What is your race?

[LucyFan]

What is your race: White, Black, Asian, Latino, Mexican, Hispanic, American Native(Indian) ect?
Just wondering . . .

[LucyFan]

I'm white.

[angel676]

Caucasian!

[dawsongirl]

Blanca, aka White.

------------------
Get your kicks on Route 66!

Congratulations to the 2001 Winston Cup Champion- Jeff Gordon!

[Kay Scarpetta]

Ima white person. I wish yall could see a picture of me. I litteraly am white

[ks]

white

ks

[Max Whittaker]

I am mixed. Mainly mexican. But I like to think of myself as 100% pure American.

[ISmellFine]

White...pale...yesy.

------------------
-Queen Kaley Jinny Exstead: Prez of the ILOTI Club

On April 24, 2008, Dana and I are going to handcuff ourselves to Nancy McKeon and Jay Harrington.

Five Queens, one code: Hell Raising

The one and only [dum dum dum]: Nancy McKeon Supersite (http://www.angelfire.com/stars2/NancyMcKeon)!

[Jorules]

I am white.

[ks]

Originally posted by Max Whittaker:
But I like to think of myself as 100% pure American.

I'm with ya there, Max http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif


ks

[DJM77]

I'm a gringo, (white person).

[Truth]

White

------------------
Results of the World Sitcom Awards, And it has the poll for the Best Sitcom of all time! Vote now! (http://jwillhight.topcities.com/sitcomawards.html)

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Human Race

[Chocoholic]

I'll answer this question the way I always answer questions like this. I'm a human being.

[folfan01]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Human Race
I sure hope so! *LOL*


------------------
~~*~*~*~*~*~~
§*°~¤~°*$arah Joanne Polniaczek*°~¤~°*§
~~*~*~*~*~*~~
Gal: Hi. What's your name?
Kevin: Kevin. Kevin Arnold.
Gal: Hi Kevin Kevin Arnold!

(after steph drove joey's car in the kitchen)
Joey: AHHHHHHH! Is this my punishment for not refilling the ice tray?!
~~*~*~*~*~*~~
Wassup
~~*~*~*~*~*~~
See ya! *leaves*

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Originally posted by folfan01:

I sure hope so! *LOL*


Hey- not everyone belongs to one single so-called "race" (and as a side-note I think that it is important for everyone to realize that some people will take offense when asked this type of question, especially mixed people).

Besides, anthropologists point out that there is only one race: the human race. I agree, and find it sad that many people like to divide up the human race based on skin color.

I think that some of you might find the following link interesting:
http://www.gazette.net/200018/frederickcty/state/10106-1.html



[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 11-30-2001).]

[Penny Lane]

White

------------------
Cupcake

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Besides, anthropologists point out that there is only one race: the human race. I agree, and find it sad that many people like to divide up the human race based on skin color.


I'm with you. Sociologists point out that same thing....race is nothing but a human construct. There are no biological markers for race, at least non that have been discovered so far. In other words, if you had someone's genetic code, and that was all you knew about them, and assuming you knew how to read that genetic code, or gave it to someone who did, they may be able to tell you what sex the person is, or perhaps their eye color, but they would not be able to tell you what race they are. I just think that's interesting.

FOL & DS fan 4ever, thanks for posting that article, I hope people take the time to read it. It's nothing new to me, b/c I have studied both anthropology and sociology, but that article nicely sums up in a neat little package exactly how social scientists feel about race, and how hopefully one day everyone will feel about it....

If you don't read the article, I guess the best way to sum it up in the fewest words is this: The first step to ending to racism is for people to realize that race is not real.



[This message has been edited by Bootsy Whoosh (edited 11-30-2001).]

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
If you don't read the article, I guess the best way to sum it up in the fewest words is this: The first step to ending to racism is for people to realize that race is not real.

Here Here!! I couldn't have said it better myself.

For the record, I consider myself to be 100% American!

D

[triple19]

Originally posted by Ags2000:


For the record, I consider myself to be 100% American!

D


Ditto!

[Mossopp]

Maybe it's just me but I don't spend a lot of time analysing myself. I don't wake up in the morning and think "ok, my name is....my gender is....my colour is....my sexual preferance is.....my country of birth is...." and I don't do that in regard to other people either. I'm not saying I never make judgements or assumptions about other people, because I think we are all guilty of that. I'm just saying that things like that shouldn't be important.
I actually think the question of "what race are you?" is a really redundant one. The fact of the matter is that, to each other, we are just people - names - who use a particular message board. What does it matter what colour we all are?

------------------
"This life has been a test. If it were an actual life you would have recieved instructions on where to go and what to do."
- Angela, 'My So-called Life'

"...everything was there and around us. We knew exactly who we were and exactly where we were going. It was grand."
- Gordie, 'Stand By Me'

"First you gotta do the Truffle Shuffle!" - Mouth, 'The Goonies'

[DarleneIllyria]

I'm really really pale white. Atleast I have freckles on my arms though or people would think I was a ghost or something! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Thanks Bootsy and Ags- I'm glad that you all are with me on what I said.

Oh- and Mossopp- I think you've summed it up pretty good too!

[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 11-30-2001).]

[~*hosebabe87*~]

I knew it, I was thinking of posting this a couple days ago, but I knew some people would be offended so I didn't. And I don't think there is anything wrong with some people being offended because some people just are. I, personally, am not so I'll answer the question...I'm white

[Kitt]

Lucy fan asked a question out of curiosity. I doubt any disrespect was intended. Still, I like when we have an opportunity to learn something on the board. The article that FOLDS pointed us to ( I read it) is informative and enlightening. Thanks for that FOLDS. Bootsy's comments were also helpful and her summary is useful because some of the members won't read the article. Mossop, who like all of us do, expresses pride in his homeland on occasion, in his case, Scotland , congratulated himself for lacking curiosity, I guess. I don't know what it is that he summed up

[Bootsy Whoosh]

hosebabe, I don't think anyone was offended here. I wasn't. And like kitt said, I also don't think LucyFan meant to offend anyone.

I think all FOLDS did was take advantage of an opportunity that presented itself to educate people on a very important issue.

[Kay Scarpetta]

Originally posted by Jenny:
I'm really really pale white. Atleast I have freckles on my arms though or people would think I was a ghost or something! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ditto. Only I have a problem. My freckles are starting to FADE. People are starting to say I look like a kid from the Sixth Sense. Although, I have noticed that Irish people usually have very pale skin, very white, so maybe that's why I am that color

[Ewan's My Man]

White...kinda tan...not really though...I hate the winter...I lose a lot of the tannish color I get in the summer.

------------------
~Lauren/Laudie~
Ya Born, Ya Move On, Ya Die, That's Life-Jo
Ya not a cat ya don't have 9 lives so don't push it!-Me
Email: Lavenderangel7@aol.com
or
musicdiva467@hotmail.com
or
chicago6789@hotmail.com
or
irishhottie77@hotmail.com
or
nancy_jo_rox4466@hotmail.com
as some of u can see I went a little hotmail crazy. HEHE!
If u have MSN messenger contact me using nancy_jo_rox4466@hotmail.com
Visit my Nancy McKeon page that is nowhere near done!
www.angelfire.com/tv2/nancy_jo

[LaverneShirley]

Originally posted by Jenny:
I'm really really pale white. Atleast I have freckles on my arms though or people would think I was a ghost or something! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

I'm literally white, too. Only no freckles! Just a few across my nose, but other than that... I swear, I look like a blizzard.

[ILuvJo&Blair]

I'm mixed with black, white, native american, and indian.

[Jinny Rockz]

White

*¤*~^~«ÅÏ¥ J!ñÑ¥ j0 Ѫñ©y §Ä®å Mª®îË PøLñ!Ä©zÈk m¢kË0n ê×$+ÉÐ Hã®®¡Ng+0n LÃpöÎÏA P®iNzE»~^~*¤*

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Wow, I missed a lot. Anyway, no- no offense taken here. I just wanted to point that out b/cuz the majority of people I know who are of so-called mixed ancestry feel quite uncomfortable when asked this question. Being "mixed" myself I manage to observe this from time to time.

But for those of you who don't know what it's like to be "mixed"- let me ask you this- how would you feel if it was mandatory to fill out that info on an application, and you really couldn't accurately and comfortably answer that question?

Anyway, as for me, I'm just glad I live in CA, because we are no longer required to answer that question here.

Oh, and BTW- variation in the human race IS a great thing; it would suck if we all looked the same!

[KerriBerri687]

im white...and very pale white...with freckles..hehe

[dawsongirl]

Originally posted by Jenny:
I'm really really pale white. Atleast I have freckles on my arms though or people would think I was a ghost or something! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Same here! And with medium brown hair, I look SO washed out! I'm thinking of dyeing it lighter, but ????

[Kay Scarpetta]

Originally posted by dawsongirl:
Same here! And with medium brown hair, I look SO washed out! I'm thinking of dyeing it lighter, but ????

That's what I had to do. I put highlights in mine, because I looked like one of those people from.. from... I dunno where, but... I was just gettin so sick of being pale lol

[DarleneIllyria]

Listen up everybody that is really pale white. I'm going to give you the best advice that I have ever told anybody. Everybody listening? If you are really pale white, and can't tan then I have a few words for you. DO NOT USE FAKE SUNTAN LOTION TO GET A TAN!!! I've tried it before, and it looked like I rolled around in dirt. Please just be proud of your paleness and don't use fake products that make you look like you rolled around in dirt. Thank you. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Kay Scarpetta]

LOL Jenny, I have tried it. I turned out looking like an "Oompa Loompa". It was horrible.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by Jenny:
Listen up everybody that is really pale white. I'm going to give you the best advice that I have ever told anybody. Everybody listening? If you are really pale white, and can't tan then I have a few words for you. DO NOT USE FAKE SUNTAN LOTION TO GET A TAN!!! I've tried it before, and it looked like I rolled around in dirt. Please just be proud of your paleness and don't use fake products that make you look like you rolled around in dirt. Thank you. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Actually I have used sunless tanning lotion with success. It's all a matter of finding the right brand and taking the time to learn how to apply it properly. You do seriously have to invest time into researching it....I spent over 2 hours or more online combing various sites finding the best brand and all the best advice on how to apply it properly. Using it should not be taken lightly, because you can end up looking stupid, but if you take the time to educate yourself first, it shouldn't be a problem. Of course, there is certainly nothing wrong with learning to love yourself the way you are, too!

[Kitt]

This is what I like about this board. If I were in a room where women were talking about the do's and don'ts and the 'to wear or not to wear' tanning lotions, complete with internet exploration, I'd go make a sandwich and come back when the conversation worked it's way back around to something I might know something about. Or at least could pretend to know something about. On the board I can just eavesdrop. I'ts fun!

[Bootsy Whoosh]

kitt, it's not eavesdropping if you tell us! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Curtis3331]

Uhhh....I'm white, but who cares what everyone is. I know you didn't mean to offend anyone Lucyfan.


http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

peace

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by ~*hosebabe87*~:
I knew it, I was thinking of posting this a couple days ago, but I knew some people would be offended so I didn't. And I don't think there is anything wrong with some people being offended because some people just are. I, personally, am not so I'll answer the question...I'm white

First off, this is a long post, so I'll appoligize now. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

I wasn't offended at all. I just come from a different place then most people do. I've grown up around all sorts or races and never thought anything of it. With dad being in the Navy I met people of all backgrounds.

However, since living in south Texas for the past long while, race has become a big issue. My eyes have opened alot more, and not all of it was nice to see.

My grandparents, and even my parents, grew up in a time when most people were racist, especially in the south. To this day my dad's mom refers to african american's with the "N" word. It still shocks me when I hear her. When she grew up, that's what they called them. My grandmother can still remember having slaves (Yes she is old. She is 94) My mom's parents aren't that bad, but they can still refer to minorities in derogatory terms.

My parents are the same way to a point. They are set in their ways about how relationships should be. My parents and I have gone round and round on just this topic. They have told me I can only date or marry a white guy. We have had many an arguments over this. My generation, is trying to open up and accept all people regardless of age, sex, or race. But some prior generations are stuck in their way.

It's not just the prior generations either. Some of my generation is just as racist as their parents. I don't know how many of you have ever heard of the Hopwood case. It is a case that was only just settled this past week in Texas when the University of Texas gave up on it's appeals. It's been going on for a while. (If you want more info, let me know) It was about reverse discrimination. Discrimination against whites. You should have seen the uproar it caused down here. They didn't think that that was possibe but it is.

I don't know how it is where you are from, but down here they keep preaching that they want equality, but then they say "I'm a minority, I deserve to go to school for free, or be able to get into school with lower grades then a white person." That is what the Hopwood case was about.

That is what really gets me. The ones who say I want equality then turn around and support affirmative action. In my opinion, it's just being 2-faced.

I'm sorry if I've made anybody mad, that was not my intentions. I'm just sick and tired of everybody making race or sex or anything along those lines a big issue. What should it matter? We are all human beings, isn't that enough?

D

[Kitt]

Ags, your Grandparent's attitude isn't as out of the ordinary as you would like to think. They're just more outspoken about it. Bigotry still pervades our society. Race shouldn't be an issue but it. We have a ot of work to do on it yet.

Affirmative action, like most any government program, is rife with abuses. But all and all, what took place for 250 years or more won't be turned around in fourty years or so of affirmative action programs. Many people who speak against it misrepresent it. For example, quotas are not a part of affirmative action, and women, not racial minorities, have been the largest group of benefactors of the program.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by kittflynn:
Affirmative action, like most any government program, is rife with abuses. But all and all, what took place for 250 years or more won't be turned around in fourty years or so of affirmative action programs. Many people who speak against it misrepresent it. For example, quotas are not a part of affirmative action, and women, not racial minorities, have been the largest group of benefactors of the program.

Agreed. Affirmative action has its problems, as all government programs do, but I don't think it is two-faced to say you want equality and then support affirmative action, for the simple fact that talking about equality does not make it happen. The playing field between blacks and whites in terms of access to education and better jobs will not just magically become level just from good intentions and talking.

The misconceptions people have about affirmative action are just about as bad as the misconceptions people have about welfare. I could go off on a huge tangent here, but since that isn't the topic of this thread, I will spare you.

But kitt brings up a very good point...women need to watch what they wish for if they run off their mouth about how bad affirmative action is, because many people forget that women benefit from it too, in most cases more so than minorities, and if it suddenly weren't there anymore, who knows what would happen.

Personally, my main beef with affirmative action is that it is, like so many government programs, too little too late. The disparities in access to quality education need to be fixed long before the college level, which requires state governments to look into alternative means of financing education, and more importantly, means of distributing dollars spent on education more evenly. And most importantly of all, to NOT USE VOUCHERS!!! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/mad.gif

[This message has been edited by Bootsy Whoosh (edited 12-03-2001).]

[Kitt]

I'm not sure if you understood that I agree with what you wrote Bootsy. One reason I pointed out the abuses.is to say that examples of it not woking can easily be found if someone is choosing to undremine the program. The misrepresentation of it that is done by some people is done on purpose for the same reason. And no I don't think that it's two faced to be for affirmative action and strive for equality because the 'playing field' has been lopsided forever. Good intentions alone will change that about as much as a chintzey lock on a door will keep out thieves.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by kittflynn:
I'm not sure if you understood that I agree with what you wrote Bootsy.

Yes I understand that we are in agreement. I merely quoted you because I was agreeing with what you were saying. When I was talking about the playing field and whether or not it was two-faced, I was replying to something Ags2000 had said. Perhaps I should have quoted her too to clear up the misunderstanding.

[Kitt]

I've seen Ward Connerly debate this topic with Cornell West. When I disagree with someone like Connerly I try to figure out if the person is convinced of, and truly committed to their stance, or thick-headed, or right and I'm wrong or, as is the case I concluded with Connerly, for some agenda that I'm not clear about, just simply lying. When I see him faced with the facts in debate and then stand and talk as if he heard nothing that was said rather than address what was said, what else could I conclude?

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by kittflynn:
And no I don't think that it's two faced to be for affirmative action and strive for equality because the 'playing field' has been lopsided forever.

That was a comment that I said Kittflynn.

I've looked at affirmative action alot, down here it is a very big topic as I've mentioned earlier. I have done several research papers about it and I still don't like it. I know that it helps women probably more then minorities, but I still don't think that it is right for anybody to get a one up because of sex or color. All it does, in my opinion, is bring in new prejudice because people are mad that somebody else got that job because of their sex, or that somebody else got into that college because of the color of their skin.

I just don't like it at all. I don't think sex, race, or age should even be on the application forms for jobs or college. That would help somewhat. I know there will still be prejudiced people out there that will still do it, but I don't want it done for me. I want to get that job based on what I can do, not what catagory I'm in.

That might be a bit idealistic on my part, but that is my wish. That one day it will happen, and I just don't see it happening as long as there are laws saying you have to admit this percentage of minorities into your school or hire this many women.

D

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by Ags2000:
but I still don't think that it is right for anybody to get a one up because of sex or color. All it does, in my opinion, is bring in new prejudice
D

Ah there's the sticky widget though. I respect your opinion, but I have studied it alot as well, and have studied social problems in general alot, seeing as it is my major...I don't not like affirmative action but I don't love it either...

The thing is, these people aren't getting a "one up" because of their sex or color. Can't you see that men and whites already have a "one up"? That is how I see it at least. White priveledge is so ingrained into our culture that we don't even see it.

Racism is not caused by a box on a form. Racism is institutionalized and rationalized into every facet of our lives, from education, housing, jobs, and benefits, to access to voting, to a million other things that I don't need to list because you can come up with your own.

[Ags2000]

Maybe I should tell you why this is a problem for me. I am the youngest of 4 kids. All of us have had to work our buts off to make our way through college. We were not eligible for grants or even financial aid because our parents made too much. My dad was an enlisted man in the Navy. Do you know how much he got paid? Not nearly enough for the 4 of us to go to college with. My mom also recently went back to college and got her degree. She is now a school teacher. Everybody knows that they are WAY underpaid. At one point there were 4 of us in college at one time. Let me tell you, that is not exactly cheap.

The thing is, I never had help either getting in college or paying for my college. I have friends that I went to highschool with who are hispanic that got into some pretty good schools with a free ride because of affirmative action. If they had hire grades then me, I would not be complaining, but I graduated Cum Laud in the top 10% of my class. Some of these people that got these free rides had WAY lower grades then I did. We did apply to some of the same schools. I would get the same letter. They only had enough openings for the government mandated minorities. Do you know how hard that was for me? I had my heart set on going to my college of choice. I had the highest grades out of all of my siblings and I was turned down because I was not a minority, because of the fact that I was white. THAT is why it irks me so, because I've been messed up by this system that is supposed to help equal things out.

Maybe I'm being too harsh on affirmative action, maybe I'm not. Maybe I need to distance myself from this for a few more years to have an objective opinion. I don't know. All I know is that it didn't work for me, it worked against me.

While I'm having to go and get a full time job and loans out in town to go to school, people I went to school with are getting a free ride just because they are hispanic. I have no beefs with them, they are my friends, I have a beef with the system.

D

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Ags2000, I am sorry that happened to you. Actually, a similar thing happened to me too. There were these 2 brothers, Hispanic, that went to my high school. We all ended up at the same college, but they got free rides, whereas I, of course, did not.

This is when I have a problem with affirmative action. These kids were just as priveledged as me (in fact more so) growing up. This is a case when it worked when it really shouldn't have. The problem is there is no easy way to differentiate on paper a situation where affirmative action is not needed, and a situation when it is needed.

The other thing to keep in mind though, is that affirmative action is not supposed to work for you and me. It is supposed to work for the underprivelegded.

The only way disparities in society will ever change is if the privelged are willing to give some things up for the underpriveledged. This is far from occuring, and hence I think equality is really just a pipe dream. Maybe I am too pessimistic, but we can't have it both ways, and I don't forsee those with power and priveledge relinquishing any of it anytime soon....

I am willing to admit that affirmative action is not the answer, the problem is, the people who say it is not rarely come up with any sort of pratical alternatives. Many of them simply say "race doesn't matter", but to believe that is to live in a dream world that doesn't exist. Race shouldn't matter, but there is a big difference between "doesn't" and "shouldn't".

My idea for an alternative solution is as I said before...level the playing field much sooner, before the college level. But people will still have a problem with that. There is no way to please everyone, but simply to work for the betterment of everyone, and I believe attempting to level the playing field works for the betterment of all society.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
My idea for an alternative solution is as I said before...level the playing field much sooner, before the college level.

I totally agree.

D

[Kitt]

Originally posted by Ags2000:
I totally agree.

D

--kittflynn dramatically and thoughtfully steps to the podium with articulation welling up and profound statements whirling around in his head. He grabs the attention of the silent audience and says, "And so do I Miss Ags2000 and Miss Woosh."
He steps away from the podium and the stunned audience slowly breaks into applause for the three heroic speakers as they shake hands and hug. LOL

That, by the way, is the first time i have ever used the oft' used...LOL.

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Originally posted by Ags2000:


My grandparents, and even my parents, grew up in a time when most people were racist, especially in the south. To this day my dad's mom refers to african american's with the "N" word. .



Hey Ags, I've read your posts, and I understand your thoughts. To me, there's nothing offensive about what you said.

First of all, I know how shocking it is to have family members who have their prejudices, but let's face it- we all probably do. I have ancestors who identified as "white" who used that same nasty word, and EVEN "Native American" ancestors who used it too. In my book, there is no so-called race of people who I would consider to be a little bit less prejudice than others (reminds me of that FOL ep where Mrs. G said that there's no such thing as being a little bit prejudiced.)

Second of all, as a person who can claim to be "Causian" or as some type of "minority," I agree with you about those unfair freebies that colleges give some students who earn low grades, only because they identify with a certain "race." And believe me, with my "Portuguese/Native American" ancestry on my mother's side and with the fact that her family settled in Latin America, I can claim many things, even though we haven't traced any "Spanish" blood, and no one in my family actually speaks Spanish (and funny, I actually look more Hawaiian than either).

When I was an undergraduate, I never even thought about looking into those kinds of scholarships, simply because I found them to be very offensive. To me- what those scholarships are saying is that "because you belong to a certain inferior and/or lazy 'race,' we're going to hand you some free money to go to school, since you can't make it on your own." It's like saying that certain "races" of people have limitations, and frankly I find that to be a bunch of BS. With this attitude, more people will be accustomed to believing that they have certain limitations and simply won't try as hard as they can. Maybe I'm wrong to think this way, but this is how I always saw them. You'd think I would have been smart enough to take free money, if I had the opportunity (although it might not have been that easy afterall). But no- I got in based on good grades, but did not get any free money to go to school. Based on my parents' income, I did not qualify, because they fell right smack-a-roo into medium-level income....too much money for me to qualify for free money, but not enough to pay for all my expenses upfront, w/out putting everything on credit. And now after I receive my master's degree, I will have to help finish pay off those expenses as well as the expenses that have accrued during my tenure in grad school.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Hey Ags, I've read your posts, and I understand your thoughts. To me, there's nothing offensive about what you said.


I'm glad. I was worried that somebody would take offense to what I was saying. I've been called a racist many times down here for my views on affirmative action. I've gotten used to getting a lot of flack for my views.

D

[WAY2cool4u]

I'm German, Irish, Cherokee Indian, French, and American.

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Originally posted by WAY2cool4u:
I'm German, Irish, Cherokee Indian, French, and American.

I have mostly the same mixtures as you (by society's standards), minus the French. I consider myself as ALL American, however, because I was born in the U.S.A.




[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 12-03-2001).]

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Originally posted by Ags2000:
I'm glad. I was worried that somebody would take offense to what I was saying. I've been called a racist many times down here for my views on affirmative action. I've gotten used to getting a lot of flack for my views.

D

No- it isn't racist, and I feel for you simply because I had a similar experience, but in a different way. A while back, I was renting a house as a border, and the landlord's son was going to a very good private school just because he was a football player. Now I'm all for football as a sport as much as any other American, but that's plain ridiculous. Not only did he get into that school even though his grades were lousy, he also got free money to go there. And you know what- that was years ago and needless to say, he still hasn't graduated yet.

I meant to clarify my thought on scholarships there too- ALL scholarships have certain standards- if some are partly based on certain "races" being held back in society AND they require applicants to have good grades AND be financially needy, I'm all for that. But we know that it's not quite like that, particularly on the grades part. I do regret that I didn't look into the possibilities when I was an undergraduate, even though my chances of getting anything would have been slim anyhow (there's only so much I can prove about my "background"). But I am proud that like you, I too graduated Cum Laude- which was the main factor that got me into grad school.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
A while back, I was renting a house as a border, and the landlord's son was going to a very good private school just because he was a football player. Now I'm all for football as a sport as much as any other American, but that's plain ridiculous. Not only did he get into that school even though his grades were lousy, he also got free money to go there. And you know what- that was years ago and needless to say, he still hasn't graduated yet.


Most people are going to that "very good private school" just because their parents have the money to send them there!!

Face it peeps, not all kids are going to graduate Cum Laude, no matter how hard they work at it, and not all kids parents can afford private school tuitions. So what is wrong with giving them other opportunities, whether it be through sports or other scholarship opportunities. The fact that he hasn't graduated yet is only proof that the teachers are doing their jobs, and not passing him simply because he is a football player.

I'm sure this kid already knows that he's not "good enough" to be there, and I'm sure that's a real boost to his self esteem. At least he knows he's good at one thing, football, and let's face it....getting into the pros is not a cake walk...getting him into a school where he has a better opportunity for a quality education does everyone good, seeing as how he has 2 options if his dreams at the pros fail: he can become a contributing member of society, or he can be a non-contributing member of society. Getting a better education, no matter how he got into the school, increases his chances of being a contributing member of society.

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Well, if playing football is just ONE of the deciding factors that got him in, then so be it. But come on Bootsy, do you honestly think it's fair for him to be put ahead of other students who happened to work hard and had their heart set on going to the same school? I've lived at that house long enough to learn that this guy didn't earn lousy grades because he worked hard and just wasn't able to get high marks- he was just plain LAZY. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any justification in lazy people being put ahead of people who work hard. Now just how is a lazy person going to contribute to society? Keep in mind that I'm comparing him to other students who might have gotten in instead of him based on how hard they worked; I'm not comparing him to those other students going to the same school who got in because they come from wealthy families (that's why I was a bit confused when you brought that up).




[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 12-04-2001).]

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

(ignore, this was a double-post...go ahead and laugh if you want to Ags...)


[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 12-04-2001).]

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Well, if playing football is just ONE of the deciding factors that got him in, then so be it. But come on Bootsy, do you honestly think it's fair for him to be put ahead of other students who happened to work hard and had their heart set on going to the same school? I've lived at that house long enough to learn that this guy didn't earn lousy grades because he worked hard and just wasn't able to get high marks- he was just plain LAZY. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any justification in lazy people being put ahead of people who work hard. Now just how is a lazy person going to contribute to society? Keep in mind that I'm comparing him to other students who might have gotten in instead of him based on how hard they worked; I'm not comparing him to those other students going to the same school who got in because they come from wealthy families (that's why I was a bit confused when you brought that up).



It's not fair to single out this kid who got in just because of football if you are also not willing to single out children who got in just because they can afford it. You can't logically compare him only to a select few of his classmates simply because it is convenient for you, you must compare him to all of his classmates.

There are many children, I am sure, who make the grade academically, but are denied admittance because cost is too prohibitive for their families, in which case, I am sure, children with grades not quite as good are offered admittance over the others with better grades, because they can afford it. Is THAT fair?

I am willing to admit that I don't know all the details of this particular case, and if it is true that he is in fact just plain lazy, then no, that is not fair. But that is information that you did not share in your first post.

My point is that white people and people from middle and upper class financial backgrounds often make better grades not simply because they are smarter people, but because they can afford better schools, their public schools are better financed, their schools attract better teaching personnel, their parents have the time to be invovled in their schooling, they have access to enrichment opportunities such as band, athletics, clubs, etc, and they have the time to devote to them, etc. etc. etc...

The problem is I seem to be hearing alot of sweeping generalizations that all these lazy, undeserving people are getting a leg up on [white] people who work hard. That may not be what was said in so many words, but in my mind that is the impression that is coming across, whether intentional or not. I would argue that that attitude is a gross misrepresentation of what really happens on a wide-spread basis, and as kitt said, it is easy to find problems and abuses with any system if you are looking for them. Additionally, these "underserving" people would not be disadvantaged in the first place if it weren't for white privelege.

Additionally, place the blame where it is deserved...in this case, blame goes to the school for its unrelenting devotion to excellence on the football field, blame should not be placed on the kid who would be a fool to not take advantage of such an opportunity.

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Well, first of all, I'm also willing to single out other kids who got in just b/c they can afford it- of course it's not fair! But that is not my focus here. And I am not using that one issue to my convenience either- I was simply looking at this one case for the time being. So I don't appreciate you accusing me of that.

Second, OK- I didn't share that info about him being lazy in my first post, so sue me already. But I DID mention that his grades were lousy. I had no idea that I was supposed to elaborate on just what lousy grades means in his case. And let's face it peeps, many students who earn lousy grades do NOT work hard.

Third, it's like I said, I AM all for scholarships that are designed to aid folks who come from certain "races" BECAUSE they are being held back in society, but they should ALSO work hard for those scholarships. And it can be done- even if they didn't always go to the best schools. I didn't always have that privilege either, in fact I've gone to some pretty crappy schools when I was younger. It wasn't until just before I entered college that I even fell into the category of coming from a "middle-class" family. I see what you mean about certain "unseen" factors that might go into what appears to be a "lazy" student, but how that be accurately determined on an application? As seen in the story of the football player, it can't always be fairly determined.

The final thing I want to point out is that first you indicated that it's "OK" that the school allowed him to get in because he can play football, regardless of his grades, and then you went and said "blame goes to the school for its unrelenting devotion to excellence on the football field." So it's hard for me to understand where you stand here.



[This message has been edited by FOL & DS fan 4ever (edited 12-04-2001).]

[Kitt]

I take into consideration who I'm talking to during a discussion like this. That way I can make reasonably accurate assumptions where the person stands and how sincere they are without them having to elaborate excessively. For example, Ags2000 explained her personal experience with affirmative action and said she wanted to and would keep an open mind about it. Great. That helps me to know who I'm talking with. Folds did pretty much the same thing and over time I've learned enough about her to have a good idea about what she's like. I was perplexed, Bootsy, when you gave the benefit of the doubt to the college and the kid but not Folds.When I read what she wrote, I got from her early on what she explained later to you about the kid being lazy and I felt that she knew enough about the situation to have a good and fair grasp about what was what regarding that particular kid.

Another issue. You're expressing an eltist attitude. College is not the only route to becoming a productive citizen. In fact there are a lot of degrees and expensive education diplomas collecting dust. Our society is filled with dedicated hard working people--and many more will follow- that are making their contribution and making the world a better place without, for whatever reason, a college education.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
(ignore, this was a double-post...go ahead and laugh if you want to Ags...)

If you insist! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/grineyes.gif

LOL http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/rotflmao.gif LOL http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/rotflmao.gif LOL

D

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
Additionally, these "underserving" people would not be disadvantaged in the first place if it weren't for white privelege.

I have to argue this point here. I don't think that is right. My family didn't have an easy time, and I would not call my family priveleged.

Both of my parents had to work hard to get where they are now. My mom's family was in agriculture. My grandfather ran a cotton gin. That's not exactly a money maker there. My mom was the first person in her family to go to college.

My dad was not much better off. His dad died when my dad was 7 and it was just he and his mom growing up. They struggled and dad made a better life for himself by going to college and then joining the Navy during the Vietnam War.

Being an enlisted man in the Navy is not exactly a money maker there either. Most enlisted personel are eligle for welfare but don't do it because they have been ordered (in some cases) not to because they don't want people to know they are that bad off. We have struggled my entire life to scrape by and I just have a hard time seeing why they can't do the same thing that I and my family have done, struggled to try to make a better life for oneself instead of expecting a leg up.

D

[Bootsy Whoosh]

First off, I apologize for any feathers I may have ruffled.

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
And let's face it peeps, many students who earn lousy grades do NOT work hard.

Well I personally know many kids who work very hard and still earn lousy grades, for whatever that is worth, if anything.

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Third, it's like I said, I AM all for scholarships that are designed to aid folks who come from certain "races" BECAUSE they are being held back in society, but they should ALSO work hard for those scholarships.

I don't disagree with you there. The thing that I was trying to argue is that these cases that people point to of people gaining priviledge without working for it is not the normal situation...I would argue that in MOST cases, the people who benefit from affirmative action DO work hard at it, and are simply given a boost from a society that traditionally held them back. It seems some people are trying to point to a few cases and say the system sucks based on this anecdotal evidence, when there are many other cases that are quite different from that.

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
[B]I see what you mean about certain "unseen" factors that might go into what appears to be a "lazy" student, but how that be accurately determined on an application? [B]

Again, we are not in disagreement here. I said basically the same thing back 4 or 5 posts ago. This is my biggest problem with affirmative action, and I already said so.


Kitt, I am well aware that someone can be a productive member of society whether they have a degree or not, and I guess maybe I implied that, but that is not what I meant to imply. Personally, I take offense to being told I have an elitist attitude, because I know I am less elitist than most people I know. Perhaps if we could discuss these issues face to face I could better express how I feel.


Ags2000....I guess our problem is simply semantics. When I say "white priveldge" I do not mean to imply that white people never have to work for anything. That is far from what I mean. My parents had to work damn hard to get where we are today, I think we all could share stories like that. However, I would argue that for the most part, white people don't have to work as hard as certain other members of society.

Since kitt always like to know where people are coming from, allow me to explain a bit what I have been taught about white priveldge. You all may laugh, but this is what I have been taught in my sociology classes. Here are some examples of white priveldge: Walking into a toy store and knowing you can find a doll that has your skin color. Walking into a Hallmark and finding a card with people on it that have your skin color. Walking into a Wal-Greens and finding "flesh" colored bandaids that just happen to be the color of YOUR flesh.

On a higher level, a black person is far more likely to be denied a car loan, or denied access to housing in certain neighborhoods than a white person is.

Of course this does not apply to ALL situations EVERYWHERE, and I was never trying to imply that they do. However, hopefully now you can better understand what I mean when I say white priveldge. I am not trying to imply all white people have the world handed to them on a silver platter. But while it may not seem like any big deal that someone can't find a doll in their skin tone, it is just one of many factors that combine and contribute to problems like low self-esteem.


I can see that I am not really getting my point across at all and most everybody disagrees with me anyway, so I am going to withdrawl myself from this conversation for now. I am not clearly expressing my thoughts for whatever reason, and right now I suppose I am not being a good spokesperson for my point of view, so instead of completely tarnish my point of view, I'll just shut up. Unless I can think of something to say that more clearly illustrates how I feel.


[This message has been edited by Bootsy Whoosh (edited 12-04-2001).]

[Kitt]

I don't believe that you ARE an elitist, Bootsy, I said you were expressing that attitude. I'm sure if we talked face to face we'd get some of this figured out. And remember I'm a believer in affirmative action--it just needs work. And I agree that white privilege means lots of little things not just the obvious things. I just felt as though you were underestimating Folds and Ags. That was my biggest problem with what was being said. Not so much the subject it self.
Now, go read my Christmas story before I get my feelings hurt!

[This message has been edited by kittflynn (edited 12-04-2001).]

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Bootsy, no one here expects you to shut up- you have a right to express your opinion. It's just that you stumped me there when you indicated that I was only focusing on the football player for my convenience. I know you already apologized to everybody, so I'm sorry I brought it up again. No hard feelings on my part.

Even though we might still be in partial disagreement about the football player story (if I understand correctly), I see you're right about us not being in disagreement about the "underprivileged" folks in our society. You have brought up some interesting, yet sadly true details in your illustration about "how some 'races' of children are much less likely to find dolls that match their skin color." This I agree with, although it's not new to me. I have taken a cross-cultural counseling course a couple of years ago and we coved basically that same type on info about "white privileges"; going over similar illustrations as the ones you mentioned. Our class was assigned to fill out a questionnaire where we were supposed mark "yes" or "no" next to statements like:

"I can turn on the television or open the paper to the front and/or any other page and be sure of seeing people of my own race widely represented."

(also):
"If I decide to move, I am sure I can acquire housing in an area I can afford and would want to live without my race working against me."

About 98% of the people in that class were "Caucasian," and as expected almost everybody was able to answer yes to those and practically all other questions (of similar types) that were asked.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
First off, I apologize for any feathers I may have ruffled.

None needed. I like having good discussions. If I came off as I was angry, I'm sorry. I'm really not.

You all may laugh, but this is what I have been taught in my sociology classes. Here are some examples of white priveldge: Walking into a toy store and knowing you can find a doll that has your skin color. Walking into a Hallmark and finding a card with people on it that have your skin color. Walking into a Wal-Greens and finding "flesh" colored bandaids that just happen to be the color of YOUR flesh.

Hmmm... had never thought of that before. I guess I kinda took it for granted.

On a side note here, I took a sociology class in college. I hated it because the prof was so one sided. (This is another area I had problem with affirmative action) We were discussing affirmative action and the Hopwood case and some of his facts were incorrect. I approached him after class and informed him of the inaccuracies and offered to show him the test scores of the students. I was really nice about it and he had always said if his facts were wrong to please correct him. That was a big mistake. He made that class H*ll the entire semester. Since I did not see his view on it he was going to make sure that I failed his class. He could do that becasue the tests were essay.

Anyway, that's why I don't take sociology classes too seriously. However Bootsy, you made some valid points there.


D

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by FOL & DS fan 4ever:
Bootsy, no one here expects you to shut up- you have a right to express your opinion. It's just that you stumped me there when you indicated that I was only focusing on the football player for my convenience. I know you already apologized to everybody, so I'm sorry I brought it up again. No hard feelings on my part.

Our class was assigned to fill out a questionnaire where we were supposed mark "yes" or "no" next to statements like:

"I can turn on the television or open the paper to the front and/or any other page and be sure of seeing people of my own race widely represented."



FOLDS, I had to fill in the exact same questionnaire in one of my soc. classes.

I know I don't have to shut up...I didn't feel pressured to shut up by anyone, it's just that I was choosing to temporarily shut up before I stuck my foot in my mouth any further. Basically, I was hoping to maybe persuade a few people to see things from my point of view (though I wasn't necessarily trying to change anyone's mind, just to be open to seeing my side) and I didn't think I was doing a good job of that, so I decided to shut myself up before I totally turned everyone off to my point of view. If that makes any sense.

As for focusing on the football player for "your" convinience....I apologize for that statement, but as I was writing it, I was not specifically thinking of "you", as in FOLDS, I was thinking of a more generalized "you", as in anyone who was making that argument should not focus on only part of the whole group.

What I was trying to get across was that there are more people who get in without working hard (kids who simply can afford it) besides just that football player, so I didn't feel it was fair to single out someone with an athletic scholarship.

The reason I feel this way is because that I think in general, people are quick to pick on those with obvious advantages, such as athletic scholarships, and less likely to notice those with more subtle advantages, such as people who get in because they can afford to go there.

The reason I think that is so important is that alot of the things that give certain people advantages over others in a society are not glaringly obvious, they are subtle little things that you really have to look for to notice. And noticing them is the first step to changing them, if it is something that needs changed.

Also, as you may have inferred from my last post, I at least think that it is important to indicate why the child has bad grades, because as I mentioned, I personally know several people, including several friends, who work very hard but still have bad grades. I have even tutored some of these friends, but because of problems such as learning disabilities and test anxiety, they fail to make the grade.

As for where to place blame...all I was trying to say is that if anyone is going to place blame on someone/something, I don't think blame should be placed on the kid. I was not trying to imply that I personally blame anyone/anything, just that I was getting the impression that you were like picking on this kid, and I don't think he is at fault. I see now (I think) that you were more upset just at the general situation, and not necessarily at the kid.

As for how I feel about the football player...I think I confused myself beyond being able to judge http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif Basically, I think I will take the cop out and say I will refrain from judging because I don't know all the details of the situation. Perhaps his perceived laziness is really the result of a defeated attitude, like for example, if he were told all his life by teachers and parents that he was stupid, he is likely to believe it, and hence he honestly sees no point in trying. Some may call it laziness, some may see it as something else.


So hopefully, that clears up where I stand. I am glad there are no hard feelings between us, and Ags, I hope there are none between us either. I wasn't trying to purposely piss anyone off. I just don't think I was doing as good of a job as I could of to represent my opinions, and hopefully I did at least a slightly better job this go-around.

[Ags2000]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
So hopefully, that clears up where I stand. I am glad there are no hard feelings between us, and Ags, I hope there are none between us either. I wasn't trying to purposely piss anyone off. I just don't think I was doing as good of a job as I could of to represent my opinions, and hopefully I did at least a slightly better job this go-around.

Nope, no hard feelings between us on my end. I was affraid I had pissed you off there. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

D

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by Ags2000:
On a side note here, I took a sociology class in college. I hated it because the prof was so one sided. (This is another area I had problem with affirmative action) We were discussing affirmative action and the Hopwood case and some of his facts were incorrect. I approached him after class and informed him of the inaccuracies and offered to show him the test scores of the students. I was really nice about it and he had always said if his facts were wrong to please correct him. That was a big mistake. He made that class H*ll the entire semester. Since I did not see his view on it he was going to make sure that I failed his class. He could do that becasue the tests were essay.
D

That sucks that happened to you. However, please don't let one bad experience totally turn you off to the whole field! (or to sociologists, which includes me! http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif ) One reason I like sociology is that I think it does a good job of looking at society from all sides, and the different theories used by sociologists display this. I won't bore you with the details though.

[FOL & DS fan 4ever]

Whew- glad we cleared that up. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif And the only thing I blame the football player for is not applying himself after earning the scholarship, and for spending time doing foolish things that hurt his mother instead (but that's a whole new story). But as for taking the scholarship- who can blame him for that?

(End of subject, I think....).

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

I am white female, and I support affirmative action. It not only works for people of diff. races, but women too. Alot of people would rather hire a man than a woman that works better than him. I am not trying to brag in the least, but many males, truthfully, find me attractive, and this has so many drawbacks. They will say, you will get such and such, but first i would like for you to come over for a while at my place. Alot of boys only want one thing from me!! Also, as for African Americans and affirmative action, I see it like as justice for all the injustices that have been putting on them since we enslaved them. No, it won't always be fair for some hard working white men, but you also will never feel the sting of a history of oppression either, that still in some cases exists today. You say, the black kids today don't have any type of opression, but believe me, they do. You hear alot of pain if you listen to rap music about their history. In school they don't ever learn about their ancestors before slavery. Only about mostly European white males in the Middle and Dark Ages. They can't relate to that, and how do you expect them to? All Im saying is that, Affirmative Actions may have drawbacks to some of you butt busting white males, but it is to make a greater American and a more equal America for all people. Sorry this was so long.

[JDS84]

I am white.

[MLB]

I'm white.

[Barnabas1]

American! 100%100% white.



patriot: patriot: patriot: patriot: patriot: patriot: patriot:

[Jimbo]

My race? The Indianapolis 500. I also like the Kentucky Derby.

[Penny Lane]

Originally posted by Jimbo
My race? The Indianapolis 500. I also like the Kentucky Derby.
:lol:

[Kristina]

White, I'm Danish-American.

[17Mar59]

White.

To be specific:Scottish,Irish,English,Welsh,French,Swiss,German
and Dutch

Of course to be even more specific I could add
Saxon and Norman French!!!!!:)

I'm into genealogy and one thing I have learned you have
to be prepared for surprises,so ya never know what you might
find down the road!!!!:)

[Warm & Fuzzy]

Race...hmmm...Race...

That's a hard one. :rolleyes:

[Kay Scarpetta]

I think I already answered this but...

I'm Irish, Scottish and English (I for some reason group them all into "British")

But as for citizenship purposes, I'm Irish/American

[Penny Lane]

German Americanpatriot:

[Ags2000]

(I'm starting to wish I had not read this, but I have to respond to this one)

Originally posted by tcbubblegrl
...Also, as for African Americans and affirmative action, I see it like as justice for all the injustices that have been putting on them since we enslaved them...

I have a BIG problem with that statement right there. First off, I don't know about you, but I never had any slaves, and I don't know anybody who was a slave so therefor you cannot say that WE enslaved THEM.

Some of our ancestors might have owned some of their ancestors, but then why should I owe them anything? I did nothing to them and they had nothing done to them. Only our ancestors were involved with that.

I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did, and they are not responsible for anything that I will do in the future.

(and here I thought this whole topic was dead...oh well)

D

[Will and Grace Fanatic]

I'm white and indonesian. My mom white and dad is indonesian.

[vienna waits]

white

[TibbyTibby2]

:wave: white.. very white.... PALE

[Kristina]

Hmm I see I already replyed to this post but o well my dads half danish and my moms american... I'm white :p there's my family history!

[Kay Scarpetta]

I still white.....white... ghost white....pale white...

[Sean Snow]

Originally posted by Ags2000

I have a BIG problem with that statement right there. First off, I don't know about you, but I never had any slaves, and I don't know anybody who was a slave so therefor you cannot say that WE enslaved THEM.

Some of our ancestors might have owned some of their ancestors, but then why should I owe them anything? I did nothing to them and they had nothing done to them. Only our ancestors were involved with that.

I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did, and they are not responsible for anything that I will do in the future.

(and here I thought this whole topic was dead...oh well)

D

I agree with that.

I'm white as a ghost during fall/winter/spring.

[JoJoJoJoJoJoJoJoJo]

i'm a white one

[Penny Lane]

White but my husband is white and about 1/4 American Indian so I guess that makes my kids 1/8th. Right?:)

[QueenOfTheGypsies]

White.

[Czas na Zywiec]

Originally posted by Penny Lane
White but my husband is white and about 1/4 American Indian so I guess that makes my kids 1/8th. Right?:)

Correct! :lol:

I'm White. Polish-American to be exact. And about the only one on the board too. ;)

[Barnabas1]

I'm white, English American.:rolleyes:

[Plata]

Originally posted by Ags2000
.

The thing is, I never had help either getting in college or paying for my college. I have friends that I went to highschool with who are hispanic that got into some pretty good schools with a free ride because of affirmative action. If they had hire grades then me, I would not be complaining, but I graduated Cum Laud in the top 10% of my class. Some of these people that got these free rides had WAY lower grades then I did. We did apply to some of the same schools. I would get the same letter. They only had enough openings for the government mandated minorities. Do you know how hard that was for me? I had my heart set on going to my college of choice. I had the highest grades out of all of my siblings and I was turned down because I was not a minority, because of the fact that I was white. THAT is why it irks me so, because I've been messed up by this system that is supposed to help equal things out. While I'm having to go and get a full time job and loans out in town to go to school, people I went to school with are getting a free ride just because they are hispanic.

That sounds unfair to me. It's like racism the other way around. People shouldn't be getting special treatment like a free ride to school because of their race. Everyone is equal, and if they do give free rides to some students, they should give free rides to all students, not just students in the minority groups.

I'm not offended by this thread, so I'll say I'm white.

[Kay Scarpetta]

Originally posted by Babalu
I'm white, English American.:rolleyes:


English American? Aight... if you say so.

But I'm still white. White as a ghost.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Babes_Kay



English American? Aight... if you say so.

But I'm still white. White as a ghost.
Im English American too! But, I usually just go by the terms WHITE. I have nationalities (English, Italian, etc..), but theyre so small in me, you cant even notice.

[Kay Scarpetta]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Im English American too!

Oh so you were born in England? :p

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Babes_Kay


Oh so you were born in England? :p
Haha. Err...Umm...well, uh.. Anna Jacques Hospital in Newburyport, Mass. Thats KINDA close to England!:crazy:

[~Teddybear~]

IM INDIAN/BLACK...MY DARK STRAIGHT HAIR TELLS PEOPLE I'M MIXED WITH SOMETHING...

[Brian Damage]

I am White

[Chocoholic]

Originally posted by jimmiegirl48
White...Irish and Italian American.

Same here.

I consider myself part of the Human Race.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

i probarly already replied...

but italian and armenian....like 1/100% oh well.

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by Georgia's on my Mind
i probarly already replied...

but italian and armenian....like 1/100% oh well.
Ohhh... youre so exotic!!!:grineyes:

[fr00ti]

Uh, American?

[Central Perk]

I'm white and American. My ancestors came from Italy, Germany, Austria, and Ireland.

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

well, I look white but Im more than just white...Im mostly diverse.....part Swiss, part Dutch, part Pueto Rican, part Black.....even tho i look white im not, i dont ALWAYS identfiywhite even if i do have blonde hair and blu eyes.....but for the most part that'swhat ppl se me as so i do :p

[blackbeard]

An all American mutt

[Hollow]

Originally posted by Babalu
I'm white, English American.:rolleyes:
U were born in england? w/e..

Neways im almost literally white cuz im too lazy to tan so i wear makeup over my white face so it dont show up. Im american obviously, english, german, irish, and somecountrythatdoesntexistnemorethatstartsw/aBbutiforgotwhatitscalled-ish.

[Brian]

I'm white.

[Titania]

im white- irish, french, swiss, and welsh

[Mijada]

White- Belgian, French Canadian, German, Italian, Polish.

[*Melissa*]

I'm white- German, Irish, and Swedish.

[Georgia's on my Mind]

Originally posted by ¤MsConanOBrien¤

Ohhh... youre so exotic!!!:grineyes:

oh...but i am!

[Barnabas1]

Originally posted by ~°~RockAngel89~°~

U were born in england? w/e..

Neways im almost literally white cuz im too lazy to tan so i wear makeup over my white face so it dont show up. Im american obviously, english, german, irish, and somecountrythatdoesntexistnemorethatstartsw/aBbutiforgotwhatitscalled-ish. Yep! And I'm darn proud of it!:D

[Hollow]

Originally posted by Babalu
Yep! And I'm darn proud of it!:D
kool. when did u come to the US?

[AnaheimPMWitch]

I'm Dutch Indonesian so I"m Asian

[Mr. Shy Guy]

I'm White - German, Polish, Irish, and English.

[~LadyJess~]

I am, in the words of my history teacher, "a white dawg."

[Rebel Queen 1980]

I'm Hispanic.
By the way did you know if a white marries into the Mexican race or
a Mexican marries into the white race,you aren't mixed,Anglos-Mexicans belong to the same group called Caucasians,the white
only mixes they marry into the African-American race.
And that's a true fact!,Look at the kids of a Mexican and White next time,you'll hardly notice the mix.

[Krisalicious]

Asian (Filipino)

[Faith]

White ( German, Irish, English and Scottish)

[°Bubbly Blonde°]

Originally posted by JoCool
I'm Hispanic.
By the way did you know if a white marries into the Mexican race or
a Mexican marries into the white race,you aren't mixed,Anglos-Mexicans belong to the same group called Caucasians,the white
only mixes they marry into the African-American race.
And that's a true fact!,Look at the kids of a Mexican and White next time,you'll hardly notice the mix. so your saying a hispanic person is the same race as a white person? I always considered being part puetorican beingmixed....

[¤I Love Clay Aiken¤]

Originally posted by BubbleLuvGrl026
so your saying a hispanic person is the same race as a white person? I always considered being part puetorican beingmixed....
I agree. I mean, if youre half Hispanic and half American Id consider that being half & half. I wont consider it being full English.. I can see what she means though.

[ABlairican Pie]

Rat.


Woops, not THAT kind of race. :lol: Caucasian. Dutch, English, Irish.

[*MIBabe03*]

Caucasion. French,Irish,German, Bohemian.