Ouch! Right in the place!

[shocolah]

I can't believe Debra socked to Raymond where it counted! I think that was a TV first. This wasn't a rerun, was it? Anyway, I thought it was hysterical !

[Chocoholic]

It was a new episode, and yes, it was funny when Debra socked Ray in the nuts http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif

[Christine0079]

I swear I think she really hit it because when he got up he looked like he was about to cry ( or maybe he was just acting).

[Stephen Lesosky]

I thought last nights episode was disgusting. Anyone that condones or finds humour in sexual violence of domestic violence is a sad exuse for a human being - what kind of message is that? Or is it only unacceptable when perpetrated on a woman? By the wayt ... to the sick ones that thought that was funny - I notice you didn't have the courage to attach your name.

[shocolah]

It's TV. It's humor. It's not real life.
Don't take it so seriously. I'd hardly call
it violent. And so what if we don't use our
real names-what difference does it make?
Maybe you should stick to Full House reruns or Leave it to Beaver. I don't think anyone who saw humor in it are necessarily sick.

[Christine0079]

Umm I thought it was funny and BTW my name is on there. Maybe you don't find things funny because you don't have common sense to know it is a television show.

[Stephen Lesosky]

MTM fan is your name because you lack that integrity to display your name when you know you have said something immoral. That is a typical cowards response. And no, it's not just a tv show - people are affected by the onslought of what they see in many ways. I am a survivor of violent sexual abuse as a child at the hands of one of my aunts and I can tell you that I, and the millions of others that see that sort of crap, experience tormenting flashbacks. It also has a desensitizing effect on people like you - really think about what you have written and tell everyone whether you would think it would be funny if he elbowed her breasts and she fell to the ground in pain. Would you laugh at that?

[Christine0079]

If something that bad happened to you and you have flashbacks when you saw that than why are you talking about it? BTW my name is Christina Stamato I live in Philadelphia PA. Happy there, skippy?

[Stephen Lesosky]

Why shouln't I talk about. Maybe talking about it helps prevent it from happening to others. But as long as there is exposure that makes light of it - it will continue. You didn't answer my quetion Chritine - would you find sexual violence and domestic violence funny if perpetrated on a woman? I think not - neither would I. There is a serious double standard and it is affecting society. Is that the type of society you would want your son/daughter to grow up in. I would hope not. Neither do I. We are ridding ourselves of racism and sexism by no longer finding humour in it because it is not funny. Yet you cannot see that the same to be true with sexual and domestic violence - or is it that you don't see it as that because it is perpetrated on a man? The reason I wanted to know your names was to see if you were a woman ... I was right. And my name is not skippy Christine it is Stephen. Judging by your language you must be quite young.

[Christine0079]

Again, I'm sorry about what was done to you but bringing it up on a message board post makes no sense. This is a board about ELR not "Stephen's childhood experiences". And I hate to keep repeating myself but this is television. Patricia didn't actually hit Ray there. And I wasn't laughing at the fact that she hit him in the crotch but rather the way he reacted to it. She could have slapped his hand and if he reacted to it the same way I would have found it hilarious. And if my age is a problem for you then don't reply.

[Stephen Lesosky]

Christina, I guess it comes with the territory. As I have said, I cannot imagine finding humour in sexual/domestic violence. We have begun to rid ourselves of sexism/racism by not finding humour in them and by seeing them as serious issues. I, and the millions of others that have gone through what I have see sexual/domestic violence in no different light. I do not want you/me/our children to grow up in a society that finds humour in any of the above. Based on your last addition I have obviously misinterpreted you. I appologize for that as well as the comment regarding your age. It is fortunate for you that this sort of imagery has little effect other than to further desensitize you to these issues. tv does have a very strong impact on society in many ways. I find it sad that there is such a double standard existing. sincerely Stephen.

[Stephen Lesosky]

By the way, whoever Shocolah and Wings Fan are ... you both have serious moral issues to consider. I would guarantee that neither of you have the courage or integrity to divulge your names. People like you get onto a forum like this and express your sickening viewpoints ... which you never would in a group of people because lack courage in open light ... but will here because you know that (just like a rat) you can do as you wish and hide in the dark. Whoever WingsFan is - I cannot imagine talking about a woman being sexually violated the way you did with this scene 'It was funny when Debra socked him in the nuts' ... try to imagine typing in 'It was funny when Raymon kicked her ****' - would you ever consider that - no. Niether would I ... but then again we would never see that (and I'm glad) because sexual violence towards women is unacceptable - right? You have a great deal of growing to do. Why don't you email your name so that atleast I have some respect for you as I do wiht Christina ... or is your views so low on you morality that you can't. To be honest - you are the lowest of the responents.

[Cop7]

Whoever thought that episode is hilarious is not sick. That wasn't domestic violence all she did was elbow him to be quiet she didn't me to hurt him. Its not like she was beating him up. As for people not using their names. Weren't you ever tought not to use your real name on the internet, for safety reasons. If you hate ELR so much what are you doing on an ELR message board

[shocolah]

Stephen, I'm sorry you had to experience what you did and I'm sorry I ever posted this topic. Had I known that someone would find such offense to it, I never would have posted it. As for posting my real name-I'm not going to do it-think what you will. I don't think abuse or violence is funny at all in real life. I know you probably don't respect me or anyone who won't post their real name-that's fine. I'll stick with the 95 percent of the others out there that don't do it either. More than anything, I was shocked by what happened which caused me to laugh. If I see the episode again, I doubt that I'll think it's funny.

[This message has been edited by shocolah (edited 11-09-2001).]

[Stephen Lesosky]

Shocolah, I do have respect for you based on your last addition. I too am sorry for the very many that experience that. not just myself. anyway, i appreciate the words.
sincerely,
Stephen

[Dr. John Becker]

bump

[Brian Damage]

Why did you bump this?

[Dr. John Becker]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Why did you bump this?



With all the pro and anti-Debra talk on here lately, I thought this would make for some interesting discussion.

[Brian Damage]

ok I see. That was a hysterical scene when Ray got slapped in the boys area :lol:

[Dr. John Becker]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
ok I see. That was a hysterical scene when Ray got slapped in the boys area :lol:


I've never seen it. What episode was it in?

[Brian Damage]

Hold on, I'll check

[Brian Damage]

The episode was called "Jealous Robert" in season 6.

[Dr. John Becker]

Originally posted by Brian Damage
The episode was called "Jealous Robert" in season 6.


Thanks for taking the time to check. I'll keep a look out for it in reruns.

[Brian Damage]

no problem :wave:

[Justfuhgetaboutit]

Originally posted by Sideshow Kristen
It was a new episode, and yes, it was funny when Debra socked Ray in the nuts http://www.sitcomsonline.com/ubb/wink.gif O yea.......I remember that episode.Thats the one were he was standing behind her then she elbowed him in the balls while she was sitting in the chair right? I remember that part.I think she did it because he wouldn't shut up or something.No wait actually I saw that episode again just a couple of nights ago.That was the one where Debra and Marie had Gianni go out with Amy.Then Debra was trying to talk to Robert and Ray kept trying to tell Robert that her and Marie were in on it so thats when she elbowed him in the balls cause he wouldn't shut up.