JFK Assassanation

[SpecialEd]

Did UM ever do a segment on the JFK Assassanation?

[Kane]

Did UM ever do a segment on the JFK Assassanation?

No, they never did.

[justins5256]

Did UM ever do a segment on the JFK Assassanation?

I doubt it. The JFk assassination is so incredibly complex that I doubt UM could do it justice in a 20-30 minute segment. Hell, most hour long documentaries on the subject just barely scratch the surface.

[Kane]

The JFk assassination is so incredibly complex that I doubt UM could do it justice in a 20-30 minute segment. Hell, most hour long documentaries on the subject just barely scratch the surface.

I agree. The case would have been too complex for UM (and maybe too controversial).

[kadrmas15]

Too long yes but I dont think it is too controversial. UM did a pretty lengthy segment on James Earl Ray and whether or not he acted alone in the Martin Luther King Jr shooting or even if he was actually the person that shot King. Didnt UM do a segment on Robert Kennedy and his assassination? I dont know if they did or not but I have always doubted that Sirhan Sirhan acted alone in that one, and I am not even sure that Sirhan was the one whose bullets actually hit him. Supposedly Sirhan was shooting at Kennedy from the front and he did fire a gun but all his bullets missed. There is a conspiracy theory that an unknown person shot Kennedy from behind while Sirhan shot at the same time but from the front.

[Kane]

Too long yes but I dont think it is too controversial.[QUOTE]

Well, it was only a "maybe". Indeed, UM profiled its share of controversial cases. But I was only considering the idea of whether the JFK case could have been to controversial even for UM. I probably should have said "maybe, maybe not."

[QUOTE]Didnt UM do a segment on Robert Kennedy and his assassination?

Yes, in 1990.

[kadrmas15]

Kane, sorry you dont have to apologize. I didnt mean to sound the way I did, I kind of sounded like I was being a jerk to you and that wasnt my intent. Sometimes it is hard to tell peoples emotions on here so if I came off as a jerk to you I apologize that wasnt my intent.

[Kane]

Kane, sorry you dont have to apologize. I didnt mean to sound the way I did, I kind of sounded like I was being a jerk to you and that wasnt my intent. Sometimes it is hard to tell peoples emotions on here so if I came off as a jerk to you I apologize that wasnt my intent.

I don't think you came across that way. I didn't see anything in the content of your previous post that suggested to me that you were being "a jerk."

Indeed, determining someone's emotions in writing or typing is often difficult. Besides, it's not what you say, but how you say it.

[wiseguy182]

Too long yes but I dont think it is too controversial. UM did a pretty lengthy segment on James Earl Ray and whether or not he acted alone in the Martin Luther King Jr shooting or even if he was actually the person that shot King. Didnt UM do a segment on Robert Kennedy and his assassination? I dont know if they did or not but I have always doubted that Sirhan Sirhan acted alone in that one, and I am not even sure that Sirhan was the one whose bullets actually hit him. Supposedly Sirhan was shooting at Kennedy from the front and he did fire a gun but all his bullets missed. There is a conspiracy theory that an unknown person shot Kennedy from behind while Sirhan shot at the same time but from the front.

Yep, Unsolved did do a segment on the assassination of RFK, it is on the Strange Legends set.

Sorry for the delay in response, just got finished with finals.

[crystaldawn]

Actually UM did two segments concerning RFK's assassination. The one detailing the actual shooting and the second about Scott Inyart who claims he had taken pictures of the actual shooting but they were confiscated and never returned to him. If memory serves me I believe he even sued and won a substantial judgment.

[skunk ape]

As for JFK, it was Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository with a bolt-action rifle. Don't be duped by Oliver Stone's portrayal of the case.

[Blackhawks2004]

As for JFK, it was Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository with a bolt-action rifle. Don't be duped by Oliver Stone's portrayal of the case.

There may be some things in Stone's movie that may not be true, but I have to disagree with the "official" story (Oswald). My father was a sniper in the Marines, and about two years ago, he decided to go to Dallas to have a look for himself at the scene. From what he tells me, it would be close to impossible for Oswald to hit Kennedy the way he did from the depository, especially with the type of gun he used.

[skunk ape]

Taken from Oswald's Wikipedia page:
During his Marine Corps service in December 1956 Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle). Although in May 1959 he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification) military experts examining his records characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males his age, "an excellent shot."[28]

Skeptics have argued that expert marksmen could not duplicate Oswald's alleged feat in their first try during reenactments by the Warren Commission (1964) and CBS (1967). In those tests the marksmen were attempting to hit the target at least two out of three times within 5.6 seconds; however, the use of this time span has been heavily disputed and modern analysis of a digitally enhanced Zapruder film has suggested the first and final shots may have come as much as 8.4 seconds apart. Moreover, one of CBS's 11 volunteer marksmen, who (unlike Oswald) had no prior experience with a Mannlicher-Carcano, was able to hit the test target three times in well under the time allotted, and several of the sharpshooters hit the target twice.

The link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_harvey_oswald

So did your Marine sniper father test the 5.6 seconds or the 8.4 seconds theory?

[WatchYourLips]

Taken from Oswald's Wikipedia page:
During his Marine Corps service in December 1956 Oswald scored a rating of sharpshooter (twice achieving 48 and 49 out of 50 shots during rapid fire at a stationary target 200 yards [183 m] away using a standard issue M1 Garand semiautomatic rifle). Although in May 1959 he qualified as a marksman (a lower classification) military experts examining his records characterized his firearms proficiency as "above average" and was, when compared to American civilian males his age, "an excellent shot."[28]

Skeptics have argued that expert marksmen could not duplicate Oswald's alleged feat in their first try during reenactments by the Warren Commission (1964) and CBS (1967). In those tests the marksmen were attempting to hit the target at least two out of three times within 5.6 seconds; however, the use of this time span has been heavily disputed and modern analysis of a digitally enhanced Zapruder film has suggested the first and final shots may have come as much as 8.4 seconds apart. Moreover, one of CBS's 11 volunteer marksmen, who (unlike Oswald) had no prior experience with a Mannlicher-Carcano, was able to hit the test target three times in well under the time allotted, and several of the sharpshooters hit the target twice.

The link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_harvey_oswald

So did your Marine sniper father test the 5.6 seconds or the 8.4 seconds theory?


Did they hit their targets from three different directions?

I:crazy: :eek:

[MR. MOTTO]

the original one.

Has any one ever wondered why John John looked more like his stepfather and stepbrother than anyone else in the clan?
I doubt it.

oops, is the dbcooper.tk website in trouble again?

[Awsi Dooger]

As for JFK, it was Lee Harvey Oswald in the book depository with a bolt-action rifle. Don't be duped by Oliver Stone's portrayal of the case.

Thank you, skunk ape. That case is a mystery only if you're desperate enough to twist it into one, ignoring all evidence and all logic. Kudos to UM for never pretending it was anything other than a lone nutcase. Once in a while the guy standing over the body with the gun in his hand is actually the guilty party. Although that's never the case on internet message boards.

I've been to that location. It's much smaller than it appears on TV or the clips. Oswald had plenty of time especially since his first shot, the one that missed completely, came earlier than originally estimated.

Read Gerald Posner's book. And go to the sites that legitimately look at the case, showing the angle Oswald would have had for each shot. The distance was not that great and for the second and third shot it was almost like duck hunting. The tree may have deflected the first shot, which Oswald took prematurely before the angle was ideal.

The magic bullet lined up perfectly, once you understand where Connally was seated in relation to Kennedy. It was not the same distance from the door. Connally was more toward the center of the car than Kennedy.

And as far as the conspiracy, remarkable that Oswald got the job at the book depository before Kennedy's trip to Dallas was announced and before that specific motorcade route was chosen. Anyone setting him up in that building must have been clairvoyant.

Oswald simply got lucky. He was a radical who took a pot shot through an open window and missed General Walker many months before he killed Kennedy.

Once again, the simplest explanation is normally the correct one. The conspiracy theorists hysterically want to add one wild variable after another and pretend it makes their claim more likely to be true, not less likely.

Forgetting everything else, just look at the second gunman aspect and you can see how absurd it is. Different shooters, one at ground level and another from the 5th floor. You know how difficult that is to coordinate? There was no evidence Oswald had a walkie talkie or any other type of communication device. What if one starts shooting 5 or 10 seconds before the other is ready? That foils the plot right there. Besides, pretend all you want, but if there were two shooters from radically different angles there would have been evidence of it. Actual evidence, like everything Oswald left at the scene. People who saw him arrive, similar to Oswald coming to work with his curtain rods. Not blurry shadows in the dark with people desperately and comically trying to invent the image of a person decades later.

You couldn't fool half or more of the people on the scene into believing there was only one shooter, if indeed there had been two, or more. What if shots came at the same time, from each angle? Bang Bang. Amazing that didn't happen, in such a short time frame, a matter of seconds for all the shots to be completed. The reason it didn't happen was somewhat basic; one assassin and acting alone.

My favorite of all are the claims Kennedy's body was manipulated on the plane back to Washington, to conceal the direction the bullet wounds came from. Are those guys that good? They have everything covered like that? Something as wildly incredibly unpredictable as gun shots but they know just what will happen? "Let's see, we'll hit him from the front but no one will have us on film or via still camera. None of our stray shots will zoom beyond Kennedy and go past him into the crowd in a direction only shots from our area could have traveled. The idiots in the crowd will believe there was only the guy from the building, the patsy. His shots will be so incompetent there might be one neck would or something, one we can basically ignore. Maybe we'll have him run away and kill a cop, something to make it look good. Then all we have to do is doctor the head wound and presto, it's like we were never there!"

[skunk ape]

Damn, you made all of the points that I was going to make for me, Awsi Dooger (What is an Awsi Dooger, by the way?). You just saved me some time compiling a post and typing it to get under the skin of the conspiracy theorists. Thanks. :D

[MR. MOTTO]

has anyone wondered why John John looked more like his stepfather than anyone else in the clan?
I doubt it.
take another look.
oops is the dbcooper.tk website in trouble again?

[greatgarrett2]

UM probably could've pulled a JFK-Conspiracy or acted alone segment off.....You may recall the Son of Sam segment was a great one and fairly lengthy and presented some evidence that Berkowitz may or may not have acted alone.

UM could've done it......maybe centered around Lee Harvey Oswald and the domino effect on how people kept dying.....first, of course, JFK, then his alleged assassin, then Jack Ruby. Definately something going on there as weather Oswald acted alone or not.

That could've made a good enough segment.

[UMLongtimefan]

Stone's JFK movie is highly entertaining. Unfortunately it is just entertainment. I believe Gerald Posner's(?) book and Peter Jennings special a few years ago pretty much shut the door closed on this case.

[SpecialEd]

I'm not sure if there was a conspiracy or not but I think there are enough raised quations that it could have been an excellent Um segment...perehaps even a whole show. There are too many weird evets sounding JRK, RFK, and MLK to be coincidence.


And yeah, that guy who took photos of RFK being shot won his case but when the photos were on the way to bnbeing returned the delivery guy was robbed or maybe even murdered. Coincidence? Hmmm....

[MsCooper]

Remember Dorthy Killgallen the journalist supposedly died of an overdose after interviewing Jack Ruby and her files from the interview were never found. She was in a chair fully clothed which was not the norm for her. Those who knew her did not know her to use drugs...

Also the snitch prositute who came up dead...don't remember the details on that.

[MsCooper]

Dorothy discovered that Ruby and the slain Officer J.D. Tippit had been friends and were together in Ruby's Club at a meeting 2 weeks before the assassination with Bernard Weissman, who had put a JFK-Wanted ad in a Dallas newspapers in 1963. There was 4th man there - supposedly a rich Texas Oil man --- could we try a name like Rapport (never mind were this name comes from).

During that visit she stumbled onto some information and told others that she had discovered something. She referred to an man she called the Ferret man. This man was a friend of Jack Ruby's. Mob mongel Marcello and other Alpha 88 and coverts from Florida to Texas.

She was very secretive and scared - hiding something she was afraid of as some of us have done for yrs and later was dead of an overdose. Her files were gone. Her interview and the files were swept under a rug just like many things have been. Those who knew her know she did not OD.

[MsCooper]

A friend of mine was quick to point out that Dorthy was sitting up in her bed and there was a book in her lap - but according to friends it was a book she had already read. Also her reading glasses where in the other room????

What is a ferret? Who was the ferret? Was he someone working both sides??
Does anyone out there know who the Ferret man was --- in so far as I know not one sole knows except the men at that table and they aren't talking - rather difficult to communicate from the here-after.

Did Dorthy know the Ferret Man - is that why she did not identify him????
A woman would not lie on her bed fully cloth sitting up...to commit suicide unless it was a special outfit and this was not a special outfit. She was not depressed. She did not use drugs. This was not typical of her.

She liked her papers delivered to her door in the morning and evening.

[MsCooper]

The 60's and 70's - the crime element that helped to implement all of this has given way to even more violence due to the drugs that the MAFIA and other groups peddled in this country.

These groups opened the highway and now we are flooded with chaos and death - the drug dealers are now controling the streets and it is no longer safe to sleep with an open window or enjoy a family outing in the backyard in some neighborhoods.

You can start with the Kennedy Assasination progressing to our current problems and even the MAFIA has fallen prey to the New Mafia GangStyle.
This has become a terrifying place to live and yet we are safer than other countries. I fear what future generations will be facing in the aftermath of the 60's and 70's.

[MsCooper]

There was so much leading up to the day that Kennedy died. How much of the history of the 60's regarding Cuba and the Mafia can anyone tell me about that we might not find in a text in the library? Does anyone have a clue what the Alpha 88 was and were they trained and who formed them and what they were really all about. Believe me there is nothing in the libraries to be found and little on the WEB.

I truly believe that if todays generation knew some of the things that the older generation has been thru that they might take the occurrences regarding cover-up and covert group a little more seriously. These are groups of individuals who actually change the course of politics...with all of its wealth and power behind it...the little man with no money doesn't have a chance to win an election today.

[justins5256]

Was a post deleted from this thread? This thread was on page one yesterday and now it seems to have disappeared. Here are some of my thoughts on the assassination of President Kennedy.

Before we look at the conspiracy angle, there are a few things I think you should know about the life and personality of Lee Harvey Oswald. Ever since he was a teenager, Oswald had an interest in political and social issues. He joined the US marine corp. in his late teens where he studied and mastered the Russian language in his spare time. Most would say Oswald’s overall performance in the corp. was lackluster at best. After a court martial, and other negative experiences in the corp., Oswald obtained an early discharge, declared himself a Marxist, and defected to the Soviet Union. Oswald expected the Soviets would greet him with open arms for giving up his life in the “free world”. Instead Soviet officials were shocked by Oswald’s willingness to defect and told him that he could not remain in their country for any extended period of time. Oswald was crushed by the rebuff and attempted to commit suicide by slashing his wrists. In 1962, Oswald returned to the United States with his Russian wife, Marina, and their newborn. Rejected by one communist country, Oswald turned his attention to Cuban affairs, and the dictator Fidel Castro, whom he admired. His fascination with Cuban politics eventually led to an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate retired Major General Edwin Walker. Walker was a well-known and vocal anti-Castro activist who just happened to live in Dallas. Oswald staked out Walkers home, and his surveillance culminated one night when he fired a single shot at Walker, ironically with the same rifle he would use to kill Kennedy. The bullet shattered a window and narrowly missed Walker. Although his attempt on Walker’s life had failed, Oswald preserved evidence of his crime in the hope that he could some day use it to the gain the respect of Cuban leaders. Marina was not pleased with Oswald’s activities and told him to move out. Oswald set his sites on New Orleans, and eventually succeeded in opening a local chapter of the “Fair Play for Cuba Committee”, leaving Marina and the children behind in Dallas. He was arrested at least twice when fights broke out during his otherwise peaceful demonstrations on a New Orleans street corner. During this time, there is some evidence that suggests Oswald attempted to play both sides of the Cuba issue. He tried on numerous occasions to infiltrate local anti-Castro organizations, presumably so he could spy on their activities. It is easy to see how conspiracy theories are born here, as Oswald’s activities brought him into contact with all sorts of shady characters on both sides of the Castro/Cuba issue. Both sides hated President Kennedy immensely. Pro-Castro groups disliked Kennedy’s invasion of Cuba during the Bay of Pigs. Anti-Castro groups felt Kennedy did too little in Bay of Pigs and blamed him for the operation’s failure. Politics aside, Oswald did manage to reconcile his differences with Marina, and he visited his family briefly in Dallas while en-route to Mexico City. It was Oswald’s hope that he could obtain a travel visa that would allow him to go to Cuba. Oswald’s request was ultimately rejected. Cuban officials with whom Oswald spoke to that day remember his reaction to the rejection. At least one claimed that he made a threatening remark about JFK. When Oswald returned to Dallas, Marina informed him that an FBI agent, James Hosty, had interviewed her. The FBI apparently considered Oswald a “person of interest” after he defected, and they wanted to know why he was now attempting to get a travel visa to Cuba. Oswald was enraged. Throughout his life, Oswald had the delusion that the FBI was watching him. He even went so far as to use different aliases to avoid detection. Prior to the attack on Walker’s life, Oswald had lost a very god job, and he thought the FBI was responsible. The fact that he wife had been interrogated further fueled these delusions. Oswald responded in kind by visiting Hosty’s office, and leaving him a threatening letter. In the letter, which has since been destroyed, Oswald allegedly threatened to blow up the Dallas Police Department, and the FBI office if Hosty didn’t leave his wife alone. This incident occurred in early October of ’63, a little over a month before President Kennedy was killed. In the weeks preceding the assassination, Oswald and his wife had another falling out. At this point in time, Oswald was living in another part of town, closer to work, but away from his family. He visited them every weekend. After this last argument, it seemed as though Marina was considering cutting him off for good. Thursday November 21st was the last day the couple would spend together. Oswald tested Marina by suggesting that he may not come to visit Thanksgiving weekend. Marina did not object, much to his dismay. Oswald awoke the following morning and prepared for work. He left behind all the money he had - $170 in cash, his wedding ring, and he told Marina, who was half asleep, to use the money to buy whatever she and the kids needed. At 12:30 that afternoon, shots were fired at President Kennedy’s motorcade.

Those are the highlights of Oswald’s complex history, as much as I could condense it. Based on these facts, I think a conspiracy is unlikely for four reasons.

First, the attack on Kennedy was virtually a carbon copy of the attack on General Walker, and the police found no evidence that Oswald had assistance in planning the Walker attempt.

Second, I find it incredible that Oswald would be making threats to an FBI official just weeks before the assassination if he were an integral part of a conspiracy. If a conspiracy existed, Oswald would have blown it had Hosty followed up and investigated the threat.

Third, the fact that Oswald so desperately wanted to be with his family on Thanksgiving weekend suggests he didn’t have a clear plan involving others. In my mind, Oswald wanted to be with his family more than he wanted to kill Kennedy. Had Marina not shunned him, he probably wouldn’t have gone through with it.

Finally, Oswald’s behavior and activity on the morning of the assassination suggests he was not thinking rationally. His comments, in my mind, come across as “I’m not important, don’t worry about me. Take the money and buy what YOU want. I’ll show you…” I believe his motives were a lot more personal than political. Not to say that his plan to shoot JFK was a spur of the moment idea. Rather I think Oswald had been planning to do it as a last resort. In this case, his final attempt to reconcile his differences with Marina failed. In his mind, there was nothing else to do except lash out in retaliation.

Oswald would accomplish many things by killing JFK. He would earn the respect and admiration of the Cubans, he would humiliate the FBI, and he would leave his wife with a feeling of guilt that will linger with her for the rest of her life. While I don’t believe Oswald was hell-bent on killing JFK, the coming together of all of these events in Oswald’s world just happened to coincide with Kennedy’s trip to Dallas and culminated when Oswald lashed out in a way that would have disastrous consequences.

The only hardcore evidence of a second shooter was found in audio recordings made by the Dallas Police Department. On November 22nd, the microphone on a motorcycle officer’s two-way radio became jammed in the “on” position for about five minutes. The DPD routinely tape-recorded all radio traffic over the police channels. So, sound was being recorded the entire time the officer’s microphone was stuck open. This tape recording was largely ignored until the mid-seventies when Congress re-investigated Kennedy’s death. Scientific analysis of the tape indicated that no fewer than four shots were fired during the assassination. It was further claimed that the third, and fatal shot was fired from the grassy knoll, while the others appeared to come from the Texas School Book Depository. However, these findings have been hotly contested, with the possibility of a new audio analysis in the near future. First off, the quality of the recording is very poor. The spot where the “shots” were found consists of a lot of static, tape hiss, and the overpowering sound of the officer’s motorcycle engine. Also, the DPD’s dictabelt taping system was not designed for quality performance, and we are talking about 1963 technology. Second, I don’t think they were ever able to establish exactly where the motorcycle officer was when these sounds were recorded. They also couldn’t establish a time frame either. To paraphrase one Kennedy biographer and conspiracy skeptic: “Congress wasted tax player dollars examining a tape recording of sounds picked up miles away and ten minutes too late”. I would be surprised if anything of value is ever found in the dictabelt recordings

[crystaldawn]

Was a post deleted from this thread? This thread was on page one yesterday and now it seems to have disappeared.

Yes because it had links to YouTube.

[kane7474]

Im sure the CIA is overjoyed when hearing people say that Oswald worked alone and there was no conspiracy involved. Kennedy ran afoul of this agency not only over the bay of pigs but also with Vietnam. We all also understand about how the mafia wanted him gone for turning his back on them. It wasn't until Kennedy disolved the Federal Reserve that the death warrant was issued. Check into the facts here, after Kennedy was gone, Johnson re established the Federal Reserve system, escalated Vietnam into a full blown war and backed off of the Mafia. The CIA has been programming assasains for many years now, sound crazy to you? Thats exactly what they want you to think. Did you know that Mark David Chapman, John Hinkley Jr. and the leaders of the Jonestown cult were are part of the World vision church, which has been rumored for years to be controlled by CIA interest? We know the CIA used mind control expirements in the 50s using LSD. That didnt work so well so thats all you hear about. Do you really think they just gave up there? Thats what they'd like you to think. The successful mind control expirements that allow them to program an assasain have never been made public nor will they ever. Anytime someone like me brings this to light most of the general public will re-act just how they are expected to. By using words like wakko, conspiricy theory nut jub etc etc. Think about it and dig in, forget what you think you know if you want to get to the raw truth of anything.

[justins5256]

Ever notice how it's always the CIA?

[kane7474]

Ever notice how it's always the CIA?
When it comes to taking out high profile targets and making it look like the work of a lone crazed killer who else would pull the strings? JFK, RFK, Martin Luther King,George Wallace, John Lennon, Ronald Reagan, all had the same story to their deaths or attempted deaths. Crazed maniac shoots and kills for whatever reason, lots of cover ups and unanswered questions left.

[clj124]

One point I have always made about the JFK conspiracy is that the amount of people that Oliver Stone claimed to be involved with this case would have had to have a huge convention in order to plan this.

[justins5256]

Kane7474,

If you get a chance, you should really read "American Assassins: The Darker Side of Politics" by Dr. James Clarke. The book is a compilation of psychological profiles of a handful of famous assassins. I checked my copy for you, and Oswald, Sirhan, Bremer and James Earl Ray are included among others. There is no mention of Hinckley, but I see that Clarke has written another book called "John Hinckley Jr. and other Dangerous People" so that may be of some interest. Unlike other books, this book does not get into the mechanics of each assassination or assassination attempt. As I said, it gives in depth psychological profiles of the assassins, and even has excerpts from their diaries. Arthur Bremer's was particularly memorable. Once you read about these men's lives and backgrounds, I think you'll reach a similar conclusion that I did: these guys really were "lone nuts" and not the products of conspiracy.

The problem with conspiracy theories in general is that they rely heavily on scattered, often provable, facts. Yet, there is a larger underlying idea that ties these facts together, and that concept is NOT provable, but is, in fact, difficult to disprove. I don't mean this to sound insulting, but you really should consider going to a community college and taking "criminology 101" or a basic introductory criminal justice course. You may even be able to audit the course which means that you won't have to take exams or have it count for any credit. The reason I'm suggesting this is because I think you'll learn that even simple conspiracies are difficult to pull off.

Then step back and look at the enormous conspiracy theory that you and others are perpetuating, and ask yourself "does this make sense?"

I'm saying all this because I once was where you are. But, there comes a point when you just have to step back, assess the facts, set aside internet rumor and realize that the simple explanation may in fact be the correct one.

[kane7474]

Kane7474,

If you get a chance, you should really read "American Assassins: The Darker Side of Politics" by Dr. James Clarke. The book is a compilation of psychological profiles of a handful of famous assassins. I checked my copy for you, and Oswald, Sirhan, Bremer and James Earl Ray are included among others. There is no mention of Hinckley, but I see that Clarke has written another book called "John Hinckley Jr. and other Dangerous People" so that may be of some interest. Unlike other books, this book does not get into the mechanics of each assassination or assassination attempt. As I said, it gives in depth psychological profiles of the assassins, and even has excerpts from their diaries. Arthur Bremer's was particularly memorable. Once you read about these men's lives and backgrounds, I think you'll reach a similar conclusion that I did: these guys really were "lone nuts" and not the products of conspiracy.

The problem with conspiracy theories in general is that they rely heavily on scattered, often provable, facts. Yet, there is a larger underlying idea that ties these facts together, and that concept is NOT provable, but is, in fact, difficult to disprove. I don't mean this to sound insulting, but you really should consider going to a community college and taking "criminology 101" or a basic introductory criminal justice course. You may even be able to audit the course which means that you won't have to take exams or have it count for any credit. The reason I'm suggesting this is because I think you'll learn that even simple conspiracies are difficult to pull off.

Then step back and look at the enormous conspiracy theory that you and others are perpetuating, and ask yourself "does this make sense?"

I'm saying all this because I once was where you are. But, there comes a point when you just have to step back, assess the facts, set aside internet rumor and realize that the simple explanation may in fact be the correct one.
Allright so your saying all of these people were "lone nuts" right? There were no conspiracys by government agencies? If Im reading you correctly you seem to think that certain people are just crazed enough to pick a high profile target and take them out right? If your theory is true then please explain why assasinations in this country have stopped? Was there just one wave of insane assasains born with this predisposition to murder politicians and other high profile people? As I see it the assasination era of this country started with JFK and ended with Reagan. So what happened to the Oswald types, the Sirhans, the hinkley or Earl Ray people? Do you beileve that after the 1960s people were no longer born with the high profile killer gene, or is it possible that now with the media under government control we no longer need to kill someone to take them out. It's much easier nowadays to destroy someone publicly without having to off them. Is it also possible that with all the rumours and leaks about the CIA and FBI plotting to assasinate people they can no longer afford the risk of carrying out such actions? When it comes to JFK maybe you should study the life of Julius Ceaser, there are many comparisons to be made, one of which being there were plenty of people involved and no one was brought to justice.

[Huskerz85]

A BBC Newsnight special, highlighting the Assassination of JFK's brother, RFK, features an interview w/an aquaintance (ex lawyer) of former CIA operative David Morales........this aquantance has quoted Morales (not sure if I got his name right) as saying "I was in Dallas when we got that mother------ and I was in Los Angeles when got the little bas****"

The Newsnight special goes on to say Morales and 2-3 other operatives were absolutely incensed at the Kennedy's for withdrawing air support during the Bay of Pigs invasion and that this was the driving reason behind their intense hatred for JFK/RFK

[kane7474]

Here's something new for all of you complicent kool aid drinkers that that beleive Oswald acted alone. E Howard Hunt made a tape on his death bed where he basically reveals all of the details behind the assasination of JFK. As most of us already new many high level government and military people were involved. The tapes are airing on certain radio shows now and I will post a transcipt as soon as I have one.

[Awsi Dooger]

Here's something new for all of you complicent kool aid drinkers that that beleive Oswald acted alone. E Howard Hunt made a tape on his death bed where he basically reveals all of the details behind the assasination of JFK. As most of us already new many high level government and military people were involved. The tapes are airing on certain radio shows now and I will post a transcipt as soon as I have one.

Ha! I missed this gem while on my trip.

Now there's a reliable source, convicted Watergate felon E. Howard Hunt. How many years did he spend in jail again?

And here we are again with the improper use of words. Hunt didn't reveal or admit anything. He made ridiculous CLAIMS. I just read them and they are predictably non-specific and flimsy. He naturally wants to shoot for the other party so he identifies Lyndon Johnson as the source of the plot to kill JFK. How hard am I allowed to laugh? The old I'm-desperate-to-be-president-so-I'll-knock-off-the-boss routine. :lol:

Sure. The boss whose brother just happens to be attorney general. And I'll make sure it's done in my home state. Might as well put a black mark on Dallas, Texas forever. And he gets the grassy knoll in there, with a French gunman pulling the trigger. :lol: This is great stuff. There's also a part where one of the principals is willing to go along because JFK had an affair with his wife and therefore his life is basically over and he's willing to kill JFK. Let's sneak in all the stereotypes and sub plots.

Did I mention that Hunt wrote novels in his post-Watergate pathetic life? :lol:

Let's see, Oswald can be traced to buying the specific rifle. He took the job at the Book Depository before JFK's trip was planned or the route known. He took a pot shot through the window at General Walker in an attempted assassination with the same rifle. He was a marksman in the military. He brought a suspicious package he called curtain rods to work that day. He fled the building immediately and killed officer Tippett. He hid in the theater before being captured.

Nope. Nothing there. Obviously we're supposed to believe the latest wacko instead, in a desperate attempt to earn posthumous publicity for his sorry criminal life.

No thank you. I have multiple functioning brain cells.

[kane7474]

Ha! I missed this gem while on my trip.

Now there's a reliable source, convicted Watergate felon E. Howard Hunt. How many years did he spend in jail again?

And here we are again with the improper use of words. Hunt didn't reveal or admit anything. He made ridiculous CLAIMS. I just read them and they are predictably non-specific and flimsy. He naturally wants to shoot for the other party so he identifies Lyndon Johnson as the source of the plot to kill JFK. How hard am I allowed to laugh? The old I'm-desperate-to-be-president-so-I'll-knock-off-the-boss routine. :lol:

Sure. The boss whose brother just happens to be attorney general. And I'll make sure it's done in my home state. Might as well put a black mark on Dallas, Texas forever. And he gets the grassy knoll in there, with a French gunman pulling the trigger. :lol: This is great stuff. There's also a part where one of the principals is willing to go along because JFK had an affair with his wife and therefore his life is basically over and he's willing to kill JFK. Let's sneak in all the stereotypes and sub plots.

Did I mention that Hunt wrote novels in his post-Watergate pathetic life? :lol:

Let's see, Oswald can be traced to buying the specific rifle. He took the job at the Book Depository before JFK's trip was planned or the route known. He took a pot shot through the window at General Walker in an attempted assassination with the same rifle. He was a marksman in the military. He brought a suspicious package he called curtain rods to work that day. He fled the building immediately and killed officer Tippett. He hid in the theater before being captured.

Nope. Nothing there. Obviously we're supposed to believe the latest wacko instead, in a desperate attempt to earn posthumous publicity for his sorry criminal life.

No thank you. I have multiple functioning brain cells.
Did you miss the part where he said that Oswald was indeed involved? You also seem to leave off in your timeline of events that Oswald was murdered. Can you explain that? Why did someone want to keep him silent? Howard Hunt made these tapes when he was near death and had nothing to gain by them. You say he was trying to blame the other party but forget that he also implicated himself.

[TracyLynnS]

(Robert Kennedy / Sirhan Sirhan)

Regarding RFK's assassination, I ran across this article today. It's from 3/1/2011, so Kennedy followers may already be aware of it, but it's news to me.

Sirhan Sirhan's lawyer planned to present new evidence at the parole board hearing scheduled for 3/14/2011, suggesting that Sirhan did not act alone, was potentially brain washed and cannot remember anything about the assassination.

The lawyer states, "There is no question he was hypno-programmed. He was set up. He was used. He was manipulated." He said that he believes Sirhan was brainwashed to kill Kennedy and then his memories were deliberately erased via the hypno-programming procedure. :eek: also :confused: and :rolleyes: with a bit of this :cuckoo: .

Cyril Wecht even weighs in with his opinion that it's scientifically plausible to hypnotize someone and induce them to murder. He just doesn't know if there was enough evidence to suggest that in Sirhan's case.

The article explains that parole hearings are typically not the platform to introduce new evidence, or retry a case. Boards typically want to hear convicts express remorse for their crimes, not deny remembering them.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robert-kennedys-killer-sirhan-sirhan-brainwashed/story?id=13029050#.TswFBWPTppw