Nudist Colony

[MrCleveland]

There was an Unsolved Mystery episode where there was a murderer st a Nudist Colony and first...did the pixelate the naughty bits and second...is that guy arrested?

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I don't remember a nudist colony murder... I remember a nudist colony molestor...and they showed no nudity and captured the guy.

Memory's fuzzy on a murder, though. I'm sure someone else will chime in if one happened. :)

[crystaldawn]

Yes Cricci the only one I remember is about Garland Russell. He lived in a nudist camp and ended being a conman and a child molester. He was captured and I believe his real name turned out to be William Eugene Hilliard.

[MrCleveland]

Thanks for thr info.

It is a bad idea to be in a Nudist Colony and be a Molester, there's too much temptation there.:eek:

[joshypiano]

I personally think it's a bad idea to be a molester

[justins5256]

Thanks for thr info.

It is a bad idea to be in a Nudist Colony and be a Molester, there's too much temptation there.:eek:

I dunno. Nudist colonies are typically populated by people that no one would want to see naked.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I dunno. Nudist colonies are typically populated by people that no one would want to see naked.


:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

[kadrmas15]

Yes, William Eugene Hilliard is still alive, he was convicted of capital sexual battery against a child under 12 and he was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison where he remains today, Hilliard is in his 60's now.

[Corky Kneivel]

Just a little thetical for all your hypos, if you will....

If your given birth name was "Maurice Lester"...would you ever, in any circumstances, let someone hang the knickname "Mo" on you?

I don't think you would.

[phillipscurve]

Just a little thetical for all your hypos, if you will....

If your given birth name was "Maurice Lester"...would you ever, in any circumstances, let someone hang the knickname "Mo" on you?

I don't think you would.


:eek2:

[justins5256]

Yes, William Eugene Hilliard is still alive, he was convicted of capital sexual battery against a child under 12 and he was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison where he remains today, Hilliard is in his 60's now.


I may have asked this before, I can't remember, but...

I can't recall on which version of the broadcast I saw this, but it must have been post capture, yet pre-conviction. Stack said, in voiceover, that if Hilliard was convicted on all counts, he could receive the DEATH PENALTY!!!!!

I always wondered what was up with that. Any legal scholars on here care to comment?

[kadrmas15]

Hey Justin, well, under Florida law a person can face up to the death penalty if convicted of first degree murder or capital sexual battery which is molestation of a child under 12.

Now, at the time of Hilliard's arrest, the two options of punishment for that crime, if you took it to trial anyway, were the death penalty or 25 to life, no one on Florida's death row at least currently is on there for just sexual battery.

However in theory a person could get the death penalty for that crime but it never happens. In 1995 capital sexual battery in Florida became a mandatory life without parole sentence if convicted. You can still get the death penaly for it but it never happens.

Several southern states have the possibility of the death penalty if convicted of child molestation of a child that is younger than 11 or 12 years year old. However almost always they get life or something lesser.

Only one person in this country is currently on death row that is not convicted of murder. That is in Louisiana where a repeat child molester was given the death penalty in 2003. Others have got the death penalty before for the same crime but the sentence is easily reduced on appeal to life or a set number of years. People in Florida have got it before but their sentences were always reduced to life.

[sdb4884]

Is the death penalty still an option for convicted child molestors?

personally I think David Harry Fisher shoud have been executed for molesting and murdering Lauralee Burbank.

[Clockworkhigh]

I dunno. Nudist colonies are typically populated by people that no one would want to see naked.

Yes so true, I mean don't let the websites fool you either. They wouldn't show an 80 year old woman sunbathing in order to attract you there. It'll be a hot 25 year old with her friends running along the beach. Not to mention the way they attract FAMILIES of all things there, believe it or not somehow these websites get away with posting nude pictures of children who are FAR below the age of 18. I know nudity straight up is not pornography but come on. Anyways yes, a bad place for a child molester to visit :rolleyes:

[sdb4884]

What happened to Robert Eugene Hillard who molested that young girl at the nudist colony? it said that he could recieve the death penalty :eek:

[crystaldawn]

What happened to Robert Eugene Hillard who molested that young girl at the nudist colony? it said that he could recieve the death penalty :eek:

He was sentenced to life. Found his picture on the Florida Dept. of Corrections website and it is scary....:eek:

[sdb4884]

Thanks Crystaldawn!

wow he didn't age too gracefully did he? :eek:

[mphs95]

He was sentenced to life. Found his picture on the Florida Dept. of Corrections website and it is scary....:eek:

I'm sure a raisin head like him made some new friends in Florida. I'm usually against the death penalty, but for him, I'd light up Ol Sparky.

[Corky Kneivel]

See that picture right there is Exhibit A on why a nudist colony is only a good idea "in theory" for me.

I'd imagine lots of hot women playing volleyball and tennis, we'd have slumber parties and play truth or dare, I'd be the only male volunteer at the Annual Nudist Colony Bake Sale For Charity...good times. But then I'd actually get there and it'd be nothing but wrinkly old freckled men every where I turned. Just a bunch of hairy sloppy men with their yam bags hanging to their knees. All of them hoping to see some boobage. And the worst part is: I'd now be one of them.

[TracyLynnS]

Gah! I can't believe families really live in these nudist colony things. Back in the 70s, my aunt took her three kids to spend their summers in a FL nudist colony for years. My aunt stays drunk continuously and was most certainly drunk the whole time she had her kids at the nudist camps. The kids' dad was working full time and was traveling out of the state and country during those summers.

I think women can be extremely naive as to what's going on in a guy's mind when nekkid people are running around everywhere. There's no way I would have ever let my kids be nude in public nor place them in a situation where nude adults are constantly on display. Personally, it seems beyond odd, but at the very least it seems like a guaranteed combination for sex crimes: drunk/passed out mom, dad out of town, naked kids surrounded by naked adults and strangers.

Anyway, one of my cousins who spent time in the nudist colony is now in prison forever on repeated drug charges. The oldest is a nurse and the middle child is a minister's wife. I don't think their nudist colony lifestyle contributed to their futures, tho, just thought I'd throw that out there...

[XCalibur]

He was sentenced to life. Found his picture on the Florida Dept. of Corrections website and it is scary....:eek:

Holy hell. :eek: I thought I remembered from the UM broadcast that case and I was thinking he was a fairly young guy in that reinactment. But if he looks that old he must have been in his 40's when that took place. I can't remember exactly when that happened, just vaguely remember the segment.

I know its been twenty years or more but it still doesn't seem like he should look that old.

Its said they usually criminals and even serial killers typically don't look scary, but thats proof right there that there are exceptions.

Its not so much he looks scary in an I can whip your *** kind of way, just in a weird way.

[XCalibur]

He was sentenced to life. Found his picture on the Florida Dept. of Corrections website and it is scary....:eek:

Holy hell. :eek: I thought I remembered from the UM broadcast that case and I was thinking he was a fairly young guy in that reinactment. But if he looks that old he must have been in his 40's when that took place. I can't remember exactly when that happened, just vaguely remember the segment.

I know its been twenty years or more but it still doesn't seem like he should look that old.

Its said they usually criminals and even serial killers typically don't look scary, but thats proof right there that there are exceptions.

Its not so much he looks scary in an I can whip your *** kind of way, just in a weird way.

[kadrmas15]

Yup 25 years to life, I think he will be eligible for parole in 2014. But he is in his early 70's and I think even back then he would have looked older had he not had the hairpiece on top of his head. However according to the FL DOC his real name is Garlon Russell and William Eugene Hilliard was one of his aliases whereas UM said the opposite.

[kadrmas15]

The one thing about Florida law that is kind of contradictory is, okay, if you molest a child under 12, as in if there is penetration and you are convicted of that, you get 25 to life under batteries that happened before October 1st, 1995. On or after that date it is LWOP. Yet if you molest a kid that is 12, there is no mandatory life sentence if convicted. Is it really that worse to molest a kid that is 11 than to molest a kid that is 12?

He must have taken it to trial, because back then, had they offered a plea deal, it probably would have been the lesser charge of lewd conduct with a child under 12 which at that time anyway was a 2nd degree or 15 year felony.

[MegtheEgg86]

The one thing about Florida law that is kind of contradictory is, okay, if you molest a child under 12, as in if there is penetration and you are convicted of that, you get 25 to life under batteries that happened before October 1st, 1995. On or after that date it is LWOP. Yet if you molest a kid that is 12, there is no mandatory life sentence if convicted. Is it really that worse to molest a kid that is 11 than to molest a kid that is 12?

Seriously. Aren't all individuals under the age of 18 considered minors under common law? Why not just apply the "under 12" law to ALL minors? Laws like that tend to unwittingly penalize the victim, under such ridiculous criteria as being a certain age when one's already in an age-based category that should be working to specially protect them from heinous crimes. :mad:

[kadrmas15]

Yes, I have wondered myself about this wildly contradictory law in Florida on this issue. Florida is one of the more corrupt states in terms of the law but you would think they would have at least got it right here but evidently they have not. In Florida, the age of consent is 18, which is odd considering their wildly contradictory law, of it is evidently not so bad to rape a 12 year old as it is to rape an 11 year old. To add insult to injury, Rusty did this crap to the 11 year old girl on my 4th birthday, August 28th, 1988.

Looking at Florida law, an offender, currently who commits either Capital Sexual Battery or Lewd and Lascivious battery upon a child under the age of 12 is subject to a life felony. Now for the Capital Sexual Battery, that would be LWOP for all offenses committed on or after October 1st, 1995 whereas with the Lewd and Lascivious battery that would be a 25 year to life prison term. It used to be Capital Sexual Battery prior to October 1st, 1995 was a 25 to life prison term and Lewd and Lascivious battery was a 2nd degree felony or maximum 15 year prison term.

Now also in Florida, one must remember the Lewd and Lascivious battery statute falls only to those 18 years of age that batter sexually a person under a certain age. For the offense above I described, the life prison term would only apply to those 18 and older who raped a child 11 years of age and younger. Otherwise if you were like 17 and raped an 11 year old, you would fall through a loophole.

Now, if someone age 18 or older commits lewd and lascivious battery upon a child from the age of 12 but under the age of 15, that is now a 2nd degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison, however prior to October 1st, 1995 this was in fact a third degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison. Now, if someone is under the age of 18 but commits lewd or lascivious conduct upon a child 12 to 16 years old, that is a third degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison, whereas before that was actually a first degree misdemeanor and even now, a person under the age of 18, if they commit lewd and lascivious conduct upon a child under 12, that remains a 2nd degree felony punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

[kadrmas15]

Also as a couple of years ago, Sunny Sands Resort was still open.

[mozartpc27]

See that picture right there is Exhibit A on why a nudist colony is only a good idea "in theory" for me.

I'd imagine lots of hot women playing volleyball and tennis, we'd have slumber parties and play truth or dare, I'd be the only male volunteer at the Annual Nudist Colony Bake Sale For Charity...good times. But then I'd actually get there and it'd be nothing but wrinkly old freckled men every where I turned. Just a bunch of hairy sloppy men with their yam bags hanging to their knees. All of them hoping to see some boobage. And the worst part is: I'd now be one of them.

^Winner!

[kadrmas15]

Bob Pickens, the businessman ripped off by Rusty and who had helped Rusty post bond, died in 1994 at the age of 62, just three days short of his 63rd birthday. Gordon Meyer, the investigator on the case is still with the Volusia County Sheriff's Office where he is now a Captain. Dennis Noonan, who owned the Sunny Sands resort back then is still in Florida although he now works for a medical supply company in Deerfield Beach, Florida which is in Broward County, Florida in south Florida.

[TracyLynnS]

Regarding the death penalty for sex offenders (minus a death/murder accompanying the original crime)....

I believe there used to be 5 states that had the death penalty as a possible sentence for raping a child. (Maybe Kadrmas and I talked about this a couple years ago..... I can't remember.)

There was a particularly heinous case in the south, maybe Louisiana, where a man had raped his daughter (step-daughter?), who was about 10 years old, so savagely that she required multiple surgeries and, I believe, it caused her to be sterile.

If anyone deserved death for a sex crime against a child, it was this guy. I think his case went all the way to the supreme court, sometime in the past couple years, and they ruled that it was unconstitutional. Seems like all of the states that had the DP for those offenses had to change their laws.

I'll go dig around the internet and see if I can find the info on this case. I'll post back if I find something.

[kadrmas15]

Yeah, in Louisiana, it was Patrick Kennedy I believe his name was, no not the son of the late Ted Kennedy, but a guy in Louisiana who was on death row for raping his step daughter, 8 years old at the time of the rape. Kennedy is still in prison but his death sentence was thrown out and I believe he was re-sentenced to life in prison. It was a 5 to 4 SCOUTS decision, Anthony Kennedy, John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer in the majority, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, John Roberts and Samuel Alito in the minority.

[TracyLynnS]

Here's an NY Times article on the supreme court ruling:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/washington/26scotuscnd.html

Partial quote:

The death penalty is unconstitutional as a punishment for the rape of a child, a sharply divided Supreme Court ruled Wednesday.

The 5-to-4 decision overturned death penalty laws in Louisiana and five other states. The only two men in the country who have been sentenced to death for the crime of child rape, both in Louisiana, will receive new sentences of life without parole.

This was the case I was recalling. I had some facts wrong in the previous post:

The case, Kennedy v. Louisiana, No. 07-343, was an appeal by one of the two Louisiana inmates, Patrick Kennedy. He was convicted and sentenced to death in 2003 for raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter, whose injuries were severe enough to require emergency surgery. The Louisiana Supreme Court upheld Mr. Kennedy’s conviction and rejected his challenge to the constitutionality of his sentence.

These are the states and quick recap of their laws regarding this crime:

The Louisiana law extending the death penalty to the rape of children under the age of 12 dates to 1995. The states that followed were Georgia, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. Unlike Louisiana, those states all require that a defendant have a previous rape conviction or some other aggravating factor in order to be subject to the death penalty, and no one has yet been sentenced to death under any of the laws.

[TracyLynnS]

Another article on this particular crime:

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-04-15/justice/rape.execution_1_penalty-for-violent-crimes-billy-sothern-louisiana-prosecutors?_s=PM:CRIME

[TracyLynnS]

Looks like lifetime is going to be airing the spike tv incarnation of the eugene hilliard case today.