UM Segments that are hard to believe

[Old School TV]

1)BigFoot in Pacific Northwest- this segment interviews a land surveyor who claims was marking territory and bumps into a bigfoot. He claims his life felt endangered but dosen't fire even one round from his weapon. Gee if you have a revolver and a huge creature charges at you wouldn't you fire? In addition, he had already fired a couple shots in the air. :lol:

2)Ice Man- The guy sells his story about the missing link to a tabloid Sci-fi paper and then puts it into a carnival for more profit. He makes money then when authorities are going to investigate if he is transporting an actual human cadaver without proper licensce he then takes the exhibit and dissapears. :lol:

3)Unabomber/Zodiac- Now the link between Unabomber and Zodiac. The composite sketches claim they look like. Well I happen to have about the same height, skin color, and weight as the Unabomber, and with sunglasses on, me and plenty of others can fit the vague composite sketch. They both were in SF about the same time, so were other people who fit the description. The Unabomber wasen't interested in stupid astrology games. IN fact, he was anti-technology and did everything from distance. He had numerous letters published by the NY Times and the Zodiac never mentioned anything about technology. Furthermore, not even one shred of evidence linked him to Zodiac when they inspected his Cabin. The segment is more entertaining then factual.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

4) Rainboy-- Although there were witnesses to the phenomenon, I find it hard to believe that someone was possessed by the devil and that, in turn, they could make it rain on command.

[UMfan77]

4) Rainboy-- Although there were witnesses to the phenomenon, I find it hard to believe that someone was possessed by the devil and that, in turn, they could make it rain on command.

If he was indeed "Rainboy". Why didn't he do a demonstration & make it rain while UM was interviewing him.

[greatgarrett2]

3)Unabomber/Zodiac- Now the link between Unabomber and Zodiac. The composite sketches claim they look like. Well I happen to have about the same height, skin color, and weight as the Unabomber, and with sunglasses on, me and plenty of others can fit the vague composite sketch. They both were in SF about the same time, so were other people who fit the description. The Unabomber wasen't interested in stupid astrology games. IN fact, he was anti-technology and did everything from distance. He had numerous letters published by the NY Times and the Zodiac never mentioned anything about technology. Furthermore, not even one shred of evidence linked him to Zodiac when they inspected his Cabin. The segment is more entertaining then factual.

That's what got me as well about the Unabomber-Zodiac link. Why wouldn't they find any evidence linking him (Kaczynski) to Zodiac, if the Unabomber did indeed collect all his bomb-making paraphenelia and crime memorabilia.

Also, why didn't Unabomber just confess to the Zodiac crimes, if he was indeed the Zodiac? He was being sent to prison anyway and had nothing to loose by confessing.

Why didn't he confess?

Zodiac and Unabomber had different motives, IMO. You're right in saying the Zodiac never even mentioned technology in his letters. Sure, he drew a bomb, but Zodiac didn't target representatives of a so-called 'Technological Society'. No, he targeted mostly youth in lover's lanes. It would be highly unusual to change your MO from shooting to suddenly a bomb-making 'anti-technology' warrior.

An entertaining segment, and actually one of my favorites because it tells the Zodiac Story as well, but I don't believe they are the same.

Cheers :)

[greatgarrett2]

If he was indeed "Rainboy". Why didn't he do a demonstration & make it rain while UM was interviewing him.

Apparently it had 'stopped' by the time UM interviewed him.....he said himself, it was over now, if I remember correctly.....

But I guess, on the other hand, he could've been asked to make it rain if he could indeed control it........

Just my thoughts.

HMMMMM.....

[greatgarrett2]

1)BigFoot in Pacific Northwest- this segment interviews a land surveyor who claims was marking territory and bumps into a bigfoot. He claims his life felt endangered but dosen't fire even one round from his weapon. Gee if you have a revolver and a huge creature charges at you wouldn't you fire? In addition, he had already fired a couple shots in the air. :lol:

I wonder why he chose to run, when in fact he had a gun?

The firing of a couple shots would just scare the creature away, IMO.

Maybe he was just plain scared and his spur of the moment adrenaline kicked in.....

But, imagine if he would've shot it? Maybe, we could've had the missing link?

That maybe could've done something for science.....

Oh, well.

[wiseguy182]

I think the reason that he didn't fire his gun was that he didn't know how strong the bigfoot is, if he did see it and it does exist, which I think it does. It's entirely possible that the bigfoot wouldn't have been fazed by the gunshots and could have started coming right at him, they are reportedly very fast. I have heard stories about how it's virtually impossible to escape a bear, and I heard a story about a bear not being fazed by gunshots. I think if I found myself in that situation, I would have treated the bigfoot like a skunk, and would have just walked away slowly.

[UMLongtimefan]

Although its one of my favorite segements.. chupucabras..is pretty difficult to swallow.

All do respect to the people involved, but the people who went into the woods in Kentucky?, stared at the sky and thought they saw Mary and other heavenly host is a pretty hard one to believe, they may have been touched by the Holy Spirit but I doubt they saw it by staring into the sun.

Re: Bigfoot and the surveyor.. I forget what kind of pistol the surveyor had, maybe he had smaller gun a .22 or such good for shooting varmits useless for something as powerful as bear or bigfoot.. (although a 22 can certainly kill a man), maybe he didn't trust his aim...not easy to shoot something charging you even if you got a cannon like a .50 cal or 12 gauge, make it something manlike and you bring in a whole nother can of worms. The surveyor may also be thinking that Bigfoot is in endangered species, shooting or harming it could bring charges EVEN if his life was in danger.

The first lesson of firearms self-defense classes is if you can avoid the gunfight then you have an obligation to do so.

[hovaslash]

The woman who made gold foil appear from her armpits was a little farfetched as well...

[SP4CE INV4DERZ]

I find most of the UFO cases hard to believe simply because I don't believe in them. Aliens travel light years to get here... and then crash into our planet?! :alien1 or that little Alien ship that few into the bedroom of that woman and removed her cancer :rolleyes: Although some cases are half convincing.

What I really find hard to believe in a different context is Larry Gibson was only given 3 years for killing his son :mad:

[kadrmas15]

Well I believe some of these but not others. With Rainboy I dont know what to believe. The only reason I think there was even the slightest bit of truth in his story was that other people including police officers said it was true. The only one that said it wasnt true was the chief of police. So I dont know if the chief is lying or if everyone that says that this guy made it rain was lying. Obviously someone is. Truly bizarre story. In terms of bigfoot I have talked to people in Washington state who think this thing is real. I guess until it is proven it doesnt exist it has to be considered that it does exist. The fact that the guy didnt fire his gun at it is a moot point. I mean this bigfoot is huge do you think a little revolver is going to faze it? You could probably empty a revolver into it and it would still be running around. Most people's first instinct at seeing a big foot would not be emptying their gun into it if they had one on them but rather turning around and running away regardless if they had a gun or not.

[Arnold_OldSchool]

The Bigfoot story in this thread is believed to be false now as the man who claimed to see it has changed his story numerous times apparently.

[kadrmas15]

Well Screenlegal you didnt have to be a smart aleck about it. I said it was big because since the creature is called big foot I think it is safe to assume it is a big creature. Maybe I am wrong. That is fine you dont think it exists, whatever. I didnt necessarily say it did exist but I am also not necessarily sure it doesnt exist. I dont know what to think about it. I am just keeping an open mind on the subject is all sorry you didnt agree with my opinions but that is exactly what I was stating was my opinions, I was not stating them as fact. You are free to come to any conclusion you want, you just dont have to make me feel stupid because I disagree with you.

[treeman]

Apparently it had 'stopped' by the time UM interviewed him.....he said himself, it was over now, if I remember correctly.....

But I guess, on the other hand, he could've been asked to make it rain if he could indeed control it........

Just my thoughts.

HMMMMM.....

In times of global warming somebody who could make it rain would be quite handy!

-Ben

[leafygreens]

Sarah Powell was NOT believable.

I'm dying to know what really happened.

[justins5256]

Sorry to bump an old thread. I'm just tooling around looking at old stuff. :D

Some "unbelievable" stories that have not been mentioned:

- the story about the kid who threw a bottle into a river in the Midwest (can't remember exactly where) and it ended up (allegedly) on a beach in California.

- Dorothy Izatt and her UFO photos and films. I think this has got to be a hoax. It always struck me as odd that she never used a video camera. Even in the 1990 segment she was still using movie cameras and still cameras. If she can control this phenomenon why not capture it on video? It certainly would be more difficult to falsify.

- African fertility statues.

- the Tallmans and the possessed bunk bed definitely pushes the envelope.

[TracyLynnS]

Was it UM that showed the whole "mothman" thing? Couples in their cars, all the way back to at least the 60s were some witnesses. I think the critter had glowing red eyes and was a big as a 6 foot tall man, but it had wings.

Some other people saw it as they were getting out of their car in the driveway and they ran into the house in terror.

Sorry my memory is vague on this. I think I saw it on UM on lifetime a few years ago.

I found this site, which tells the two stories that I recalled in much better detail, plus other sightings. I don't think the site mentions that it was ever featured on UM.

http://www.prairieghosts.com/moth.html

[justins5256]

Was it UM that showed the whole "mothman" thing? Couples in their cars, all the way back to at least the 60s were some witnesses. I think the critter had glowing red eyes and was a big as a 6 foot tall man, but it had wings.

Some other people saw it on their front porch or something and ran out to the car to make their escape.

Sorry my memory is vague on this. I think I saw it on UM on lifetime a few years ago.

Yeah, I remember the Mothman being one of the lamer Lifetime incarnations (Lifetime produced) segments from the 2001-2002 period. IIRC, "Mothman Prophecies" came out around that time, so they might have been trying to piggy back on that.

UM did this on occasion. In the original version of the Men in Black segment they showed a few clips from the Will Smith movie.

They also showed Xena clips during the original segment on Amazon Warrior Women and the show was big at the time that segment came out.

[TracyLynnS]

Yeah, I remember the Mothman being one of the lamer Lifetime incarnations (Lifetime produced) segments from the 2001-2002 period. IIRC, "Mothman Prophecies" came out around that time, so they might have been trying to piggy back on that.

UM did this on occasion. In the original version of the Men in Black segment they showed a few clips from the Will Smith movie.

They also showed Xena clips during the original segment on Amazon Warrior Women and the show was big at the time that segment came out.

Glad to see that someone else remembers it too.

It's kinda weird that some UM segments had clips from MIB and Xena. I don't think I've ever seen those segments. Did they include them to enhance the story, or was it because they didn't want to bother doing their own reencactments so they used scenes from other shows?

[justins5256]

Glad to see that someone else remembers it too.

It's kinda weird that some UM segments had clips from MIB and Xena. I don't think I've ever seen those segments. Did they include them to enhance the story, or was it because they didn't want to bother doing their own reencactments so they used scenes from other shows?

It's been awhile since I saw those particular segments but I think the clips were shown for comparison purposes. In the MIB story, they showed a clip from the movie and Stack said something like (majorly paraphrasing here) "Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones portrayed the Men in Black in a popular blockbuster hit, but few people are aware that stories of encounters with the Men in Black may have a basis in fact" or something along those lines.

Now that I think about it, I don't think these clips were ever shown in syndication.

[leafygreens]

If he was indeed "Rainboy". Why didn't he do a demonstration & make it rain while UM was interviewing him.

He did - didn't you see the rain in the background of the set? :lol:

[leafygreens]

The thing I don't get about the MIB segment is when they interviewed the figure skating lady who said she was walking down the street in NYC and was overcome with fright and then saw a guy in a black suit with clammy skin walk past her.

That's ALL that happened? I've seen hundreds of weird people in NYC! It would be interesting if the guy found her apartment and ransacked it looking for a video, like what happened with the other guy - but seeing a weird looking person walking on the street who you don't have any connection or interaction with doesn't qualify as a UM, IMO.

[justins5256]

The thing I don't get about the MIB segment is when they interviewed the figure skating lady who said she was walking down the street in NYC and was overcome with fright and then saw a guy in a black suit with clammy skin walk past her.

That's ALL that happened? I've seen hundreds of weird people in NYC! It would be interesting if the guy found her apartment and ransacked it looking for a video, like what happened with the other guy - but seeing a weird looking person walking on the street who you don't have any connection or interaction with doesn't qualify as a UM, IMO.

I think she had a history of seeing UFOs or she might have been an abductee or missing time victim, iirc.

Regardless, I was a lot younger and more naive when I saw the MIB segment but her encounter always struck me as odd and I can't help but be highly skeptical of it. Like you said, she basically saw a strange guy walking down the street in New York. Big deal.

I got the vibe that the UM guys were itching to do a MIB segment, but just couldn't come up with the material to deliver, yet that didn't stop them.

[leafygreens]

I got the vibe that the UM guys were itching to do a MIB segment, but just couldn't come up with the material to deliver, yet that didn't stop them.

Exactly :lol:

[Mastermind]

I got the vibe that the UM guys were itching to do a MIB segment, but just couldn't come up with the material to deliver, yet that didn't stop them.

Yeah, they had the potential to do a lot more material than they did.

I always want to try to discount Mothman, but there is something about the whole incident that intrigues me.

I am open to the theory that Mothman may be an abnormally large bird of prey, perhaps an ancient holdover like most people believe Nessie is.

I have often wondered if it was a displaced condor.I have heard stories of sick or starving condors going after cars or motorcyclists. ANd condors do have red eyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis_magnificens

[Jediknight1823]

I got the vibe that the UM guys were itching to do a MIB segment, but just couldn't come up with the material to deliver, yet that didn't stop them.

Which is kind of sad, considering all that's out there about the Men in Black. It really should have been a longer segment.

[browneyes106]

The little alien ship that cured a woman of cancer.

[MegtheEgg86]

I'll second the Zodiac/Unabomber link segment. Two wildly different MOs and too much evidence that shows it would've been impossible for Kaczynski to have committed some of the Zodiac murders. I do still like that segment, though. Georgia Rudolph was one I thought was a total crock from the get-go, and (please, for the love of God, not to stir up old, tired debates) the Wackers' story. Wasn't there a segment about a businessman who claimed to have visited hell after having a heart attack or something?

[justins5256]

Wasn't there a segment about a businessman who claimed to have visited hell after having a heart attack or something?

Ahh, yes. The guy's name was Howard. I remember his name because they only said it about 5 billion times during his "vision" when he was in Hell and people were yelling and screaming at him and trying to tear his clothes off. Really bad reenactment there.

[justins5256]

The little alien ship that cured a woman of cancer.

Totally! :lol:

[Priddo]

Sarah Powell was NOT believable.

I'm dying to know what really happened.

I can understand why people don't believe her, but I certainly do.

If it's as some of the police suggested, with her just trying to cover up something, it's quite an awesome effort on her behalf. The seizures seemed real (they had one on home video) and she was getting away with it before they started, so why do that? Unless she was trying to cover up something massive like a murder I can't even see her going to these lengths, and I don't see how this could cover up anything close to that.

What I think happened is what she described, and the people who broke in were looking for something specific they thought was in this house, but after some time they couldn't find it (most likely because it wasn't there) and they left. I imagine they probably stalked/cased this house for a little while and assumed no one would be home at first (It was a school day and she was home sick) Then when they realised she had seen them at the window they figured they had to get in quick and shut her up, or risk being caught or the whole thing being screwed.



I get why it's unbelieveable with nothing being taken, the crazy medical problems... But I just can't see how she'd be covering up anything major, or why she'd go to such lengths and fake seizures when she'd already have covered up whatever it was.

[MegtheEgg86]

I don't believe Sarah Powell's acount of what happened either, but I do think she may be much more mentally ill than what viewers were led to believe in the UM segment.

There are accounts of individuals suffering from so-called dissociative disorders in which they suffer seizures, blackouts, psychosis, and amnesia. By her own and her parents' testimony, she also suffers or has suffered at least three of these things. It's not difficult for me to believe Sarah's mind may have very well created the break-in, but I absolutely do not think it actually happened.

[Hambone2421]

Yeah, they had the potential to do a lot more material than they did.

I always want to try to discount Mothman, but there is something about the whole incident that intrigues me.

I am open to the theory that Mothman may be an abnormally large bird of prey, perhaps an ancient holdover like most people believe Nessie is.

I have often wondered if it was a displaced condor.I have heard stories of sick or starving condors going after cars or motorcyclists. ANd condors do have red eyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentavis_magnificens

This is an excellent point. When "Mothman Prophecies" came out, I was a senior in high school and after watching the movie, used to do research on it in study hall. I came across pictures of large condors that had red eyes and could stand up to 8 feet tall.

On a side note, that movie went far beyond the story. It had Richard Gere talking on the phone to the creature. Come on....

[rhzunam]

- the story about the kid who threw a bottle into a river in the Midwest (can't remember exactly where) and it ended up (allegedly) on a beach in California.


I can't buy that supposed trip that bottle took at all. I think somebody found it somewhere else and mailed it back from California. Or it was a fraud.


The Mothman is a mystery I loved since seeing the cover from the book, which was awesome. Yet the UM mystery was so cheap, it was beyond pathetic. I think that drop of quality was a worse hit to UM than Spike. That is how dissapointing that mystery was.

[Clockworkhigh]

Sarah Powell, oh for sure. Hey we should all have a dream that bad.

Now while I don't think they are lying I think the Allagash abductions are hard to believe. It is weird how all 4 men didn't remember it until years later. I guess it is possible that their minds blocked it out though. You do have to believe in aliens to start with but I will say that the story they say about how high their fire was and then "20 minutes" later it was virtually gone is a little compelling

Larry Gibson is hard to swallow

[RobinW]

I'm going to cast my vote for the segment about the statue of Jesus in the church in Pennsylvania that supposedly closed its eyes. When they showed the "before and after" pictures of the statue, I didn't see any difference whatsoever! The eyes on the statue barely looked like they were open to begin with. When I watched the re-enactment, I couldn't figure how the first altar boy could tell that the eyes were closed on a statue that was over twenty feet in the air!

Of course, I never believed that whole thing was a hoax and thought that all the witnesses were sincere and genuine. I just think that after the first guy reported it, everyone else really wanted to believe it so much that wound up seeing what they wanted to see.

[TheCafeDisco]

the spontaneous human combustion epsidode.

[Corkys-Place]

One case I can't seem to get my head around (I only read about this story about 6 months ago) is the Unidentified "Grateful Dead Concert" John Joe. Surely SOMEONE out there knows who this poor kid is? There's a few good clues, from what I read he had on distinctive clothing and had some type of note in his pocket to a friend.
Also, didn't the driver of the Car who was also in the accident survive? Has he talked? What's the story? Did he pick up the victim as a Hitchiker? Or have I not read the whole story properly? :confused:

I find it hard to believe this case....well is a case at all. Someone's got to know who he is. :( :(

[Zoe F]

One case I can't seem to get my head around (I only read about this story about 6 months ago) is the Unidentified "Grateful Dead Concert" John Joe. Surely SOMEONE out there knows who this poor kid is? There's a few good clues, from what I read he had on distinctive clothing and had some type of note in his pocket to a friend.
Also, didn't the driver of the Car who was also in the accident survive? Has he talked? What's the story? Did he pick up the victim as a Hitchiker? Or have I not read the whole story properly? :confused:

I find it hard to believe this case....well is a case at all. Someone's got to know who he is. :( :(

Jason Doe is very much a real case, and it's still being actively worked on by law enforcement.

The driver of the car, Michael Eric Hager, did not survive the accident, but his friends and family had no idea who Jason was. It is probable that Jason was picked up as a hitchhiker, and that was the extent of their knowing one another.

The note from Caroline O. and Caroline T. has been suggested that it came from a group of Grateful Dead fans known as the Wharf Rats. The Wharf Rats are a group that attempts to help concert goers overcome addictions to substances such as alcohol and drugs. A woman known as Caroline T. is one of their area coordinators, and it has been suggested that Caroline O. is likely a relative of hers. If this is the case, Jason was likely just one of several persons who were given information about how to receive assistance.

New possible matches are still checked into routinely, and the hope is that he will eventually be identified. Unfortunately, his is just one of many cases of unidentified decedents. Unsolved Mysteries even covered a few others which still remain unsolved. Two of these featured but still unsolved cases involve young women in their late teens to early twenties, one who has been unidentified since 1971, and the other since 1987. It's heartbreaking.

[McBevis]

The "Walk Ins." This was the one where several people claimed to lose their own personalities and then had their bodies inhabited by strange new ones.

"I'm not Sherry anymore. I'm Juelle now."

Also, the one about the doctor who seemed to be able to get people to stop smoking/drinking/overeating/gambling, etc., simply by waving his hands over them.

[Eire]

One case I can't seem to get my head around (I only read about this story about 6 months ago) is the Unidentified "Grateful Dead Concert" John Joe. Surely SOMEONE out there knows who this poor kid is? There's a few good clues, from what I read he had on distinctive clothing and had some type of note in his pocket to a friend.
Also, didn't the driver of the Car who was also in the accident survive? Has he talked? What's the story? Did he pick up the victim as a Hitchiker? Or have I not read the whole story properly? :confused:

I find it hard to believe this case....well is a case at all. Someone's got to know who he is. :( :(

Just out of curiosity since your probably about the 5th person I've come across who has a hard time believing this case, but what about it makes you think it isn't a real case? I've come across other people who thought the whole thing was a hoax and I just can't understand why. Keep in mind that his clothing may be distinctive to you, but at any given Grateful Dead show, he blended right in.

Of course somebody somewhere knows who he is. The problem is, they either aren't talking or they don't know he was found dead. I didn't know for 5 years that one of my best friends in High School was missing. She's still missing and has been for 10 years. Out of my entire class, I was the only one who knew because I found her on the Doe Network. It's difficult to believe in this day and age, but some people just don't know where to look.

[Drakken]

The note from Caroline O. and Caroline T. has been suggested that it came from a group of Grateful Dead fans known as the Wharf Rats. The Wharf Rats are a group that attempts to help concert goers overcome addictions to substances such as alcohol and drugs. A woman known as Caroline T. is one of their area coordinators, and it has been suggested that Caroline O. is likely a relative of hers. If this is the case, Jason was likely just one of several persons who were given information about how to receive assistance.


I have my doubts about this theory. The number was either miswritten or bogus. If they were indeed the Wharf Rats, they would have given their numbers so often that it would be almost impossible to misswrite, and they would have no interest in giving a wrong number. Besides, if we know the identity of these two individuals, why haven't they come forward to confirm it was indeed their number or that they have been in contact with Jason Doe? Just looking at the composite and reconstruction, he was a bloke hard to miss.

My take is that the note was written by someone else and given to Jason Doe on the girls' behalf, someone who also knew the two girls, but for some unknown reason missheard one or more digits when he scribbled the note.

Also, if they were the area coordinators in and around Washington DC, why did they give a number with an Upstate New York area code?

[egswanso]

I have my doubts about this theory. The number was either miswritten or bogus. If they were indeed the Wharf Rats, they would have given their numbers so often that it would be almost impossible to misswrite, and they would have no interest in giving a wrong number. Besides, if we know the identity of these two individuals, why haven't they come forward to confirm it was indeed their number or that they have been in contact with Jason Doe? Just looking at the composite and reconstruction, he was a bloke hard to miss.

My take is that the note was written by someone else and given to Jason Doe on the girls' behalf, someone who also knew the two girls, but for some unknown reason missheard one or more digits when he scribbled the note.

Also, if they were the area coordinators in and around Washington DC, why did they give a number with an Upstate New York area code?

It wasn't a 914 area code, it was a 914 exchange, as in ***-914-****

Back to the topic at hand, I don't find any alien, "psychic" or parapsychology story credible because I don't find those topics credible.

[Drakken]

It wasn't a 914 area code, it was a 914 exchange, as in ***-914-****

My mistake, then. In the thread it was listed as an area code. :crazy:

Still, the rest of my intervention still holds. It would counter-productive for the Wharf Rats to either give or transmit a wrong number to potential druggies in need of help. Plus they would have checked if the number was good, if only because it was not the first time they would have given a number in a noisy rock concert.

Finally, by now they would have come forward with information.

[MissFit29]

I just watch Georgia Rudolph again today. I had never noticed all the discrepancies with the dates. I found another thread where someone had found a link where Georgia Rudolph is doing psychic work as well.

I'm also a member of the "most beautiful piece of garbage UM ever filmed" club.

[egswanso]

My mistake, then. In the thread it was listed as an area code. :crazy:

Still, the rest of my intervention still holds. It would counter-productive for the Wharf Rats to either give or transmit a wrong number to potential druggies in need of help. Plus they would have checked if the number was good, if only because it was not the first time they would have given a number in a noisy rock concert.

Finally, by now they would have come forward with information.

Agreed. The "Caroline" in question would also had no reason to not come forward; even if she didn't remember "Jason," she'd certainly recognize her own handwriting.

[DP1]

I just watch Georgia Rudolph again today. I had never noticed all the discrepancies with the dates. I found another thread where someone had found a link where Georgia Rudolph is doing psychic work as well.

I'm also a member of the "most beautiful piece of garbage UM ever filmed" club.

Yeah, she pops up from time to time on those Psychic Investigator shows on Tru TV.

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

I just watch Georgia Rudolph again today. I had never noticed all the discrepancies with the dates. I found another thread where someone had found a link where Georgia Rudolph is doing psychic work as well.

I'm also a member of the "most beautiful piece of garbage UM ever filmed" club.

Amen on the beautiful garbage. I think that's why this one ran over and over--they'd spent a lot of time and effort in filming and it was never going to be solved anyway.

This person http://www.starlightinnerprizes.com/Gloria-News-2.htm has done a lot of work revealing Georgia Rudolph to be a fraud, thief, and liar. Bottom line is, she visited a friend in the area, picked up just enough local history to concoct a story, then left and revisited the area claiming she'd never seen it before and had all this revealed psychically. Yes, I noticed the dates on the grandparents' graves were completely wrong for Sandra to have been visiting them as a child, among other things.

[soilentgreen]

The Rudolf Hess segment -- I think that the circumstances of his death (officially attributed to suicide) were somewhat suspect, but I don't buy into the theory that a body double for Hess was the man in Spandau prison.

Justin Burgwinkel -- obviously missing, but the whole military conspiracy seems to be of his own conjuring.

[MissFit29]

Amen on the beautiful garbage. I think that's why this one ran over and over--they'd spent a lot of time and effort in filming and it was never going to be solved anyway.

This person http://www.starlightinnerprizes.com/Gloria-News-2.htm has done a lot of work revealing Georgia Rudolph to be a fraud, thief, and liar. Bottom line is, she visited a friend in the area, picked up just enough local history to concoct a story, then left and revisited the area claiming she'd never seen it before and had all this revealed psychically. Yes, I noticed the dates on the grandparents' graves were completely wrong for Sandra to have been visiting them as a child, among other things.

How does the update with the guy claiming he was Tommy Hicks play into this?

[soilentgreen]

How does the update with the guy claiming he was Tommy Hicks play into this?

Allowing his perception to define his reality. Plus, he got his butt on teevee :crazy:.

[slasherman]

That lucky stone sequence was stupid. The whole families luck turned because of a stone :lol:

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

How does the update with the guy claiming he was Tommy Hicks play into this?

Allowing his perception to define his reality. Plus, he got his butt on teevee :crazy:.

Another thing I always wondered. How could they run the Georgia segment over and over without noticing or acknowledging she was full of it, but they only ran the Tommy guy once without followup? Was he more full of it than she was, but not so much they were able to say so? :confused:

[Apostapler]

That lucky stone sequence was stupid. The whole families luck turned because of a stone :lol:

But it had ALL THE ASPECTS OF NATURE! :lol:

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

But it had ALL THE ASPECTS OF NATURE! :lol:

Love that line, and was intrigued by the segment. It's great to think that something could change your luck like that.

[TracyLynnS]

What's the details with the phone numbers and the Grateful Dead kid? Was his body found with women's phone number(s) that when called, were revealed to be no good?

If it wasn't the Wharf Rats giving out a hotline number, which I thought was a pretty good theory until I read that the number didn't belong to them, is it possible that the guy simply met some girls at a concert, asked for their phone numbers, and they weren't interested so they gave him fakes?

I'm asking about the numbers for the sake of clarifying the facts for myself. I haven't seen this segment in a very long time...

[Drakken]

If it wasn't the Wharf Rats giving out a hotline number, which I thought was a pretty good theory until I read that the number didn't belong to them, is it possible that the guy simply met some girls at a concert, asked for their phone numbers, and they weren't interested so they gave him fakes?


It's another theory. However, the wording of the note makes be believe it was a honest mistake in taking the number down. Girls who give fake numbers don't apologize for leaving, they just give a first name and a fake number.

Also, the wording suggests a third person took the note and gave it to Jason Doe afterwards, as why would they need to apologize for leaving on paper to Jason Doe, when they could have just told him in his face? That discredits even more the possibility that they weren't interested or being dishonest, because otherwise why even give a note with a phone number in the first place? They just needed to leave without telling him anything and forget about him. On the contrary, they, or at least one Caroline, wanted him to call them back. It makes it likely they were co-eds or, at least, living together if they give a single number to join the both of them.

Finally, the last name initials suggests that Jason Doe knew these two girls at least enough to distinguish who's who among the two Caroline.

So it's either a typo, or a cruel joke the girls were playing on Jason Doe by faking to be interested, but giving him a false number.

It might also in part why neither of the Caroline has come forward, as they wouldn't recognize their handwriting (because it wasn't) and could have been drunk or stoned enough that night not to remember about Jason. Or, simply because they do recognize him, but being that he died in a car accident and foul play isn't involved, they feel they cannot bring any more information about his identity, especially if the details of them meeting Jason were already sketchy in their memories.

As for the notetaker, it could be the same... or he might be dead or incapacitated.

[Eire]

It could also be possible that the note wasn't for Jason Doe. Maybe he was the one who was supposed to pass it on to somebody else. Perhaps he didn't find the person to whom it was intended before he left the show.

[Drakken]

It could also be possible that the note wasn't for Jason Doe. Maybe he was the one who was supposed to pass it on to somebody else. Perhaps he didn't find the person to whom it was intended before he left the show.

Absolutely, we have no proof that the Doe's first name was indeed Jason. :(

[MissFit29]

In the Dakota Double Death story, I also find Tracy's explanation of that car accident a little difficult to believe. For that car to flip, they would have to have had a little more speed and force than just merely pulling away from a stop sign. Something is missing there.

[wiseguy182]

I'm going to cast my vote for the segment about the statue of Jesus in the church in Pennsylvania that supposedly closed its eyes. When they showed the "before and after" pictures of the statue, I didn't see any difference whatsoever! The eyes on the statue barely looked like they were open to begin with. When I watched the re-enactment, I couldn't figure how the first altar boy could tell that the eyes were closed on a statue that was over twenty feet in the air!

Of course, I never believed that whole thing was a hoax and thought that all the witnesses were sincere and genuine. I just think that after the first guy reported it, everyone else really wanted to believe it so much that wound up seeing what they wanted to see.

I just rewatched that one and it is one of the most absurd segments ever.

After looking at the before and after pics, the eyes didn't appear to move, not even a millimeter. The eyes on the statue had just been redone so I'm sure that's what people were seeing. I found it absurd how everyone was crying over this.

I believe it was a hoax. The priest claimed to received a "message from God" that his church was basically the new Medjurgore, and several of the priests in the church were from there, so I think he was trying to drum up popularity for his church.

[Charlie99909]

It's another theory. However, the wording of the note makes be believe it was a honest mistake in taking the number down. Girls who give fake numbers don't apologize for leaving, they just give a first name and a fake number.

Also, the wording suggests a third person took the note and gave it to Jason Doe afterwards, as why would they need to apologize for leaving on paper to Jason Doe, when they could have just told him in his face? That discredits even more the possibility that they weren't interested or being dishonest, because otherwise why even give a note with a phone number in the first place? They just needed to leave without telling him anything and forget about him. On the contrary, they, or at least one Caroline, wanted him to call them back. It makes it likely they were co-eds or, at least, living together if they give a single number to join the both of them.

Finally, the last name initials suggests that Jason Doe knew these two girls at least enough to distinguish who's who among the two Caroline.

So it's either a typo, or a cruel joke the girls were playing on Jason Doe by faking to be interested, but giving him a false number.

It might also in part why neither of the Caroline has come forward, as they wouldn't recognize their handwriting (because it wasn't) and could have been drunk or stoned enough that night not to remember about Jason. Or, simply because they do recognize him, but being that he died in a car accident and foul play isn't involved, they feel they cannot bring any more information about his identity, especially if the details of them meeting Jason were already sketchy in their memories.

As for the notetaker, it could be the same... or he might be dead or incapacitated.



I have followed this case for awhile and I found an interesting aspect on this case. There is a group of deadheads who actually believe this man did not exist. They feel the police are trying to get people on tax evasion, narcotic use, etc.
Which is absurd but it makes you wonder if people do know more and just use a thin excuse to hide behind it.

[TracyLynnS]

Noooooo!!! The stupid aphrodisiac segment again.

I just watched the walk in segment and noticed it was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can't be sure if the women in the segment are for real or what but that Stepping Outside Your Body and Watching Yourself indicates a mental illness.

I wouldn't be surprised if those people were over stressed (the one woman had just given birth to her sixth kid or something) and were having trouble coping.

[RedBasket]

Noooooo!!! The stupid aphrodisiac segment again.

I just watched the walk in segment and noticed it was mentioned earlier in this thread. I can't be sure if the women in the segment are for real or what but that Stepping Outside Your Body and Watching Yourself indicates a mental illness.

I wouldn't be surprised if those people were over stressed (the one woman had just given birth to her sixth kid or something) and were having trouble coping.

I agree. If my spouse announced he stepped outside to watch himself and I wold ask him to be evaluated....pronto!

Fertility statue needs to go away. Never need to see that one again.

[TheCars1986]

The message in a bottle wasn't hard to believe per se, but I don't see why it was even featured on UM. Why was the kid looking for the people who responded? What possibly could have came from that "reunion"?

[1990 UM fan]

didn't Unsolved Mysteries tell us to be open to all possibilities. Some of these cases are quite factual if you dug into the matter scientifically, like with human combustion and aphrodisiacs.

[RedBasket]

didn't Unsolved Mysteries tell us to be open to all possibilities. Some of these cases are quite factual if you dug into the matter scientifically, like with human combustion and aphrodisiacs.

True, but I like to watch this show with my sons, who are in 7th and 8th grade. I don't want to explain aphrodisiacs to them! :lol:

But that is my just me...

How about Georgia Rudolph? There is a line of thinking that UM keeps airing that segment because it probably costs so much to produce.

[TheCars1986]

Does anyone know if the Jason Doe Grateful Dead fan is on the forbidden website?

[RedBasket]

Any episode that deals with kids and reincarnation together....just not for me.

"My child cried hysterically at the sight of a tugboat! He must be the reincarnation of a sea captain murdered by his crew!"

[TracyLynnS]

I've just uncovered actual photos of mothman!!!!

Well, maybe....

I used to live in the country and we had sandhill cranes that wandered all around our property and even came up to the front porch many times.

I used to call them my "chickens". The darn things are huge, too. The ones we had were around 5 to 6 feet tall and had enormous wingspans of over 7 feet. They also have sinister "glowing red eyes". lol

Anyway, I was thinking that maybe mothman was just a sandhill crane or other similar species that had just happened to have been observed by people who've partaken of a bit too much of the Good Stuff.


http://birdfreak.com/wp-content/themes/thesis_18/custom/rotator/sandhill-crane.jpg

http://www.anthroblogs.org/nomadicthoughts/archives/Sandhill-Crane.jpg

http://www.beezodogsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sandhill-crane.jpg

http://deniseippolito.com/diwp01/wp-content/gallery/avian/sandhill-crane.jpg

[Clytemnestra]

Does anyone know if the Jason Doe Grateful Dead fan is on the forbidden website?

I would like to know this too!

[RobinW]

Does anyone know if the Jason Doe Grateful Dead fan is on the forbidden website?

Just do a search under "Special Alert Unid Grateful Dead fan". However, since the segment is just a special alert, it only runs 51 seconds long, though it is quite amazing that such a short segment has sparked so much discussion.

[skypilot]

1). the guy/guys that had pictures of big foot. really- this just made me roll my eyes.

2). crop circles. they even brought in a supposed "expert" on the phenomenon to talk about how it couldn't have been created by humans due to how fast it appeared and how complex it all was. later it was admitted two chaps from scottland are responsible with nothing more than a plank of wood and some rope.

3). loch ness monster. i know it sounds ridiculous, but they had a guy with "photographic evidence" of a silhouette monster coming out of the lake.

4). the guy that channels famous painters from history then "frantically" projects their work on canvas. towards the end of that particular case an art expert summed it up best by saying "to think that monet or van gogh are reaching out from beyond the grave to produce more work is just preposterous!"

[JenniferS.]

How about the bible code. Not more then a week after this segment initially aired i saw this guys book in a dollar store.


I also seem to remember one about a young girl who could make her phone fly off the hook with out touching it. the lights go off and on in the house. eggs go through the refridgeorator. was she suposed to have a poltorgist or somethng?

what about the ghost stories . do any of those fit this catagory for you guys?I do recall one about a haunted bunk bed.

[TheCars1986]

The theraputic touch segment was kind of hard to believe. And the one where the woman would "massage" animals, that was stupid. I thought it was funny that she tried to "massage" that tiger at the zoo and he wouldn't let her so they had a zoo keeper do it for her and noticed the "change in his temperament". Did we really need a UM segment to say that animals like getting petted?

[JenniferS.]

Got another one., The one were those teens when up on some hill cause it was a miricale place or something and took a picture of one of their friends who they saoid had glow aeound her and it turn out just to be light getting on the negative. and another picture they saiod was a friends tomb stone who died and it turned about to pic of the back of the box.

[skypilot]

there was a case about a lady (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Katie) that could not only predict the future, but she could also produce gold foil from her skin. if i remember correctly, um had video footage of the "gold" appearing like magic on her skin.

for whatever reason, i always had problems believing this story anyway.

[HHorseman]

The rain man segment seemed abit to unbelievable. I think hed originally been struck by thunder and afterwards rain would follow him wherever he stood lol.

[HHorseman]

1)BigFoot in Pacific Northwest- this segment interviews a land surveyor who claims was marking territory and bumps into a bigfoot. He claims his life felt endangered but dosen't fire even one round from his weapon. Gee if you have a revolver and a huge creature charges at you wouldn't you fire? In addition, he had already fired a couple shots in the air. :lol: That surveyor was good for a laugh,wonder where Stack found that loser.