TV and Reality: The differences

[apple cheeks]

What do you think is the biggest difference between what happens on Television and what happens in real life?

[Belair]

Biggest difference: TV is fake.Reality is,well real.And,reality isn't rehearsed ;) (unfortunately)

[Marvo301]

There's a difference? :crazy:

[TJL]

And,reality isn't rehearsed ;) (unfortunately)

It is on reality shows.

;)

[TJL]

In every sitcom set in New York, everyone is young, thin, attractive and white.

I live in New York City. It's not like that.

[treky]

and on every SINGLE TV show, hardly anyone is disabled and uses a walker, like I do. It's always just a wheelchair or a cane, and EVERYONE who's an adult can drive and owns a car. Even on these so-called "reality" shows! And they say TV reflects real life.


THAT REALLY PISSES THE %&*%^#$ OUT OF ME!!!!!

[Adamantium]

On TV, the characters, after a certain point, start over again. When a show is in reruns. After the final episode, it usually goes back to the first episode. In real life, we can't go back.

On workplace comedies there's usually only a handfull of employees. Or at least handfull that talk to each other.

On "Saved by the Bell" some of the kids skateboard inside the school. There's no way that would happen at my former school. There's a lot of other things about "Saved by the Bell" that's different from real life. But I won't go into all of them.

[factsoflife]

The biggest difference is that TV cannot capture the manoteny of real life, the repetition, slowness and the way that time just takes forever to pass. Tv can't capture the little things about life. things like how warm your bed feels and the sound of a soft song that puts you to sleep or the smell of fresh baked goodies... tv can't really capture these types of things about life.

and on tv there is no divirsity, seriously when on tv do we see characters of different ethnic, religious, political, sexual orientation and so on? when do we see disabled and handicapped characters? not often enough.

[barwars]

The amount of disabled and/or handicapped characters on television is an acurate ratio as to how many disabled and/or handicapped people there are in America.

Same goes for gays and blacks.

If there is a cast of 10 characters, and one of them is black -- the ratio reflects America.

If there is a cast of 10 characters and five are female -- the ratio is acurately represented.

I'm not sure of the percentage of handicapped and/or disabled people there are in America, nor of the percentage of gays in America.



But to have these shows set in NYC completely changes the ratios.

[factsoflife]

The amount of disabled and/or handicapped characters on television is an acurate ratio as to how many disabled and/or handicapped people there are in America.

Same goes for gays and blacks.

If there is a cast of 10 characters, and one of them is black -- the ratio reflects America.

If there is a cast of 10 characters and five are female -- the ratio is acurately represented.

I'm not sure of the percentage of handicapped and/or disabled people there are in America, nor of the percentage of gays in America.



But to have these shows set in NYC completely changes the ratios.


You are a completley and totally ignorant person to say that. Television has almost NO divirsity. Gay characters are NOT even represented on network television, with Will and Grace being the only network show to even have a gay character. Cable does a little better with "The L Word" and "Queer as Folk" but WAF is leaving this season, Will and Grace is ending soon, i'm sure and three shows just isn't enough. to say that television accurately reflects real life is a big joke and you're totally insane to think that.

and other than the son on Joan Of Arcadia i can't think of even 1 other disabled person that is on television. and learning disabilities are uneqivocally underrepresented on television, no wait, they aren't represented at all. so don't sit there and tell me tha ttv is an accurate reflection of life cause it just isn't.

as a gay man i can tell you right now that gays are not accurately represented on television at all.

[barwars]

You are a completley and totally ignorant person to say that. Television has almost NO divirsity. Gay characters are NOT even represented on network television, with Will and Grace being the only network show to even have a gay character. Cable does a little better with "The L Word" and "Queer as Folk" but WAF is leaving this season, Will and Grace is ending soon, i'm sure and three shows just isn't enough. to say that television accurately reflects real life is a big joke and you're totally insane to think that.

and other than the son on Joan Of Arcadia i can't think of even 1 other disabled person that is on television. and learning disabilities are uneqivocally underrepresented on television, no wait, they aren't represented at all. so don't sit there and tell me tha ttv is an accurate reflection of life cause it just isn't.

as a gay man i can tell you right now that gays are not accurately represented on television at all.


"Blind Justice" premiering tonight has a disabled lead character.
There is a character in a wheel chair on "Committed" -- he's black too.... I guess he's a double token.

The fact is is that gays take up less than 10% of the population -- and if 10% of the TV population is gay -- they are represented to the appropriate ratio.

Should there be more diversity?? Absolutely.
Is the ratio of acurate?? Somewhat.

Only 12% of the American population is black, and that number is accurately represented on television.



ohh, and DONT call me ignorant when you're going to use words spelled like "divirsity" or "completley"

[factsoflife]

"Blind Justice" premiering tonight has a disabled lead character.
There is a character in a wheel chair on "Committed" -- he's black too.... I guess he's a double token.

The fact is is that gays take up less than 10% of the population -- and if 10% of the TV population is gay -- they are represented to the appropriate ratio.

Should there be more diversity?? Absolutely.
Is the ratio of acurate?? Somewhat.

Only 12% of the American population is black, and that number is acurately represented on television.



ohh, and DONT call me ignorant when you're going to use words spelled like "divirsity" or "completley"

Oh thats right i forgot someone can't have learning disability and spell words wrong, otherwise they are an idiot. so you don't think that there should be more gays, blacks or disableds on tv? and i'm the one thats ignorant? just because a ratio is supposedly accuarte (which by the way you have yet to provide me proof of) doesn't mean that there shouldn't be mor exposure... gays, ethnic minorities, disableds and other minorites all deserve more exposure and dont' qute some statistic at me and act like thats good enough, i mean thats something that president bush would do.

[Joker85]

It really shouldn't matter. People, or at least me, watch TV to be entertained. I don't really care if the cast is made up of whites, blacks, gays, straights, or whatever. It does bother me when there is a token black, white,gay, or handicapped character. They have no other purpose on the show. I don't need to be able to identify with all the characters I watch on TV, and certainly wouldn't want to. I watch to be entertained. Shows should not have to have a cast made up of each type of person or accurately reflect the ratios. As a southerner, I could say that it bothers me that all southern characters on TV are stereotyped and that there should be a more accurate representation and more shows with people from the south. But it doesn't bother me. It's just TV. A place to go to escape and not have to think about political correctness and the rest of the country.

[barwars]

Oh thats right i forgot someone can't have learning disability and spell words wrong, otherwise they are an idiot. so you don't think that there should be more gays, blacks or disableds on tv? and i'm the one thats ignorant? just because a ratio is supposedly accuarte (which by the way you have yet to provide me proof of) doesn't mean that there shouldn't be mor exposure... gays, ethnic minorities, disableds and other minorites all deserve more exposure and dont' qute some statistic at me and act like thats good enough, i mean thats something that president bush would do.

Dont throw politics at me. I'm far from a conservative, and even further less a Bush supporter.

Did I say there needed to be more exposure?? Yes.

But a disabled character, a gay character, or a black character shouldn't be thrown into a series just to be PC.
If they make the series better -- do it. But if they're there just be tokens.... they're a waste of space.


Joker85 summed it up perfectly. If a character is interesting, the black/white/gay/straight or disabled aspect shouldn't be the reason why.

And please, refrain from using the disabled card. You're an equal, don't go looking for pity.

[dawsongirl]

It really shouldn't matter. People, or at least me, watch TV to be entertained. I don't really care if the cast is made up of whites, blacks, gays, straights, or whatever. It does bother me when there is a token black, white,gay, or handicapped character. They have no other purpose on the show. I don't need to be able to identify with all the characters I watch on TV, and certainly wouldn't want to. I watch to be entertained. Shows should not have to have a cast made up of each type of person or accurately reflect the ratios. As a southerner, I could say that it bothers me that all southern characters on TV are stereotyped and that there should be a more accurate representation and more shows with people from the south. But it doesn't bother me. It's just TV. A place to go to escape and not have to think about political correctness and the rest of the country.

It looks like they're trying too hard not to offend people when they stick one random token character in there. It just looks totally fake most of the time. If their being black or latino or gay or whatever serves a purpose to the plot, then fine, but just don't throw them in there to please a certain demographic. Because YOU'LL NEVER PLEASE EVERYONE.

And talking about geographic stereotypes...I just read a complaint in the TV Guide about how The West Wing protrayed Iowans- like they were all dumbass farmers. Well, that pisses me off too because half this state probably has never even been on a farm. But when you're dealing with a bunch of California writers who have apparently never traveled the country and base their perceptions on TV news, what can you expect? It's not gonna change anytime soon.

[factsoflife]

It looks like they're trying too hard not to offend people when they stick one random token character in there. It just looks totally fake most of the time. If their being black or latino or gay or whatever serves a purpose to the plot, then fine, but just don't throw them in there to please a certain demographic. Because YOU'LL NEVER PLEASE EVERYONE.

And talking about geographic stereotypes...I just read a complaint in the TV Guide about how The West Wing protrayed Iowans- like they were all dumbass farmers. Well, that pisses me off too because half this state probably has never even been on a farm. But when you're dealing with a bunch of California writers who have apparently never traveled the country and base their perceptions on TV news, what can you expect? It's not gonna change anytime soon.


I basically agree with you. I don't like tokens either, but at this point i'd settle for that, instead of the zero exposure we (gays) get know. there simply needs to be more divirsity on tv.

African-Americans have been saying this for years, and rightfully so and now homosexuals are the newest group to be advocating the need for moe exposure.

I disagree with people who say that television is "just for entertainment", why can't it entertain AND accuarately reflect society at the same time? I mean "All in the family" was an extremely hilarious, entertaining show and yet still reflected the time it was supposed to represent. "The West Wing" is entertaining and still reflected accuratley a liberal president and his cabinet. "Kate and Allie" was entertaining and still was an accurate portrayl of a Divocred women's life. see you can entertain and reflect society at the same time. Soap operas have been doing it for decades, now if only primetime tv could catch up.

[treky]

:clap :clap :yeahthat :thanx:

[barwars]

Soap operas have been doing it for decades, now if only primetime tv could catch up.

What soap operas do you watch??

[JT]

What soap operas do you watch??
Now you know I have to chime in here.

Soap operas have beaten primetime to basically most, if not all, "groundbreaking" issues that have been on TV. You probably though Maude's abortion was the first on TV? Nope, the first was Pat Matthews, from Another World, who had hers in 1964. In 1973, Erica Kane (of All My Children) had the first legal abortion on TV, the same year as the famous Roe v Wade trial.

Gays and lesbians? I don't even know where to begin. All My Children had, I believe (though I'm not sure), the first gay character on a soap opera, Dr. Lynn Carson, who was not only homosexual, but a female homosexual. Dr. Lynn helped Devon Shepherd make a firm realization about her own sexual preference before she faded off of the canvas. In the 1990s, the same show had a story of a gay man, Michael Delaney, and it had a gay storyline that stretched for basically, the last five years, involving Erica's lesbian daughter Bianca. AMC had the first lesbian kiss in daytime back in March 2003, in addition to many sex scenes featuring Bianca and her various lovers, including Frankie Stone and Lena Kundera. One Life to Live's Billy Douglas was a gay teenager in the early 1990s. The City even had a transexual character named Azure.

In 1984, The Young and the Restless star Jeanne Cooper went through with a facelift and used the oppourtunity for a storyline where her character, Katherine Chancellor, also had a facelift performed. The episodes even used clips from Cooper's actual operation to play out the storyline.

All My Children, in the early 1970s, had many characters opposed to the Vietnam war, including nurse Ruth Martin, whose son Phil was missing in action in the war. She gave a very famous speech against the war in 1972.

The Guiding Light covered uterine cancer when it infected heroine Bert Bauer in the 1950s.

Race problems? That's another HUGE issue that is dealt with on soaps, dating back to the late 1960s when One Life to Live's light-skinned Clara Gray masqueraded as a white woman. James Earl Jones and Cicely Tyson were both on The Guiding Light as Dr. Jim and Martha Frazier. All My Children, since 1971, has featured plethoras of blacks and Latinos. It had the first black supercouple with Jesse Hubbard and Angie Baxter in the early-mid 1980s. Since the early 1990s, the Fryes (including police officer Derek and his sister, lawyer Livia) have been a core family on the show. The Santos family has been around since 1993, and the Latino character of Maria Santos Grey is seen practically everyday as she is dealing with the death of her white husband, Edmund. In 1989, NBC premiered the first soap to have a completely black core family, Generations. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Loving featured huge amounts of blacks. The Young and the Restless has the largest amount of black performers on contract, followed closely by NBC's Passions. One Life to Live has a large amount of Latinos and All My Children has characters from various decent, such as Englanders, Scots, and Puerto Ricans. Asians, I do admit, could be featured a LOT more than they are and have been, but that's definitely the only dim spot when it comes to soaps and races.

Let me think...what else has there been...oh yes the countless AIDS storylines. All My Children's love story between Stuart Chandler and AIDS patient Cindy Parker was quite popular in the late 1980s, and when Cindy died from complications of the disease, Stuart decided to raise her son.

General Hospital had a heart transplant where the character BJ was injured in a car accident and her parents gave her heart to her cousin Maxie. They also dealt with breast cancer (Dr. Monica Quartermaine was the victim) and with AIDS.

The Young and the Restless became known for its frank displays of teen sexuality in the 1970s.

Ryan's Hope's core family, the Ryans, were an Irish-Catholic family deeply rooted in their heritage and religion. The show was critically praised for most of its run for its realism in dealing with family problems and social issues. The show had a popular story about the right to die.

Love of Life did a groundbreaking story on prison abuse.

Late-in-life pregnancies have also been featured, with All My Children's Ruth Martin and Another World's Ada Davis.

Many soaps have touched on addiction. Soap alcoholics have included the previously mentioned Katherine Chancellor (Y&R) and Erica Kane (AMC), both of whom had very messy interventions last year. Painkillers were the basis of a story on Ryan's Hope when Jillian Coleridge became addicted.

Reva Shayne of Guiding Light suffered post-partem depression after giving birth. She was also cloned (not really a social issues story, but a realistic issue at the time).

Rape is also a HUGE story done on many soaps. Just a few of them have included: Eden's rape (Santa Barbara), Erica Kane being raped at age 14 and her daughter being raped at 19 (All My Children), Marty Saybrook being gangraped (One Life to Live), and just a few weeks ago there was a rape on Passions.

Hookers and prostitutes have also been featured largely. The most famous soap prostitute is without a doubt, Karen Wolek of One Life to Live, played by Judith Light. Karen was a doctor's wife who secretly hooked, but her secret came out on March 6, 1979, when she had to admit the dirty truth on the stands while testifying in court for her friend Viki, who was on trial for murder. It won Judith Light an Emmy in 1980 and ranked #95 on TVGuide's list of the most memorable TV moments. It is also probably OLTL's most memorable scene ever. In the late 1980s, on Another World, MJ McKinnon also hooked and kept it a secret from her close-knit family.

I could go on and on and on and on and on with this and never go stale. Soaps have ALWAYS kept a close grip on reality and social issues. ALWAYS. Before cable became prominent, it was normal for daytime to be the first TV venue where controversial subjects were tackled.

I don't mean to sound preachy, but as I've said a hundred million times before, soaps NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER get credit for the GREAT INNOVATIVE things they have given to television.

[Joker85]

Soaps may have had a lot more of the groundbreaking issues long before anyone in primetime did, but I don't see how anyone can say they've kept a close grip on reality.

[JT]

Soaps may have had a lot more of the groundbreaking issues long before anyone in primetime did, but I don't see how anyone can say they've kept a close grip on reality.
Well the latter can also be said about primetime. Hello...flying nuns, space creatures, vampire slayers, furry aliens from the planet Melmac. Primetime and daytime are both in the same area there, and primetime is worse off than daytime is. Star Trek. Need I even say anything more?!

[dawsongirl]

Well the latter can also be said about primetime. Hello...flying nuns, space creatures, vampire slayers, furry aliens from the planet Melmac. Primetime and daytime are both in the same area there, and primetime is worse off than daytime is. Star Trek. Need I even say anything more?!
:lol: Oh c'mon. There are vampires all over the place. Someone needs to slay them!

[barwars]

Yeah, but, sitcoms are, well.... entertaining.

[Brent88]

Yeah, but, sitcoms are, well.... entertaining.

:yeahthat

I cannot stand soap operas... Desperate Housewives is the first drama I've ever watched regularly and it's kinda of a funny mysterious type thing.

[barwars]

My problem with soap operas is that they take themselves too seriously.

I used to hate dramas in general, but recently I've become a fan of a lot of them.
However, I still don't like soap operas.


And Desperate Housewives doesn't really count as a soap opera, it's a satire of them. And one of the funniest shows on TV.

[Brent88]

My problem with soap operas is that they take themselves too seriously.

I used to hate dramas in general, but recently I've become a fan of a lot of them.
However, I still don't like soap operas.


And Desperate Housewives doesn't really count as a soap opera, it's a satire of them. And one of the funniest shows on TV.

Yeah... I don't consider it a soap either, it's just the first show of it's kind I have watched where there's a continuing storyline from episode to episode. Sitcoms you can miss an episode or they can play them out of order and they still make sense.

[Joker85]

Well the latter can also be said about primetime. Hello...flying nuns, space creatures, vampire slayers, furry aliens from the planet Melmac. Primetime and daytime are both in the same area there, and primetime is worse off than daytime is. Star Trek. Need I even say anything more?!

I agree with you. But as I said earlier in the thread, I don't watch TV for the reality factor. Because no drama, sitcom, soap, or reality show is actually based in reality. They are all so far away from reality it is ridiculous. But they are fun and entertaining, whatever your preference, be it Soap, Sitcom, Drama, or Reality TV. I deal with reality during the day. When I watch TV it's meant to be pure escapism.

[Dean Winchester]

I have never been a big fan of daytime soaps (mainly because I don't have the patience to be obligated to watch every day, and if I miss one, I'm out of luck), but I have always been a fan of prime-time shows that use the soap formula, yet really aren't soaps. You could argue that Buffy was a prime-time soap to an extent, because you had to see every episode in order because of all the continuing plotlines and some of the romantic triangles. Even Sex And The City morphed into a soap in it's latter seasons. And Desperate Housewives absolutely. I enjoy those types of shows, even tho I know I'd be more able to watch a show like General Hospital if it only aired once a week instead of 5 times, mainly because with the prime-time shows, there's always reruns and DVD's, and Dark Shadows is the only daytime soap as of yet they've actually DVD-ized as of yet, and that only ran 5 years compared to 40 like some have.

Passions is one I know I would be interested in, if only I wasn't obligated to having to watch it every day.

[JT]

Yeah, but, sitcoms are, well.... entertaining.
And who the hell are you!? The one person who decides what is entertaining and what is not?

Quite frankly, two years ago, I'd say that I prefer sitcoms over soaps. Now, the tables have definitely changed for me.

Soaps are VERY entertaining, and there are and have been millions of people who think that. They are one of the longest-running forms of broadcast entertainment, dating back to 1933 with Painted Dreams on WGN radio.

And honestly, what do you even know about soap operas? Sure, you probably hear about the outlandish plots that some have (some, definitely not all), but have you even taken the time to try one out? I'm tired of people joking with their tired stereotypes of what soaps are without actually watching one.

And Desperate Housewives IS a soap opera, according to its creator and to the network that airs it. If watching a soap opera screws up your reputation in some kind of way, I suggest you stop watching DH because it is clearly a primetime soap and has been since the day Marc Cherry started to outline it.

I really don't want to even say anything for fear of saying something that I'll regret, resulting in an argument.

[JT]

I have never been a big fan of daytime soaps (mainly because I don't have the patience to be obligated to watch every day, and if I miss one, I'm out of luck), but I have always been a fan of prime-time shows that use the soap formula, yet really aren't soaps. You could argue that Buffy was a prime-time soap to an extent, because you had to see every episode in order because of all the continuing plotlines and some of the romantic triangles. Even Sex And The City morphed into a soap in it's latter seasons. And Desperate Housewives absolutely. I enjoy those types of shows, even tho I know I'd be more able to watch a show like General Hospital if it only aired once a week instead of 5 times, mainly because with the prime-time shows, there's always reruns and DVD's, and Dark Shadows is the only daytime soap as of yet they've actually DVD-ized as of yet, and that only ran 5 years compared to 40 like some have.

Passions is one I know I would be interested in, if only I wasn't obligated to having to watch it every day.
Who says that you have to watch every single episode of a soap to "know what's going on"? There are hundreds of sites that do recaps of every episode, one of the biggest being www.soapcentral.com. It's ludicrous that people still use that "I don't have time to watch everything" excuse. People, watch a soap for at least a week and then decide if you want to continue or not. You don't have to be poised at your TV every Monday through Friday during the daytime hours for it all to make since. And when you do watch, don't go out buying boxes of Kleenex either.And please be aware that you don't have to do housework while watching...

[Dean Winchester]

Who says that you have to watch every single episode of a soap to "know what's going on"? There are hundreds of sites that do recaps of every episode, one of the biggest being www.soapcentral.com. It's ludicrous that people still use that "I don't have time to watch everything" excuse. People, watch a soap for at least a week and then decide if you want to continue or not. You don't have to be poised at your TV every Monday through Friday during the daytime hours for it all to make since. And when you do watch, don't go out buying boxes of Kleenex either.And please be aware that you don't have to do housework while watching...

but wouldn't you hate missing an episode of your favorite show? I know that I do. Plus, one thing with a lot of tv shows I like is that the second time you see the episode, you pick up a lot of things you didn't the first time around. I noticed a ton of things when ABC repeats DH episodes that I didn't the first time, and even picked up a lot of foreshadowing and the sort that I didn't get the first time around, but now I do get since I've seen the episodes that followed it.

[Brent88]

but wouldn't you hate missing an episode of your favorite show? I know that I do. Plus, one thing with a lot of tv shows I like is that the second time you see the episode, you pick up a lot of things you didn't the first time around. I noticed a ton of things when ABC repeats DH episodes that I didn't the first time, and even picked up a lot of foreshadowing and the sort that I didn't get the first time around, but now I do get since I've seen the episodes that followed it.

Yep... I sorta picked up DH in the middle of the season(when Mrs. Huber was killed). Pretty much all the plots didn't make sense because I hadn't been watching. Now everything makes perfect sense that I have caught repeats, recaps, transcripts, and pictures from a handful of episodes I still haven't seen(back in October).

[barwars]

And who the hell are you!? The one person who decides what is entertaining and what is not?

This is probably a bad time to say yes.


And honestly, what do you even know about soap operas? Sure, you probably hear about the outlandish plots that some have (some, definitely not all), but have you even taken the time to try one out? I'm tired of people joking with their tired stereotypes of what soaps are without actually watching one.

Actually, yes, I have. Both my mother and brother are fans of All My Children. I'm not sure of character names, but I know a minor outline of it. Susan Lucci plays Erica Kane, mother of Bianca and some other girl, I don't know her name, but she's a bitch. A few years ago this lady died in a plane crash, but her baby was saved. A while back she returned -- and just recently her husband died (but I think he died FOR REAL). There's an old guy with an evil twin. And an old lady with red hair with a voice almost as annoying as The Nanny's.

If AMC were converted into a weekly series, I may tune in. I would much rather see the writing of 5 episodes be taken into writing one GREAT weekly episode.


And Desperate Housewives IS a soap opera, according to its creator and to the network that airs it. If watching a soap opera screws up your reputation in some kind of way, I suggest you stop watching DH because it is clearly a primetime soap and has been since the day Marc Cherry started to outline it.

Since when do you become the person who decides what I watch??
Desperate Housewives can be a soap all it wants, it can be a comedy all it wants.... as long as it's half as good as it's been -- I'll be watching every single episode.

[JT]

This is probably a bad time to say yes.
Actually, yes, I have. Both my mother and brother are fans of All My Children. I'm not sure of character names, but I know a minor outline of it. Susan Lucci plays Erica Kane, mother of Bianca and some other girl, I don't know her name, but she's a bitch. A few years ago this lady died in a plane crash, but her baby was saved. A while back she returned -- and just recently her husband died (but I think he died FOR REAL). There's an old guy with an evil twin. And an old lady with red hair with a voice almost as annoying as The Nanny's.
That's very good, actually. You totally shut me up there. Just a nitpick, though, th old guy's twin isn't evil, as a matter of fact, he's a VERY naive person.

If AMC were converted into a weekly series, I may tune in. I would much rather see the writing of 5 episodes be taken into writing one GREAT weekly episode.
That's be interesting, but I think AMC's writing is great as it is. Well, not great or stellar, but it is very enjoyable, IMO.



Since when do you become the person who decides what I watch??
Desperate Housewives can be a soap all it wants, it can be a comedy all it wants.... as long as it's half as good as it's been -- I'll be watching every single episode.

I'm not deciding what you should watch. I was making a slight suggestion.

[barwars]

Just a nitpick, though, the old guy's twin isn't evil, as a matter of fact, he's a VERY naive person.

Ohh, ok.... I always just went with good and evil, because one always seemed meaner than the other.


That's be interesting, but I think AMC's writing is great as it is. Well, not great or stellar, but it is very enjoyable, IMO.

Or how about -- ABC takes their weekly soap operas, crams everything from the 5 days into one hour long episode -- and airs them Saturday nights. They would still air daily, but casual fans can get all the information in shorter time period.


I'm not deciding what you should watch. I was making a slight suggestion.

I understand, it was all in good fun. Or maybe not.... you decide.



All this talking of soap operas got me thinking.... they should make a comedy that airs five days a week.

[vashti1999]

All this talking of soap operas got me thinking.... they should make a comedy that airs five days a week.

You mean like Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman? (Old show, don't know if you know it.)

[barwars]

You mean like Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman? (Old show, don't know if you know it.)

Wasn't that on the TVLand Kitschen??

It was alright, but it only ran for a few seasons and didn't end up making a lot more episodes than most sitcoms.

[Dean Winchester]

Wasn't that on the TVLand Kitschen??

It was alright, but it only ran for a few seasons and didn't end up making a lot more episodes than most sitcoms.

well, it had some 300 episodes, not too many sitcoms have gone that far, I can only think of The Simpsons

[barwars]

well, it had some 300 episodes, not too many sitcoms have gone that far, I can only think of The Simpsons

Just imagine if it had gone on for 10 or 15 years.... there'd be thousands of episodes.

[JT]

Sorta like...I don't know....a soap opera maybe? ;) Just messing with ya.

And that idea about ABC making recaps of their shows to air weekly in primetime actually makes a LOT of sense. Really it does, because if they tried hard enough, they could even get interviews of the stars etc.

And really, about the twins on AMC, you were right, sorta. Adam Chandler is more of a major character than his brother Stuart, though Adam is the "evil" one. I just needed to have SOMETHING on my side LOL. People like me never go down with a fight.