I'm gonna get kicked for this but it needs to be said...

[Teddys_Angel_Jinny]

The tragedy that struck our nation Tuesday, September 11th, left 4,700+ dead in just the World Trade Center alone. Not to mention all the people who died in the attack on the Pentagon and the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. I truly believe that most of the people who died in the attack were not saved. I'm a die hard Christian and I hope that you can tell by the way that I act. I was saved when I was five and then I wandered from God over the course of the years. I started going to a local Youth group and I was saved again and I've found a new peace and hope in Jesus Christ. When I check this board every day, it makes me scared to think that there are so many people that I won't be spending eternity with. I urge you to tap down into your deepest soul and find God there. Go to church, go up to the altar and invite Jesus into your heart. Then live to serve him. Only live to serve him. He loves you. A lot of people will read this and scoff but I'm serious. Allow me to quote a little bit from the Bible.

"There will be wars and rumors or wars."
"Isreal will be attacked."
"One nation will seige against a more powerful nation."

People, wake up to what's going on around you. There's a timeline... It all adds up. The second coming is right around the corner and if you're not ready you're going to be left behind. Please, please, respond to this and tell me what you honestly think or
e-mail me if you prefer. I want you to know God. I want you to find the peace on the inside that I have. So, kick me off the board if you want, and close all of my topics, this is not a joke. Laugh if you want. But... whatever you choose to do, have a nice eternity where ever you choose to spend it.


~*~ Kenzie ~*~

[This message has been edited by Teddys_Angel_Jinny (edited 09-17-2001).]

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[Devastation26]

You know, you're absolutely right.

[sue z q]

Amen, Kenzie! I've been wanting to do a topic like this, but I wasn't sure exactly what to say. Thank you for doing this! Too many people don't know about Christ and with these recent events, it really brings the length of life in perspective.

People, time is running out. Christ's second coming and rapture of His church could happen at any moment, are you prepared? I, too, urge you to examine your life. What are you living for? Are you truly happy where you are? Would you have an answer if someone asked you the meaning of life? You can have purpose, you're not worthless. God loves you. You may be laughing, but we're just trying to warn you. I have confidence in where I'm going after I die, do you? I know I'm going to spend eternity with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ and all my brothers and sisters in Him. Man, it's gonna be a blast, huh, Kenzie? With you and D and me and others I know who are Christians. Please, pick up a Bible, go to a church, ask some Christian friends or teachers you might have. I can't stress the urgency of this enough. You might not have as long as you think.

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[Cokies]

I don't know. I just don't believe that just because I don't go to the alter, or the fact that I'm not a "die-hard" Christian means that I'm going to be "left behind". That's not being optimistic, now is it?
I have faith, but I just don't understand it fully, and I don't really have an idea of where "to put it". When I do come to understand, I'll be okay, just like every other good soul in the world.

[iwannabeanExstead/McKeon]

y wud u be kicked off?? i mean..it isnt like u went off on every1 or sumthin.... http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

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[Kitt]

Originally posted by Cokies:
I don't know. I just don't believe that just because I don't go to the alter, or the fact that I'm not a "die-hard" Christian means that I'm going to be "left behind". That's not being optimistic, now is it?
I have faith, but I just don't understand it fully, and I don't really have an idea of where "to put it". When I do come to understand, I'll be okay, just like every other good soul in the world.
I agree with Cokies and if the 'preachers' on the board would study their bibles they would see that it discourages heavy-handed preaching.

Signed: One of the every other good souls in the world.

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[Ags2000]

I just wanted to say, that I have gotten great comfort from a few verses in the bible this past week. As it happens, it is the same verses that Lisa posted in her Journal yesterday and I thought I would post it here.
Isaiah chapter 54:

11 “O storm-battered city, troubled and desolate! I will rebuild you on a foundation of sapphires and make the walls of your houses from precious jewels.
12 I will make your towers of sparkling rubies and your gates and walls of shining gems.
13 I will teach all your citizens, and their prosperity will be great.
14 You will live under a government that is just and fair. Your enemies will stay far away; you will live in peace. Terror will not come near.
15 If any nation comes to fight you, it will not be because I sent them to punish you. Your enemies will always be defeated because I am on your side.
16 I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals beneath the forge and makes the weapons of destruction. And I have created the armies that destroy.
17 But in that coming day, no weapon turned against you will succeed. And everyone who tells lies in court will be brought to justice. These benefits are enjoyed by the servants of the LORD; their vindication will come from me. I, the LORD, have spoken!”

D


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September 11, 2001
A day that will never be forgotten because WE will not let it be forgotten.
Our thoughts and prayers are with all of the friends and families involved in these horrendous acts against humanity. They will NEVER be forgotten. We will NOT let the terrorists cause terror all across our great nation. We will continue, and we WILL survive.

To those that lost their lives September 11, 2001: Vaya con Dios!

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[Mossopp]

Please don't preach on this board. If I wanted to listen to a sermon I'd go to church!
I'm not religious, I don't believe in Jesus and I've never read the Bible (apart from when I was forced to at school) and that doesn't make me a bad person, nor does it mean I'm going to hell!
I find the whole idea of organised religion a lot more frightening than any threats of World War or Armageddon. You sound like you've been brainwashed and I feel kinda sorry for you cos you've worked yourself up into a frenzy for nothing. The events of the past week were truly devastating but IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD! Nor is it the start of World War 3!
There have been many millions of wars throughout the ages - there is a war going on somewhere in the world EVERY day - and yet our planet is still in one piece. And it will still be in one piece many, many years from now.
You are grossly overreacting and I hope you can come to realise this yourself before you waste the rest of your life cowering in your basement waiting for Armageddon!
Mossopp

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"...everything was there and around us. We knew exactly who we were and exactly where we were going. It was grand."
- Gordie, 'Stand By Me'

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[Kitt]

Thank you mossopp. I am so incensed to find the preaching on the board. I was leery to express just how much so. What you have said to the preachers and about their (interpretations) I'll let stand for me.

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[~*hosebabe87*~]

ok i go both ways...i agree that we shouldn't "preach" here, but mossop u can't go yelling at someone for wut they believe and it was u that over reacted(sp) so i think we should just forget about anything that's been posted here, and not let this get between all of us.

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[LaverneShirley]

Frist of all, no one was forced to read this topic, so I don't see HOW anyone was "subjected to" listening to preaching. Second of all, I don't understand how this is an "inapproiate" BOARD to post it on, since it's called "Chit-Chat" and it's where we talk about things that aren't about sitcoms. I believe religion falls under that category.

Third of all, I have been saved and I am a Christian but I do not think that whoever started this approached it in the right way. You do not go up to someone and say "The world will end one day and if you're not saved you'll be left behind." I think everyone should find a religion they believe is right (or no religion at all, if that suits them), and if that's what they believe, so be it. I myself question God's existence sometimes, especially with all that's happened this past week. That doesn't make me a bad person, or even a bad Christian. I may end up in hell, I may end up in heaven, I may end up somewhere else entirely. Which is why I'm spending my life enjoying what little time on earth I'll have rather than worry about what will happen to me when I die.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Very level headed response LaverneShirley.

I wish more Christians were like you. You have a way of saying how you feel without pushing it onto others, which, as an agnostic, I appreciate. I don't appreciate being told I am going to go to hell.

[LaverneShirley]

Thank you, Bootsy.

[nancysbiggestfan]

I, myself, don't believe in pushing my religion on people. I see nothing wrong with witnessing to them. And there is a difference there. I dont think that anyone that was witnessing to peeps on here was out of line or said anything too pushy.

I too am a Christian. This very well could be the point leading up to the rapture. But then again it may not. No one knows that for sure except God Himself. I feel good to know that me Kenzie, Sue z q, and some of the others have that wonderful promise of living in heaven for eternity with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

That's all I have to say now.

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LYLAS or LYLAB
Peace Out!

Teddy: Hey, I'm making you an offer you can't refuse.

Jinny: Look, you know who I am, OK? You know who my family is. Why do you even wanna be with me at all?
Teddy: Because, I love you.
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Jinny: Basically, people are who people are. Your born, you die pretty much the same person. All the rest is just window dressing.
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[A Gilligan Fan ss]

I think you should take Teddys_Angel_Jinny seriously. It's true. My grandma says it's a sign that the end times are coming very close. This is very serious and IT'S true. I'm a christian and it is NOT a religion, It's a realationship with God. My grandma is really a true christian (I don't really know how to put it) I mean, Some of you say that you go to church. That's good but did you repent, except Jesus as your lord and savior, that he's real and he die on the cross? I know this might sound a little creepy to you but this is all true. I didn't want to post something like this because I thought it would be against the law, which isn't really fair. I mean I really think you should listen to Teddys_Angel_Jinny, she IS telling the truth. I'm young and just learning but this is very very true. My parents and grandma told me all about this. You might not be able to understand me but THIS IS VERY TRUE. You may not believe me what most of you think. Just think. What if you were in that building, Not to say that I want you to but listen, do you know where you would go. Everyone, Jesus died on the cross and saved you all from going straight to hell. You all have a choice. You were all given a chance. Everyone has heard of this before but some of you don't take it seriously because you are scared and you want to do what you want to do. I tell you this isn't a religion and being a Christian isn't like cleaning yourself everytime you pray , IT IS NOT LIKE THAT. All you have to do is except that Jesus is real and that he died on the cross to save us, which is very true. All you have to do is to do that. then read the bible everyday and go to church. Not once a month but everytime. It says in the bible: don't fail to assemble yourself in chruch, It may not be the exact words but I'm learning. This isn't going to like ruin everything that you want to do. Once you get born again you feel different and much better. Once you pray you'll have your prayers answered. It might take long but It'll happen. Ok This is what I have to say. I hope you've all taken this seriosly, because it is.

[Kitt]

Laverne, point taken on the first part of what you said. As to the rest, we're (nearly) of like mind. I've heard the earlier writers sermon before in the wake of pain and suffering and have grown impatient with it. Seeing it once again put out to young minds bothered me a lot. If you think I overreacted that was my reason for doing so.
Kitt

[Bootsy Whoosh]

How do you KNOW it's true? Because your grandma told you? How does she know? Is God talking to you or something, because there is absolutely NO other way that you can say for certain that IT IS TRUE!

You all tell me that we must believe or else I will get "left behind" when the end comes. Are you all so blinded that you can't even consider for one fifth of a nanosecond that maybe YOU won't be saved? That maybe religion really is just the opium of the people? Or what if Christianity isn't the "right" religion? What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Because all religions preach to worship their God, or you will go to hell. Well, only one religion can be "right" and everyone else is going to hell. How do you KNOW you're right?

I know it's a matter of faith....I know that's what faith is all about. But the point is, you cannot KNOW for SURE that YOU are RIGHT, and therefore you shouldn't try to push your beliefs on others.

[~*hosebabe87*~]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
How do you KNOW it's true? Because your grandma told you? How does she know? Is God talking to you or something, because there is absolutely NO other way that you can say for certain that IT IS TRUE!

You all tell me that we must believe or else I will get "left behind" when the end comes. Are you all so blinded that you can't even consider for one fifth of a nanosecond that maybe YOU won't be saved? That maybe religion really is just the opium of the people? Or what if Christianity isn't the "right" religion? What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Because all religions preach to worship their God, or you will go to hell. Well, only one religion can be "right" and everyone else is going to hell. How do you KNOW you're right?

I know it's a matter of faith....I know that's what faith is all about. But the point is, you cannot KNOW for SURE that YOU are RIGHT, and therefore you shouldn't try to push your beliefs on others.

you're right, we don't know for sure if this is all true, but htat's where faith comes in. You have to believe that Christ is real, some of us do, some of us don't, and there's nothing wrong with either of those. That's why I really don't like this topic...we're persecuting each other because of wut religion they are, and that's just wrong! That's why this whole terrorist thing happened in the first place.


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[angel676]

If you don't mind my saying this but God
loves everyone, no matter what religion
you are. He even loves the ones that
haven't been "saved". I haven't been
"saved" nor do I want to be saved. One
doesn't have to be a Christian, a devout
Christian or even "saved" to trully love
and God. I'm not sure if any of you can
tell by my post but I'm not religious one
bit. I sometimes believe in God and I
sometimes don't, but that doesn't make
me a bad person. For the person that
started this topic, you should be ashamed of yourself. If you don't mind my asking
and please don't take this the wrong way
but what are you trying to do, convert everyone over to Christianity? Shame Shame!!!! If not, it certainly seems like
that in my eyes.

[vienna waits]

I completely agree with everything Kenzie has said. I just recently starting becoming more religous when Lisa Whelchel sent a book about life with Christ. Its really opened my eyes and I'm starting to go back to church again and I soon want to be baptized. I know it sounds odd but the other day I had a problem and I prayed to God to help me find a solution to my problem and suddenly I knew what I should do and I couldnt see doing it any other way. I know it sounds wierd but I really feel like God helped me find an answer to my problem.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by kittflynn:
This is a grossly inappropriate forum to be preaching. I resent being subjected to it where I didn't ask for it. If you study your bible, you'll see that it discourages heavy-handed preaching.

Signed: One of the every other good souls in the world.



Question. Uh...were you telling me that I was preaching, or were you just making an example? Because I wasn't, if that's the way you took it. I'm agnostic, basically. Like I said, I have faith, but mainly in myself.

[Kitt]

No Cokies, just the opposite. I'm in alliance with what you said and consider myself to be one of the-- I'll be alright without a lot of hype thrown at me, people. I was proudly borrowing your line. Thanks for a good line. Sorry you misunderstood.
Kitt

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[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by ~*hosebabe87*~:
you're right, we don't know for sure if this is all true, but htat's where faith comes in. You have to believe that Christ is real, some of us do, some of us don't, and there's nothing wrong with either of those. That's why I really don't like this topic...we're persecuting each other because of wut religion they are, and that's just wrong! That's why this whole terrorist thing happened in the first place.


I know that's where faith comes in. I conceded that in my post. What I meant when I said "how do you know it's true" is not "how to you know Christ is real" or whatever, what I meant was, how can you know that the second coming is near and the world is going to end? Because there is NO way ANYone could know that unless they are having some kind of direct dialogue with God.

Originally posted by tootieismyfav:
I completely agree with everything Kenzie has said. I just recently starting becoming more religous when Lisa Whelchel sent a book about life with Christ. Its really opened my eyes and I'm starting to go back to church again and I soon want to be baptized. I know it sounds odd but the other day I had a problem and I prayed to God to help me find a solution to my problem and suddenly I knew what I should do and I couldnt see doing it any other way. I know it sounds wierd but I really feel like God helped me find an answer to my problem.

Now see this kind of post I have no problem with. Openly and honestly sharing your feelings about your faith doesn't bother me, and really, shouldn't bother anyone. I am interested in hearing how people feel about ALL faiths...I just don't think people should go around saying that the world is ending and everyone who isn't "saved" is going to be left behind or go to hell. That is irresponsible and is backfiring in their face if their aim is to convert people. Someone should not join a religion out of fear!

[~*hosebabe87*~]

Originally posted by Bootsy Whoosh:
Now see this kind of post I have no problem with. Openly and honestly sharing your feelings about your faith doesn't bother me, and really, shouldn't bother anyone. I am interested in hearing how people feel about ALL faiths...I just don't think people should go around saying that the world is ending and everyone who isn't "saved" is going to be left behind or go to hell. That is irresponsible and is backfiring in their face if their aim is to convert people. Someone should not join a religion out of fear!




oh, well now you're confusing me. I thought that you DIDN'T like people talking about their faith, but now you're ok with it? UM...ok. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/confused.gif Well, I'm not mad at anyone, so don't anyone think that, k? http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gifI guess I gotta go get ready for school now http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/frown.gif hehe

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[nancysbiggestfan]

Originally posted by A Gilligan Fan ss:
I think you should take Teddys_Angel_Jinny seriously. It's true. My grandma says it's a sign that the end times are coming very close. This is very serious and IT'S true. I'm a christian and it is NOT a religion, It's a realationship with God. My grandma is really a true christian (I don't really know how to put it) I mean, Some of you say that you go to church. That's good but did you repent, except Jesus as your lord and savior, that he's real and he die on the cross? I know this might sound a little creepy to you but this is all true. I didn't want to post something like this because I thought it would be against the law, which isn't really fair. I mean I really think you should listen to Teddys_Angel_Jinny, she IS telling the truth. I'm young and just learning but this is very very true. My parents and grandma told me all about this. You might not be able to understand me but THIS IS VERY TRUE. You may not believe me what most of you think. Just think. What if you were in that building, Not to say that I want you to but listen, do you know where you would go. Everyone, Jesus died on the cross and saved you all from going straight to hell. You all have a choice. You were all given a chance. Everyone has heard of this before but some of you don't take it seriously because you are scared and you want to do what you want to do. I tell you this isn't a religion and being a Christian isn't like cleaning yourself everytime you pray , IT IS NOT LIKE THAT. All you have to do is except that Jesus is real and that he died on the cross to save us, which is very true. All you have to do is to do that. then read the bible everyday and go to church. Not once a month but everytime. It says in the bible: don't fail to assemble yourself in chruch, It may not be the exact words but I'm learning. This isn't going to like ruin everything that you want to do. Once you get born again you feel different and much better. Once you pray you'll have your prayers answered. It might take long but It'll happen. Ok This is what I have to say. I hope you've all taken this seriosly, because it is.

I agree, basically, with everything you just said. Yes, I go to church and I think you should (notice i said I think not you have to), but that isn't what saves you or at least by my belief it isnt. It is accepting that wonderful gift that God gave us. Which is sending His only begotten Son, Jesus, to die on the cross for our sins. I have accepted that gift and I hope many of have or will before time ends. Jesus rose from that grave after He was crucified and will be coming back for his bride soon. The bride is us by the way, that is what we are called in the Bible. We meaning those that are saved.

I, in no way, am trying to press upon you to convert to my religion. I just dont want any of you to go to hell. I'm not saying that you will if you do this or wont if you do that. I respect your opinions on everything but I do have my own. And Im just stating those. You can agree or disagree. Im not trying to cause a arguement or anything of the such.

Im not sure who said this but someone said that they had a prob and they prayed about it and God showed them the answer. I just wanted to say I think that is so awesome. He has done the same thing to me many times.

I gotta get off now. TTYL bye


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²Tiffany²

LYLAS or LYLAB
Peace Out!

Teddy: Hey, I'm making you an offer you can't refuse.

Jinny: Look, you know who I am, OK? You know who my family is. Why do you even wanna be with me at all?
Teddy: Because, I love you.
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Jinny: Basically, people are who people are. Your born, you die pretty much the same person. All the rest is just window dressing.
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[Bootsy Whoosh]

Originally posted by ~*hosebabe87*~:

oh, well now you're confusing me. I thought that you DIDN'T like people talking about their faith, but now you're ok with it? UM...ok. http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/confused.gif Well, I'm not mad at anyone, so don't anyone think that, k? http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/smile.gif

Ok, then, let me clear things up. I have no problem at all with people sharing their feelings about their faith, and relating how it makes them feel and what it means to them. Me and my roommates have had many a long philosophical discussion about our various religios views (which cover Christianity, Buddhist, Protestant, and agnostic.)

What DOES bother me is when people go off on these "the world is ending" tangents, and/or "you must accept Jesus into your heart now or you WILL go to hell" tangents. These type of posts serve no purpose other than to irritate the non-religious among us, and irritation is no way to convince someone to join your religion. Also, as I said before, joining a religion out of fear is not too great either.

And just to clear things futher...I am also not mad at anyone. Mildly irritated, perhaps, but not angry.

[Cokies]

Originally posted by kittflynn:
No Cokies, just the opposite. I'm in alliance with what you said and consider myself to be one of the-- I'll be alright without a lot of hype thrown at me, people. I was proudly borrowing your line. Thanks for a good line. Sorry you misunderstood.
Kitt



Oh, alright, whew. It's just I didn't want to get on your bad side right off the bat. Especially over something such as religion.

[Teddys_Angel_Jinny]

Okay, let's clear up a few things. I haven't check this topic for fear of what some of you would say, but, thanks to my friend sue z q, that I had the courage to check this. I am not in any way trying to push my religion on anyone but I'm sorry if it came out sounding like that. Actually, not that this is any of your business, I'm Free Will Babtist, and I have Buddhist friends, I have a Mormon teacher, I have Assembly of God friends, and I was at one time dating an Atheist.

And, one more thing, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't look at this as preaching. I look at it as ministering. I just wanted to show y'all love. And angel676 has a point, God LOVES EVERYONE saved or unsaved! Deeply religious or Atheist. Please don't think that I'm mad at you, because I'm not. I don't get mad anymore, I get agitated.

Another thing, how come y'all are so into the drugs and alcohol topics and no one gets mad at the people who started that post, but the very second Jesus come into the picture, y'all are all over me chewing on my butt because I said that Jesus loves you and I'm concerned about where you're going when you die. So, again, I'm NOT AT ALL
mad at anyone and I don't want you to be mad at me, but if that's what you choose, then I can't stop you, can I?

I'm "climbing off my soapbox" now.

[angel676]

Originally posted by Teddys_Angel_Jinny:
Okay, let's clear up a few things. I haven't check this topic for fear of what some of you would say, but, thanks to my friend sue z q, that I had the courage to check this. I am not in any way trying to push my religion on anyone but I'm sorry if it came out sounding like that. Actually, not that this is any of your business, I'm Free Will Babtist, and I have Buddhist friends, I have a Mormon teacher, I have Assembly of God friends, and I was at one time dating an Atheist.

And, one more thing, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't look at this as preaching. I look at it as ministering. I just wanted to show y'all love. And angel676 has a point, God LOVES EVERYONE saved or unsaved! Deeply religious or Atheist. Please don't think that I'm mad at you, because I'm not. I don't get mad anymore, I get agitated.

Another thing, how come y'all are so into the drugs and alcohol topics and no one gets mad at the people who started that post, but the very second Jesus come into the picture, y'all are all over me chewing on my butt because I said that Jesus loves you and I'm concerned about where you're going when you die. So, again, I'm NOT AT ALL
mad at anyone and I don't want you to be mad at me, but if that's what you choose, then I can't stop you, can I?

I'm "climbing off my soapbox" now.

From my personal experience, any talk
about Jesus and religion is controversial. Everyone has their own
opinion, but others might not like their
opinion. So, in my opinion, I think it
would be best if we didn't talk or even
mention Jesus or religious beliefs or
what-not. I know a few topics to avoid
with people, this is one of them. I wanted to add my 2 cents.

[Bootsy Whoosh]

Personally, I don't think all talk about Jesus or religion should be avoided, and it certainly shouldn't be banned or whatever....at the same time, I don't think people who bring up the topic should be surprised at the amount of controversy it stirs up. Religion is something that touches almost all people whether you are religious or not, so almost everyone will have an opinion on, whereas drugs and alcohol don't necessarily touch everyone. Many people are apathetic about drugs and alcohol, not too many people are apathetic about spouting off their religious viewpoints.

Also, personally, from my perspective, no one was "chewing on anyone's butt." When you go ministering, you have to expect a certain amount of disagreement, resentment, and resistance; because if you encountered immediate conversion, then you aren't even really ministering because obviously the person had inclinations towards that faith to begin with.

[Kitt]

I don't think that your remarks in your follow up reply take full responsibility for you initial remarks. After informing us all that the world would end soon and we'd better take heed, this is how you ended your 'ministering' to us. "This is not a joke. Laugh if you want. But...whatever you choose to do, have a nice eternity where ever you choose to spend it."

Now, step back and listen to that from the ears of whomever it is being told to. To me, it has the tone of a threat rather than good will. I'm sure we all want this discussion to end in good will. I know that I do. I'm trying to be honest without hurting anyone.

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[BlairW_1]

I'm sorry to have bumped this topic up, for all of you who don't like reading it, but I haven't been on this board in almost a month, and I am one of Kenzie's good friends, so I feel like I should be supporting her.

A word of warning before you read my post... I am very, very religious, but I am also telling you that I will not, in any way, try and force my religion onto non-Christians. If you feel like you need to post in support, or to disagree, with my post, please do so, I won't get mad. And, you may also email me if you want.

I believe that Jesus was born to the virgin Mary, sent to Earth by God to show humans the way to Him. And, I believe that He died on the cross, to forgive our sins. To put this in human perspective, think about one of your family members, or who you live with. Think about them dying, and suffering, just so that someone that they'd never met could live. Would you be able to watch that? To know that they were so selfless that they could do that? I know I couldn't. I'm just thankful for all of the blessings that God has given me, and the whole human race.

To follow up on something that Kenzie said, I'm going to give a summary, not a quote, of Matthew 24. Jesus said that many people would come, saying "I am the Christ." There will be many wars and rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many places. Then Christians will be killed for what they believe in, and many people will offend and hate each other because of My name's sake. But he (Christians) who stays faithful to the end will be saved, and then the end will come.

Now compare that to how the world is today...

People saying "I am the Christ"- The reason Tim McVeigh bombed OKC, a person in his religious group said he was Jesus, and the government went and stopped them.

Wars and rumors- Israel (I don't think anything else needs to be said about them), and now America is most likely going to war, too.

Famines and earthquakes- The famines that are in the Middle East (hence the Save the Children commercials), and those earthquakes in Turkey that can kill thousands at one time.

Christians killed- There are seven Christians on trial right now in the Middle East, just for telling people about what they and other Christians believe to be the Truth.

Faithful ones saved- Well, there's no evidence of that, but I believe you'll have to wait until the Rapture to see that.

Was that too forthcoming? It's going on fliers to be passed out at our S-team First Priority meetings, and I thought I'd share it with you. If you ever want to follow up on this, first read John, then Romans, and finally, Revalations. It's amazing about how accurate the Bible is, so that is my evidence that God is real, and why I put my trust in Him.

Well, this is getting too long, so I guess I'll end it here, saying that I'm one of Kenzie's First Assembly friends... lol, K, c-y'all later!!! <3 y'all!

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You're coming back angrily from a Sunday service because all of your family tried to convert you into a true Christian. Yeah, you've been going to church, but you just don't buy all this Holy, Holy stuff. You take a bite of your peanut-butter sandwich, which is your breakfast. During the process of angrily honking your horn at a slow milk-truck in front of you, with about 40,000 bumperstickers on it, a wad of peanut butter gets stuck in your throat. You start coughing, and the car swerves uncontrollably. You run into the milk-truck, and it turns over on top of you, spilling milk all through your windshield and flooding your car. You stay there, almost drowning in milk, until you vaguely hear sirens and muffled voices. They carefully pull you out of the car, and place you on the strecher. One of the last things you see are two bumper stickers on a twisted piece of metal left from the truck, side by side. One of them says, "Got Milk?" the other says, "Got God?" As you are being loaded into the ambulance, you use the last of your strength to give out one final cry of pain. You close your eyes in prayer, asking the Lord to forgive you of your sins, thanking him for sending his Son to die on the cross for you. Suddenly some of what the strange man up in the pulpit has been preaching clicks in your mind, and you start to weep. You feel your strength flowing from you, but you stay calm, still mouthing, "Thank you, Jesus." You calmly take your last breath, knowing that you've finally figured something out, you've given your life to Christ, and you're going to Heaven...

Okay, was that too dramatic? Hmm, dunno, but I felt the need to type it, I've been in a witnessing mood lately. ?I intend to take this board for Jesus, well, if not at least one person, and all you have to do is do just what the person did in the story, that might be a real scenario someday, all I can tell you is be prepared. Well, TJ will kill me for this signature, buh-byezies! :)

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