TV LAND is not wholesome anymore !!

[Meade]

TVLAND network is supposed to be about family viewing, like its sister network Nick@Nite. However lately they have gotten really bad. First with their Farrah Fawcette reality show- now they are going to air the Top 10 Gay Icons in TV History. As a Christian, I think that homosexuality is wrong and should not be shown on an otherwise family network. They can put that smut some place else !

[Pus$y Galore]

Where do you get the belief that TVLand is considered just family viewing?

It's a network that runs "CLASSIC" television shows - not just family shows in particular.

And gays have been portrayed in classic shows for years so get over it already.

You don't have to tune in when they show particular shows - no one is forcing you - tune in ABC Family when they're airing that's all.

[vashti1999]

Where do you get the belief that TVLand is considered just family viewing?

It's a network that runs "CLASSIC" television shows - not just family shows in particular.

And gays have been portrayed in classic shows for years so get over it already.

You don't have to tune in when they show particular shows - no one is forcing you - tune in ABC Family when they're airing that's all.

:thumbsup: :yeahthat

[dlemond]

TVLAND network is supposed to be about family viewing, like its sister network Nick@Nite. However lately they have gotten really bad. First with their Farrah Fawcette reality show- now they are going to air the Top 10 Gay Icons in TV History. As a Christian, I think that homosexuality is wrong and should not be shown on an otherwise family network. They can put that smut some place else !

They can put that homosexuality some place else? How about everywhere you go in public, because some people are gay and you will have to deal with it.

Or just shut youself in and watch TV.... but not TVLand, oh no!!!!

[Sterling Holobyte]

I could have told you that this would happen, Meade. Have anti-PC views here and you get flamed. :rolleyes:

[dlemond]

I could have told you that this would happen, Meade. Have anti-PC views here and you get flamed. :rolleyes:

Because TV Land recognizes homosexual characters you think that gives people the right to object to deceny- because they are homosexual?
Homosexuals can't be decent people? OH boy.


I am not particularly fond of rednecks and idiotic southern characters, so I object to the common decency of common sense that is betrayed by showing shows like Andy Griffith.

Are you for real?

ANNND I just looked at your profile-- no kidding you like Andy Griffith.
South lost the war you know.

[Sterling Holobyte]

Because TV Land recognizes homosexual characters you think that gives people the right to object to deceny- because they are homosexual?
Homosexuals can't be decent people? OH boy.


I am not particularly fond of rednecks and idiotic southern characters, so I object to the common decency of common sense that is betrayed by showing shows like Andy Griffith.

Are you for real?

ANNND I just looked at your profile-- no kidding you like Andy Griffith.
South lost the war you know.
You might want to read this.
http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?StoryID=231&SectionID=1&LayoutType=1&StoryMonth=5&StoryYear=2005

[Christopher]

This is why I hate Christians. They think they know everything and have every right to judge people. You don't like what is on telelvision then play a tape or turn the tv off. It's not that hard.

[Pus$y Galore]

This is why I hate Christians. They think they know everything and have every right to judge people. You don't like what is on telelvision then play a tape or turn the tv off. It's not that hard.


Correction: These people are not Christian. Christ did not teach us to hate others or judge them needlessly. I was born a Christian and feel EVERYONE has a right to live their life in peace. These people are not hurting you so keep your FUNDAMENTALIST views to yourselves.

Fundamentalism in ANY religion is extreme - just like the fundamentalist Muslims America is fighting.

I've noticed this trend since 9/11. The U.S. was hit by fundamentalist Muslims, so now the fundamentalist Christians (what an oxymoron) are rising up and trying to shove their bible-thumping views down everyone's throat.

You call it "Political Correctness" - I call your views nothing but bigotry and small-mindedness.

I'm not big on "PC" but I am on loving my fellow man and not judging them as they don't judge me.

He who is without sin may cast the first stone. I guess that makes you absolutely perfect.

[dlemond]

You might want to read this.
http://www.thephatphree.com/features.asp?StoryID=231&SectionID=1&LayoutType=1&StoryMonth=5&StoryYear=2005

You might want to think about:

http://www.a1b2c3.com/suilodge/metfun1.htm

ASS

Greet that fire.

[James"Thunder"Early]

This is not the place for a political debate. All I'll say is people should be entitled to their opinion and not be attacked for it.

[Dean Winchester]

what is it with the state of VA? it's the one place where people seem to take pride in being homophobic

[Christopher]

Correction: These people are not Christian. Christ did not teach us to hate others or judge them needlessly. I was born a Christian and feel EVERYONE has a right to live their life in peace. These people are not hurting you so keep your FUNDAMENTALIST views to yourselves.




Every Christian I have ever met says gays and lesbians are going to burn in hell, that they are sinning. God created these people, so why would he want them to burn in hell when they are not hurting anyone? I am sorry if I offended you.

[Dean Winchester]

This is why I hate Christians. They think they know everything and have every right to judge people. You don't like what is on telelvision then play a tape or turn the tv off. It's not that hard.

yes, what I also take offense to is people using Christianity as a scapegoat to why they're homophobic. In that case. Why is Tammy Faye a gay rights activist? Why do Dolly Parton and Amy Grant champion gay causes? Religion is not an excuse because there are some Christians who aren't that narrowminded.

I am tired of a few neo-Christians trying to ruin it for the rest of us. I know a lot of heterosexuals who hate organized religion thanks to these people. I have heterosexual male friends who have decided to raise their kids with the belief that organized religion is the root of all evil. Wanna know why? people they won't shut the hell up about homosexuality and other things, because they hide behind their bible when the truth is, they're just uncomfortable with the idea of two men or two women and think it's easier to justify disliking it because of one passage, instead of just living and let live.

You know, I'm gonna watch the special.... Stick to watching Highway To Heaven.

[barwars]

TVLAND network is supposed to be about family viewing, like its sister network Nick@Nite. However lately they have gotten really bad. First with their Farrah Fawcette reality show- now they are going to air the Top 10 Gay Icons in TV History. As a Christian, I think that homosexuality is wrong and should not be shown on an otherwise family network. They can put that smut some place else !


No wonder you have bad taste.... you're an asswipe.

[Sharop]

^ I agree completely, BuffySlayer79. I consider myself a Christian, although I'm not a conventional one - for instance, I believe in reincarnation, which is not accepted by the Christian faith. It's so annoying that religion is getting a bad name just because of a few people who are religious, whether it be Islamic or Christian extremists, act in a manner that is deemed by most people to be unacceptable. Most Christians have not one bigoted bone in their body - but of course, there are others who don't see things the same way.

[Dean Winchester]

No wonder you have bad taste.... you're an asswipe.

lol, the funniest part is that he claims everything else on TV Land is family-friendly.

I'm sorry, Three's Company is no more appropriate for young children to watch than a special on the top 10 gay icons. I know lots of people in their 30's who weren't allowed to watch that show as kids.

Hunter is a little too violent to be family-friendly as well. Where's the complaint about how non-wholesome that is?

Oh wait, The Sopranos is more family-friendly than Will And Grace to these people, because cold-blooded violence is so less offensive than gay men WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE SEX LIVES.

[vashti1999]

No wonder you have bad taste.... you're an asswipe.

No. Didn't you read Sterling Holobyte's link? That's hole, not wipe.

[barwars]

I'm a Catholic, and I work in a Catholic church.... and I fully support gay rights. And believe homosexuals have every right that heterosexuals have.

Never once in my life have I heard any priest or nun, or employee of the church, either at the pulpit or off the altar denounce gays and/or lesbians. At least at my particular church anyways.

Why?? Because they're good people. Unlike some people, particularly the starter of this thread.

[vashti1999]

Hunter is a little too violent to be family-friendly as well. Where's the complaint about how non-wholesome that is?



Even Bonanza, and they had a whole marathon of that on Sunday, of all days. :eek:

[Dean Winchester]

I'm a Catholic, and I work in a Catholic church.... and I fully support gay rights. And believe homosexuals have every right that heterosexuals have.

Never once in my life have I heard any priest or nun, or employee of the church, either at the pulpit or off the altar denounce gays and/or lesbians. At least at my particular church anyways.

Why?? Because they're good people. Unlike some people, particularly the starter of this thread.

even though Catholics have a bad reputation, I don't think Catholics are anywhere as judgmental when it comes to homosexuality as Baptists are. Catholics have an understanding that there are different types of people. Now I've heard anti-abortion sermons, but nothing against homosexuality.

[barwars]

even though Catholics have a bad reputation, I don't think Catholics are anywhere as judgmental when it comes to homosexuality as Baptists are. Catholics have an understanding that there are different types of people. Now I've heard anti-abortion sermons, but nothing against homosexuality.

I must go to a pretty liberal church.... abortion is never brought up. And I mean never. Not during mass, not before, not after.... not in confirmation class either.

I take that back, one time, during our actual confirmation, the Bishop said something along the lines of "teens have so much presure today between drugs, and sex, and the threat of abortion, which we hope and pray no one ever goes through"

It wasn't a "have an abortion and die" thing. It was more of a quick, "abortion isn't the wisest choice."

[Pus$y Galore]

This is not the place for a political debate. All I'll say is people should be entitled to their opinion and not be attacked for it.


When I saw the title of the thread, I certainly wasn't prepared for it to be a gay bashing thread. Especially the comment about the Farrah show - what does it have to do with being "immoral" or homosexual?

I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it just seems that these opinions are nothing more than bigotry! You certainly wouldn't tolerate it if they were saying that TVLand had too many "black" shows (like Cosby, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, etc.) and that isn't right, so why should we tolerate it when the minority group is gays?

I'm sick and tired of everything being twisted and turned into gay bashing. I'm not even gay myself or militant about it but Meade didn't even give any specific examples of the "smut" they're showing. They mentioned Chasing Farrah - what has that show got to do with anything immoral or gay (it sucks big time, but not for those reasons)? I suppose Farrah is immoral now because she and Ryan only lived together without being married?

I agree that this should now be moved to the random CC thread, but you can't blame us for stating OUR opinions when the original post was politically charged.

[dlemond]

I respect everyone's opinion, but I don't respect the homophobic crap I read.
And if that is your opinion, well, facism is an opinion, so is white supremacy.
You might be a facist if....

I think the thread has gotten off course.

[Dean Winchester]

I must go to a pretty liberal church.... abortion is never brought up. And I mean never. Not during mass, not before, not after.... not in confirmation class either.

I take that back, one time, during our actual confirmation, the Bishop said something along the lines of "teens have so much presure today between drugs, and sex, and the threat of abortion, which we hope and pray no one ever goes through"

It wasn't a "have an abortion and die" thing. It was more of a quick, "abortion isn't the wisest choice."

yea, the way it should be.


I don't understand why Christians hate homosexuals the way they do. They don't realize with their incessant nagging that they scare the idea of religion out of gays, lesbians, and even open-minded heterosexuals. I have friends who give me hell for going to church, because I should boycott all religion because of the way a few neo-Christians are about us.

Here's a word of the wise to neo-Christians who think we all worship Satan and defy God and sacrifice pigs: just because one has the built-in attraction to the same sex doesn't suddenly mean they hate God. I've met plenty of heterosexuals who are Satanists, but I can't say I've ever met a gay person who is. Just because one is attracted to the same sex doesn't mean they have their crucifixes upside down. I remember a religious person saying "I'd rather be a homophobe than a Christophobe". Why is there this silent war between neo-Christians and gays? We haven't done anything, we're just being ourselves. When they say "Christophobe", they make it sound like gays are picketing churches with "Satan lives" signs and doing evil chants. LOL. Christophobe my ass!!!

[Pus$y Galore]

Every Christian I have ever met says gays and lesbians are going to burn in hell, that they are sinning. God created these people, so why would he want them to burn in hell when they are not hurting anyone? I am sorry if I offended you.


Oh no - you didn't offend me at all (Meade did tho - and Sterling). I'm just saying that certain "Christians" are hiding behind their religion because they figure it gives them the right to be predjudiced against a minority group of people. What I meant, is this is NOT the feeling of every Christian, or even the teachings of Jesus Christ so I get pissed when they group all Christians in their opinions. It's as silly as saying every Muslim is a terrorist! I'm sure Timothy McVeigh was baptised in the Christian church and look at what he did.

I'm saying the ones who are spreading this "Christian" hatred are extremists in their own right and are becoming as intolerant as the KKK.

Bewitched - running on TVLand since the beginning - many gays were on that show - Dick Sargeant, Paul Lynde, etc.. The Brady Bunch - Mike Reed, All In The Family dealt with the issue (very well I might add - maybe Meade and Sterling should watch the eps. with Beverly LaSalle in them - the whole point was to teach tolerance). I could go on and on with other examples, but I think I've made my point.

I suggest you turn off your t.v., since this issue is dealt with on many networks, or just watch your Kirk Cameron shows, read your bible and repent for your bigotry!

[James"Thunder"Early]

When I saw the title of the thread, I certainly wasn't prepared for it to be a gay bashing thread. Especially the comment about the Farrah show - what does it have to do with being "immoral" or homosexual?

I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it just seems that these opinions are nothing more than bigotry! You certainly wouldn't tolerate it if they were saying that TVLand had too many "black" shows (like Cosby, Sanford and Son, The Jeffersons, etc.) and that isn't right, so why should we tolerate it when the minority group is gays?

I'm sick and tired of everything being twisted and turned into gay bashing. I'm not even gay myself or militant about it but Meade didn't even give any specific examples of the "smut" they're showing. They mentioned Chasing Farrah - what has that show got to do with anything immoral or gay (it sucks big time, but not for those reasons)? I suppose Farrah is immoral now because she and Ryan only lived together without being married?

I agree that this should now be moved to the random CC thread, but you can't blame us for stating OUR opinions when the original post was politically charged.I still say it's not fair to attack people for their views. I don't think Meade was trying to offend. people have a right to say what they don't like. if they were saying that TV Land had too many "black" shows that would be different to me.

[Pus$y Galore]

I'm a Catholic, and I work in a Catholic church.... and I fully support gay rights. And believe homosexuals have every right that heterosexuals have.

Never once in my life have I heard any priest or nun, or employee of the church, either at the pulpit or off the altar denounce gays and/or lesbians. At least at my particular church anyways.

Why?? Because they're good people. Unlike some people, particularly the starter of this thread.


And you won't either, because Catholics are not like these fundamentalist, "reborn" Christians who believe they are holier than thou!!

Meanwhile, we've had a couple of pastors of these types of churchs caught diddling children (Ralph Rutledge for one - he's now selling real estate after his prison sentence). I guess molesting children is more acceptable than homosexuality to them. Or Jim Bakker, stealing his followers money and having extra-martial affairs while preaching the word of God - there's an upstanding guy for ya! :rolleyes:

[dlemond]

I still say it's not fair to attack people for their views. I don't think Meade was trying to offend. people have a right to say what they don't like. if they were saying that TV Land had too many "black" shows that would be different to me.

Nice try.

Read what was written- it wasn't even disguised as "too many"- it was blatantly accusing. Like you didn't notice.

I think that homosexuality is wrong and should not be shown on an otherwise family network. They can put that smut some place else !

[Dean Winchester]

I still say it's not fair to attack people for their views. I don't think Meade was trying to offend. people have a right to say what they don't like. if they were saying that TV Land had too many "black" shows that would be different to me.

well, what Meade said was narrow-minded. The way he says "TV Land is not wholesome anymore" is as if TV Land airs nothing but Father Knows Best and Full House, and now these "evil homosexuals" are coming on the network. When TV Land airs shows that have violence or were sexually taboo when originally aired (TC is tame by todays standards, but people tell me when it first aired, it was as shocking as something like Sex And The City was when it premiered), I think it's funny he singles out a special about gays on television. He fails to see that gays have been on tv longer than he realizes, he's obviously never seen The Brady Bunch or Bewitched.

[James"Thunder"Early]

Nice try.

Read what was written- it wasn't even disguised as "too many"- it was blatantly accusing. Like you didn't notice.I still say people have a right to say what they want to see on TV and voice their opinion. It's not fair to gang up on the person and attack their beliefs.

[dlemond]

I still say people have a right to say what they want to see on TV and voice their opinion. It's not fair to gang up on the person and attack their beliefs.

And like I said, if you believe in discrimination I believe in telling you where you can go- and it's not a pleasant suggestion.

And by the way, should we not reprimand beliefs that contradict the American way of life, or should some of us have Hitler over for tea?

Say what you want, but tough crap if the response is unpleasant. That is my- and the AMERICAN- belief.

I think I have to start a list of jackasses.
I don't know where to start.

[Dean Winchester]

I still say people have a right to say what they want to see on TV and voice their opinion. It's not fair to gang up on the person and attack their beliefs.

yea, but would you necessarily agree if the reverse was said, and people were all "get Highway To Heaven off TV Land, if I want religion, I'd go to church, get this crap off my television"?

[Dean Winchester]

well, what I find funny is that people are so up in arms about how much they hate homosexuality, but yet then will go and watch a show like Desperate Housewives, which was created by a gay man. Or they'll watch Arrested Development, which stars a lesbian.

This is 2005, variety is the spice of life. Like the Groove Armada song goes, "if everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other".

[jayman75]

GOOD LORD!!!

OK... let's get back to the original comment.

TVLand, as I recall, used to be designed as more "kid-friendly." I Love Lucy, Laugh-In, My Three Sons... it was truly "classic" TV. Now, it's become more "modern classic." Yes, that's fine and dandy, but I still believe there is an audience for those older shows that didn't have any *real* troubles. It was all about running out of money, a kid who broke a window, or the wife worrying about what to make for dinner.

Simple? Yes, but that is what people grew up with in the 50s and 60s. My generation (born in 75) had a different experience as children.

So, let's all get along, have a Coke, and smile. Life's too short.

As for the gay comments... get over yourselves. You never know what someone is doing in their private lives. Is it worse to be a good person and gay than a murderer/thief/liar? Methinks not.

[Pus$y Galore]

I still say it's not fair to attack people for their views. I don't think Meade was trying to offend. people have a right to say what they don't like. if they were saying that TV Land had too many "black" shows that would be different to me.


That's a double standard!!! Why is it different when the hatred is aimed at blacks or any other race for that matter.

This is EXACTLY the same thing - hating a minority group because they're different - period.

And in the same vain, I have the right to my opinion which differs from Meade's. You say we're attacking, I'm not attacking anyone - I am standing up for a group of people. Meade attacked - just because there are more people posting who's opinion differs, doesn't mean we're attacking at all. We're stating our opinions too - simple as that.

[dlemond]

GOOD LORD!!!

OK... let's get back to the original comment.

TVLand, as I recall, used to be designed as more "kid-friendly." I Love Lucy, Laugh-In, My Three Sons... it was truly "classic" TV. Now, it's become more "modern classic." Yes, that's fine and dandy, but I still believe there is an audience for those older shows that didn't have any *real* troubles. It was all about running out of money, a kid who broke a window, or the wife worrying about what to make for dinner.

Simple? Yes, but that is what people grew up with in the 50s and 60s. My generation (born in 75) had a different experience as children.

So, let's all get along, have a Coke, and smile. Life's too short.

As for the gay comments... get over yourselves. You never know what someone is doing in their private lives. Is it worse to be a good person and gay than a murderer/thief/liar? Methinks not.

You are right in many senses.
But TV Land has changed- for the better or worse- who knows?

But whatever it has become, it is still noteworthy to expose predjudiced and bigotted people who blatantly crap on things not to their liking.

They invited their own trouble.

[Pus$y Galore]

yea, but would you necessarily agree if the reverse was said, and people were all "get Highway To Heaven off TV Land, if I want religion, I'd go to church, get this crap off my television"?


Very good point!! I find more and more religious shows on all the time - Joan of Arcadia, Highway, Touched By An Angel, etc. - I don't watch them, but I also don't post that they should be taken off television.

You have the right to change the channel you know.

[James"Thunder"Early]

That's a double standard!!! Why is it different when the hatred is aimed at blacks or any other race for that matter.

This is EXACTLY the same thing - hating a minority group because they're different - period.

And in the same vain, I have the right to my opinion which differs from Meade's. You say we're attacking, I'm not attacking anyone - I am standing up for a group of people. Meade attacked - just because there are more people posting who's opinion differs, doesn't mean we're attacking at all. We're stating our opinions too - simple as that.I don't have a double standard, I'm just stating that I think it's two different situations. and I believe the original poster was just stating their opinion and it was unpopular to some people and they had their religion attacked. I'm not trying to debate a political issue, I debating that people should be entitled to their opinions.

[dlemond]

I don't have a double standard, I'm just stating that I think it's two different situations. and I believe the original poster was just stating their opinion and it was unpopular to some people and they had their religion attacked. I'm not trying to debate a political issue, I debating that people should be entitled to their opinions.

You know what?

I think that all people who oppose my opinion should jump into a wood chipper?

You think that is ok?

Well, it's my opinion.

Maybe they should be lit on fire before chucked in the woodchipper.

[Pus$y Galore]

I don't have a double standard, I'm just stating that I think it's two different situations. and I believe the original poster was just stating their opinion and it was unpopular to some people and they had their religion attacked. I'm not trying to debate a political issue, I debating that people should be entitled to their opinions.


Then people should be able to say they hate black people - or asians - or pakistanis. You can colour it what you like, but it IS the same thing - nothing more than predjudice. Gays are born that way like a black person is born darker than a white. Blood is all red and we're all the same under the skin.

If it isn't and you can convince me its different, and o.k. and why, then please be my guest. I'd like to know the reasoning behind why its o.k. to be against gays but not other races.

[Dean Winchester]

I don't have a double standard, I'm just stating that I think it's two different situations. and I believe the original poster was just stating their opinion and it was unpopular to some people and they had their religion attacked. I'm not trying to debate a political issue, I debating that people should be entitled to their opinions.

well, religion was attacked because Meade used the standard "I hate gays because I'm a Christian" bull, I know a lot of Christians who don't hate or disaprove of gays, so the theory that hating gays because of religion goes out the window.

Meade posted that to piss gays and lesbians off, it's obvious. People fought back

[Dean Winchester]

Then people should be able to say they hate black people - or asians - or pakistanis. You can colour it what you like, but it IS the same thing - nothing more than predjudice. Gays are born that way like a black person is born darker than a white. Blood is all red and we're all the same under the skin.

If it isn't and you can convince me its different, and o.k. and why, then please be my guest. I'd like to know the reasoning behind why its o.k. to be against gays but not other races.

well, the reasoning a lot of people use is, if you're black or Asian or whatever, you can't disguise it. Yet they say gays and lesbians can. Yes, some can (nobody would ever be able to tell Portia de Rossi was a lesbian), but there are a lot of gay men who are just a lot more feminine than the regular everyday guy, and women who have more testosterone than the average girly-girl. They didn't choose to be manly or femmy, that's the way they were. There was a girl when I was in 6th grade with who was very butch, she had a mullet and seemed more at home in guy clothes than girl clothes, I'd bet money she's a lesbian.

I am masculine for the most part. I have my queen out moments, but for the most part I am a man. I was able to hide being gay in high school, I never dated girls, I just played the part of somebody who was shy, and it worked for the most part. However, I know guys who are naturally flamboyant, and people would call them a *** in high school even if they didn't tell a soul, because it was plainly obvious because they had inate feminine qualities. These people tried to hide being gay and it was still obvious. So I don't buy the "gays and lesbians can hide who they are". Yes, some of us can, but not everyone.

[Dragonflies]

I was raised as a Christian and believe that people have the right to live their lives the way they wants as long as they're not a threat to public safety. What people do in their own homes is their business, what right do I have to judge them. I mean I wouldn't like it if someone judged me because of something I believed or whatnot.

I believe in gay rights, everyone are human beings and should be afforded the same rights, no one should be denied something just because someone doesn't approve of their lifestyle ohno:

Now back to TVLAND, I applaude them for doing a special like this. I'm glad they're not afraid to do something like this, and not going the "play it safe" route :clap

[Meade]

But why do they have to be so political? Its obvious they have a political agenda !

I dont care about the gays, so much. Its just the way they have to make a big deal about it. Like its really important.

And Yes, TVLAND should be family oritented. Its not like MTV or something. Its supposed to be Classic TV. I am well aware they have had gays innuendo in tv before, but its nothing to devote a whole show about.

[Meade]

Because TV Land recognizes homosexual characters you think that gives people the right to object to deceny- because they are homosexual?
Homosexuals can't be decent people? OH boy.


I am not particularly fond of rednecks and idiotic southern characters, so I object to the common decency of common sense that is betrayed by showing shows like Andy Griffith.

Are you for real?

ANNND I just looked at your profile-- no kidding you like Andy Griffith.
South lost the war you know.

Excuse me? First of all I dont like Andy Griffith. I do like Mama's Family.
In the South there are not just rednecks (which by the way is a highly offenseive term used by people who dont know any better) But there are different class distinctions in the South. There are all kinds of people. You sound ignorant that way. First of all its comedy. Its not meant to be mind blowing.


Andy Griffith show didnt push a political agenda or anything.

I mean no offense, but Northerners to me have always seemed kind of ill mannered and lacking refinement. But I dont go steretying that every Yankee I meet is like Archie Bunker.

[dlemond]

But why do they have to be so political? Its obvious they have a political agenda !

I dont care about the gays, so much. Its just the way they have to make a big deal about it. Like its really important.

And Yes, TVLAND should be family oritented. Its not like MTV or something. Its supposed to be Classic TV. I am well aware they have had gays innuendo in tv before, but its nothing to devote a whole show about.

Nothing should be anything it doesn't want to be.

OH AGENDA!

The sidekick show was an agenda, right?
Why don't you go their website and see all the future top ten lists they have in the works?
If you don't like top 10 lists then say that- stop being such an obvious homophobe.

No doubt someone very close to you is gay, because you are way too sensitive. Maybe you???

[Meade]

This is why I hate Christians. They think they know everything and have every right to judge people. You don't like what is on telelvision then play a tape or turn the tv off. It's not that hard.

Im not judging anyone ! I just dont see why this has to be on TVLAND.

Cant it be on Bravo instead?

[dlemond]

Im not judging anyone ! I just dont see why this has to be on TVLAND.

Cant it be on Bravo instead?

Are you head of programming?
Do you have money invested in the channel?

Then shut it.

Really, just end it. For god's sake just stop your blindly stupid prejudiced mouth.

[Christopher]

Im not judging anyone ! I just dont see why this has to be on TVLAND.

Cant it be on Bravo instead?




That is like saying can't all black shows or specials be on BET. Gay shows aren't hurting anyone.

[Meade]

When did I ever say I hated homsexuals?

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH !

I said I didnt agree with homosexuality and I think that TV LAND has some kind of political agenda. Instead of just showing tv they have to make it an issue. Thats what I dont understand.

[Dragonflies]

Im not judging anyone ! I just dont see why this has to be on TVLAND.

Cant it be on Bravo instead?


I'm willing to bet if it were on BRAVO you'd still complain. It's not hurting anyone by being on TVLAND. Ever heard of something called a remote? TURN THE CHANNEL if you don't like something they air. That's what I do

[Pus$y Galore]

well, the reasoning a lot of people use is, if you're black or Asian or whatever, you can't disguise it. Yet they say gays and lesbians can. Yes, some can (nobody would ever be able to tell Portia de Rossi was a lesbian), but there are a lot of gay men who are just a lot more feminine than the regular everyday guy, and women who have more testosterone than the average girly-girl. They didn't choose to be manly or femmy, that's the way they were. There was a girl when I was in 6th grade with who was very butch, she had a mullet and seemed more at home in guy clothes than girl clothes, I'd bet money she's a lesbian.

I am masculine for the most part. I have my queen out moments, but for the most part I am a man. I was able to hide being gay in high school, I never dated girls, I just played the part of somebody who was shy, and it worked for the most part. However, I know guys who are naturally flamboyant, and people would call them a *** in high school even if they didn't tell a soul, because it was plainly obvious because they had inate feminine qualities. These people tried to hide being gay and it was still obvious. So I don't buy the "gays and lesbians can hide who they are". Yes, some of us can, but not everyone.

I fully agree! They talk about "gaydar" and if there is such a thing, I'm sure I'm tuned in. I'm a completely hetro female, but my best friend in high school was a fem homosexual (best friend I've ever had btw). I first met him in gr 4 and didn't know about "homosexuality", but knew Bill was different. A lot of the kids wondered aloud whether he was a boy or girl. I've also had friends more like yourself where it wasn't as obvious. Same with lesbians, I've had friends who I never had a clue, and then others I knew the second I saw them, let alone spoke to them.

To me, the ONLY reason any gay feels they have to hide it - is because of this exact attitude towards them. If we ever get to the point, and I hope we will - that's why I stand up for all of this so much, nobody will ever feel they have to hide who or what they are ever again.

It's the same anyway in the hetro circles - there are some women who are more feminine, and some who are more athletic, or tomboyish, but are still hetro. Some men are more fem than others, but that doesn't make them gay.

I just wish it didn't matter and wasn't even an issue so that we could avoid stupid comments like the one made in the first post - that's all! And I don't think it's right to voice your opinion against gays any more than it is against different colours of skin. Its the same as racsim imo and that wouldn't be tolerated one minute on these boards so why this?

[Dean Winchester]

Nothing should be anything it doesn't want to be.

OH AGENDA!

The sidekick show was an agenda, right?
Why don't you go their website and see all the future top ten lists they have in the works?
If you don't like top 10 lists then say that- stop being such an obvious homophobe.

No doubt someone very close to you is gay, because you are way too sensitive. Maybe you???


don't forget the "Top 10 TV Mothers" list. That is such an obvious agenda saying that childless women are inferior to those with babies, and need to get pregnant ASAP

[barwars]

When did I ever say I hated homsexuals?

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH !

I said I didnt agree with homosexuality and I think that TV LAND has some kind of political agenda. Instead of just showing tv they have to make it an issue. Thats what I dont understand.


There is no "agreeing" to be done.

I don't agree with people being black. Or Mexican. Or Jewish. Or French. Or Virginian. And I don't agree with you being an asswipe.... but ya still are.

[Meade]

I'm willing to bet if it were on BRAVO you'd still complain. It's not hurting anyone by being on TVLAND. Ever heard of something called a remote? TURN THE CHANNEL if you don't like something they air. That's what I do

No, I asbolutely would not. I do watch Bravo sometimes, and I think that kind of thing would be more appropriate over there.

My TVLAND should be about "Mister Ed" and "I Love Lucy" and thats it.

[Dean Winchester]

Andy Griffith show didnt push a political agenda or anything.

pray tell... what "political agenda" is being pushed on Will And Grace? Yes, the two males are gay, but the show is basically Seinfeld with 2 gay men and 2 straight women, it's not about any agendas or anything. It's just about 4 self-involved New Yorkers and their idiosynchricies, 2 of which also happen to like the same sex.

[Meade]

There is no "agreeing" to be done.

I don't agree with people being black. Or Mexican. Or Jewish. Or French. Or Virginian. And I don't agree with you being an asswipe.... but ya still are.


And you sound rude and crude. Using such a word.

[Meade]

pray tell... what "political agenda" is being pushed on Will And Grace? Yes, the two males are gay, but the show is basically Seinfeld with 2 gay men and 2 straight women, it's not about any agendas or anything. It's just about 4 self-involved New Yorkers and their idiosynchricies, 2 of which also happen to like the same sex.

To be honest I only used the "gay" thing as an example. Its not the only issue. My main issue with TVLAND is that it seems to have gotten away from Classic TV programming and its following and annoying trend of other tv.

I used to like TVLAND because it was different. Because it cared about classic shows, when Nick@Nite stopped showing them. But now its like every other network. Trying hard to push the envelope.

[dlemond]

And you sound rude and crude. Using such a word.

Here's a word for you and wear it well.

"prejudiced"

Would you like that on a t-shirt or coffee mug?

[Dragonflies]

To be honest I only used the "gay" thing as an example. Its not the only issue. My main issue with TVLAND is that it seems to have gotten away from Classic TV programming and its following and annoying trend of other tv.

I used to like TVLAND because it was different. Because it cared about classic shows, when Nick@Nite stopped showing them. But now its like every other network. Trying hard to push the envelope.

Sorry I don't buy it. Using that "gay" thing as an example? Gay thing? Why does that make me feel offended. So when a channel wants to do something to honor gays it's a "gay" thing? WTH????

Like I said it's not hurting anyone. I'm willing to bet some of those family shows you love at least one or two of the actors were gay and we never knew about it.

[Dean Winchester]

Sorry I don't buy it. Using that "gay" thing as an example? Gay thing? Why does that make me feel offended. So when a channel wants to do something to honor gays it's a "gay" thing? WTH????

Like I said it's not hurting anyone. I'm willing to bet some of those family shows you love at least one or two of the actors were gay and we never knew about it.

people flipped out over when VH1 did a special about gays a year or two ago. I mean, endless specials about Paris, Britney and J. Lo are fine, but dare have a special about gays in the media, complete with interviews with people like Melissa Etheridge, and "get this crap off my tv". I am sorry, but I can't name one gay celebrity who is as overexposed, annoying, and like watching a train wreck as Paris and Britney are. Rosie is the only one that comes to mind, and contrary to popular belief, I don't know one gay or lesbian who likes her. We hate her as much as straight people do.

TV Land is doing a ton of specials, if we can watch about the top 10 best cars in tv history, why not the top 10 gay icons?

I know you're a huge Golden Girls fan, you'd be shocked at how big that show is with the gay community. Lucy too, I know a lot of gay men who think Lucy's the greatest thing to ever walk the face of the earth.

[dlemond]

There is no "agreeing" to be done.

I don't agree with people being black. Or Mexican. Or Jewish. Or French. Or Virginian. And I don't agree with you being an asswipe.... but ya still are.

Myself and the French Black Mexican Jews of Virginia are up in arms about this.

[Pus$y Galore]

But why do they have to be so political? Its obvious they have a political agenda !

I dont care about the gays, so much. Its just the way they have to make a big deal about it. Like its really important.




Like Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and millions of African-Americans did back in the 1960s and 70s? Gee - why'd they make a big deal out of it?

Oh yeah - it's because of the way they were being treated like third class citizens!! Well no wonder they may have gotten a political agenda.

They make a big deal of it because they feel they have to finally. After centuries of feeling they have to hide it, they are finally trying to stand up for their rights and get the point across that its not something they've chosen to do - that they were born like this, cannot, should not, and will not change it and the one's who are against it are just going to have to get used to it and deal with it.

You say you don't hate them, but you must at least REALLY dislike them if you refer to their lifestyles as smut and don't like seeing it recognized.

[Meade]

Dont you think "gay icons" just steretypes gay people even more?

What I said in my inital post was I believe homeosexuality is wrong. I still feel that way. So people think that makes me a bad person because thats my opinion.

Then they go calling me names when they talk about "tolerance". Its kind of being hypocritical dont you think?