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dawsongirl

06-30-2004, 09:34 PM

Grades don't mean squat. That's just a measuring tool teachers use to separate their hard work from their easy work.

A student could be really intelligent, but is bored with the material or just doesn't understand it no matter what they're taught. Just because they got a D doesn't mean they're dumb.

I got straight A's in HS in math (a real miracle, BTW). But I got into calculus, and no matter how much I studied, I could NOT get it to make sense and I ended up with a D-.

TheGreatPretender

06-30-2004, 09:49 PM

im just getting so sick of teachers and parents saying only SMART kids are in the honor society and only SMART kids get As and Bs. i know a kid who gets Ds and is very smart. well at least i think so.

Brent88

06-30-2004, 10:07 PM

Defintely Number 2. Once you get out of high school(or college) grades mean NOTHING, ZERO.

I am Him

06-30-2004, 11:02 PM

Intelligence is based on a person's ability to think and solve problems. Someone that can use information to figure things out is intelligent.

Kay Scarpetta

06-30-2004, 11:19 PM

Grades piss me off. They mean absolutely nothing. This past quarter I got all C's. Does that mean I'm dumb? No. It ment I had a hard time in school and life these past few months. Everyone looks at my report card and says "C's!! What happened to you?! We thought you used to be smart?!" Yeah.. real self-confidence booster, right there.

Brent88

06-30-2004, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Kaffeine Kay
Grades piss me off. They mean absolutely nothing. This past quarter I got all C's. Does that mean I'm dumb? No. It ment I had a hard time in school and life these past few months. Everyone looks at my report card and says "C's!! What happened to you?! We thought you used to be smart?!" Yeah.. real self-confidence booster, right there.

I'm the same way. I got A's and B's all through Elementary School. When 6th Grade started, my grades started to go down. I actually failed math in 7th and 8th grade(7th grade, the teacher sucked, 8th grade it was the first class of the day so I frequently slept, LOL). I came close to failing other subjects in 8th grade too. I don't know what happened this year(this was 2001-2002, I got distracted big time by September 11th and the events following that, that's what really started my interest in politics and world events).

EmoJoe

06-30-2004, 11:26 PM

Second one- out of this list

EmoJoe

06-30-2004, 11:29 PM

Grades annoy me, too. I usually get As and Bs on my tests, but this time i didnt. This is unfair:

I got an F on a test but I was apsent for two weeks. It was a make-up test, and the teacher never told me that I was taking it, so I coulnt study. And I didnt even finish the test yet! So:
I was apesnt for two weeks
I had no idea I was talking the test
I didnt even finish the test

Isnt this unfair?

David

07-01-2004, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Kaffeine Kay
Grades piss me off. They mean absolutely nothing. This past quarter I got all C's. Does that mean I'm dumb? No. It ment I had a hard time in school and life these past few months. Everyone looks at my report card and says "C's!! What happened to you?! We thought you used to be smart?!" Yeah.. real self-confidence booster, right there. Ah I hate it when people tell me that. My grades weren't bad this year, but they weren't amazing either. I hate it when teachers make it impossible to make an A.

But about the topic, I agree with this statement by I Am Him
Intelligence is based on a person's ability to think and solve problems. Some that can use information to figure things out is intelligent.

robyrob

07-01-2004, 07:24 AM

intelligence is a myth, you're better off holding out for dumb luck

Chambers

07-01-2004, 08:40 AM

My psychology professor explained intelligence in a really simple way that makes a lot of sense. Intelligence is one's ability to survive. That way, any animal that hasn't become extinct is just as intelligent as the next one. Chimps are no more intelligent than ants. The issue is how well you survive in your environment - you can interpret that literally or figuratively.

I am Him

07-01-2004, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by DianeDiane
Intelligence is one's ability to survive. That way, any animal that hasn't become extinct is just as intelligent as the next one.

No animal survives. All animals die. The survival of a species has little or nothing to do with the intelligence of individual animals within that species.

Furthurmore, animals don't think. They have "pre-programmed" instincts. They are born knowing what to do. That's not intelligence.

*Bela Lugosi*

07-01-2004, 11:06 AM

Furthurmore, animals don't think. They have "pre-programmed" instincts. They are born knowing what to do. That's not intelligence.

Oh, bull! They must have got it somewhere to begin with. There more intelligent than you think.

TheGreatPretender

07-01-2004, 12:32 PM

im really glad u all agree with me :). another thing i wanna say is most of the people who get good grades in my school cheat!! it makes me sick whenever the teacher praises their "good work" :o

EmoJoe

07-01-2004, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by skyhigh25789
im really glad u all agree with me :). another thing i wanna say is most of the people who get good grades cheat!!

Well, thats not true. I get good grades, and I dont cheat

EmoJoe

07-01-2004, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by skyhigh25789
it makes me sick whenever the teacher praises their "good work" :o

Well, thats kind of mean, its more improtant what you learn than what grades you get, but youre treating smart kids as some sort of devil. Most kids who get good grades dont cheat.

*Bela Lugosi*

07-01-2004, 12:52 PM

You must study a lot then. Usually, kids who study a lot, don't have much a life. I'm not saying that about you, but I had a lot of friends, who didn't want to go to big parties like I did, because they wanted to stay at home and study.

TheGreatPretender

07-01-2004, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Rurry007
Well, thats kind of mean, its more improtant what you learn than what grades you get, but youre treating smart kids as some sort of devil. Most kids who get good grades dont cheat.

i didnt mean it that way. i dont know u or ur school. i meant MY school.

EmoJoe

07-01-2004, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by *Bela Lugosi*
You must study a lot then. Usually, kids who study a lot, don't have much a life.

AreJust because some kids study a lot doesnt mean that they have no life. Some kids may drop out on big parties REALLY wanna get good grades, but not me.

EmoJoe

07-01-2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by skyhigh25789
i didnt mean it that way. i dont know u or ur school. i meant MY school.

OK sorry

~Teddybear~

07-01-2004, 01:56 PM

School and grades are the last of what intelligence is based on...It's based on exploring the world, and seeing things for yourself instead of listening to other people tell you things and reading it out of a book. For instance, alot of elderly African Americans today never went to school, so they can't read or write. But I bet they know more about slavery and the civil rights movement than anyone else, even if we do read all the books they are about it. Why? because they were actually there, they've experienced it...they have street smarts..

EmoJoe

07-01-2004, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by ~Teddybear~
School and grades are the last of what intelligence is based on...It's based on exploring the world, and seeing things for yourself instead of listening to other people tell you things and reading it out of a book. For instance, alot of elderly African Americans today never went to school, so they can't read or write. But I bet they know more about slavery and the civil rights movement than anyone else, even if we do read all the books they are about it. Why? because they were actually there, they've experienced it...they have street smarts..

But isnt it kinda important to learn how to read? Like, if your driving a car, and there a stop sign, but you dont know how to read, tou can crash into a car.

~Teddybear~

07-01-2004, 02:18 PM

But isnt it kinda important to learn how to read? Like, if your driving a car, and there a stop sign, but you dont know how to read, tou can crash into a car.

Of course reading is important. But my point is that school doesn't tell you everything, and the people who actually experienced something up close have more knowledge of it than those who don't.

vienna waits

07-01-2004, 03:26 PM

Intelligence might be based on how much you learn, but if a school wants to determine who's intelligent, they're going to base it on your grades. How many people have gotten an A on a final just because the teacher knew that they learned a lot? Teachers have to have some way comparing one student to the other, and a grading system is the way it's done. Otherwise, how would colleges decide who to accept? Also, getting good grades speaks about a student's desire and will.

Seth

07-01-2004, 03:32 PM

Grades, usually, are based on homework. You can't have a good grade, if you don't do the homework. Why do the homework, when you already KNOW the material? (I'm a FIRM opponent of busywork.)

Dangit, if I already know how to do something, I'm not going to waste MY time doing it over agaiin, when there ARE better things I could be doing with my time

The problem with a lot of schools, and the reason that you'll tend to find a number of intelligent students in the middle of the class overall ranks, is that the teachers, due to a lack of funding for programs for gifted students, are forced to teach the average students and intelligent students at the same time. Obviously, if the teacher tries to teach at the level of the intelligent students, the average ones will get lost, and will suffer. So, the teacher HAS to play to the weaker links, leaving the smarter students to sit around, and pretend they're doing something.

Did I mention I hate public schools

Seth

07-01-2004, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Idol Fanatic
Intelligence might be based on how much you learn, but if a school wants to determine who's intelligent, they're going to base it on your grades. How many people have gotten an A on a final just because the teacher knew that they learned a lot? Teachers have to have some way comparing one student to the other, and a grading system is the way it's done. Otherwise, how would colleges decide who to accept? Also, getting good grades speaks about a student's desire and will.

Yes, it's the system they use, but it's a HORRIBLY, HORRIBLY flawed system. While homework is a valuable and essential tool for learning a new concept, if you already know the material, it's a pointless waste of time.

And, as for the desire and will part: Some people just have different attitues about things like homework. A good friend of mine, equal intelligence as myself, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAAAAAAAYS had every last shred of his homework done, whether he knew the subject or not. I, knowing pretty much the same things on the same subjects, would frequently not do assignments if I already knew the material in question. To me, it just seems pointless to have someone practice doing something they already know quite well.

I LOVED the way that one of the 2 math teachers I had in HS did grades. Based SOLELY on TEsts/Quizzes. Homework was irrelevant. If you knew how to do the problems, fine. Don't do the homework, take the test, Bang. If you don't know the material, do the work, then take the test. Not penalizing one student for already knowing the material.

The grading system of public schools tends to be weighted in favor of the average, knows some but not a WHOLE lot student. And if you fall on either one of the two extremes, you tend to have a harder time.

Brent88

07-01-2004, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by Seth Thrasher
Grades, usually, are based on homework. You can't have a good grade, if you don't do the homework. Why do the homework, when you already KNOW the material? (I'm a FIRM opponent of busywork.)

Dangit, if I already know how to do something, I'm not going to waste MY time doing it over agaiin, when there ARE better things I could be doing with my time

The problem with a lot of schools, and the reason that you'll tend to find a number of intelligent students in the middle of the class overall ranks, is that the teachers, due to a lack of funding for programs for gifted students, are forced to teach the average students and intelligent students at the same time. Obviously, if the teacher tries to teach at the level of the intelligent students, the average ones will get lost, and will suffer. So, the teacher HAS to play to the weaker links, leaving the smarter students to sit around, and pretend they're doing something.

Did I mention I hate public schools

I hate busy work too... the school year is really too long. I need more than two hands to count the number of days where we just watched a movie or did something like a crossword puzzle or something not for a grade. It was so annoying. I was thinking "Gee, I could do this at home" :crazy:

*Bela Lugosi*

07-01-2004, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Brent88
I hate busy work too... the school year is really too long. I need more than two hands to count the number of days where we just watched a movie or did something like a crossword puzzle or something not for a grade. It was so annoying. I was thinking "Gee, I could do this at home" :crazy:

I know, we had those too, pretty rediculous!

Czas na Zywiec

07-01-2004, 04:17 PM

Being able to pull off having multiple screen names on here and not getting caught.

*Bela Lugosi*

07-01-2004, 04:33 PM

You're harassing me again! I will have to report you!

vienna waits

07-01-2004, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Seth Thrasher
Yes, it's the system they use, but it's a HORRIBLY, HORRIBLY flawed system. While homework is a valuable and essential tool for learning a new concept, if you already know the material, it's a pointless waste of time.

And, as for the desire and will part: Some people just have different attitues about things like homework. A good friend of mine, equal intelligence as myself, ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAAAAAAAYS had every last shred of his homework done, whether he knew the subject or not. I, knowing pretty much the same things on the same subjects, would frequently not do assignments if I already knew the material in question. To me, it just seems pointless to have someone practice doing something they already know quite well.

I LOVED the way that one of the 2 math teachers I had in HS did grades. Based SOLELY on TEsts/Quizzes. Homework was irrelevant. If you knew how to do the problems, fine. Don't do the homework, take the test, Bang. If you don't know the material, do the work, then take the test. Not penalizing one student for already knowing the material.

The grading system of public schools tends to be weighted in favor of the average, knows some but not a WHOLE lot student. And if you fall on either one of the two extremes, you tend to have a harder time.

Yeah I never had the problem of knowing everything that my homework was about so I guess that's why I have an incentive to do it.

vienna waits

07-01-2004, 06:18 PM

Penny Lane

07-01-2004, 08:18 PM

It all boils down to common sense in everyday life.
I don't claim to be very intelligent but my spelling skills are very good. Does that count? I have always considered spelling and good grammar to be a degree of intelligence. Also good manners and common courtesy.:D :happyface

TheGreatPretender

07-01-2004, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Penny Lane
It all boils down to common sense in everyday life.
I don't claim to be very intelligent but my spelling skills are very good. Does that count? I have always considered spelling and good grammar to be a degree of intelligence. Also good manners and common courtesy.:D :happyface

i agree. i also wanna say that i don't have anything against good grades or students who get them. i've been trying to get good grades for all the years i have been in school. it is just that all the teachers have been saying in my school that all kids who don't make "decent" grades aren't smart. and it makes me wanna hurl.

dawsongirl

07-02-2004, 01:37 AM

dawsongirl

07-02-2004, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Penny Lane
It all boils down to common sense in everyday life.
I don't claim to be very intelligent but my spelling skills are very good. Does that count? I have always considered spelling and good grammar to be a degree of intelligence. Also good manners and common courtesy.:D :happyface

Me too. My boss likes to say don't instead of doesn't, and I stand there and think, You sound like a moron! :lol:

I also have to add...COMMON SENSE. If you have enough common sense to make it in the world, you're intelligent. This is one reason I question the intelligence of my drivers I encounter. :mad:

Chambers

07-02-2004, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by I am Him
No animal survives. All animals die. The survival of a species has little or nothing to do with the intelligence of individual animals within that species.

Furthurmore, animals don't think. They have "pre-programmed" instincts. They are born knowing what to do. That's not intelligence.

What you consider to be our ability to "think" is just as much an evolved trait as a fish's ability to breathe under water. Both happened in order to ensure our survival - we are, therefore, "pre-programmed" to think. Does that make thinking any more special than breathing?

What you're saying is the conventional view of intelligence. The point is that there is an unlimited amount of ways for determining intelligence. So if you're going to say someone is dumb or smart, you first have to give the context. Otherwise, intelligence is an irrelevant notion. So it is possible to say that the survival of a species is a sign of intelligence. I'm not talking about brain function or solving problems - that's the conventional view. Intelligence is an arbitrary concept. For example, even in the realm of human intelligence, people recognize several different kinds of intelligence: musical, verbal, spacial etc. You can measure intelligence in a whole lot of different ways. That's my point.

"Think outside the box" ;)

robyrob

07-02-2004, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by I am Him
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Furthurmore, animals don't think. They have "pre-programmed" instincts. They are born knowing what to do. That's not intelligence.
nonsense; if that were so, explain how my cat figured out how to jump up and swing on the doorknob to get out of a room - it surely isn't instinct

if you paid a little attention to them instead of treating them like furniture, you'd notice how intelligent animals really are.