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*ClassicPinUp*
11-07-2007, 12:27 AM
Anyone else notice how the cracks in the walls of the Kramden apartment seem to appear and disappear?
This first picture is from Principle Of The Thing which according to the Lost Episodes aired on 4-30-55. The second is from Alice's Aunt Ethel which aired on 3-14-53. Why would the later episodes have the crappy walls? I know as the show went on the apartment looked a little better -less dark, few more things, and the walls improved.- but in these it's the total opposite -earlier episode has the better wall, later episode has the cracked wall?- Besides the walls and door (*notice the door knobs in these pictures*) does anyone notice other things that seem to go back and forth?
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Bill S.
11-07-2007, 03:08 AM
Anyone else notice how the cracks in the walls of the Kramden apartment seem to appear and disappear?
This first picture is from Principle Of The Thing which according to the Lost Episodes aired on 4-30-55. The second is from Alice's Aunt Ethel which aired on 3-14-53. Why would the later episodes have the crappy walls? I know as the show went on the apartment looked a little better -less dark, few more things, and the walls improved.- but in these it's the total opposite -earlier episode has the better wall, later episode has the cracked wall?-
Well, I think the reason there were cracks in the walls in "Principle Of The Thing" was to give the illusion of the place falling apart. Things like that seemed to only be present when the storyline called for them, very much like how there was (what appeared to be) real glass in the Kramden's window frame in "A Promotion," when Norton shattered it to let some air in...I'm pretty sure that was the only time real glass, or a substitute thereof, was seen in the Kramden's window.

Besides the walls and door (*notice the door knobs in these pictures*) does anyone notice other things that seem to go back and forth?
The scenery outside the kitchen window definitely changed over the years. Even the appearance of the fire escape (which was obviously painted over the backdrop) changed noticeably as time went on. As a matter of fact, in most, if not all of the earlier episodes, there wasn't even a fire escape visible. That's one thing that caught my attention in "The Prowler"...there was no fire escape in sight, but the prowler still somehow managed to make his way into the Kramden's second story window.

I've often wondered how many set changes were made from 1952 to 1955, it had to be at least 2 or 3, but I can't be sure. They used the same set as the Classic 39 during the 1956-1957 season, but there were definitely a lot of changes made before the Classic 39. It's hard for me to figure out since the episodes haven't been released in order (hint hint MPI), and plus I still have them on VHS, so that makes it even more difficult for me to go through them all and mark down the differences.

*ClassicPinUp*
11-08-2007, 10:42 AM
Here's A Promotion it was hard to get a full picture since the camera never pointed straight at the window but it gives an idea. It's sooo hard to get a good, clear screen cap due to the grainy condition the Lost episodes are in.
Anyway, I noticed something about the window breaking. If you watch Norton before he actually breaks the window he lifts the chair up kind of slowly to the window.. making it look like he just missed or something. When he pulls the chair back to try again there are two lines where he had pressed the chair that were not there before. I zoomed in on these lines while watching the episode and it looks like black marker or something. The second time he hits the window right on the markings and the window breaks.

Window
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Pulling away after first hit
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Marks on window
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After second hit it breaks Okay, I'm not sure why but it isn't letting the picture show up?? I keep getting that red "X"
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*ClassicPinUp*
11-08-2007, 10:44 AM
The Prowler. Good eye on this one! I never took notice of the missing fire escape!
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The famous hot, soapy, looking coffee! Remember the entire thread dedicated to wondering what the heck Audrey dropped into that cup :rofl:
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Bill S.
11-14-2007, 07:25 AM
I noticed something about the window breaking. If you watch Norton before he actually breaks the window he lifts the chair up kind of slowly to the window.. making it look like he just missed or something. When he pulls the chair back to try again there are two lines where he had pressed the chair that were not there before. I zoomed in on these lines while watching the episode and it looks like black marker or something. The second time he hits the window right on the markings and the window breaks.
That's weird, I never noticed that before. He probably wanted to line it up just right, it would've looked silly if he hit it hard and it didn't shatter. I wonder what those black lines are though...:confused:

The Prowler. Good eye on this one! I never took notice of the missing fire escape!
You know what's funny? Well, besides the prowler coming into the window from a non-existent fire escape...the fact that he decided to climb into the Kramden's window in the first place. Looking at it from a prowler's perspective, wouldn't you want to avoid any apartment with the lights on? Also, what's up with Ralph freezing up like that after the guy hit him? It's not like he was unconscious or anything...his eyes were open the whole time!

The famous hot, soapy, looking coffee! Remember the entire thread dedicated to wondering what the heck Audrey dropped into that cup :rofl:
:lol: How could I forget? We never did get to the bottom of that did we? So many mysteries in this episode...