ok im "lost" sum1 please help me

[Lexx82]

nowwww lemme get this str8....when i got the 39 episodes honeymooners collection a few years ago when it first came out i figured WOW i got EVERY single honeymooners episode then thought "damn its only 39" ??? why a show of this magnitude ONLY had 39 episodes.....thennn i started seeing these "lost episodes" on dvd;s...so i thought to myself naaahh they just named it "lost" but they were on the 39 episodes collection but thier not...right?....like these "lost episodes" are NOT a part of the honeymonners 39 collection??????.....so sum1 explain to me....i am a BIG honeymooners fan...should i get these box sets of "lost episodes"???? why werent they on the honeymooners collection dvd???? and why cant they sell the complete lost episodes on dvd's instead of selling volumes or they do have the whole complete lost episodes set???.......but WHY when i read about the honeymooners they only say as much as the show was so popular ONLY 39 episodes existed but then im reading something about episodes b4 1955 which are considered a part of "lost" and the jackie gleason show what was that about? mannn im LOST!!!! some1 explain to me pleeeeeeease

[Woolworth27]

You need to do your homework to be a true Honeymooners fan. Read Love, Alice my life as a honeymooner, this is Audrey Meadows autobography.

[Lexx82]

oooo THANK YOU!! i went to coconuts today looking for the lost box sets to buy but couldnt find any...soo u know for a fact thier gonna re release the lost box sets? i was just worried that a few of the episodes from the 39 would appear on the "lost" episodes u know how they like to trick people
soo ok i guess i should wait but if i see one for a low price..used or not i may just have to pick it up

[Woolworth27]

They sale the lost episodes at Tower Records.

[treky]

Here's the entire story of "THE HONEYMOONERS":

In September of 1951, Jackie Gleason became the host of a variety series on Dumont (a 4th network that went belly up in the 50s) that was called "THE CALVACADE OF STARS". In October of that year, he started a sketch called "The Honeymooners" centering around a married couple, Ralph and Alice Kramden, played by himself and Pert Kelton, who was a regular on the show. Art Carney, another regular, also appeared in that first sketch, but not as Ed Norton. He played a cop. Ed and Trixie first appeared a few sketches later, and that was the first and only time Elaine Stritch played Trixie. Then, after the first season, the show was such a hit, CBS made Jackie an offer to move it to their network, and he took them up on it. (he was in charge of the whole thing) But, Pert Kelton was forced to leave as Alice. I've heard that she was blacklisted, and that she had a heat attack, and her doctor told her not to work. Whatever, that's when Audrey Meadows replaced her. Then, CBS renamed it "The Jackie Gleason show". It continued to be a success, and, in 1955, they made "The Honeymooners" a seperate series. These 39 episodes, which were put on film, are the "classic 39". (while it ran, they weren't doing "The Honeymooners" on "The Jackie Gleason show").
The series only lasted one season, because the shows sponsor, Buick, canncelled it. (back then, sponsors had a lot of say into the fate of a show). So, they went back to doing it as a sketch on "The Jackie Gleason show" until 1958, when it went off.

Then, in the early 60s, Jackie revived it, but without "The Honeymooners". Then, he found out that reruns of the series were doing well, and he realized that some people had never seen "The Honeymooners", so he decided to revise it. But, while Art Carney said he'd come back, Audrey Meadows and Joyce Randolph didn't So, Sue Anne Langdon and someone else played Alice and Trixie in that first sketch. Then, Jackie decided to move the show to Miami (it had been in New York) and that's when it went to color, and Sheila MacRae and Jane Kean took the roles of Alice and Trixie in the sketches (which were being done as musicals, and they were remakes of the 50s ones. Then, in 1970, CBS canncelled "The Jackie Gleason show".
But, starting in 1976, Jackie revised "The Honeymooners" as a series of specials on ABC with Audrey Meadows and Joyce Randolph again. (the last one, in, I think 1979, ended with Ralph FINNALY getting a promotion at the bus company, and the Kramdens getting more money coming in).


And, that's it!!! For the entire story, check out:

www.honeymooners.net

[Bill S.]

Then, in the early 60s, Jackie revived it, but without "The Honeymooners". Then, he found out that reruns of the series were doing well, and he realized that some people had never seen "The Honeymooners", so he decided to revise it. But, while Art Carney said he'd come back, Audrey Meadows and Joyce Randolph didn't So, Sue Anne Langdon and someone else played Alice and Trixie in that first sketch. Then, Jackie decided to move the show to Miami (it had been in New York) and that's when it went to color, and Sheila MacRae and Jane Kean took the roles of Alice and Trixie in the sketches (which were being done as musicals, and they were remakes of the 50s ones. Then, in 1970, CBS canncelled "The Jackie Gleason show".
But, starting in 1976, Jackie revised "The Honeymooners" as a series of specials on ABC with Audrey Meadows and Joyce Randolph again. (the last one, in, I think 1979, ended with Ralph FINNALY getting a promotion at the bus company, and the Kramdens getting more money coming in).
There were three sketches from Jackie's American Scene Magazine which aired in the early 60's. Two aired in 1962 featuring Sue Anne Langdon and Patricia Wilson as Alice & Trixie. The third aired in early 1966 and featured Audrey Meadows returning as Alice in the last black & white episode ever. Also, I don't think Joyce Randolph ever returned on those reunion specials...if I'm not mistaken that was Jane Kean.

[treky]

whoops!!! Sorry!!! (I AM 48 years old!)


"Sorry about that, Chief!"

[T-Greg]

There were three sketches from Jackie's American Scene Magazine which aired in the early 60's. Two aired in 1962 featuring Sue Anne Langdon and Patricia Wilson as Alice & Trixie. The third aired in early 1966 and featured Audrey Meadows returning as Alice in the last black & white episode ever. Also, I don't think Joyce Randolph ever returned on those reunion specials...if I'm not mistaken that was Jane Kean.

You're right. Jane Kean played Trixie on all 4 ABC specials from the 1970's. If I remember correctly, Joyce Randolph told Larry King that she was not asked to play Trixie for those specials. This was from Larry King Live (5/3/02). It right aired right before The Honeymooners 50th Anniversary Special aired on 5/6/02 on CBS.

[treky]

that's right; back in 2000 or 2001 (I don't remember which) TV LAND aired that 1966 episode, which was a musical version of the "Adoption" sketch from the 50s. Trixie wasn't in it, for some reason (they said she was visiting her mother or sister in New Jersey, or something)

[W.B.]

that's right; back in 2000 or 2001 (I don't remember which) TV LAND aired that 1966 episode, which was a musical version of the "Adoption" sketch from the 50s. Trixie wasn't in it, for some reason (they said she was visiting her mother or sister in New Jersey, or something)
And yet, Trixie had appeared in the '55 version. Go figure . . .

[Bill S.]

And yet, Trixie had appeared in the '55 version. Go figure . . .
My guess would be that they couldn't get Joyce Randolph to play Trixie in that show for whatever reason. Gleason probably didn't want to have another actress take her place since it was supposed to be a reunion type of thing.

[T-Greg]

There were three sketches from Jackie's American Scene Magazine which aired in the early 60's. Two aired in 1962 featuring Sue Anne Langdon and Patricia Wilson as Alice & Trixie. The third aired in early 1966 and featured Audrey Meadows returning as Alice in the last black & white episode ever. Also, I don't think Joyce Randolph ever returned on those reunion specials...if I'm not mistaken that was Jane Kean.

One other thing about ASM. Since Art Carney was not a regular, they only did the Honeymooners when he was a guest, thus, that's why they had so few episodes.

[Bill S.]

One other thing about ASM. Since Art Carney was not a regular, they only did the Honeymooners when he was a guest, thus, that's why they had so few episodes.
Yeah, forgot to mention that. Do you know where the American Scene Magazine was filmed? I thought Gleason went to Miami around '66 but in the "Two Below" episode everyone's voice seemed to echo as if they were in a larger theatre.

[T-Greg]

ASM aired from 1962-66. The first 2 years were done in NYC. They moved to Miami in 1964. The opening for those first 2 years was "From New York City, The Entertainment Capital of the World." Upon the move to Miami, the slogan was changed to "Fun and Sun Capital of the World".

[Bill S.]

ASM aired from 1962-66. The first 2 years were done in NYC. They moved to Miami in 1964. The opening for those first 2 years was "From New York City, The Entertainment Capital of the World." Upon the move to Miami, the slogan was changed to "Fun and Sun Capital of the World".
But the first two years weren't done in the same theatre as the Jackie Gleason Show were they?

[W.B.]

But the first two years weren't done in the same theatre as the Jackie Gleason Show were they?
TASM, from 1962-64, was indeed taped in the same studio - the future "Ed Sullivan Theatre" - as Gleason's 1950's CBS variety shows had been staged. Apparently, the "Sun and Fun Capital" phrase (as it actually was called) was concocted upon the move to Miami Beach, in light of the New York "Entertainment Capital" nickname. When the show was revamped as TJGS (again) in 1966, with the switch to color, the phrase and city name were switched in their order.

[Bill S.]

TASM, from 1962-64, was indeed taped in the same studio - the future "Ed Sullivan Theatre" - as Gleason's 1950's CBS variety shows had been staged. Apparently, the "Sun and Fun Capital" phrase (as it actually was called) was concocted upon the move to Miami Beach, in light of the New York "Entertainment Capital" nickname. When the show was revamped as TJGS (again) in 1966, with the switch to color, the phrase and city name were switched in their order.
So the two Honeymooners sketches ("Two Below" and "TV Game Of The Week") were done in the same theatre as the Lost episodes? That makes me wonder about the apartment set. It looks like a different set in "Two Below." Any idea what happened to the other set? It was the Classic 39 set I believe, since they used that for the later Lost episodes.

[JeffRuss1972]

Are there any chances of The Jackie Gleason Show being released on dvd?

[treky]

I don't know; but I sure hope so!!!

[Bill S.]

Are there any chances of The Jackie Gleason Show being released on dvd?
If you're talking about the "American Scene Magazine," I don't think we'll see that on DVD any time soon. And if you're referring the 50's Gleason show, that's probably in the same boat. With all the Honeymooners sketches out there from MPI, I don't think they would go back and release the full shows those sketches were a part of. It's been hard enough getting them to release the Honeymooners sketches they have laying around collecting dust.

[W.B.]

So the two Honeymooners sketches ("Two Below" and "TV Game Of The Week") were done in the same theatre as the Lost episodes? That makes me wonder about the apartment set. It looks like a different set in "Two Below." Any idea what happened to the other set? It was the Classic 39 set I believe, since they used that for the later Lost episodes.
There was a slight difference in the set in those two 1962 shows, from those of the Classic 39 and 1956-57 "Lost" episodes. (After all, five years had passed since the last installment . . . ) The key difference, from what I've seen, was in the doors.

[T-Greg]

If you're talking about the "American Scene Magazine," I don't think we'll see that on DVD any time soon. And if you're referring the 50's Gleason show, that's probably in the same boat. With all the Honeymooners sketches out there from MPI, I don't think they would go back and release the full shows those sketches were a part of. It's been hard enough getting them to release the Honeymooners sketches they have laying around collecting dust.

I spoke with Paul Brownstein (who was the distributor of ASM and the Color Honeymooners at the time..not sure if he still is) about 2 years ago. He indicated that he could not get a network to pickup ASM, despite his efforts. Maybe if MPI promotes the color Honeymooners and/or re-release of Lost episodes well, and it sells big, they'll think about releasing ASM. Just a thought.

[Bill S.]

There was a slight difference in the set in those two 1962 shows, from those of the Classic 39 and 1956-57 "Lost" episodes. (After all, five years had passed since the last installment . . . ) The key difference, from what I've seen, was in the doors.
Yeah the doors were definitely different. The scene outside the window was also very different from the 50's shows. Seems like they used some of the old props but for the most part it was a totally new set. Also, the way they filmed it made the set seem bigger and more stretched out.

I spoke with Paul Brownstein (who was the distributor of ASM and the Color Honeymooners at the time..not sure if he still is) about 2 years ago. He indicated that he could not get a network to pickup ASM, despite his efforts. Maybe if MPI promotes the color Honeymooners and/or re-release of Lost episodes well, and it sells big, they'll think about releasing ASM. Just a thought.
I mean, it's always a possibility. I personally don't think it's going to happen for a long time though. If Brownstein couldn't get anyone to pick up the rights two years ago, I doubt he has yet. As far as I know MPI only has the rights to the Color shows and the Lost episodes. But you never know, with all the excitement going around last year about the "Love Letter" episode and the Color episodes release, MPI might have just purchased those rights for the hell of it.