actually will still buy a cd of his for the music regardless of the personal things that he's gone through. Are you planning to get the 25th anniversary edition?

I personally am avoiding it because I don't really want a bunch of useless "modern" mixes of the songs I grew up with. However, if Michael was doing with Thriller what U2 just did with the 20th anniversary edition of The Joshua Tree and loaded it up with tons of rare demos and alternate tracks (there are a few on the 2001 remaster, but most of them are excerpts), I would consider buying another copy of it. I don't necessarily know who he's aiming this remaster for. Most people who bought Thriller in it's day are between 30-50 now and aren't generally your target Fergie or Kanye West fan, and kids who love Kanye aren't gonna buy music that came out in 1982 unless it's sampled. So it's really a pointless rerelease. The packaging looks really nice, but I would rather have some tracks from the vault circa 82-83 from Jacko than a few lame remix versions that will massacre the original tracks.

[catlover79]

Count me as one of the folks who will NOT buy the new edition of Thriller. Besides, I have enough CDs already. :lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

Oh hell no. I like the original THRILLER.

[Austin Tripper]

True, True, True....but don't forget Elvis. He was not entirely original. His dance moves was copied from a black man. The song,
"Hound Dog" was originally sung by Willa Mae "Big Mama" Thornton, but Elvis made it more famous. Don't forget the saying: Everybody copies from somebody. MJ copies James Brown & Marvin Gaye(learned dance moves from street kids), Elvis copies a black guy who did the dances, Billy Idol stoled Elvis' snarl, Prince copied in style of Jimi Hendrix, etc. It just goes to show that everyone copies anybody. For example, my Puerto Rican race is not original. They copied Latin music from the African tribes. Our figurines of Saints are strictly European Roman Catholic created, not entirely Spanish. Yet, still we are credit as the one creating Latin culture. In otherwords, you could say the same thing and it would not make a difference. Sorry, I am on a limb here. With MJ, yes, there is a lot of debate, but you could say the same thing with any star before MJ. Everyone copies a person and that is history in the making still.

Sure everyone has influiences! No problem there!

The difference is HE & His Record Label puts it all out there that HE Created this stuff, that he should be given credit. That he is some sort of Jesus Christ on Earth because of his Talents in Music?:rolleyes:

- Michael Produced and Owned the rights to the 2001 CBS Special, listen to the voice overs from the paid by MJ.. Announcer. He talks about MJ's Dancing, Career which is a script written by him like he is some sort of God! That whole night was blueprinted by the MTV Icon show that was given to Janet Jackson and NOT him! So he through himself one... Listen to the Voice Overs.

Epic Records & planted the seed in everyones head on Michael's "Talents" & Records for 25 years:rolleyes:

- Michael promoted himself as "Mr Moonwalk". He even named his book after it.

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- Example: If you watch ( Return of the Jedi ) NOT ONCE does anyone bring up the word "EWOK"... but we all know that word? Why?? Because of the Major Push of George Lucas and the Toy Market.

When you think of Return of the Jedi you first think of.. EWOK

Same with Michael Jackson the first thing you think of is... Moonwalk

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** Now allot of my problem is now after that seed was planted, lazy Entertainment Shows & Younger brainwashed by the media performers in interviews just babble these LIES! Even MTV!! the owners of MTV now.. dont even know thier own history! They even write he was the First Black Artist on the Station?

It's more of One BIG "Whitewashing" of the Truth by Michael & Epic Records on everything and the lazy media never checks its facts.

*NO Other Artist you named or could name takes time out of their day to put out Misinformation on over hyping themselves for "influences".

By the way Michael hasnt ever said he was Influenced by Hall & Oates for Billie Jean! He was just on Martin Bashir's Interview acting like the sea should part because of that bassline groove... pssst he stole.

[Austin Tripper]

I noticed that too!!! On YouTube awhile back, someone put up some commercials taped off MTV around December 1982, and in one of their "MTV in stereo" ads, they showed the 1999 video when showing the difference between stereo and mono. And December 1982 was a few months before Billie Jean and Beat It were released to MTV. Everyone credits Michael Jackson, but Prince broke down the race barrier on MTV before Thriller was released. I think Prince just happened to "fit in" better with the new wave and hard rock that was all over MTV at the time moreso than Billie Jean did, I bet Beat It would've gotten airplay anyways

Your right, Thriller the Album wasnt even released before Prince had a Music Video on the Network! Prince was on MTV in October of 1982. Thriller the Album wasnt even released until Dec 1, 1982. The ALBUM! Forget Videos, etc.. Plus the first song released was "Wanna Be Startin Something"... this isnt even a issue if someone remembers like us Old Cats ;)

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Yes I totally remember that commerical!!! I can see your older like me in your late 30's... I totally remember that "MTV in stereo" with 1999, that was used to promote Michael first video on the station which was Beat It.

:) I'd love to see that clip if you or anyone can find it on Youtube... please post a link here

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But yeah Michael was like the 4th Black Artist on the station.

-Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
-Eddie Grant - "Electric Ave" was another One Hit Wonder before MJ!
- Prince

Then MJ. If you notice, Beat it was a mix of all 3, thats why it was chose it for the all rock/white network.

Beat It's Video = Street, Gangs & Hard Guitar. The dancing was all MJ and thats what he brought to the table which was different for that time period of MTV which was little less then 2 years old. But clearly they picked a song that was catered towards the MTV Crowd.

The funny thing is the Misinformation of MJ - His Record Label - His Fans - The Mass Media. That Michael Jackson was the FIRST Black Artist on MTV?:eek: :rolleyes: I have heard people on tv for years calling him the "Jackie Robinson of MTV"

[Austin Tripper]

I agree, I remember that too. That was so pathetic of him, that was bordering on Britney-VMA laziness. Everyone alive who gets inducted in the Hall Of Fame ends up performing a few songs and has a jam session with everyone else at the end of the night. I thought Michael's handling of his induction was very unprofessional and disappointing. He easily could've sung for the audience and they would've been just as happy, I don't get why people like him and Britney think that if they have a sprained ankle or cast on the leg, that suddenly they can't sing period. For most recording artists, getting inducted into the HOF is a once-in-a-lifetime moment and a moment to be proud of because they worked so long and hard to get there, yet Michael treated it like it was a Paris Hilton court-date.

Michael once hurt his leg back in the early 1990's for a Soul Train Awards show, I believe the song was "Remember the Time..

Michael didnt cancel.. He went on stage LIP SYNCED (of course ) and then when it was time to dance.. he sat in the chair. Then when the dancing part was done, he stood up and then Lip Synced again...

WHY Michael is "Grandfathered Clause" in for his Lip Syncing is beyond me... He is no different then the other hacks like Paula Abdul, Britney Spears, Hillary Duff.. Ashlee Simpson's of the world.

[Austin Tripper]

:lol:


American Bandstand and Soul Train is notorious for having their musical guests lip-synch. So I have no idea why MJ is being singled out. :lol: As much as I love "live" performances, I grew up watching those two shows and knowing artists were not singing live.

.

Sure lets ignore American Bandstand - Soul Train - Solid Gold... because they didn't always have the sound systems for their TV shows.

Whats the excuse for The Grammys? MTV Music Awards? Super Bowl Haftime Show? Motown 25?

ALL of his MAIN - MAJOR - HISTORIC TV Performances were:

ALL Lip Sycned!

- His Peak * Motown 25 - Lip Synced straight off the album. You can see towards the end, he doesnt know if he should pretend to sing the verse or the double ups (because of the way it was mixed for the album) this moment messes him up and his dancing, so he grabs the microphone stand and crunches forward.

- His Comeback Post-Thriller * Grammy's of 1988 - About 15 Minutes Long and LIP Synced. The last 30 seconds are live and his voice sounded like poop!

- The Biggest Stage of the World * Super Bowl 1993 - As big as you can get! 100% LIP Synced. When he does the talking part, the cue is off and the song starts to early and MJ has to put down the live hand held microphone.. and then place the Head Piece Mic down and start pretending to sing.:lol:

- Music Comeback after his "personal problems" * MTV 1995 - 15 minutes Long and ALL LIP Synced. He even did something even odder... Kurt Loder reported on the Post-Show that Michael had a "Cheering Applause Track" with the Lip Sync Track! Kurt in fairness said he didnt need it because people clapped.. BUT MJ is so calculated that He & his Record Label wanted to FOOL the Public at home.. that he puts a Pre-Taped Cheering Track? wow:rolleyes: pretty sad

*Billy from the Smashing Pumpkins even said when interviewed on the MTV Music Awards Post-Show... that this guy get 3 Standing Ovations for Lip Syncing for 15 minutes???

- Music Comeback after his "personal problems" * Soul Train Music Awards 1995 - It was the same exact Lip Synced stage show from the MTV Music Awards (except no Slash) But the second song which was a Ballad "You are not alone" NO dancing, NO Excuses of being out of breath.. Michael Lip Sycned that as well!! He was just standing there pretending to sing.

[Ireneparalegal]

Sure lets ignore American Bandstand - Soul Train - Solid Gold... because they didn't always have the sound systems for their TV shows.

Whats the excuse for The Grammys? MTV Music Awards? Super Bowl Haftime Show? Motown 25?

ALL of his MAIN - MAJOR - HISTORIC TV Performances were:

ALL Lip Sycned!

- His Peak * Motown 25 - Lip Synced straight off the album. You can see towards the end, he doesnt know if he should pretend to sing the verse or the double ups (because of the way it was mixed for the album) this moment messes him up and his dancing, so he grabs the microphone stand and crunches forward.

- His Comeback Post-Thriller * Grammy's of 1988 - About 15 Minutes Long and LIP Synced. The last 30 seconds are live and his voice sounded like poop!

- The Biggest Stage of the World * Super Bowl 1993 - As big as you can get! 100% LIP Synced. When he does the talking part, the cue is off and the song starts to early and MJ has to put down the live hand held microphone.. and then place the Head Piece Mic down and start pretending to sing.:lol:

- Music Comeback after his "personal problems" * MTV 1995 - 15 minutes Long and ALL LIP Synced. He even did something even odder... Kurt Loder reported on the Post-Show that Michael had a "Cheering Applause Track" with the Lip Sync Track! Kurt in fairness said he didnt need it because people clapped.. BUT MJ is so calculated that He & his Record Label wanted to FOOL the Public at home.. that he puts a Pre-Taped Cheering Track? wow:rolleyes: pretty sad

*Billy from the Smashing Pumpkins even said when interviewed on the MTV Music Awards Post-Show... that this guy get 3 Standing Ovations for Lip Syncing for 15 minutes???

- Music Comeback after his "personal problems" * Soul Train Music Awards 1995 - It was the same exact Lip Synced stage show from the MTV Music Awards (except no Slash) But the second song which was a Ballad "You are not alone" NO dancing, NO Excuses of being out of breath.. Michael Lip Sycned that as well!! He was just standing there pretending to sing.
:lol: :lol: Obviously you hate MJ. Does the guy owe you money or something? :lol:

I love his music. When he did BAD that was it for me. That was no longer the MJ I grew up with and knew. I think many can say the same. You had to grow up with the original MJ to appreciate his talent, dancing (he was great at doing the Robot) and producing skills. I didn't follow his career after BAD so I can't agree or disagree with what you posted. Whether it is true or not I can't say. I don't even want to bother to research that.

[Dean Winchester]

:lol: :lol: Obviously you hate MJ. Does the guy owe you money or something? :lol:

I love his music. When he did BAD that was it for me. That was no longer the MJ I grew up with and knew. I think many can say the same. You had to grow up with the original MJ to appreciate his talent, dancing (he was great at doing the Robot) and producing skills. I didn't follow his career after BAD so I can't agree or disagree with what you posted. Whether it is true or not I can't say. I don't even want to bother to research that.
you jumped off with Bad, I jumped off with Dangerous (I liked some of the songs off the album, but that was when it was very obvious that the magic was fading), we both quit when we were ahead :lol:

It's sad how he's turned into such a trainwreck in the past 12-15 years. If you would've told me as a kid that in 2008, Madonna and Prince would still be in top form as performers as they near 50 whereas MJ would be an embarassment, I never would've believed you.

[Dean Winchester]

Your right, Thriller the Album wasnt even released before Prince had a Music Video on the Network! Prince was on MTV in October of 1982. Thriller the Album wasnt even released until Dec 1, 1982. The ALBUM! Forget Videos, etc.. Plus the first song released was "Wanna Be Startin Something"... this isnt even a issue if someone remembers like us Old Cats ;)

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Yes I totally remember that commerical!!! I can see your older like me in your late 30's... I totally remember that "MTV in stereo" with 1999, that was used to promote Michael first video on the station which was Beat It.

:) I'd love to see that clip if you or anyone can find it on Youtube... please post a link here

actually, I'm in my late 20's, I just happen to love the music of the 70's and 80's (I have old Soul Train, Solid Gold, Friday Night Videos, vintage MTV, etc... on DVD from traders) so I like to look at the vintage stuff on YouTube at times. By the time I was really aware of music, Michael was already well into the Thriller era and Prince was popular with 1999, but the more research I've done, Prince did predate Michael by a few months, yet never receives his credit.

I say we should have another boycott/march on MTV, this time not because of racism, but because of musicism :lol: . You have to stay up till 5 am to see a half hour of MUSIC on MUSIC TELEVISION.

[Austin Tripper]

:lol: :lol: Obviously you hate MJ. Does the guy owe you money or something? :lol:

I love his music. When he did BAD that was it for me. That was no longer the MJ I grew up with and knew. I think many can say the same. You had to grow up with the original MJ to appreciate his talent, dancing (he was great at doing the Robot) and producing skills. I didn't follow his career after BAD so I can't agree or disagree with what you posted. Whether it is true or not I can't say. I don't even want to bother to research that.

Hate? No.. my eyes are just wide open and I dont fall for any of his bull-poop! I more or less left MJ with BAD. That was when it was all over and I just started noticing that Music was secondary for him. He got into "Jacko Stunts" and music was just secondary. Sure with all those major producers their is going to be a song from time to time that is pretty good after Thriller.

But when you look back with a your eyes wide open and your not brainwashed as a kid in 1982, you start noticing this guy never sings live and just repeats the same moments of my childhood youth??

* It's like Jim Carey, remember when Dumb & Dumber was the funniest movie ever!!!:cool: :lol: NOW when you see him repeat that blueprint over ... and over... and over, to the point where he cant even make a money now!!! NOW when you see 10 years of watered-down versions of "Dumb & Dumber"... when you go back, to watch the original... its NOT as good :(

That's Michael Jackson with Off the Wall's blueprint being repeated for every solo album. Everytime out it got worse and more watered down.

What was new and amazing in 1983.. when repeated and never moved away from that... Thats amazement loses it luster.

But NO I dont hate the guy! I just see him for what he is.. and call him out for all his smoke & mirrors lies.

[Austin Tripper]

I say we should have another boycott/march on MTV, this time not because of racism, but because of musicism :lol: . You have to stay up till 5 am to see a half hour of MUSIC on MUSIC TELEVISION.

I know :lol: who would think in 2007 no musican would be the king of the network??


Telia Tequila is the Michael Jackson of 2007:rolleyes:

What happened to MTV??????:mad: :( :confused:

[MrCleveland]

Another good reason why not to like MJ! If he had to sell stuff, he should sell back all the Beatles songs since he's that cocky!

I think he's jealous because Jacko is whiter than McCartney!

[Dean Winchester]

Hate? No.. my eyes are just wide open and I dont fall for any of his bull-poop! I more or less left MJ with BAD. That was when it was all over and I just started noticing that Music was secondary for him. He got into "Jacko Stunts" and music was just secondary. Sure with all those major producers their is going to be a song from time to time that is pretty good after Thriller.

But when you look back with a your eyes wide open and your not brainwashed as a kid in 1982, you start noticing this guy never sings live and just repeats the same moments of my childhood youth??

* It's like Jim Carey, remember when Dumb & Dumber was the funniest movie ever!!!:cool: :lol: NOW when you see him repeat that blueprint over ... and over... and over, to the point where he cant even make a money now!!! NOW when you see 10 years of watered-down versions of "Dumb & Dumber"... when you go back, to watch the original... its NOT as good :(

That's Michael Jackson with Off the Wall's blueprint being repeated for every solo album. Everytime out it got worse and more watered down.

What was new and amazing in 1983.. when repeated and never moved away from that... Thats amazement loses it luster.

But NO I dont hate the guy! I just see him for what he is.. and call him out for all his smoke & mirrors lies.

I agree with that said. Michael was amazing at one point in time, but he never really evolved afterwards. Once Thriller became the biggest album of all time, I think Michael completely lost his way and suddenly his only goal was to remain the biggest star in music instead of being the best artist he can be. I also enjoyed Bad though it was a Thriller clone, but in the past 25 years there has been no artistic growth, he's still chasing an impossible dream. I can see Michael at age 80, with his flesh all decomposed off (well, when considering MJ already looks like the Thriller zombie :rofl:) and still doing new versions of Billie Jean featuring whoever is hot at the time because he still believes he can once again recapture the fame he had in 1983-1984.

I am glad in hindsight as a kid, that while I did enjoy Michael, I was always more intrigued by Prince, and it paid off since I believe Prince's catalog as a whole is far more fruitful than Michael's, since he never let fame stifle his growth.

[Ireneparalegal]

Hate? No.. my eyes are just wide open and I dont fall for any of his bull-poop! I more or less left MJ with BAD. That was when it was all over and I just started noticing that Music was secondary for him. He got into "Jacko Stunts" and music was just secondary. Sure with all those major producers their is going to be a song from time to time that is pretty good after Thriller.

But when you look back with a your eyes wide open and your not brainwashed as a kid in 1982, you start noticing this guy never sings live and just repeats the same moments of my childhood youth??

* It's like Jim Carey, remember when Dumb & Dumber was the funniest movie ever!!!:cool: :lol: NOW when you see him repeat that blueprint over ... and over... and over, to the point where he cant even make a money now!!! NOW when you see 10 years of watered-down versions of "Dumb & Dumber"... when you go back, to watch the original... its NOT as good :(

That's Michael Jackson with Off the Wall's blueprint being repeated for every solo album. Everytime out it got worse and more watered down.

What was new and amazing in 1983.. when repeated and never moved away from that... Thats amazement loses it luster.

But NO I dont hate the guy! I just see him for what he is.. and call him out for all his smoke & mirrors lies.
A kid in 1982? Wow, so you never got to see the MJ I grew up with. I am 42...:lol: I grew up with the original Michael Jackson. THAT, is the man I know and loved. Seeing him and his brothers on television was sure a highlight. I'd love to see that occur again, but with the way MJ seems to behave, I can only dream of the good ol' days.

I left the bandwagon after BAD because I could see the trainwreck coming and I wanted to get off the train before the collision. ;) :lol: The MJ that emerged after BAD is not at all the MJ we all knew and adored. That MJ has turned into a bad Liza Minnelli look-a-like, and even appears to be a woman now. :eek:

[catlover79]

^ Irene, that's an insult to all women. :lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

^ Irene, that's an insult to all women. :lol:
:eek: Ooops. I know it is huh? But doesn't he look like one? :lol:

[Dean Winchester]

A kid in 1982? Wow, so you never got to see the MJ I grew up with. I am 42...:lol: I grew up with the original Michael Jackson. THAT, is the man I know and loved. Seeing him and his brothers on television was sure a highlight. I'd love to see that occur again, but with the way MJ seems to behave, I can only dream of the good ol' days.

I left the bandwagon after BAD because I could see the trainwreck coming and I wanted to get off the train before the collision. ;) :lol: The MJ that emerged after BAD is not at all the MJ we all knew and adored. That MJ has turned into a bad Liza Minnelli look-a-like, and even appears to be a woman now. :eek:
lol, he was a woman in the early 90's, now he's some mutant space alien made of wax :lol:

[Ireneparalegal]

lol, he was a woman in the early 90's, now he's some mutant space alien made of wax :lol:
He will be needing a prosthetic nose pretty soon. ;)

[Dean Winchester]

He will be needing a prosthetic nose pretty soon. ;)
him and Cher should star in House Of Wax II

[catlover79]

He will be needing a prosthetic nose pretty soon. ;)
This is about his 9764th nose, isn't it? He looks like a melting wax statue.

[Cactus Jack]

This is about his 9764th nose, isn't it? He looks like a melting wax statue.
I thought he WAS one?

[88survivor]

He is. It's his fault. Surgery is the devil!

[Ireneparalegal]

What money does Michael have to pay these doctors who continue to do damage to his face? He forks over loads of money and these doctors don't care as long as they get paid. Sad.

[waichingliu81]

What money does Michael have to pay these doctors who continue to do damage to his face? He forks over loads of money and these doctors don't care as long as they get paid. Sad.

the issue in regards to jacko though is not that he has so much money but he wastes it by spending it on **** and stupid ****. so not only does he need to see a shrink to sort his head out but he needs to speak to someone who can actually handle his finances properly and sack the ones he has got right now

[Ireneparalegal]

the issue in regards to jacko though is not that he has so much money but he wastes it by spending it on **** and stupid ****. so not only does he need to see a shrink to sort his head out but he needs to speak to someone who can actually handle his finances properly and sack the ones he has got right now
I said this before, but I am confused. I hear he is bankrupt and then I hear he has millions...which is it?

[Austin Tripper]

A kid in 1982? Wow, so you never got to see the MJ I grew up with. I am 42...:lol: I grew up with the original Michael Jackson. THAT, is the man I know and loved. Seeing him and his brothers on television was sure a highlight. I'd love to see that occur again, but with the way MJ seems to behave, I can only dream of the good ol' days.

I left the bandwagon after BAD because I could see the trainwreck coming and I wanted to get off the train before the collision. ;) :lol: The MJ that emerged after BAD is not at all the MJ we all knew and adored. That MJ has turned into a bad Liza Minnelli look-a-like, and even appears to be a woman now. :eek:

I saw a bunch, well mostly his Solo Career and his Last Moments with his Brothers in the late 1970's. I am 37 years old... so Thriller was really catered for my age group of the time. I was in 6th Grade and ate it all up, it was a great reign in the late 1970's - Early 1980's!!! I was one of those kids that was trying to do the Moonwalk the next morning after Motown 25. Thats was when I was basically getting into Breakdancing and EVERY older guy laughed at MJ. They all said that dance move was around for decades!!

So within days if their was a internet back in 1983, It would have debunked Epic/MJ's hype of Motown 25. If a internet existed!

I can remember the exact moment where I didnt like MJ anymore, it was at the Record Store in 1987. Weeks before the album came out, All my friends saw a Life Size Cardboard Cut Out of MJ in his BAD Album cover look:eek: we all just stood there and didnt say a word for a good 5 minutes! Then just ripped on everything. He just wasn't street anymore, wasn't cool. Then hearing the album I think I like a couple songs, but it was already pretty much over.

He had probably the best run of anyone ever from Dec 1982 the release of the Thriller Album - Febuary 1984 the last music video was released Thriller.

The reign wasnt as long as one might think, but did allot in that time period. But he has lived off this for 25 years since! It was only about 1 1/2 years of hard structured work.

Now look at him! Anyone in their 30's Cant see the SAME Artist we grew up with in the early 1980's!!
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3673/018at9.jpg
Ignore the Air Brushed "Approved" Photos for Magazines, this is the real deal! Look at his nose, there it nothing there! Look at well eveything! I blame this on his delusional ego/hanging around all greedy "Yes Men".

[catlover79]

Sad, huh? We were saying on another thread that they should redo the "Thriller" video and instead of showing him as a werewolf, show him as he looks in 2008!! :eek:

[Dean Winchester]

Sad, huh? We were saying on another thread that they should redo the "Thriller" video and instead of showing him as a werewolf, show him as he looks in 2008!! :eek:
lol, instead of the werewolf growls, he'd be saying in his high pitch voice, "ignuhent, you're being ignuhent!!!!!"

[catlover79]

lol, instead of the werewolf growls, he'd be saying in his high pitch voice, "ignuhent, you're being ignuhent!!!!!"
:brent

[Ireneparalegal]

That photo of MJ does appear to show that he does in fact have Vittilagio (sp?). I am really shocked by that. As I have continued to laugh off his claims that he does suffer from that. Look at his left arm (on your right).

Last night on 20/20 there was a black man who has that disease and they showed him with and without his make-up. It was astonishing! :eek: You never would have known he had the disease as long as he was wearing the make-up. The man's hands were all white while his face had large splotches on them. He said he was once approached and asked, "Are you black or white?" He said he can't help but think of MJ's song, "Black or White" when he deals with people like that.

After seeing that segment I started coming to the realization that MJ may indeed be telling the truth because if the splotches are large enough, rather than keep covering them with "black" make-up, MJ may rather just deal with the lightness and even out his light skin tone.

[88survivor]

Except for his nose job and God knows how many facial surgeries he had. That he won't admit. I'll have take a grain of salt from that pic. I mean, literally, a small grain of salt. MJ might have that disease or not, but, face it, this guy been living in a bubble since 1984. He is so cut off from reality that the rest of the people that deal(trust me, I seen some) with this disease are more normal than MJ. I mean, if he did have the disease, why the whole 9 yards with the surgical procedures? Stupid.

[Ireneparalegal]

Except for his nose job and God knows how many facial surgeries he had. That he won't admit. I'll have take a grain of salt from that pic. I mean, literally, a small grain of salt. MJ might have that disease or not, but, face it, this guy been living in a bubble since 1984. He is so cut off from reality that the rest of the people that deal(trust me, I seen some) with this disease are more normal than MJ. I mean, if he did have the disease, why the whole 9 yards with the surgical procedures? Stupid.
Well, I can't say much abt the plastic surgery. Only he knows why he has done that. I am merely talking abt the skin disease itself. At least there is proof in that pic that he may have been telling the truth abt the disease. Now, why he did got rid of his nose and added a cleft to his chin, he may have been pondering changes to his face for a long time. Although, he has gone far beyond what is normal. Maybe he took advantage of the skin disease he has and decided to make his appearance appear "white" all the way. :crazy:

[88survivor]

MJ might have reasons, but there is so vague that the public could see him as not normal by today's standards. Like his behavior. His strange attitude. His weird obsession with Elephant Man's bones. Bubbles. Thinking it is platonic to sleep with kids he doesn't know at all. I mean, really, he needs either get his head examined or another trip to the courts. But he'll win again because American justice is so screwed up. Had it been an Arab court nation that MJ dealt with child mollestation there, they would persecuted his ass, had his wrists cut, and sent him to the firing squad.

[waichingliu81]

I said this before, but I am confused. I hear he is bankrupt and then I hear he has millions...which is it?

i'd probably do a search on the web and find out the truth. the media are telling conflicting stories and by doing that they are not being totally honest with us. last i read he was so financially poor he had to sell off his beatles record collection to pay off the debts he had

[88survivor]

I heard he was so poor in financial ruins that he was living with his mother in Las Vegas.

[Ireneparalegal]

See, we all hear different things. I heard he actually bought a home in Las Vegas. Never heard a thing abt his mother though.

[Dean Winchester]

I don't think Michael Jackson will ever be completely poor. His back catalog still sells very well on a weekly basis, and don't forget the Fab Four catalog he owns

[88survivor]

You got a point, Dean. I can't argue with that.

[Ireneparalegal]

Yeah, but his income vs. his outgoing spending... *tipping the scales*

I wonder if he even knows how much he has or doesn't have? I am sure his name alone gets him "credit" or loans for such things as property/homes, etc.

[88survivor]

Well, he buys, buys, buys, and hides from the media. Not working. Judging that he never had a college education or school education about the value of a dollar in his life, my guess is that he finally learned that you can't be in debt for over two years or more.