Judith Hines Case

[compulsive dvd]

What a bizarre case. I didn't believe she was living in Omaha, but wonder why someone would call, saying she was. They should have questioned the Hungarian abortion performer.

They've been showing some great older segments lately. Some of them were even new to me. It's amazing to catch cases occasionally that I haven't seen before, after tivoing it twice a day.

[Todd Mueller]

I don't know why, but everytime I watch this segment I go around for the next week saying over and over (in a weird accent), "Judy Hines is alive... and she lives in Omaha... Judy Hines is alive... and she lives in Omaha..."

[DarkDante]

I don't know why, but everytime I watch this segment I go around for the next week saying over and over (in a weird accent), "Judy Hines is alive... and she lives in Omaha... Judy Hines is alive... and she lives in Omaha..."

Many many many years back some buddies of mine were hanging out at this guys house and one of us got the bright idea to do a couple of "prank calls" or whatever. So when the time came for me to say something on the phone I just said the first thing that came to mind which was of course...

"Judy Hymes is alive... and she lives in Omaha" - Everybody looked at me weird but hell Todd thought you'd like to know you ain't alone man. That phrase is infectious

Later.

[crystaldawn]

I've taught that phrase to my 4 year old daughter. How many toddlers do you know that know who Judy Himes is? Its nice to be raising another generation of UM fans. :lol:

[Nelson_Flavor]

I've taught that phrase to my 4 year old daughter. How many toddlers do you know that know who Judy Himes is? Its nice to be raising another generation of UM fans. :lol:

Gotta get 'em while they're young :crazy:

[cuba_libre]

That case has always given me the creeps.... :eek:

[njf520]

does anyone know of any articles on the world wide web about this case?

thanks.
njf

[hyechica]

wasnt she the women who was from florida or something and she had a suposed abortion and she called after she went missing and she was spoted somewhere or something i remeber them talking about a car and a lake or river or ocean or something am i confused with someone else she also wore glasses and had dark poffey hair

[crystaldawn]

I think thats the one. She was pretty and wore a "flip" but no glasses. There were calls 25 years after her disappearance claiming she was alive and in Omaha (thus the classic phrase). After the original segment aired someone sent an anonymous letter saying she had died after an allergic reaction to something given to her during an illegal abortion. I believe they also said her body was thrown in the water. Police think the letter is credible.

[DarkDante]

a news article from a July, 1989 edition of the Miami Herald on Hymes which apparently goes into some detail regarding her case. If someone could dig it up they would probably get some more information on the case.

Later.

[Goofyman]

I think thats the one. She was pretty and wore a "flip" but no glasses. There were calls 25 years after her disappearance claiming she was alive and in Omaha (thus the classic phrase). After the original segment aired someone sent an anonymous letter saying she had died after an allergic reaction to something given to her during an illegal abortion. I believe they also said her body was thrown in the water. Police think the letter is credible.

The letter is probably from either the Hungarian doctor who was running the clinic and vanished, or someone helping him with that specific abortion.

[dynoguy88]

The most likely scenerio in this case is that she died while having the abortion. (The letter also says she had a fatal reaction to some medicine that she was allergic to or something.) But how does that explain the blood found in her rental car? Maybe when her body was disposed of in the bay (if the letter is correct) that might have been when it happened.

Her rental car was then driven 100+ miles away by a man that I assume might have worked at the clinic. He was seen exiting her car but was never identified. I wonder why they chose that specific location - surely they had to know that the car would be found (it was parked on the lawn in a residential neighborhood for goodness sake).

By far, those famous mysterious phone calls are the most baffling in this case - (Judy Himes is alive, and she lives in Omaha. :eek: ) If they were indeed a prank, why would somebody wait a full 25 years after Judith vanished to make them? Could they possibly have come accross an old newspaper article that discussed the case and then they decided to try and screw with the police? If they were a prank, they most likely were not calling from Omaha but from the Florida area where Himes lived.

Strange case. I would also like very much to read some old articles on this mystery if they could ever be found.

[AVERMAN]

I don't suppose there are any developments in this case?

I don't think the letter is legitimate. I think it is a deterent. I also believe Judith is alive and living in Omaha, but when they saw the story on UM, they sent the letter to quash any evidence of her being found. She probably went into hiding just in case people found out she had had the abortion.

As mentioned in the story, due to the fact that the statute of limitations has expired on this case, there would be no criminal charges laid.

[Huskerz85]

Well if the statute of limitations had expired and whoever wrote the letter knew this, I don't think they'd intend for it to be a deterrent........

I think what happened was just a sad case of bad luck. Complications developed from the abortion which she was either unable to anticipate or unexperienced in dealing with. She died either in that squalid shack, or somewhere close by and the doctor panicked. He had someone dispose of her body in Biscayne Bay and then get rid of her car (the blood in the backseat could suggest that's where her body was sitting while in transit....)

Then at the first chance he got (after making bail), he bolted. Now why would he go and do that if Judith had survived the procedure?? Passing himself off as a doctor is bad enough.......but certainly not as bad as passing himself off as a doctor and causing the death of an innocent woman........

As far as I know, no attempt was made by the Omaha Police Department to investigate the phone calls or do any sort of investigation to dispell these rumors. *(Coincidentally, the Omaha Chief of Police at the time--James Skinner, later resigned to become the Police Chief in Coral Gables in 1997)

[Awsi Dooger]

(Coincidentally, the Omaha Chief of Police at the time--James Skinner, later resigned to become the Police Chief in Coral Gables in 1997)

Now there's a twist I never would have guessed.

[AVERMAN]

I don't get it, Coral Gables?? How is that a twist?? (I'm not disagreeing, I just don't understand what it's got to do with anything, excuse my slowness)

[dynoguy88]

I don't get it, Coral Gables?? How is that a twist?? (I'm not disagreeing, I just don't understand what it's got to do with anything, excuse my slowness)

Coral Gables was where Judith Himes lived.

[mistagee]

Shes totally dead. Blood in a rental car is never a good sign. She died during an abortion. Makes plenty sense to me

[rerungirl]

I remember an early UM case where a radio talk show host got a call from an anonymous source wanting to give him information on a cold case. The call came in on an unpublished line (not available to the general public) and the talk show host had no idea why someone would call him with the information. Was this part of the Judith Hines episode? If not, does it sound remotely familiar to anyone? I've been racking my brain the last few months trying to remember more details about it, but this is all I can come up with. Oh, I guess I should mention this is not the Beans Baxter episode...with the fake confession in Los Angeles.

[crystaldawn]

I remember an early UM case where a radio talk show host got a call from an anonymous source wanting to give him information on a cold case. The call came in on an unpublished line (not available to the general public) and the talk show host had no idea why someone would call him with the information. Was this part of the Judith Hines episode? If not, does it sound remotely familiar to anyone? I've been racking my brain the last few months trying to remember more details about it, but this is all I can come up with. Oh, I guess I should mention this is not the Beans Baxter episode...with the fake confession in Los Angeles.

Hey! Well in the Tracy Kirkpatrick case a guy did call in on I believe a national "confess your crime" type program. I believe they also played the recording on a local radio station on the 1 year anniversary of her death to see if anyone recognized his voice. Is that the one you're thinking of?

[boechsner]

Does anyone have an airdate for the Judith Himes case?

[Awsi Dooger]

Does anyone have an airdate for the Judith Himes case?

There's a thread here where somebody lists the schedule from Lifetime Real Women.

Hope this helps.

[boechsner]

There's a thread here where somebody lists the schedule from Lifetime Real Women.

Hope this helps.

Well, actually, I meant when did it originally air, on NBC? I'm pretty sure it aired during the 1990-1991 season or the 1991-1992 season.

But thanks for your help! :)

[kamy]

I remember an early UM case where a radio talk show host got a call from an anonymous source wanting to give him information on a cold case. The call came in on an unpublished line (not available to the general public) and the talk show host had no idea why someone would call him with the information. Was this part of the Judith Hines episode? If not, does it sound remotely familiar to anyone? I've been racking my brain the last few months trying to remember more details about it, but this is all I can come up with. Oh, I guess I should mention this is not the Beans Baxter episode...with the fake confession in Los Angeles.


Actually, I just watched the Judith Himes case and one of the first leads the Coral Gables cop got when he returned from Nebraska was a phone call from a radio station dj (in Omaha) who hosted a show and said that he recieved info from an annonymous caller who claimed to have info about Judith Himes. The cop in turn contacted the station but they had never heard of Judy Himes or Captain Scheer.

I'm really torn on what I believe happened to her, but it seems that because the dj story cannot be validated that it easily could have been a prank along w/ the creepy phonecall. You can't exactly validate the letter that the police got either, but they believe it is legit.

[LooksLikeCRicci]

I agree that this is one of UM's creepier segments. When I was little, it scared the bejeezus out of me!

I also fall in the camp that believes the letter is legit. Given the time that Judith Himes disappeared, it's totally plausible that she died during a botched abortion and that her body was disposed of in the bay.

[wiseguy182]

I would imagine that the phone call and the letter are legit. The case was decades old at that point, so whoever was behind it must have had some knowledge about the case.

[sdb4884]

It's unrealistic to think she would just run off and move towns and just not contact her friends or family after all this time.

She probably died as a result of a botched abortion, the doctor and maybe a nurse or other associate hired the rental car under Judith's name, put her body in the car (which explains the blood stains) and dumped her body in the bay.

Sad and probably true.

Also if the number which got traced back to Hadju's address in Budapest was correct why wasn't he extradited back to the US for quesitoning?

[Necco]

According to the Doe Network, that information regarding the phone number for the doctor came in 1989. There are a few reasons why this might not have been followed up.
-The statute of limitations was probably up.
-I'm not sure what the extradition treaties were in 1989, but the current ones weren't signed until 1994 and enacted in 1997.
-Hungary was a little busy dealing with changing their entire political climate and the subsequent economic ramifications.
-Unlikely as it may be, perhaps the doctor involved was a covert agent of some sort at some point in time either before or after the incident in question.

-Necco

[justins5256]

I just watched this story recently. I believe the sequence of the phone calls was as follows...

1. The detective in Coral Gables (I believe his sirname was Sheer) received a phone call from a radio DJ who said a person had called his show claiming to have some information on the Himes case. Sheer was unfamiliar with the case and asked the DJ if he knew how to contact the caller. The DJ affirmed. Sheer told the DJ he was going to research the case and call back.
The DJ provided Sheer with his personal unlisted home phone number. When Sheer called the DJ back at his unlisted number, the DJ had no idea who Sheer was or what he was talking about. The DJ was actually interviewed on UM and he seemed genuinely confused by the whole thing. Obviously, someone had impersonated him and gave Sheer his unlisted number, but who?

2. Detective Sheer received an anonymous phone call from someone who only said "Judith Himes is alive and she lives in Omaha" - the famous line.

3. Sheer received a third phone call from a man who claimed he worked for the FBI in some capacity. The man said he had just come back from Hungary where he had spent some time talking with "Dr." Hadju. He provided Sheer with Hadju's phone number and it was traced and shown to belong to him.

The Lifetime version of this episode completely deletes mention of the first call, so that is where some of this confusion is coming from.

The third phone call initially struck me as very odd. If they had Hadju's number, surely they could have followed up and arrested him as he was a fugitive.

The only thing I can figure is that Hungary was/is one of those countries where we don't have an extradition treaty. I also recall that the statute of limitation had run out (for the illegal abortion I presume) so perhaps that is why the lead about Hadju was not pursued. UM did mention that the police believed that Hadju was NOT responsible for any of the phone calls.

A few weeks later, UM aired an update to the effect that they had received an anonymous letter indicating that Judith was dead and had died during the illegal abortion. The police believed the letter was legitimate.

So, is Judith Himes alive and living in Omaha? If the phone calls were some sort of a prank, it was very well executed and also very esoteric. Well executed because the pranksters somehow got the DJ's unlisted number and possibly Hadju's number. Esoteric because the people involved - the radio DJ and Detective Sheer were both unfamiliar with case, as the public at large probably would have been at that time. At the time Sheer began receiving the calls, he had just returned from Omaha where he had given a lecture. However, he didn't mention the Himes case or have any knowledge of it as it was closed and 25 years old.

Kind of like the letters from Flint, Michigan indicating that Kari Lynn Nixon was alive. Someone was very fixated on that case. Someone else seemed to have a similar fixation on the Himes case.

[MegtheEgg86]

I just watched this story recently. I believe the sequence of the phone calls was as follows...

1. The detective in Coral Gables (I believe his sirname was Sheer) received a phone call from a radio DJ who said a person had called his show claiming to have some information on the Himes case. Sheer was unfamiliar with the case and asked the DJ if he knew how to contact the caller. The DJ affirmed. Sheer told the DJ he was going to research the case and call back.
The DJ provided Sheer with his personal unlisted home phone number. When Sheer called the DJ back at his unlisted number, the DJ had no idea who Sheer was or what he was talking about. The DJ was actually interviewed on UM and he seemed genuinely confused by the whole thing. Obviously, someone had impersonated him and gave Sheer his unlisted number, but who?

2. Detective Sheer received an anonymous phone call from someone who only said "Judith Himes is alive and she lives in Omaha" - the famous line.

3. Sheer received a third phone call from a man who claimed he worked for the FBI in some capacity. The man said he had just come back from Hungary where he had spent some time talking with "Dr." Hadju. He provided Sheer with Hadju's phone number and it was traced and shown to belong to him.

The Lifetime version of this episode completely deletes mention of the first call, so that is where some of this confusion is coming from.

The third phone call initially struck me as very odd. If they had Hadju's number, surely they could have followed up and arrested him as he was a fugitive.

The only thing I can figure is that Hungary was/is one of those countries where we don't have an extradition treaty. I also recall that the statute of limitation had run out (for the illegal abortion I presume) so perhaps that is why the lead about Hadju was not pursued. UM did mention that the police believed that Hadju was NOT responsible for any of the phone calls.

A few weeks later, UM aired an update to the effect that they had received an anonymous letter indicating that Judith was dead and had died during the illegal abortion. The police believed the letter was legitimate.

So, is Judith Himes alive and living in Omaha? If the phone calls were some sort of a prank, it was very well executed and also very esoteric. Well executed because the pranksters somehow got the DJ's unlisted number and possibly Hadju's number. Esoteric because the people involved - the radio DJ and Detective Sheer were both unfamiliar with case, as the public at large probably would have been at that time. At the time Sheer began receiving the calls, he had just returned from Omaha where he had given a lecture. However, he didn't mention the Himes case or have any knowledge of it as it was closed and 25 years old.

Kind of like the letters from Flint, Michigan indicating that Kari Lynn Nixon was alive. Someone was very fixated on that case. Someone else seemed to have a similar fixation on the Himes case.

I'm 99.9% sure the letter is legitimate, but there's still a tiny speculative voice in me that doesn't let me go the other .1%. Judy signed herself in at the doctor's office where she was scheduled for a pregnancy test as "B. Kenney." I wonder if she was in fact living in Omaha under that name, or perhaps some other assumed one, and someone was aware of it. It might be something of a stretch, but it was something I immediately considered when watching the segment the first time.

[justins5256]

I'm 99.9% sure the letter is legitimate, but there's still a tiny speculative voice in me that doesn't let me go the other .1%. Judy signed herself in at the doctor's office where she was scheduled for a pregnancy test as "B. Kenney." I wonder if she was in fact living in Omaha under that name, or perhaps some other assumed one, and someone was aware of it. It might be something of a stretch, but it was something I immediately considered when watching the segment the first time.

I tend to believe the scenario put forth in the letter. The fact that her car was found abandoned and that there was blood in it are not good signs.

I also wonder if someone who was involved in Judith's disappearance in '65 felt guilty years later. Not guilty enough to come forward and turn themselves in, but guilty enough to make phone calls to a random officer from Coral Gables in hopes of reopening the investigation or at least getting the police to arrest Hadju. I think the claim that "Judith Himes is alive" would generate more attention then a call to report "Judith Himes is dead" since the police probably assumed that anyway...

Just a thought.

[MegtheEgg86]

I also wonder if someone who was involved in Judith's disappearance in '65 felt guilty years later. Not guilty enough to come forward and turn themselves in, but guilty enough to make phone calls to a random officer from Coral Gables in hopes of reopening the investigation or at least getting the police to arrest Hadju. I think the claim that "Judith Himes is alive" would generate more attention then a call to report "Judith Himes is dead" since the police probably assumed that anyway...

True. I always thought the letter could've been written by an associate or clerical worker at Hadju's office---someone who was close to the situation, but not necessarily the guilty party. Maybe even someone who helped dispose of the body.

(Speaking of which, it seems very plausible to me that Judy's rental car was probably used to transport her body to Biscayne Bay. It would explain the blood as well as the unidentified man seen walking away from it. But why leave it abandoned with blatant blood stains in the backseat, knowing that when it was impounded it would be traced back to a missing woman? That part I don't get.)

[Cori aka ChrisSCrush]

Yeah, if she was using an assumed name, why rent the car in her name and then just leave it to be found? :confused:

[owenrock]

I just rewatched this case for the first time in probably 15 years. For some reason this is probably the segment that has stuck in my mind from UM more than any else. Judy Himes is alive and she is living in Omaha....gives me the creeps everytime. Such a sad way to go too

[justins5256]

Does anyone remember the "one post wonder" who stated very matter of factly that the anonymous letter was written by a nurse who assisted in the abortion? This person was then asked how hey possessed this knowledge and they never responded. I have tried to find the post in all the Judith Hyams/Himes threads with no luck so far.

[TracyLynnS]

Does anyone remember the "one post wonder" who stated very matter of factly that the anonymous letter was written by a nurse who assisted in the abortion? This person was then asked how hey possessed this knowledge and they never responded.

This thread mentions that letter and the poster (still active here, I think) never answered the question regarding how her friend, the source of her info, knew for certain that the letter really was from a nurse who was present at Judith's appointment with Hadju.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=246292&highlight=judith

[owenrock]

if it was true it would certainly be interesting to find that out before the authorities lol

[dynoguy88]

(Speaking of which, it seems very plausible to me that Judy's rental car was probably used to transport her body to Biscayne Bay. It would explain the blood as well as the unidentified man seen walking away from it. But why leave it abandoned with blatant blood stains in the backseat, knowing that when it was impounded it would be traced back to a missing woman? That part I don't get.)

I watched this on the forbidden site today and was asking the very same questions in regards to the car. Not just the fact that the man made no attempt to clean the blood in the back seat but the fact that he drove it 650 miles to a residential neighborhood in Atlanta.

My guess is that Hadju wanted the car to be found with the blood in hopes that people would think Judith met with foul play. Still, that's a long distance from Coral Gables to be found.

[XiaoGouPi]

I watched this on the forbidden site today and was asking the very same questions in regards to the car. Not just the fact that the man made no attempt to clean the blood in the back seat but the fact that he drove it 650 miles to a residential neighborhood in Atlanta.

My guess is that Hadju wanted the car to be found with the blood in hopes that people would think Judith met with foul play. Still, that's a long distance from Coral Gables to be found.


Does anybody ever considered that Captain Sheer could be making things up?


Isnt it weird for him to be the only one to be receiving all these anonymous phone calls?


This case wouldnt have resurfaced if not for Captain Sheer.

No one can verify whether he did receive any weird calls regarding Judith Hymes or not.

And if he is indeed lying, God knows what his motives are.

Your guess is as good as mine.

[justins5256]

Does anybody ever considered that Captain Sheer could be making things up?


Isnt it weird for him to be the only one to be receiving all these anonymous phone calls?


This case wouldnt have resurfaced if not for Captain Sheer.

No one can verify whether he did receive any weird calls regarding Judith Hymes or not.

And if he is indeed lying, God knows what his motives are.

Your guess is as good as mine.


I don't think Captain Sheer made it up. I always thought he seemed genuine and perplexed in his UM interview as to why someone would call him about the case seemingly out of the blue. Also, Sheer didn't have a vested interest in the outcome.

My gut feeling is that the phone calls were either a weird prank. Or, possibly someone with some legitimate info on the Hyams case was trying to get it reopened or get some new exposure. Since Sheer did get a call from someone who knew Hadju's actual phone number, I tend to think the latter.

[sdb4884]

I don't think Captain Sheer made it up. I always thought he seemed genuine and perplexed in his UM interview as to why someone would call him about the case seemingly out of the blue. Also, Sheer didn't have a vested interest in the outcome.

My gut feeling is that the phone calls were either a weird prank. Or, possibly someone with some legitimate info on the Hyams case was trying to get it reopened or get some new exposure. Since Sheer did get a call from someone who knew Hadju's actual phone number, I tend to think the latter.

Yeah strange that, if they did actually trace down Hadju why didn't that matter go any further?

[justins5256]

Yeah strange that, if they did actually trace down Hadju why didn't that matter go any further?

Sheer said that the statute of limitations had expired, so I would imagine that they couldn't legally charge Hadju with anything. Also, I think Hadju was only a "person of interest" in Hyams' disappearance, but it was mentioned that he was living in Hungary(?). Probably not much they could do to get him to come back to the US, in any event.

[XiaoGouPi]

Sheer said that the statute of limitations had expired, so I would imagine that they couldn't legally charge Hadju with anything. Also, I think Hadju was only a "person of interest" in Hyams' disappearance, but it was mentioned that he was living in Hungary(?). Probably not much they could do to get him to come back to the US, in any event.



"Statues of Limitations has expired" is such a lame thing to say. Total bureaucratic bullsh1t.

Why reopen a case when no one can be prosecuted at all? Whats the point in all that? What purpose does it serve?

If i know if shes dead, and i know who killed her, I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut since I know theres nothing u can do to arrest the guy who did it.

No one will be so stupid to tell on whoever that did it ! God knows what he'll do to me if I spill the beans on him.

[asmitty]

"Statues of Limitations has expired" is such a lame thing to say. Total bureaucratic bullsh1t.

Why reopen a case when no one can be prosecuted at all? Whats the point in all that? What purpose does it serve?

If i know if shes dead, and i know who killed her, I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut since I know theres nothing u can do to arrest the guy who did it.

No one will be so stupid to tell on whoever that did it ! God knows what he'll do to me if I spill the beans on him.


If it was a murder, then I don't think the statute of limitations hasn't expired. If, however, the statements made in the anonymous letter about an accidental death from an allergic reaction during an abortion are true, then the statute of limitations may have, in fact, run out. The statement about the statute of limitations expiring was said in reference to the letter writer to get them to come forward. It may be possible that prosecution of Hadju is still a possibility as he was "posing" as a physician and subsequently caused Judy's death if the letter is genuine.

Off topic, why would you be afraid of what the person would do to you if you came forward? If the police can't prosecute him why should he come after you?

[Necco]

Also, there's the issue of extradition. The US signed their extradition with Hungary in 1994 and it took effect in 1997. So, at the time they received the information, they could do little with it.

But since the doctor jumped bail for the impersonating a physician charges, prosecution had begun, so, at least, by today's standards, the statute of limitations wouldn't apply.

[TracyLynnS]

While researching some other stuff, I was surprised to discover that the state of New Mexico used to have a 15 year statute of limitations on even (1st degree, I think) murder. This was in recent history, maybe the 70s, early 80s?

They have since changed it to no statute of limitations on murder, which seems to be the law in most/all states now.

States are also changing their statutes of limitations on sexual assaults to either have no statute, much longer than 5 or 6 years which used to be common, or the clock starts running after they identify a suspect through a DNA match.

I started looking for info on this site: http://www.theforensicnurse.com/Rape_And_Sexual_Assault_Statute_Of_Limitations_By_State.cfm and they got their stuff from The American Prosecutors Research Institute's National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women, but the link provided on their site in 2006 is now bad.

The sexual assault laws are listed for each US state. From there, I looked up each state's compiled laws (websites vary by state) to find the info on statute on murders, etc.

[WishfulDreamer]

I think the friend was in denial. Even with medical knowledge, you can't necessarily save yourself from a botched procedure, particularly if she did have an allergic reaction or something along those lines.

I think the letter is legitimate.

The phone calls, whoever, I'm not sure. It really is creepy about the radio host's unlisted number being given out and then not long after, Omaha calls, and the "FBI" call.

[baloony]

I've taught that phrase to my 4 year old daughter. How many toddlers do you know that know who Judy Himes is? Its nice to be raising another generation of UM fans. :lol:

LOL!

[XiaoGouPi]

I think the friend was in denial. Even with medical knowledge, you can't necessarily save yourself from a botched procedure, particularly if she did have an allergic reaction or something along those lines.

I think the letter is legitimate.

The phone calls, whoever, I'm not sure. It really is creepy about the radio host's unlisted number being given out and then not long after, Omaha calls, and the "FBI" call.


Assuming the letter is legitimate, who could possibly have that knowledge of what happened to Judith Hymes?

How did he / she have come to know about this?

Unless the writer was once of those who worked in the Hadju's clinic or helped to dispose the body off the bay.

These are the only pple who could know the true fate of Judith Hymes. Who else is there?

[WishfulDreamer]

Assuming the letter is legitimate, who could possibly have that knowledge of what happened to Judith Hymes?

How did he / she have come to know about this?

Unless the writer was once of those who worked in the Hadju's clinic or helped to dispose the body off the bay.

These are the only pple who could know the true fate of Judith Hymes. Who else is there?
I think it definitely has to be a person working at the clinic or a friend of someone who was.

[ms_bates]

I think the friend was in denial. Even with medical knowledge, you can't necessarily save yourself from a botched procedure, particularly if she did have an allergic reaction or something along those lines.

I think the letter is legitimate.

The phone calls, whoever, I'm not sure. It really is creepy about the radio host's unlisted number being given out and then not long after, Omaha calls, and the "FBI" call.


Agreed about the friend. Judith might have well known that she was in trouble, but if she was losing lots of blood, she probably would have been dependent on someone else to get her to a hospital. And well, this doctor probably wasn't in a hurry to implicate himself in performing illegal abortions.

[tiddlywinks950]

I posted on a thread a long time ago, I don't know if any of you guys have seen it or remember it, but I actually contacted marilyn, judiths friend who was interviewed in the segment, years ago. She told me that the letter was legitimate; the nurse who was present that day for the abortion wrote it and talked to the police. The case is closed and she was declared legally dead.

[dynoguy88]

I posted on a thread a long time ago, I don't know if any of you guys have seen it or remember it, but I actually contacted marilyn, judiths friend who was interviewed in the segment, years ago. She told me that the letter was legitimate; the nurse who was present that day for the abortion wrote it and talked to the police. The case is closed and she was declared legally dead.

Interesting. I didn't see that in the other thread. It's kind of moot now but I wish the nurse could have said who got rid of Judith's car and why did he abandon it 700 miles away in a Atlanta neighborhood.