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Bill S.
01-17-2006, 11:58 PM
After coincidentally watching a couple Honeymooners episodes back to back, I noticed some interesting lines. In both episodes, the city of Yonkers, New York is mentioned. From what I can tell, in the earlier years, Gleason seemed to use Yonkers in the same way that he used places like Bayonne and Staten Island. I'm not sure if Yonkers is referred to in any other episodes but the ones that I know of are "Box Top Kid" and the DuMont sketch "New Television Set" (11/2/51).

Trixie mentions it in "Box Top Kid," when she tells Alice where Ed has taken her on vacation (Bayonne, Yonkers & Scranton) and Alice mentions it in "New Television Set," when she's reading the newspaper. While telling Ralph about the TV, she reads off the numbers to call for the TV deal in Staten Island and Yonkers before Ralph cuts her off and says "Yeah, and in Brooklyn call the nut house."

This caught my attention because I am originally from the Yonkers/Westchester area. I was curious if anyone knew of any other episodes in which places like that were mentioned? I'd like to know if they had ever mentioned Mount Vernon in any sketches since that's where Art Carney was originally from. The series was based on Gleason's childhood in Brooklyn so I think it would be interesting to see if Carney's hometown was ever used. There's a handful of episodes I have yet to see that may include bits like this (I.E. the color shows, reunion specials, etc.) So if anyone hears/has heard any reference(s) to Westchester, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, White Plains or any areas like that, please let me know.

W.B.
01-18-2006, 12:27 AM
I'd like to know if they had ever mentioned Mount Vernon in any sketches since that's where Art Carney was originally from. The series was based on Gleason's childhood in Brooklyn so I think it would be interesting to see if Carney's hometown was ever used. There's a handful of episodes I have yet to see that may include bits like this (I.E. the color shows, reunion specials, etc.) So if anyone hears/has heard any reference(s) to Westchester, Yonkers, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, White Plains or any areas like that, please let me know.
I don't know if this counts, but I guess the "Mount Vernon" reference in "Please Leave the Premises" was along those lines. A way to slip in Art's hometown in the guise of discussing historical events - namely, the Washington at Valley Forge reference - Alice: "I'm here, Ralph. Martha was home in a nice warm house in Mount Vernon." Although the Mount Vernon where the Washingtons had lived was most likely not the same town where Mr. Carney had been born. . . .

The 1966 version of "The Honeymooners in England" segment, where the Kramdens and Nortons visited London, I thought, was ironic, given that that was where Sheila MacRae was born . . .

Bill S.
01-18-2006, 01:07 AM
I don't know if this counts, but I guess the "Mount Vernon" reference in "Please Leave the Premises" was along those lines. A way to slip in Art's hometown in the guise of discussing historical events - namely, the Washington at Valley Forge reference - Alice: "I'm here, Ralph. Martha was home in a nice warm house in Mount Vernon." Although the Mount Vernon where the Washingtons had lived was most likely not the same town where Mr. Carney had been born. . . .
I completely forgot about that reference. I just searched to see if it was the same place but apparently Washington's Mount Vernon was in Virginia. You had me excited for a second though because I know Washington was involved in the Battle of White Plains, which took place only a few miles north of Mount Vernon, NY.

W.B.
01-18-2006, 02:22 PM
You had me excited for a second though because I know Washington was involved in the Battle of White Plains, which took place only a few miles north of Mount Vernon, NY.
In that context, there may have been a double reference in Alice's comment - not from her end, but from the writers who came up with the exchange. But it's also possible the New York Mount Vernon was named way-back-when after that Virginia town. Ditto for Monticello - (a) the name of Jefferson's house, and (b) the name of a town in the Catskills in upstate New York.