I don't hate Debra, but sometimes she could be mean!

[Aticineto]

I'm on Season 4 the "Bad Moon Rising" episode where Debra has PMS, Ray honestly tries to help by buying her somethng at the drug store. She gets all bent out of shape over it, but in all honesty, I have no idea why she reacted that way. Ray did nothing wrong - he tried to help her and she acts as if he mortally offended her. PMS is a common pproblem, and Debra denying that he had it seemed a bit odd (and out of character). Just my opinion.

Al

[Ireneparalegal]

Men! :brent

[Brian Damage]

cramps, bloating...I honestly don't see what her problem was either. ;)

[Ireneparalegal]

cramps, bloating...I honestly don't see what her problem was either. ;)
Aw Brian...I can read through that post you honestly know what women go through!!!!!! :D :D :D

Pain, cramps, bloating, headaches, water-retention, I don't want to go into details abt that time of the month, but let's just say some women have NIAGRA FALLS!!!!!!!

[Aticineto]

Actually, I was referring to her getting mad at Ray for buying her the pills as being mean - not her hormones (which she has no controll over).

[livsforluv]

I think that she over reacts about a lot of things. I would have just laughed. LOL.

[Ireneparalegal]

Actually, I was referring to her getting mad at Ray for buying her the pills as being mean - not her hormones (which she has no controll over).
Again :brent

Those pills may work for some women and some symptoms, but it does nothing for the BITCHINESS that comes when the hormones take over. Men have this idea that pills, medication can cure EVERYTHING. It doesn't. You think women want to feel bitchy, irritable and so forth? We don't, it comes with the territory...mood swings, etc. What it is, is that men are "fixers" they have been taught that men can and should fix things. So of course when a woman is not feeling good, especially that time of the month, and she is complaining or the man feels her "moodiness" then it's automatic he wants to "fix" the problem.

I recall in my first year dating my boyfriend, we went to a festival and I began not to feel good. Of course, it was that time of the month. He felt what I was going through...so when we got to his home, he had me lay down, gave me a blanket, brought me a cold cloth for my head and brought me medicine for my PAIN. He knew the moodiness comes with the territory, so he didn't even go there. His overall ATTENTION and his HUG is what meant more to me and made me feel at ease. Which is what Debra was looking for. Just a little hug and tenderness. No words, just something simple like a hug to say, I love you and I am sorry for what you are going through. PILLS DON'T DO THAT.:wave:

[Aticineto]

Again :brent

Those pills may work for some women and some symptoms, but it does nothing for the BITCHINESS that comes when the hormones take over. Men have this idea that pills, medication can cure EVERYTHING. It doesn't. You think women want to feel bitchy, irritable and so forth? We don't, it comes with the territory...mood swings, etc. What it is, is that men are "fixers" they have been taught that men can and should fix things. So of course when a woman is not feeling good, especially that time of the month, and she is complaining or the man feels her "moodiness" then it's automatic he wants to "fix" the problem.

I recall in my first year dating my boyfriend, we went to a festival and I began not to feel good. Of course, it was that time of the month. He felt what I was going through...so when we got to his home, he had me lay down, gave me a blanket, brought me a cold cloth for my head and brought me medicine for my PAIN. He knew the moodiness comes with the territory, so he didn't even go there. His overall ATTENTION and his HUG is what meant more to me and made me feel at ease. Which is what Debra was looking for. Just a little hug and tenderness. No words, just something simple like a hug to say, I love you and I am sorry for what you are going through. PILLS DON'T DO THAT.:wave:

Ray: "It's pretty hard to hug someone that's trying to kill you"

I do see the point - Ray was coming off like "here's a pill to take away your moodiness" so I guess that's what Debra was angry with - that he didn't care about anything else - just how it (her moodiness) was effecting him, and not what she was going through during "that time of the month."

I listened to the commendtary for that show on the DVD, and Patty was doing it with Ray and the series creator. She won an emmy for that episode.

[Ireneparalegal]

Ray: "It's pretty hard to hug someone that's trying to kill you"

I do see the point - Ray was coming off like "here's a pill to take away your moodiness" so I guess that's what Debra was angry with - that he didn't care about anything else - just how it (her moodiness) was effecting him, and not what she was going through during "that time of the month."

I listened to the commendtary for that show on the DVD, and Patty was doing it with Ray and the series creator. She won an emmy for that episode.
Bravo!!!!:D You got it. Ray was thinking of how her moodiness was AFFECTING HIM...not what she must be going through. Believe me, we women don't want to feel that way, but it does overtake our bodies and eventually how we feel. Debra was wanting a hug, no words, no meds, just a hug.
That episode was EXCELLENT. It clearly summed up how we feel and how some men deal with it. And then on top of that, Debra had three kids, a house, a husband and those nagging in-laws to deal with...God Bless her! I have three kids, a house, two businesses and a man to deal with...that time of the month can really be A PAIN!!! :wave:

[Ant-Lox]

I felt bad for Ray in this episode, seriously, I have some sort of emotional bond with Ray Barone that makes me feel the pain he goes through, I think I have gray hair because of this show.....

[Samme]

She's from hell and basically hates his guts.

[Yooch]

I'm surprised that Debra isn't meaner than she is. She's living in a sea of dysfunction and she's the only normal adult person in that family.

[Ireneparalegal]

I'm surprised that Debra isn't meaner than she is. She's living in a sea of dysfunction and she's the only normal adult person in that family.
:lol: :lol: :D Bravo!

[JesseElizabeth07]

Yeah, I think so too. Debra is the only person in the family to be normal and everyone is like weird or dysfunctional or something along those lines. So I think that even if it wasnt like that she still acted how any women would (or at least how I would) So i dont think its right to say mean things about Debra when any other women would of done the same (once again at least i would!)

[Hughsgirl]

She was a bitch even when it wasn't her time of the month! And she can use the excuse that she was surrounded by dysfunction all she wants, but I think she was just a natural unhappy person. Though I'm not a person to normally condone violence, I felt Ray should have smacked the crap out of her.

[Blanche&Rosefan]

She was so mean to Ray most of the time, I could not agree more with the original poster. I have been reading posts here for awhile and have not replied until now. I see I am in the minority but there are times that I cannot watch the reruns because of Debra. I cannot stand the character during the fallowing episodes/moments:

"Bad moon rising." The PMS episode as many have mentioned. I just cannot believe she pushes Ray into the stereo like that. Even though I will grant you, PMS can be bad, did she have to push her husband like that? It was as if she was going out of her mind.

I don't like the moment where she tells Ray "You have to look like someone I would be with."

Who does she think she is? Someone she would be with! Please! She is not that perfect.

I don't even care for her in the episode where Ally wants the fancy dress and Ray refuses because it's $250.00. Ray, was completely right and Debra is so pretentious.

The time the Barone's are at Marie and Frank's and it's snowing..they are all dancing and Debra makes that cocky remark to Frank. After all the times Frank told her she was like his daughter.

She tells Ray he's a bad father, makes bets about things he will do wrong (with his own children.)

She tells him she is embarrassed of him (at that school function) but in that episode, Ray really tells her off "I would never do that to you."

She takes her stress out on Ray when she loses the PR job and when he is nice enough to attempt to help her get the job back (because he thinks that's what she wants) she loses her temper with him again.

She doesn't really take his side against the mother of Ally's friend (the one who is always so rude and calls Ray "Ally's dad."

There are so many, many more. I honestly don't know if was the writers or Patricia Heaton's desire to have Debra be that way but I literally cannot stand her (Debra) in a great many episodes. I am so glad to know there are at least a few others who share my sentiment.

[Hughsgirl]

She was so mean to Ray most of the time, I could not agree more with the original poster. I have been reading posts here for awhile and have not replied until now. I see I am in the minority but there are times that I cannot watch the reruns because of Debra. I cannot stand the character during the fallowing episodes/moments:

"Bad moon rising." The PMS episode as many have mentioned. I just cannot believe she pushes Ray into the stereo like that. Even though I will grant you, PMS can be bad, did she have to push her husband like that? It was as if she was going out of her mind.

I don't like the moment where she tells Ray "You have to look like someone I would be with."

Who does she think she is? Someone she would be with! Please! She is not that perfect.

I don't even care for her in the episode where Ally wants the fancy dress and Ray refuses because it's $250.00. Ray, was completely right and Debra is so pretentious.

The time the Barone's are at Marie and Frank's and it's snowing..they are all dancing and Debra makes that cocky remark to Frank. After all the times Frank told her she was like his daughter.

She tells Ray he's a bad father, makes bets about things he will do wrong (with his own children.)

She tells him she is embarrassed of him (at that school function) but in that episode, Ray really tells her off "I would never do that to you."

She takes her stress out on Ray when she loses the PR job and when he is nice enough to attempt to help her get the job back (because he thinks that's what she wants) she loses her temper with him again.

She doesn't really take his side against the mother of Ally's friend (the one who is always so rude and calls Ray "Ally's dad."

There are so many, many more. I honestly don't know if was the writers or Patricia Heaton's desire to have Debra be that way but I literally cannot stand her (Debra) in a great many episodes. I am so glad to know there are at least a few others who share my sentiment.

Right on! I agree with everything you said.

[Yong Fang]

First point, I really like Patricia Heaton's new show "The Middle". She plays a totally different person than Debra Barone and it is a cute, funny, family show for those of you who think of Heaton as Debra and refuse to watch the show.

Patricia Heaton is also hot. She will be 54 this year and she still looks good and has a great body. Really, the lady looks 10 years younger.

Concerning ELR, my two least favorite characters were Debra and Ray. I watched the show for Robert, Frank and Marie. As a matter of fact, they could have dumped Ray and Debra altogether and revolved the show around Brad Garett and the parents, especially Peter Boyle.

I will be Debra Barone's advocate and say that she was a bitch because of the following reasons....

* The mother in law was a bitch too, who did not really like Debra in the first place and thought her son could do better. Marie would talk bad about Debra's housekeeping, cooking and how Debra raised the kids. Very passive aggressive. Marie loved Amy a lot more than Debra and this was shown in the series.

* Debra did not start out this way, she became this way when she married into the family and living across the street from the parents.

* Ray Barone was a good guy and father, but he was a lazy git who did very little in the way of cleaning the house, or taking some of the heavy lifting away from Debra concerning the children. When he was home from work, he usually sat on his ass watching sports on TV or out hitting golf balls. Ray would defend himself that he was the breadwinner and that he should be able to relax at home, like his father who undoubtably did the same thing.

[OH Nuts!]

Debra can be a little b**chy at times, but I cut her some slack. Why? Look at how Marie is always insulting Debra--implying Debra is a lousy housekeeper and can't fed her kids. Both untrue. Not to digress, but the real reason Marie snipes at Debra is because Debra threatens her. This being said though, Debra could reign in the pissiness a bit.

BUT ALSO, let's not forget about Debra 's good points. She is strong and stands up for her man - like with Peggy in the cookie selling episode. And she's kick ass smart too. Like the way she puts out that kitchen fire.

Let's face it, Ray can be exasperating. He's on the lazy side when it comes to chores and can be alittle whiny - lol - sometimes it like Debra has four kids...

[Tap Dancer]

Debra can be a little b**chy at times, but I cut her some slack. Why? Look at how Marie is always insulting Debra--implying Debra is a lousy housekeeper and can't fed her kids. Both untrue. Not to digress, but the real reason Marie snipes at Debra is because Debra threatens her. This being said though, Debra could reign in the pissiness a bit.

BUT ALSO, let's not forget about Debra 's good points. She is strong and stands up for her man - like with Peggy in the cookie selling episode. And she's kick ass smart too. Like the way she puts out that kitchen fire.

Let's face it, Ray can be exasperating. He's on the lazy side when it comes to chores and can be alittle whiny - lol - sometimes it like Debra has four kids...

:yeahthat

[Hughsgirl]

I would like to add that I also watch the show because of Robert, Frank and Marie. Yes, Marie can be a bitch, but she's a hoot when she is. And, I will agree that Ray sucks as a father because he don't want to be bothered by them at all and I think that stinks. BUT, on the issue of the housekeeping...bare in mind I'm a woman and I work full time so I see Debra at home all day, that is her job. Yes, I know the kids can be a handful, but when they started going to school all day, what was her excuse really?
And the one time she insisted on having that PR job, she couldn't take authority because she's such a bossy, argumentive peace of work and gets canned and somehow that was Ray's fault too. That's another thing that upset me, nothing was ever HER fault! The biggest thing that bugged me about Ray was that he was a complete wuse! Like that time when he got her to agree to be on time and she just had to take that last two minutes to fix her hair and she go mad because he left her? thn he comes home with his tail between his legs, shaking. PLEASE! Sorry for the rant, but i feel much better now.:D