South Park mocks Steve Irwin

[Janice]

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Oh my god, South Park mocks Irwin

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Bad taste? Steve Irwin at Satan's Halloween party

The creators of South Park have never been afraid to upset celebrities - and many of the show's viewers.

From jokes about religion and homosexuality to four-letter tirades, Trey Parker and Matt Stone have always mixed shock tactics with satire in the hit cartoon series.

But they were accused of hitting a new low last night after lampooning the demise of Crocodile Hunter Steve Irwin just weeks after his death.
The latest episode shows an animated Irwin in Hell with a stingray poking out of his bleeding chest.

Irwin, 44, died in September after he was impaled by a stingray's barb, while snorkelling near the Great Barrier Reef in Australia.
The South Park episode called Hell On Earth 2006, which was broadcast in the US this week, shows Satan preparing to host a Hallowe'en fancy dress party.

Hundreds of dead celebrities are invited, including rapper Notorious B.I.G., Princess Diana and Hitler.

But at the party Satan receives complaints from his guests that someone is inappropriately dressed up as Irwin.

Satan confronts Irwin but the Aussie environmentalist protests it is really him, not a guest in a costume.

While characters have been killed off in the series before – spawning the show's catchphrase "Oh my god, they killed Kenny!" – campaigners are particularly incensed about the stingray still being attached to Irwin's bloodstained trademark khaki shirt.

British broadcasting watchdog Mediawatch condemned the episode as "grossly insensitive."

Its director, John Beyer, said: "I think this is in bad taste. Steve Irwin's family are still grieving."

"To lampoon somebody's death like that is unacceptable and so soon after the event is grossly insensitive. It is not what the family would want to see." South Park maker Comedy Central defended the episode. A spokesman said: "It has offended people in the past and probably will again. Regular watchers would not be shocked."

[Gilda]

This is something that will never be funny. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone made fun of the way he died. R.I.P. Steve Irwin.

[KissMyGrits]

Sick and disguisting!! Ugh!!

[Seth]

...It's South Park, people. Seriously. Has NO one seen any of the other stuff this show has aired in ten years? And suddenly people can't seem to trip over their own shock and awe fast enough because the show just happened to show a guy that's been dead 2 months in a mildly amusing bit? Seriously, I've seen far "worse" when they weren't even trying - trust me, I've seen 95% of the episodes.

It wasn't even that much of a "joke". Irwin shows up at Satan's Halloween Party, which was itself a joke about that whole My Super Sweet 16 nonsense...Anyway, Irwin's dressed as himself, complete with stingray (which may have been a bit much, but I digress). Satan comes over and asks him to leave, as it's "too soon". He reveals it's really him, so he gets tossed anyway for...not having a costume.

And that's IT. THAT'S what people are so upset about. It was nothing, and wasn't even remotely relevant to the episode.

OF course, the whole Biggie Smalls/Butters subplot was one of the funnier things I've seen the show do in awhile...

[Bobby F.]

...It's South Park, people. Seriously. Has NO one seen any of the other stuff this show has aired in ten years? And suddenly people can't seem to trip over their own shock and awe fast enough because the show just happened to show a guy that's been dead 2 months in a mildly amusing bit? Seriously, I've seen far "worse" when they weren't even trying - trust me, I've seen 95% of the episodes.

It wasn't even that much of a "joke". Irwin shows up at Satan's Halloween Party, which was itself a joke about that whole My Super Sweet 16 nonsense...Anyway, Irwin's dressed as himself, complete with stingray (which may have been a bit much, but I digress). Satan comes over and asks him to leave, as it's "too soon". He reveals it's really him, so he gets tossed anyway for...not having a costume.

And that's IT. THAT'S what people are so upset about. It was nothing, and wasn't even remotely relevant to the episode.

OF course, the whole Biggie Smalls/Butters subplot was one of the funnier things I've seen the show do in awhile...

But Rush is a bad guy for his speculation of whether Michael J Fox took his meds or not and this is deemed exceptible?:crazy: I sure hope that all of those people that were blasting away at Rush on the other thread can find their way over her to show their displeasure over this.

[Ireneparalegal]

This is something that will never be funny. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone made fun of the way he died. R.I.P. Steve Irwin.
Yep. I knew it would happen. That is sad and what do they gain out of doing that? laughs? Alrighty then.

BTW, did South Park ever make fun of or mock the death of Princess Diana? Just curious.

[Brad Russ]

Man, the hypocrasy is absolutely amazing to me. I remember about a week or two after Steve died, how people were jumping all over anyone who mocked his death, calling them insensensitive and everything. I just knew that once South Park did something on his death, many of those same people who claimed to be so angry, would suddenly think it was okay, and the widespread outrage would disappear. I guess that's how we determine when it's okay to mock someone's death these days. If South Park says it's okay, then it surely must be, because they certainly can do no wrong in many people's eyes. :rolleyes:

[Superstar]

I like South Park, it's hilarious and they aren't afraid to push boundaries...but I do think this was in bad taste

[Brad]

This is nothing new. In 1999, for the "Christmas Time In Hell" segment of the Mr. Hankey's Christmas Classics episode and companion album, many recently-dead celebrities were mentioned as burning in Hell.

[As sung by "Satan":]

String up the lights and light up the tree.
We're going to make some revelry!
Spirits are high, so I can tell,
It's Christmas time in hell!

Demons are nicer as you pass them by.
There's lots of demon toys to buy.
The snow is falling, and all is well
It's Christmas time in hell!

There goes Jeffrey Dahmer, with a festive Christmas ham.
After he has sex with, it he'll eat up all he can.
And there goes John F. Kennedy caroling with his son.
Reunited for the holidays.
God bless us, everyone!

Everybody has a happy glow!
Let's dance in blood and pretend it’s snow.
Even Mao Tse-Tung is under the spell.
It's Christmas time in hell!

God cast me down from Heaven's door,
To rule in hell for evermore.
But now I'm kinda glad that I fell,
'Cause it's Christmas time in hell!

Here's a rack to hang the stockings on,
We still have to shop for Genghis Kahn!
Michael Landon's hair looks swell!
It's Christmas time in hell!

There's Princess Diana holding burning mistletoe,
Over poor Gene Siskel's head; just watch his weenie grow!
For one day we all stop burning and the flames are not so thick.
All the screaming and the torture stops, as we wait for old Saint Nick!

String up the lights and light up the tree.
We're damned for all eternity.
But for just one day all is well,
It's Christmas time in hell!

Gather close together, and make it quick!
We've gotta make room for Andy Dick.
Wake his mother and ring the bell,
It's Christmas time...
(Christmas time... Christmas time... Christmas time...)
Christmas time...
(Christmas time... Christmas time... Christmas time...)
It's Christmas time in hell!

James Stewart as George Bailey is then depicted running past the crowd, delivering his famous, "Merry Christmas, movie house!" line from It's A Wonderful Life.

[KristinHerreraFan]

That is cruel and sickening.

[G-Force Glockstar]

omg that's so mean & rude!! That's nasty and I seriously doubt anyone would find that funny, except for sickening people.

[Sharop]

I personally feel it's far too soon to be making fun of Steve, especially the way he died. In November 2003, there was a skit on Saturday Night Live called "The Barry Gibb Talk Show", which basically made fun of Barry and Robin Gibb of the Bee Gees. (I haven't seen it myself, but I know the gist of it.) This was 10 months after Maurice died, yet they didn't lampoon him in it; I'm assuming this was as a mark of respect and that they felt that even after 10 months, it might still be too soon to make fun of him.

Now, this is less than two months after Steve has died. I just feel it's far too soon.

[Dragonflies]

I'm sorry but it's very pathetic to make fun of someone's death or someone that's died.

[Lex Luthor]

But Rush is a bad guy for his speculation of whether Michael J Fox took his meds or not and this is deemed exceptible?:crazy: I sure hope that all of those people that were blasting away at Rush on the other thread can find their way over her to show their displeasure over this.

Again with the look over there what they are doing aren't they evil? Rush can not be that bad then.

South Park notoriously cross the line and have never been accused of politically correct. They mock Jesus Chris, God, Lady Diana much of which is in very bad taste but that is what it is. I agree that mocking peoples death is over the line and if I were Steve's family I would be pissed.

There are tons of racist cartoons and not politically correct shows (boondocks,Wondershowzen,Family guy) they are not for everyone and are meant to offend, Did you happen to catch Team America?

Stop trying to justify one bad action by pointing out something completely different. What's next comparing Rush's actions to not as bad as Osama?

[Parakeet03]

I admit that I have watched South Park and it can be funny but that's just so messed up and terrible that they'd make fun of a trajedy like this. Especially for Steve's family.

[Courtnee]

It's South Park, people. I can't believe people watch the show and go, "I can't believe they just said that."

[Lex Luthor]

It's South Park, people. I can't believe people watch the show and go, "I can't believe they just said that."

That is exactally why South Park does what it does, they want people to say Oh My God I can't believe they just did that! Everyone talks about it and they get more free publicity.

[Stuck In The '70's]

I'm sorry but I don't see anything funny in mocking anybody's death.

[Sterling Holobyte]

They are pathetic. I am never watching South Park again. ...Oh wait, I've never watched that crap-fest anyway.

[EmoJoe]

i think they shoulda waited longer. its only been 2 months...

[TJL]

Well, never let it be said that the boys at "South Park" weren't topical.

Tasteful? I guess that's in the eye of the viewers.

[Janice]

I've never watched a split second of South Park, but that is in incredibly poor taste. That picture of Steve Irwin with the stingray sticking out of his chest gives me the creeps.

[Detox]

It was funny, I laughed. The episode before where Cartman was "Dog" The Bounty Hunter was equally funny. It's all just entertainment.

[Lex Luthor]

I'm sorry but I don't see anything funny in mocking anybody's death.

Nor do I but with SouthPark you can expect nothing less they attack all religions, discuss sexual deviants and many other Non politically correct issues. I find some of their stuff amusing and some pretty classless and offensive. Everyone knows what SouthPark is so those who are offended can choose not to watch but Trey Parker and Matt Stone will continue to push the envelope.

[Bobby F.]

Again with the look over there what they are doing aren't they evil? Rush can not be that bad then.

South Park notoriously cross the line and have never been accused of politically correct. They mock Jesus Chris, God, Lady Diana much of which is in very bad taste but that is what it is. I agree that mocking peoples death is over the line and if I were Steve's family I would be pissed.

There are tons of racist cartoons and not politically correct shows (boondocks,Wondershowzen,Family guy) they are not for everyone and are meant to offend, Did you happen to catch Team America?

Stop trying to justify one bad action by pointing out something completely different. What's next comparing Rush's actions to not as bad as Osama?

Just trying to see if all of those who are soooooo quick to throw stones one way are able to throw them the other.

You seem to be hung up on thinking people are trying to justify things. You're the only who seems to be reading it that way. All I'm doing is pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy. You seem to be wanting to make it into more than it is.

[Lex Luthor]

Just trying to see if all of those who are soooooo quick to throw stones one way are able to throw them the other.

You seem to be hung up on thinking people are trying to justify things. You're the only who seems to be reading it that way. All I'm doing is pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy. You seem to be wanting to make it into more than it is.

The 2 issues have NOTHING to do with each other, I just find it amusing that a cartoon done in poor taste can be used to compare outcry against Rush. Pardon me if I fail to see the relevance.

[Bobby F.]

The 2 issues have NOTHING to do with each other, I just find it amusing that a cartoon done in poor taste can be used to compare outcry against Rush. Pardon me if I fail to see the relevance.


You are failing to see it then. Steve Irwin walking around with a stingray sticking out of his body compared to "speculation" on whether Fox took his meds. No personal attack against Fox. Just speculation.

[Brad]

Oh, come on. It's satire. You're free to not watch South Park and express outrage over the fact that they poked fun at Mr. Irwin's death, just as I'm free to think that it's one of the smartest shows currently on television.

Was the gag cringe-inducingly offensive? Yes, but to many, it was also brilliantly - albeit uncomfortably - funny, much like the "aristocrats" joke, for example. And that's just the nature of South Park - they're equal opportunity offenders, and that includes making jokes about things one just doesn't joke about. Hell, there was an episode five years ago that culminated with Cartman tricking a kid into eating his own parents at a chili cook-off.

South Park is dark comedy, and if dark comedy's not for you, God bless you. Don't watch it.

By the way, for those who haven't seen it, here's the scene in question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3nIi0gH20).

[rusyd]

I have only seen South Park a couple of times and didn't really like it, but I'm not surprised that they did this. It's not in good taste, but either is the show itself.

[Sharop]

From what I know of Steve, I'm guessing he probably wouldn't be too bothered about it himself. He seemed a very easy-going, laid-back guy. Extremely likeable. Do you think he seemed like one heck of a nice guy, AKA?

[Brad]

Do you think he seemed like one heck of a nice guy, AKA?

I certainly do. And South Park parodied Steve Irwin before. The 1999 episode, "Prehistoric Ice Man," was from the show's second season. I don't think Irwin had a problem with it.

[Bobby F.]

I certainly do. And South Park parodied Steve Irwin before. The 1999 episode, "Prehistoric Ice Man," was from the show's second season. I don't think Irwin had a problem with it.

Just curious....So I'm guessing that a parody of John Lennon getting blow away wouldn't faze you then.

[theshark8777]

This is not the first South Park to be in bad taste. Why is everyone so surprised. Red Hot Catholic Love comes to mind right away, as does the Trapped in the Closet.

[Sharop]

Just curious....So I'm guessing that a parody of John Lennon getting blow away wouldn't faze you then.

It would certainly faze me...but then again, like I said, I am a bit uncomfortable with the way they made fun of Steve dying. I understand that it's the kind of stuff they generally do anyway, but it just seemed a bit too soon for me.

But Steve's having fun now, and like AKA said, he probably doesn't care. He didn't seem the sort to get angry easily, and not over something like this.

[Brad]

Just curious....So I'm guessing that a parody of John Lennon getting blow away wouldn't faze you then.

No. I have a sick sense of humor. I laughed the first time I heard the "three more bullets" joke. There was also an Internet video (http://zine.nationallampoon.com/index.php?option=com_jambozine&layout=article&view=page&aid=80&Itemid=32) National Lampoon did shortly after George Harrison's death that depicts Lennon and Harrison (as well as many other artists I'm a fan of) in Hell that I actually thought was pretty funny.

[Bobby F.]

No. I have a sick sense of humor. I laughed the first time I heard the "three more bullets" joke. There was also an Internet video National Lampoon did shortly after George Harrison's death that depicts Lennon and Harrison in Hell that I actually thought was pretty funny.

At least you can admit it....:crazy:

[Brad]

The reason I'm not offended is because it really has no bearing one way or the other over what happened. Dark humor is also a means some people use to get through their grief over a tragedy like what happened to Steve Irwin.

[Sharop]

At least the people on South Park waited longer than Germaine Greer. She published quite an offensive article about Steve Irwin in a UK newspaper the very day after he died. Loads of people were furious! I mean, that really IS too soon.

From all I've heard about her, she doesn't seem to be a very pleasant person anyway, though.

[Hollow]

oh please. they did not "make fun of his death". they did not portray any emotion; amusement or grief; towards his death. his appearance is NEUTRAL.


"Hundreds of dead celebrities are invited, including rapper Notorious B.I.G., Princess Diana and Hitler." they've been doing this for the past ten years, people. they made fun of irwin in one of the first seasons as well.

[Yooch]

Yeah, they have the 'right' to do it, but anyone who mocks something like this is utterly contemptible, and that is my opinion, which, last time I checked, I have a right to as well.

[Brad]

Yeah, they have the 'right' to do it, but anyone who mocks something like this is utterly contemptible, and that is my opinion, which, last time I checked, I have a right to as well.

No one said you don't have the right to your own opinion. In fact, I said quite the opposite.

[Brad Russ]

"Oh it's just satire," "it's South Park, what do you expect," blah blah blah, shut the hell up!!! I don't give a **** if it's satire or not, either it's wrong to make fun of a person dying, or it's not, regardless of whether it's just satire. People just use the "It's only satire" thing as an excuse to do and say whatever the **** they want, and it's pathetic.

[Sharop]

Just to step in here, because I think it's beginning to get heated, I don't think AKA means any offence.

[Brad Russ]

Just to step in here, because I think it's beginning to get heated, I don't think AKA means any offence.

I don't think he does either. My comments aren't directed at him, they're directed at every damn freaking hypocrit out there, and there are lots of them.

[Brad]

While I appreciate the sheer sensitivity of this issue, the fact of the matter is this is satire. While some of you may not like the use of that word in this case, satire is protected by the First Amendment in the United States. People have every right to say whatever they want, just as we have every right to criticize them if we disagree.

And as I said earlier, if you disagree with it, that's absolutely fine. Keep it off your TV sets and out of your living rooms.

[Sharop]

I don't think he does either. My comments aren't directed at him, they're directed at every damn freaking hypocrit out there, and there are lots of them.

That's fair enough. I like Steve a lot, and I didn't like what they did either, but I'm more angered at Ms Greer's article. At least South Park had the decency to wait some time before doing anything, whereas Ms Greer wrote a load of trash about him the very day after he died. (In fact, she probably wrote it on the day he died, since it was published the following day.)

I haven't got the article myself, but the gist of it was: that Steve was a deluded guy who tormented animals (what utter rubbish - he loved animals), that animals got their "revenge" on him, and that he was an embarrassment to Australia.

I mean, to say stuff like that the day after he dies is just completely rude, disrespectful, insensitive and horrible.

I've been visiting the message board for him on IMDB and there are a fair number of threads there about Germaine Greer. The majority of people who have posted in them were very angry over what she wrote. According to one IMDB poster, "she has something nasty to say about everyone and can rarely form a comprehensible argument to justify herself." According to another, she is "totally irrelevant in today's academic climate and the only way she can continue making a name for herself is to attack people who were well loved to get a response."

[dawsongirl]

It's South Park, people. I can't believe people watch the show and go, "I can't believe they just said that."
No kidding. If you don't get that by now, don't pay attention to the show!

[Brad]

Thank you, Sharop. No, I'm not trying to offend anyone or be confrontational. I'm simply stating my point-of-view. While I can definitely see why many people would be offended by the bit, its absolute distastefulness was actually the point of the joke. In fact, in the clip, Satan commented that it was "too soon." The point of the gag was to get people to cringe and say, "Wow. That was pretty awful." Kind of like the old aristocrats joke..

[dawsongirl]

While I appreciate the sheer sensitivity of this issue, the fact of the matter is this is satire. While some of you may not like the use of that word in this case, satire is protected by the First Amendment in the United States. People have every right to say whatever they want, just as we have every right to criticize them if we disagree.

Fact is: Some people don't understand or appreciate satire. Being a Hogan's Heroes fan, I've seen tons of that. 40 years later, people still think that show was the most horrible thing ever made because it made light of a REAL and TRAGIC event. Like AKA said, sometimes an event is so bad, making light of it is used as a coping technique. That may be the same thing South Park is doing right now. I don't know and don't really care what the motivation behind it was. Satire is never going to stop or go away no matter how much people complain. If you don't like satire, fine; no one is making you. But do accept that it's real and there and will be there long after you leave the earth.

[Sharop]

I can see why people are defending South Park, even though I don't approve of what it did myself. I think Ms Greer's actions were totally out of line and uncalled for, though.

[Sterling Holobyte]

Was the gag cringe-inducingly offensive? Yes, but to many, it was also brilliantly - albeit uncomfortably - funny
I wonder if his wife and kids are laughing.

[Sterling Holobyte]

"Oh it's just satire," "it's South Park, what do you expect," blah blah blah, shut the hell up!!! I don't give a **** if it's satire or not, either it's wrong to make fun of a person dying, or it's not, regardless of whether it's just satire. People just use the "It's only satire" thing as an excuse to do and say whatever the **** they want, and it's pathetic.
Amen.:thumbsup: :clap

[TheGreatPretender]

Eh I've seen worse on there. They actually pointed out how offensive it is to make fun of him, I viewed it as a joke WITHIN a joke. I would think Hitler as the can you hear me now guy would piss more people off.

[Brad]

Eh I've seen worse on there. They actually pointed out how offensive it is to make fun of him, I viewed it as a joke WITHIN a joke. I would think Hitler as the can you hear me now guy would piss more people off.
Exactly. And the fact that Satan, the Lord Of Evil, thought it was "too soon" to make fun of Steve Irwin was a huge part of that joke.

[Sharop]

What does everyone think of what Ms Greer said?

[Yooch]

No one said you don't have the right to your own opinion. In fact, I said quite the opposite.

I was speaking in general terms, not just 'me', but 'me among countless other people', as in "I for one, ..." I was objecting to the "culture" so to speak, of 1) we can say what we want because we have free speech, and 2) Everybody else does it, so it's ok. It was not a reaction against you, personally. If you interpreted it like that, I am sorry with how I worded it.

[Brad]

I was speaking in general terms, not just 'me', but 'me among countless other people', as in "I for one, ..." I was objecting to the "culture" so to speak, of 1) we can say what we want because we have free speech, and 2) Everybody else does it, so it's ok. It was not a reaction against you, personally. If you interpreted it like that, I am sorry with how I worded it.

You're fine. I probably just read too much into your post. My apologies.

[Lamont]

i will say this
im not a fan of south park or steve irwin

but i think it was really more than bad taste
it was really spiteful to do something this early

[Yooch]

You're fine. I probably just read too much into your post. My apologies.

Thanks, no prob here, either. :)

[Karen*]

I love love love LOVE South Park, but this is really crossing the line. It's not funny. His loved ones and fans are still getting over his death. :(

[Karen*]

Red Hot Catholic Love comes to mind right away, as does the Trapped in the Closet.

I didn't see the whole episode, but the clip I saw on YouTube was hilarious. :rofl: What did you find so offensive about it?

[theshark8777]

I didn't see the whole episode, but the clip I saw on YouTube was hilarious. :rofl: What did you find so offensive about it?

I didn't find any of it offensive, I was just saying I thought they people griping about this episode would find those more offensive. But I guess they only find offensive what the media tells them to.

[Seth]

I didn't find any of it offensive, I was just saying I thought they people griping about this episode would find those more offensive. But I guess they only find offensive what the media tells them to.

Thank you!. One thing I also noticed: All this brouhaha didn't start until FRIDAY. Where were all the complaints THURSDAY? (The episode aired Wednesday)

[Mr. Stefani]

There was nothing wrong with it. They threw in the "its too soon" comment. People are too sensitive.

[theshark8777]

Thank you!. One thing I also noticed: All this brouhaha didn't start until FRIDAY. Where were all the complaints THURSDAY? (The episode aired Wednesday)

I also wonder how many people complaining have actually seen said episode.

[Sharop]

IBut I guess they only find offensive what the media tells them to.

I certainly don't only find offensive what the media tells me to.

But I'm curious, what do you all think of Ms Greer's comments? I think they were quite horrible, really, and completely untrue.

Whatever anyone thinks about South Park, though, some facts remain:

1: Steve was a hell of a nice guy

2: He was a great man and he did great work

3: His death was horrible and tragic


Now everyone go and listen to Down Under by Men at Work. It reminds me of him.

[Lamont]

just because some of you are not offended doesnt means its NOT OFFENSIVE

some people dont mind jokes with the N word all through them
some people dont mind JEWISH JOKES or GAY JOKES
but we try to set standards for society about good and bad taste
and good and bad judgement
and i think this CLEARLY crosses those lines

is everyone offended? no
but its still OFFENSIVE

[Janice]

I also wonder how many people complaining have actually seen said episode.
I don't think a person needs to see the episode. The article described it...it was the picture in the article that really turns me off.

[Janice]

Thank you!. One thing I also noticed: All this brouhaha didn't start until FRIDAY. Where were all the complaints THURSDAY? (The episode aired Wednesday)
I think once it hit the newswire and people read about it, they started complaining.

[Brad Russ]

I don't understand why when people were making jokes about Steve Irwin's death before, people were saying that making jokes about someone's death is NEVER funny, yet some of those same people who said that, are now saying that there's nothing wrong with what South Park did. Wouldn't something "never" being funny, include when South Park does it?? It's just weird to me how so many people suddenly change their tune on things, once something they like becomes involved. I mean, just because it's something you enjoy, doesn't make it infallible. One other point I want to make is that many of the shows and people who were making jokes about his death before, when everyone was complaining about it, were also doing it satirically. Why was it not okay for those shows to use satire, yet it is okay for others to?? You see, it's just that some of the logic people are using to justify this, just doesn't make sense.

[Lamont]

u r pointing out something that is 100% true
a lot of people are hypocrits on this one

i think that mocking ones death is never funny, and although i support the "Freedom" to do such a bad taste joke, i think that the people at south park should respect the feelings of others as well
and try to find something just as funny, but not quite as hurtful

[Brad]

The fact that not a word of disapproval was raised amongst the masses until Friday (two days after the episode first aired) proves in my mind that the people who are the most up-in-arms about this are people who don't watch South Park in the first place.

That said, if you don't want to be offended, don't watch South Park. It's that simple. You have every right to voice your concern over the gag, of course, but damning a show you wouldn't watch in the first place over a 45-second bit just seems silly to me. Just keep not welcoming the show into your living room, and let those of us who enjoy the show continue to do so.

For example, I find the sheer existence of exploitative reality shows like My Super Sweet Sixteen and Flavor Of Love morally bankrupt, and that's far more offensive to me than a bit making fun of the death of a recently deceased man. So I don't watch those shows. I don't gripe and complain that they air; I just keep them off my TV.

One other point I want to make is that many of the shows and people who were making jokes about his death before, when everyone was complaining about it, were also doing it satirically. Why was it not okay for those shows to use satire, yet it is okay for others to?? You see, it's just that some of the logic people are using to justify this, just doesn't make sense.

Just curious: which shows and people were making fun of Steve Irwin's death before the South Park episode in question aired? The reason I ask is because there surely would have been a big stink raised about it, and I really don't remember one.

[theshark8777]

Just curious: which shows and people were making fun of Steve Irwin's death before the South Park episode in question aired? The reason I ask is because there surely would have been a big stink raised about it, and I really don't remember one.

I think he is referring to a thread here.

[Brad]

Oh, okay.

[Brad Russ]

The fact that not a word of disapproval was raised amongst the masses until Friday (two days after the episode first aired) proves in my mind that the people who are the most up-in-arms about this are people who don't watch South Park in the first place.

That said, if you don't want to be offended, don't watch South Park. It's that simple. You have every right to voice your concern over the gag, of course, but damning a show you wouldn't watch in the first place over a 45-second bit just seems silly to me. Just keep not welcoming the show into your living room, and let those of us who enjoy the show continue to do so.

Just curious: which shows and people were making fun of Steve Irwin's death before the South Park episode in question aired? The reason I ask is because there surely would have been a big stink raised about it, and I really don't remember one.

Actually, your first paragraph just proves my point even further. The fact is, I didn't hear anything about this until Friday, because regular everyday people, as well as the media, pick and choose the things they want to make a big deal of. They wanted to make a big thing out of the Limbaugh/MJF thing, so they did, yet a tv show uses satire to mock a beloved mans death, (Which is every bit as offensive as the MJF thing, IMO, if not more) and for whatever reason, the media chose not to talk about that. The fact that I wasn't vocal about this until Friday, is simply because I knew nothing of it until Janice posted this article, and because the media all but ignored it.

As far as the thing about if you don't like it, don't watch it, well, I don't watch it, and I don't intend on watching it anytime soon. I'm not sitting here calling for South Park to be pulled off the air, or for the channel to be fined, I'm simply stating my opinion, which I have every right to do, and trying to understand why certain people can get so upset about one situation, yet you can have an almost identical situation, just with different people, and suddenly it's no longer a big deal.

In answer to your last question, there were all kinds of people all over the internet who were making jokes, and being satirical about his death. About a month ago, you literally couldn't even visit a message board without someone making jokes about it. I certainly didn't see anyone defending anyone who was doing it then, as much as they are now that South Park has gotten involved, that's for sure. The WWE made some kind of joke about his death about a month ago, and they were pretty much forced to make a public apology, (As they should have been) for it. For some odd reason, South Park is the one show that can get away with this kind of ****, and I just don't understand why. What makes them so damn special?? It's like certain people worship this silly show, and think it can do no wrong. It's just a tv show people!!

[Brad]

I defintely respect your opinion, Brad, and I truly understand why you'd feel that way about the bit. I'm not trying to change your feelings on it, or revoke your right to feel outrage.

I guess the point I've been trying to make is that this should be a non-issue. South Park premiered more than nine years ago, and is notorious for offensive (or just silly) things, like Jesus existing on Earth in modern times and hosting a cable access talk show (while Satan is a sensitive, misunderstood gay man), or a talking piece of feces who befriends Kyle and gives gifts to all children on Christmas, regardless or religious affiliation. How about the episode in which Eric Cartman tries to wipe out all Jews because he got the wrong idea from The Passion Of The Christ, or the one where Mr. Garrison performs homosexual acts in front of his class in an effort to get fired and win a lawsuit against the school? Then there's the afforementioned episode that features Cartman tricking the bully into eating his own parents, who have been cut up into tiny bits and mixed into chili. In a few episdes, God is portrayed as a tiny, snaggle-toothed creature resembling a hippo. Christopher Reeve was seen a 2003 episode that addressed the issue of stem cell research sucking the juices out of dead fetuses and gaining his mobility back, then becoming a supervillain.

Crude, offensive humor has been a part of South Park since its inception. They've never been above making light of hot-button issues. The original short cartoon that launched the series was about Jesus fighting Santa Claus in an effort to gain supremacy as a Christmas icon, for crying out loud.

And this isn't the first time they've made light of recently-deceased celebrities, either. I've taken the liberty of uploading the song I mentioned earlier in the thread. This clip is from a Christmas episode that aired in December, 1999 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icX2AZpZ0tM), nearly seven years ago. It features famous or historical figures, most of whom died within the previous three our four years, having a jolly Yule in Hell. Included in that list are John F. Kennedy, Jr. and Gene Siskel, who had both died that year.

Again, you have every right to be offended, and to voice your opinion. But that they've done this bit should really be surprising to very few. The fact that the mainstream media is doing a story on a silly 45-second bit in a show that has a ten-season track record of offensive humor really baffles me, as does the fact that this has become a six-page thread.

[Polniaczek033]

I'm really surprised that people are so upset by this. It's South Park. And Steve Irwin was made fun of when he was alive. I, personally, think that his way of death was a tad humorous, seeing how I expected him to be mauled by a croc before a stingray even came close to him. Come on. South Park has done much worse things.

[Detox]

Butters>>>>Irwin :lol:

[savageamusement]

I don't think I am as shocked that south park mocked it-
as disgusted how fast they did it I suppose.

They are notorious for disrespect and tactless humor, but even they could have summoned up some allowance for time- knowing he left behind children

Just my opinion

[KissMyGrits]

I don't think I am as shocked that south park mocked it-
as disgusted how fast they did it I suppose.

They are notorious for disrespect and tactless humor, but even they could have summoned up some allowance for time- knowing he left behind children

Just my opinion
:yeahthat

[Sharop]

I have read that Steve's wife Terri is reportedly very upset about the South Park episode.

I don't believe that the people behind South Park would have intended to offend or upset Steve's family, because I can't believe that they would wish to do something like that, but unfortunately, it looks as though they have. :(

[Janice]

I think that pointing out that South Park has been insulting everyone and their mother forever is a weak argument. Even though they're known for being offensive, that doesn't mean that they're incapable of crossing a line, which in my opinion is what South Park did here.

[theshark8777]

So you are saying this is the first time South Park every crossed a line? Or this is the only one you've heard about?

[Janice]

So you are saying this is the first time South Park every crossed a line? Or this is the only one you've heard about?
I don't watch the show. I don't know if they've ever crossed a line before. I can only comment on this episode. If they've done an episode that's worse than this one, I haven't heard about it.

[Janice]

http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=11719 (http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=11719)

Croc Hunter's Widow 'Devastated' by South Park Episode

London - Terri Irwin, the widow of Australia's "Croc Hunter" Steve Irwin, is reportedly "devastated" by a recent episode of the controversial TV cartoon South Park that pokes fun at her late husband.

Terri, 42, is said to be worried that Irwin's children Bindi, eight, and Bob, two, will see the show, which portrays the late star with a stingray sticking out of his chest less than two months after he died.

Last night, Australian TV channel SBS said it is planning to air the episode in Australia next year. It has already been shown in the US.

A friend of Irwin's widow says, "Terri is devastated Steve is being mocked in such a cruel way. Her worry is that Bindi and Bob will see it and break down.

"Steve had as big a sense of humour as anyone, but this goes too far too soon." British TV naturalist mark Amey, 44, who worked alongside Irwin, backed the sentiments, saying, "My message to people is don't watch the show. It's distasteful. Let's hope none of Steve's fans who keep poisonous animals happen to find the addresses of those behind the show and leave them a nice surprise."

Irwin was killed by a stingray barb off the coast of Queensland, Australia on September 4th while filming a segment for his daughter's new TV show.

[Brad]

I think that pointing out that South Park has been insulting everyone and their mother forever is a weak argument. Even though they're known for being offensive, that doesn't mean that they're incapable of crossing a line, which in my opinion is what South Park did here.

It's not a weak argument. I'm asking is where the shock was when the episodes I rattled off above originally aired. In the clip I posted above, JFK Jr. and Gene Siskel were portrayed as burning in Hell less than a year after they died. Why weren't people up-in-arms about that then? Answer: because it was a non-issue. At that point, South Park was more than two years old, and people who were easily offended already knew to stay away from it.

It seems to me that the media has a case of selective outrage. They pick issues to be concerned about when it's convenient for them.

[Janice]

It's not a weak argument. I'm asking is where the shock was when the episodes I rattled off above originally aired. In the clip I posted above, JFK Jr. and Gene Siskel were portrayed as burning in Hell less than a year after they died. Why weren't people up-in-arms about that then? Answer: because it was a non-issue. At that point, South Park was more than two years old, and people who were easily offended already knew to stay away from it.

It seems to me that the media has a case of selective outrage. They pick issues to be concerned about when it's convenient for them.
Why would this be convenient for the media? I think the outrage is because it's so soon. The guy's been dead for less than two months. That barb in the bloody chest is just terrible.

[dlemond]

It's hard to understand human nature in any intent.

I have not seen the clip, I don't know if it is vicious in nature, or just poking at the absurdity of life.

I loved listening to Howard Stern when I was 13 - 21, but when a friend of mine was murdered in an ungodly fashion and when Stern made fun of the whole incident on the radio, I was livid beyond belief.

Eventually I could let go such anger toward him and enjoy the show, because I knew it was just anonymous commenting done for a laugh for those not involved. And for a commentary on how absolutely wacky, unfair, and cruel life can be.

As I write this and think of my friend, I think screw Steve Irwin.
He tempted fate so many times and had a wife, children, fame, money and got to live to 44 doing what he loved.

My friend was the nicest person I ever met and was killed for nothing.
He didn't see his 22nd birthday.

[Janice]

I'm sorry about your friend dlemond. That's a real shame.

Howard Stern reminds me of a time when he went too far, to some. He's an example of 'anything goes' outrageous statements. Yet, when he did a skit following Selena's death, complete with gunshots, many were outraged and felt he went too far.

Steve gave an on-air apology. Case in point that there are lines, even for the usually accepted outrageous behavior of some.

[dlemond]

I'm sorry about your friend dlemond. That's a real shame.

Howard Stern reminds me of a time when he went too far, to some. He's an example of 'anything goes' outrageous statements. Yet, when he did a skit following Selena's death, complete with gunshots, many were outraged and felt he went too far.

Steve gave an on-air apology. Case in point that there are lines, even for the usually accepted outrageous behavior of some.

I agree that there are lines and they should be drawn, but since that incident with my friend I never ever doubted the willingness of people to just do or say whatever they please.

I feel bad for Steve Irwin and more importantly his children and wife.
And I did actually like him.

In the grand scheme of life it just seems that its a waste of time to get worked up over those who disrespect others, whatever their intentions.

I'll take the measure of a man/woman by what they say to my face.
You'll find that when it comes down to that, true intention, sincerity, or cowardness will surface.

[Brad]

Why would this be convenient for the media? I think the outrage is because it's so soon. The guy's been dead for less than two months. That barb in the bloody chest is just terrible.

So October 25 was too soon, but it would have been okay had they waited until February to do the bit? Because that would be five months, and that's how long JFK Jr. was dead before they portrayed him in Hell with his father. Nobody nobody batted an eyelash then.

[Janice]

So October 25 was too soon, but it would have been okay had they waited until February to do the bit? Because that would be five months, and that's how long JFK Jr. was dead before they portrayed him in Hell with his father. Nobody nobody batted an eyelash then.
Not for me, because personally, I find that offensive too. There's a reason I've never watched South Park. I'm not a fan of brutally offensive humor. I do think that it was too soon for some. It just happened.

Again, that barb in the bloody chest is what really gets me, and probably others. The timing and the barb in the chest is what makes this one really awful to me.

I don't care if others are not offended by the bit. I also don't want to be called into question if I find it offensive. We can't change how we feel. Our feelings are our feelings.

[Brian Damage]

HOLLYWOOD - Steve Irwin's widow Terri is reportedly "devastated" by an episode of controversial TV cartoon South Park that pokes fun at the late Crocodile Hunter.
Terri, 42, is said to be worried that Irwin's children, Bindi, 8, and Bob, 2, will see the show, which portrays the late star with a stingray sticking out of his chest less than two months after he died.

Last night, Australian TV channel SBS said it is planning to air the episode in Australia next year or in 2008. It has already been shown in the U.S.

A friend of Irwin's widow says, "Terri is devastated Steve is being mocked in such a cruel way. Her worry is that Bindi and Bob will see it and break down.

"Steve had as big a sense of humor as anyone, but this goes too far too soon."

British TV naturalist Mark Amey, 44, who worked alongside Irwin, backed the sentiments, saying, "My message to people is don't watch the show. It's distasteful s**t. Let's hope none of Steve's fans who keep poisonous animals happen to find the addresses of those behind the show and leave them a nice surprise."

Irwin was killed by a stingray barb off the coast of Queensland, Australia, on Sept. 4 while filming a segment for his daughter's new TV show.

[Brad]

And I've never wanted to revoke anyone's right to feel offended by the bit. I'm not taking anyone to task for their feelings. I'm just putting it into perspective and asking, "where was the mainstream media's outrage when the _______ episode aired __ years ago?"

That's why I called it "selective outrage."

[theshark8777]

HOLLYWOOD - Steve Irwin's widow Terri is reportedly "devastated" by an episode of controversial TV cartoon South Park that pokes fun at the late Crocodile Hunter.
Terri, 42, is said to be worried that Irwin's children, Bindi, 8, and Bob, 2, will see the show, which portrays the late star with a stingray sticking out of his chest less than two months after he died.

Last night, Australian TV channel SBS said it is planning to air the episode in Australia next year or in 2008. It has already been shown in the U.S.

A friend of Irwin's widow says, "Terri is devastated Steve is being mocked in such a cruel way. Her worry is that Bindi and Bob will see it and break down.

"Steve had as big a sense of humor as anyone, but this goes too far too soon."

British TV naturalist Mark Amey, 44, who worked alongside Irwin, backed the sentiments, saying, "My message to people is don't watch the show. It's distasteful s**t. Let's hope none of Steve's fans who keep poisonous animals happen to find the addresses of those behind the show and leave them a nice surprise."

Irwin was killed by a stingray barb off the coast of Queensland, Australia, on Sept. 4 while filming a segment for his daughter's new TV show.

This exact article was just posted on page 6 not 4 hours ago.

[Brian Damage]

I should be shot

[theshark8777]

I should be shot

I was just pointing it out, no need to be a dick.

[Brian Damage]

I was just pointing it out, no need to be a dick.


Ouch that one hurt

[Karen*]

Wow, threads about Steve Irwin always tend to get heated. :(

[Brad]

For the record, I didn't think the bit was cool. I felt uncomfortable with it watching the episode (and I've been a fan of the show since 1997), but I still defend Trey and Matt's right to do it.

[dlemond]

This exact article was just posted on page 6 not 4 hours ago.


I was just pointing it out, no need to be a dick.

"This exact" and "not 4 hours ago" implies that you are being a dick.
Pretty clear here who is being petty.

[theshark8777]

I was just stating it was the exact article, meaning not a different one. If I came off as a dick, I'm sorry. I really didnt mean it that way.

[Courtnee]

Janice, you may want to close this thread.

[passionsfan79]

I never watched this show now I know why I don't because its dumb.

[Mr. Stefani]

has Bill Maher's costume choice been discussed in here yet?

[treky]

I don't mind that, like someone else said, this is SOUTH PARK. Doing things like that is normal for Trey Parker & Matt Stone. I can certainley see, however, why people are upset. And, why his family would be.
But, they've gotten complaints and angry letters from people before. (Barbera Striesand, ecspecially!)

[Mr. Stefani]

I think this is about 100 times worse
http://seriouslyomgwtf.blogsome.com/2006/10/29/which-is-more-offensive-making-fun-of-the-way-steve-irwin-diedbill-maher-or-south-park/

[Karen*]

I think this is about 100 times worse
http://seriouslyomgwtf.blogsome.com/2006/10/29/which-is-more-offensive-making-fun-of-the-way-steve-irwin-diedbill-maher-or-south-park/
Ick. That's in bad taste too. ohno:

[Brad Russ]

The "it's South Park, what do you expect" defense, is a load of crap in my eyes. That's basically the same as saying that South Park can get away with anything, and that's obsurd. For me, this whole thing isn't even about whether they had the right to air it or not, it's about common human decency. I mean, didn't these little ******, Trey Parker and Mattt Stone, even take the time to consider how a thing like this would affect Mrs Irwin, and her poor kids?? Or for that matter, do they even care about that?? I guess judging by their past actions, they probably don't, and that's sad. I don't think I could ever laugh about something, when there's probably a mother and children at home crying everynight about it, and it's sad for me to think that there are people who can. Innocent jokes about celebrities are fine, but to joke about a beloved man's death while people are still mourning, is never fine. I don't think they should ever do crap like this, but if they are going to, atleast give the family some more time to heal first. Those wounds are far too fresh right now, and South Park just ripped the bandages clean off!! Just my opinion.

[Brad]

And my point is had the media not made a big deal about it, you, as someone who doesn't even watch South Park wouldn't have known that the gag even existed, much like the bits I rattled off in a previous post (and there's plenty more where those came from, by the way).

I think my "it's South Park; what do you expect?" defense holds water. As I said, the show has been on for over nine years, and this is the type of humor it's been notorious for. You don't like it? Don't watch it.

Continue to be offended, but live and let live. I don't think you're going to be hearing any apologies from Trey Parker and Matt Stone (or Bill Maher, for that matter), and that's fine. Satire is protected by the First Amendment, whether you like it or not, and they had every right to make the joke. Of course, as part of the First Amendment, you also have the right to vocally exercise your disapproval. But the fact is, you're not going to approve of everything that's on TV. I don't. That's why you have plenty of options Wednesday evenings at 10 pm other than Comedy Central.

[Brad Russ]

I agree with one part of what you said AKA. Live and let live. The South Park creators need to live, and continue making their little cartoon, and let innocent families like the Irwin's live their life normally. Live and let live Trey and Matt. And while you guys are living, hopefully somewhere along the line you will grow the hell up!!

[Brad]

We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

[Brad Russ]

Yep, looks like. It's all good though, even though we disagree, you're still cool!! ;)

[Brad]

Thanks. Likewise, my friend.

[Courtnee]

I think this is about 100 times worse
http://seriouslyomgwtf.blogsome.com/2006/10/29/which-is-more-offensive-making-fun-of-the-way-steve-irwin-diedbill-maher-or-south-park/
hm, at least the little cartoon version of steve was cute.

[Brad]

hm, at least the little cartoon version of steve was cute.

:lol: I love Bill (don't agree with his costume choice), but he looks three sheets to the wind in that picture. Maybe four.

[Karen*]

We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

I was going to say that a long time ago, I don't know why I didn't say it. :o Glad you did though. :lol: